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  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited June 2013

    I live about 500m from Lake Ontario in Toronto -- in a neighbourhood where the local running clubs don't have to go far for hills training - they just go up one street and down the next. Normally, I run as much flat as I can, along the boardwalk or the streets parallel to it. But today, for a "different" route, I ran away from the lake, a serious killer uphill slope for the first 1K, downhill in the second, and then mostly flat except uphill for the last block to home, for just over 5K, and I did it in 35 minutes! Chipping away at it, from my peak of 39 for 5K, and heading back, I hope, to my best of just under 30. I will never be fast, but darnit, I will be faster than this! My average HR was 164, and peak 180, but I had some twinges so I did take some walk and cough breaks just to settle down.

    I'm an academic, so travel depends on what specifically I choose to do and what I can persuade people to grant me money for. I won't apologize for enjoying it, but I'm really not just travelling to have interesting Nike+ maps!

    Good weekend runs, everyone! 

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited June 2013

    Been off to a family reunion the past few days.  Near Yosemite Park in California.   Up near the big Sequoia trees.  Its a hot spell, temps in the 90s even tho its over 5000 feet elevation.  Yesterday I had a nice swim in Shaver Lake.  The weather was hot but the lake was cold!  Took a few minutes to get into the water, but once in it was ok.  Then this morning I just headed out for a run through the forest on a road I had never traveled.  It was beautiful, the huge trees, the birds and little animals.  I ran uphill for about 30 minutes, and then enjoyed a much easier run back to where I started.  The crisp mountain air was great!   So....check in everyone....tell us about your runs. 

  • RunFree16
    RunFree16 Member Posts: 856
    edited June 2013

    Firstcall, I'm going to get some vicarious pleasure out of imagining your rave run.  That is a beautiful picture.

    I am getting frustrated about my runs because my old injury seems to be flaring back up when I get to about 1 1/2 or 2 miles.  It was a gastroc strain in summer 2011, for which I got lots of painful active release physical therapy.  That got me through the Disney marathon, slowly, in January 2012, but after resting, then running only very sporadically, for over a year, it does not seem to have healed.  And now, as I'm back to 3x/week and additional walking and elliptical, it seems to be worse.  It gets sore and tight after 15 minutes and doesn't get any worse or better, and it stays sore and tight for a couple of days.  I use the foam roller, then stretch a little.  I am not sure what else to do.  I can actually feel a tender, lumpy place on my calf, maybe a couple of spots, although the tightness can be centered in various places on the back of that leg. So my question is, does anyone have any experience curing/breaking up a stubborn muscle adhesion?  If I run more, and roll/stretch it a lot each time, might it get better, or is running more inevitably going to make it worse?  Do I need more PT or should I see an orthopedist? Or could something else be going on?  Any insights most appreciated. 

  • pat01
    pat01 Member Posts: 1,005
    edited July 2013

    Please add for me the Providence Color Run on October 20.  I have never done a color run before, but it sure does look fun.  Now to begin training again, I have really slacked off the last 6 weeks or so, and need to get back to a regular running routine.  C25K week 1 coming up!

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2013
  • RunFree16
    RunFree16 Member Posts: 856
    edited July 2013

    Wow indeed!  Good for her for talking about it openly.  I can understand why she kept it quiet for a while.  She must be young, too, shoot.

  • Dallas262
    Dallas262 Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2013

    Well, I was hoping for a good run this morning because of cooler temps.  It was probably about 69 (felt more like low 70s though).   Did 6 miles, but my legs just didn't want to work.  I felt like I was running through quicksand.  So frustrating!!!!  Yell  I'm about half way thru rads and they said the fatigue would set in.  Is that what this is or just a bad run?  Had to have a little pity party afterwards.  Guess 6 bad miles is better than 0 miles. 

  • ahdjdbcjdjdbkf
    ahdjdbcjdjdbkf Member Posts: 645
    edited July 2013

    Thanks, Sandpiper. I have an appt with my PS to get stitches out from my most recent health issue and am hoping to get back on the spinning bike to condition to start running again very soon. I think I need to do some walking and spinning and light weights for a few weeks. I'm really stiff and am scared to bounce my recently stitched up chest around too much. One reconstruction melt-down is enough for me for 2013. My boyfriend will definitely fight with me if I start pushing myself too quickly. He's none too fond of my emergency health issues anymore either. A good achievable goal for me is to be up to 3 miles again by the end of July.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2013

    I'm finding it funny that I did not even bother firing up the Nike+ to measure a brisk 4K walk I took yesterday. Like pffft walk, why log that? It'll bring down my average pace! Just looking back to the beginning when I was so pleased I "ran" 800 m in about 20 minutes! Hope everyone is staying cool and dry in their summer outings!

