Which scans are best to detect lobular

intheclub
intheclub Member Posts: 46

I have been reading many different stories about scans and the difficulty in detecting lobular moving elsewhere than breasts.  I know MRI are the "gold standard" but what about CT Scans and Pet scans, shoudl I be insisting on one over the other. 

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  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited June 2013

    Hi Intheclub,



    The way I understand it it is difficult to spot IN the breasts. If there are metastases they show up in the bones or liver or other organs just like ductal metastases do on scans.

  • intheclub
    intheclub Member Posts: 46
    edited June 2013

    Thank you, I was querying the type of scans rather than the recurrence sites, I'm a bit confused about the different scans because some people say the scans don't work on their lobular cancer especially in the digestive tract and in lots of cases all the scans showed nothing but once they did an endoscopy it showed up.  I guess I'm just trying to get my head around the process we should insist on even when scans come back negative but we feel like something is not right.  Thanks again.

  • jnprsn
    jnprsn Member Posts: 151
    edited July 2013

    Hi intheclub, I had my own frustration from scans.  My breast ultrasound measured my tumor at 4 cm.  I was told that the most accurate measurement is the Breast MRI.  My Breast MRI measured it at 7 cm!  As you know we are talking about 2 different stages here and this news probably took about 10 years off of my life.  

    Post surgery, pathology showed the true size of my tumor was 4.8!  

    A CT was done on me also.  All sorts of things lit up (thyroid, fluid over my heart, something on lung) that were really of no concern.  Had a thyroid ultrasound which showed only a nodule.  Was told to come back in 6 months to recheck on all.  

    My dad just went through similar issues.  His Pet scan showed lymph nodes lighting up.  Had them biopsied.  Negative thank God.

    So, we went through multiple scares by putting our faith in the scans.  The biopsies unfortunately show the positive or negative.

  • intheclub
    intheclub Member Posts: 46
    edited July 2013

    Many thanks for your reply, I am getting a PET/CT Scan soon, and the oncologist talked about the exact same thing you raise, that the downside is that they can show up all manner of things that may be nothing to worry about but which will need to be investigated or followed up.  Because lobular is just so difficult to see/read on the scans I am taking the view that I would rather go with the scans since I seem to have so many aches and pains - it may turn out that its all due to zoladex and tamoxifen, but because they are new  just feel a scan is a good first step.  Thank you again.

  • Lifeim-init
    Lifeim-init Member Posts: 6
    edited July 2013

    My Mammogram and breast ultrasound diagnosed my tumor as 0.7 cm so lumpectomy scheduled, awoke to find the had closed me up as they couldn't get clear margins due to multiple tumors. Largest tumor was 4.5 cm, breast MRI done which accurately showed remaining landscape and final surgery booked for a week later to do mastectomy.



    This was last November, I have opted to have a breast MRI this coming November instead of the mammogram/ultrasound as I want to know I am still clear before I move to the every two year Breast MRI routine.



    I've also had PET scan as my first oncologist (who I sacked) announced within two minutes of meeting me that my cancer had progressed to my neck. This turned out to be post operative swelling as the 8 procedures over 10 days was within 10 days post op (so no wonder my lymph nodes were swollen, they matched everything else at that time). :)

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited July 2013

    Welcome to BCO Lifeim! What a story with your oncologist. That is a horrible experience. (Good choice to sack him/her! )Wink

  • Apalmat1
    Apalmat1 Member Posts: 3
    edited April 2017

    lobular breast cancer does not uptake the glucose used for the PET scans and they also can pick up inflammation in the body so cannot be used alone as a diagnostic tool for BC.

    MRIs are the best for picking up Metastatic areas but you have to wait until symptoms show up and then scan the area in question. You cannot just randomly scan the whole body with MRI .

    CTs with contrast are the best for Lobular, but there is no scan that is perfect . Lots can Be missed with lobular as it grows in single file fashion instead of forming nodules. It also is more frequent to metastasize to within the peritoneal space than other types.




  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited April 2017

    Apalmat's comments about lobular breast cancer need to be qualified with the word "sometimes". For me, PET/CT has been extremely useful and accurate, and my onc considers them superior to CT with contrast. Also, lobular can indeed form palpable masses.

  • hlya
    hlya Member Posts: 484
    edited April 2017

    My ILC wasn't shown up on mammogram, but shown up on Ultrasound and MR

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited April 2017

    Hi everyone. I had IDC and ILC. The ILC did not show up on mammo or u/s, only the MRI. So if I didn't have IDC the ILC would probably still be there!

  • Lexicoe
    Lexicoe Member Posts: 66
    edited April 2017

    I've seen a research study that says a FAST MRI protocol (just about 7 minutes!) can be as effective at screening for breast cancer as the typical long one.

    This is great from both a cost perspectiveand for those of us who have trouble tolerating the traditional long ones because of claustrophobia.

    Has anyone actually had one of these FAST MRIs? I've been looking to see if any place near me offers it, but haven't had much luck.

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