  • Tammy_M43
    Tammy_M43 Member Posts: 980
    edited July 2013

    Thanks for all these encouraging posts! I'm back to running...and still continuing my hip rehab exercises. Running now for 16 mins in a session and learning to balance on my hands and knees on an exercise ball....the exercise ball needs a little more work!

  • RunFree16
    RunFree16 Member Posts: 856
    edited July 2013

    Tammy M, can you give a little background (sorry if I missed it) about the exercise ball balancing?  What is it designed to do?  It's an intriguing exercise and sounds extremely difficult.

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited July 2013

    Hi you'll

    I just signed up for my first half marathon. so put meon the list. Richmond half marathon in nov. 16? I see someone else is one list. will send her a message. have pretty much no running expereience. started my "training" today. probably going to job/walk it.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2013

    Mid-Nov is plenty of time to train from non-runner to half, according to Galloway. 

    Check this pdf for beginners (this is for the Wine & Dine half the week before yours). (Other good tips in it besides the calendar.)

    No shame in jog/walking it either, but 18 weeks is enough to train to run it - just two weeknight runs and a long slow distance run on the weekends.

    Have fun!! 

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited July 2013

    Dallas262....I bet the rads took some wind out of your sails.....keep running, don't worry about speed, just keep up your routine....

  • Tammy_M43
    Tammy_M43 Member Posts: 980
    edited July 2013

    Run free, balancing on the exercise ball is for core stabilisation. Basically to strengthen my abs, back and pelvis so I have more stability when running :-)

  • RunFree16
    RunFree16 Member Posts: 856
    edited July 2013

    Thanks Tammy M, very interesting.  I should try it because my core is pretty wimpy.

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited July 2013

    I have questions for you'll runners.

    started my training sat-so sore.

    do you'll eat anything before your train? I like to go early in am before it heats up. usually just have peanut butter toast.

    I am training in my niehgborhood right now. its 2.4miles with 4 big hills. there are a few trails that are close by that are flat. should I do those instead? or does it really matter.

    Does running make a bakers cyst worse. got on e of those too. seems to be down at present. never had it drained or anything.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2013

    On eating, people are all over the place. Some people must run on an empty stomach. I need food. Before a half, I seriously would eat bagel and peanut butter, milk and/or yogurt, a banana, and water. (But then you stand at the starting line for an hour so you're not running with a full stomach or bladder.) When I hit an hour, I need to get into the Clif Shot Blox as well. As soon as I get to the finish line, I eat everything I am not allergic to, even things I despise. After the cold bathtub soak, I would go out to eat some more. For a half hour 5K outing, I would just have a normal diet, whatever I would have had at that point of the day. Peanut butter toast sounds good. I'd drink a glass of water or milk with it, but not a huge glass, and I would take water with me. I would be looking for a banana or chocolate milk when I was done as well.

    Usually the training programs suggest some days flat (especially the increasingly long runs on the weekend) and other days hilly. If you train on hills and your half marathon is flat, it will be a breeze for you. Personally, I don't seek out hills. I have very low aspirations as far as my pace improvement goes! Take care to increase your long run distance gradually, and not make a sharp increase week to week, or you will be at risk of a sports injury. Check the Galloway link I posted above, or google Hal Higdon programs for how to safely increase distance.

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited July 2013

    cold bathtub soak?

    do I have to wear those sleeves to prevent LE? I have some sleeves, no LE yet though. I guess I should. I see normal people wearing compression. I thnk they are crazy.

  • kcmanis
    kcmanis Member Posts: 14
    edited July 2013

    Hi,  I am about 6 weeks out from my last CMF treatment.  Underwent 8 sessions and did run throughout.  On my off weeks I would do about 25 miles (long run about 8).  On chemo weeks would only get about 11 miles in for the week.  Since my treatment, I cant seem to get back into the groove.  Pre-surgery, i was at about 50 miles a week.. averaging a 9:15-9:30pace.  Now I cant even get past a 6mile run and averaging 10-10:30 pace. I am trying to get to 25 miles a week and its very hard.  Has anyone else experienced this?  I have 4 weeks until my next surgery to do the exchange and will not be able to run for another 6 weeks.  I feel like i have no turn over on my legs and they are just dead weight.. 

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2013

    fredntan, if you get into a cold bathtub (you can leave your running clothes on - you have to wash them anyway. But take off the electronics!) for 20 minutes after your half, you will have much less discomfort the following few days. NOT a hot bath (voice of experience). A float in the pool can do the job also. Some put ice in the bathtub. That doesn't seem necessary. The cold tap in Florida or California (i.e., not even Canada-cold) is just fine. If you have pain at the finish line, a bag of ice from the medical tent to put immediately on the sore spot is a good idea. Cold is your friend.

    I don't run in LE sleeves - my LE is in my torso anyway - but I swear by compression tights. (I have CW-X. I feel like I have done a half hour of exercise just getting the damned things on.) They feel like I have someone pushing me. I think it is the reduction of the jiggle vibration allowing all of the energy to go into forward motion.

    After the cold bath, compression knee socks and a casual walk-about can help recovery along. Disney parks are full of people in knee socks after the half/full marathons.

    I came to the realization that runners do these weird things for a reason :-)

    kcmanis, I have been complaining about my pace since DIEP for a year. I really believe there is something about that long anaesthesia that affected my ability to exercise. I had no chemo or rads, so it's either the surgery or all in my head. My heart rate is maxed out at a slower pace on the ground, and there's no physical way I can go any faster. If I am walking, even briskly, rather than running, my heart rate is tolerable and legs feel fine and I can walk as long as my brain and stomach are willing to go, i.e., I would stop for boredom or hunger, but not due to any complaint of my legs. I cannot get any answers on this, and am still trying to figure it out, although I've been feeling better the last month or so - not just my HR but also my head is clearing up. So maybe whatever the fog is has run its course. (Until I mess with it and stop procrastinating on touch up surgery.)

    Quite a few people here did have the chemo and rads, so I am sure you will get some input from others there too.

  • LuvLuLu
    LuvLuLu Member Posts: 377
    edited July 2013

    Goldlining - I'm glad it wasn't just me re the anesthesia. My TRAM is coming up on a year this month and I felt foggy headed and weird for weeks after the anesthesia.  I was afraid I would NEVER get my head on straight again!  I had no chemo or rads either after the surgery.

    I think as runners we're so in tune with our bodies that the least little thing has us scratching out heads.  My pace slowed down, then picked up again, I have good days and bad and find lots of times the weather is an issue.  Other times there's no rhyme or reason, so I'm wondering if it's all (GULP) AGE RELATED!!!!  I think sometimes my (younger) running partner gets impatient with me because I just can't keep her pace and I think she feels I should just push harder. 

    KCmanis - don't be so hard on yourself, your body is going through a lot.  It will get better.Cool

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited July 2013

    Smilethanks, will soak in long tub after long runs. keep the tips coming.

  • ahdjdbcjdjdbkf
    ahdjdbcjdjdbkf Member Posts: 645
    edited July 2013

    Congrats on anyone giving running a go whether new to it or an old pro. After what we have all been through getting any motivation going isn't easy. I ran an hour on the treadmill yesterday. So happy. :-). It was a slow pace but I don't care. I also got in 3 hours indoor cycling between yesterday and today. All is not well with my reconstruction but I just had to do something or my lymphedema is bad, my digestion is nil, none of my clothes fit and I begin detatching from life with all the other family problems I have. Exhausted but about to get dressed and push myself to pick up my mom from her Alzheimer's home and take her to dinner. When I don't get her on time they feed her and it is too late.

  • CassDugan
    CassDugan Member Posts: 100
    edited July 2013

    Hee-Hee! I ran today for the first time since surgery!



    I had a partial mx in midMay and then SLNB in mid June. I've been walking every day, having a dog is good for keeping one active, but have been too sensitive for the jostling of a run, even in the tightest of my sports bras.



    I started rads yesterday. I got up this morning later than I'd like to get in a morning walk with the dog. I ended up running part of it, just to keep on time and still do the distance I wanted. Feeling ok since, too. Besides being plagued with deer flies and picking several ticks off each of us, we also saw a moose! We often see tracks but not always the animal.



    I'm looking forward to building my wind back up. My attitude, too. I'd forgotten how much better I feel if I can get in a morning run.

  • CassDugan
    CassDugan Member Posts: 100
    edited July 2013

    Also, I got back in time to hop on a woot deal. ZEMgear 360 Ninja for only 25. I love my VFF's and hope these will be just as comfortable but maybe go on a little easier and keep stuff out better.

  • firstcall
    firstcall Member Posts: 499
    edited July 2013

    Cass...good job.  Keep it up. 

    I have a good walk planned tomorrow.  Our church youth group is doing a 14 mile walk, and I volunteered to go along for medical support.  So I plan to start the day with a mile swim, and then meet up for the walk.  Should be a good day.

  • CassDugan
    CassDugan Member Posts: 100
    edited July 2013

    3 miles this morning, ran nearly two of them. Deerflies are a great incentive to move fast.

  • sandpiper1
    sandpiper1 Member Posts: 952
    edited September 2014
  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited July 2013

    Good tip, Cass! ;-D

    MousePlanet posted a nice "beginner tips" page today with links to Galloway, Higdon, and Bingham.

    http://www.mouseplanet.com/10419/runDisney_Road_Racing_Quick_Tips

    (The 2014 TinkerBell Half registration opened at noon on Tuesday (with passholders and such getting a head start) and by the end of Wednesday, it was at 95% sold out! I can't do it - it's just a week after the WDW weekend and I do have to work sometime! It's a great course - deserves its popularity.)

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