Starting Chemo July 2013

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  • Rambo50
    Rambo50 Member Posts: 140
    edited July 2013

    Thanks aaoaao!  I know, should NOT have watched it!  I don't do well with IVs either - small veins.  Hopefully I'll have the choice of being mostly "out of it" during the procedure.  My Daddy endured 4 rounds via IV before they decided to place a port - poor guy's arms looked horrible :(  I know they make it much easier for blood checks and delivery so...  Here we go!

  • Hannariggs
    Hannariggs Member Posts: 137
    edited July 2013

    Thanks aaoaao, I will definately pick up some of those items.  Did you take them right away?  I am more concerned about the other happening as i have had bouts of IBS.  I guess we will see.  I don't mind IV's but am a little apprehensive about the access through the port.  Was there any discomfort when they access that for your first infusion?   How are you doing on Taxol?  I have 12 doses to complete once I finish the first 4 rounds of AC.  Some say it is easier?

    Rambo50-Honestly, for me the port placement was a piece of cake.  Try not to worry and relax. I know everyone is different, but if chemo is that easy I can handle that.  My class is monday, and yes alot of quesions. 

  • pstamant
    pstamant Member Posts: 5
    edited July 2013

    Hi Millie, had my first treatment on 7.2.2013. TC for 6 cycles every three weeks because of heart concern. All went well, no nausea, but I'm taking the medications cuz it works! By Thursday I started getting lots of aches and bone pain, and headache. I've been trying tylenol extra strength but it isn't always working. Had to use pain meds to get sleep.



    I'll be cutting my hair this next week. I've got two cute wigs to have some fun with, and I'm looking at scarves and hats as well. Got to have some fun, right!

  • pstamant
    pstamant Member Posts: 5
    edited July 2013

    I love my port as well. I've had only one treatment, but it was so easy. I do adjust my seatbelt some days, but mostly it is just fine, and I have no problem with my bras, the straps are outside the port area.



    I am so glad I had this installed, so convenient.

  • PortlandLady
    PortlandLady Member Posts: 37
    edited July 2013

    Laura - thanks for confirming the need for helpers! Since you posted that I got on it and asked for help. I have someone for at least the first 2 treatments and I think the other 2 as well. It's overwhelming how much is involved in doing the cold caps - having all the equipment, supplies, etc. But I know it will be worth it if I can keep my hair. It's about dignity and confidence for me. Also, I depend on my business and don't want to lose projects because I look sick. I have to try...

  • m1970
    m1970 Member Posts: 337
    edited July 2013

    PortlandLady, I highly recommend practicing with the caps prior to chemo with your helpers. I did yesterday and I cannot imagine figuring it out on the first day of chemo.

  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited July 2013

    Hello, ladies.  I see a lot of you are starting your chemo on July 11.  I'll be doing my second on July 11 so I'll be thinking of you while I'm in the infusion room!

    I had a pretty hard time with round 1 so I would just say if it hits you harder than others, I can sympathize and just roll with it and don't think you are weak.  I thought it was going to be 3 or 4 days of feeling bad and then I could cope.  I was planning on going back to work on Monday morning.  Well there wasn't a chance and I felt kind of guilty and like I wasn't as strong as others until my onc had a good talking with me.  So I have released that idea and will let my body heal in its own time.   

    Has anyone heard if that Brian Joseph's stuff has worked for others?  I wonder if it helps if you didn't start it at first chemo?  I have one bare spot in my eyebrow now so I need to get out and at least get an eyebrow pencil.  Had the wig ready but nothing for brows or lashes. 

    I'll pass along my cure for constipation which is broccoli salad and cole slaw.  I figured those are supposed to be cancer fighters anyway so I just eat one or both every day and it has helped more than all the other stuff I tried. 

    Marsha and Baby Ruth - I am a local recurrance and I wondered if you know the plan for your hormone therapy following this lovely round of chemo.  I was on tamoxifen and they will probably suppress my ovaries and switch me to an AI, although I don't know which one yet.   

  • Mellie289
    Mellie289 Member Posts: 156
    edited July 2013

    aaoaao - sorry to see you hear with bone mets. Your diagnosis is particularly scary to me as it sounds like your primary tumor is the same as mine. I hope so much that you can beat this once and for all this time!

    pstamant - it's good to hear that your chemo is going well and nausea is in control, but sorry about the bone pain. I've read on here that some people take Claritin to help with bone pain. I think that might be specific for the bone pain caused by neulasta. Are you taking that as well? It might not hurt to try the Claritin if the Tylenol isn't cutting it all the time.

    It's a big week for me. Tomorrow I meet my new surgeon to review my lumpectomy/ALND and Tuesday I meet my oncologist to go over test results in the morning and I see my new oncologist in the afternoon for a second opinion. I need to spend time today making a list of questions - one of which will be about having a port placed in my arm. I can get on board with that but I do not want one in my chest.

    Have all of you discussed time off with your doctors? I will need to have a form signed for absences at my job nd I'm wondering how willing they are to do it since it seems many carry on to work as usual. I have almost 60 days of sick time accrued and intend to take some of it when going through the AC cycles but I'm not sure if the oncs automatically endorse sick time during chemo or if you have to be one of the poor ones suffering. I guess I'll be discussing that Tuesday, but I was curious but others' experiences.

    It's my birthday Wednesday and my boyfriend is taking me out for a surprise tonight. He's pretty good at cheering me up through this so far. He says his job is to make sure I don't cry. I have lots to do today to try to make space for his stuff since he's moving in on Saturday. It's all pretty overwhelming at times, but I'm going to feel so much better once he's moved in here. 

  • aaoaao
    aaoaao Member Posts: 593
    edited July 2013

    Hannariggs, I've never had any pain from accessing the port.  I don't use numbing gel on it because it really is easy for me.  Less painful than an immunization and the needle is so small.  But if you are concerned ask for the numbing gel. You deserve to be as comfortable as possible and anything they can do to help you get there they should do.

    Mellie, please don't worry that my initial cancer is similar to yours. Most people with your stage and form doesn't have a reoccurance.  Cancer occurance is a crap shoot and so is cancer reoccurance.  Most people, I believe the statistic is less than 20%, don't have their cancer come back.  I wouldn't spend to much time worrying about that (though I know that is easier said than done), because you have enough on your plate right now.  Just keep trying to remind yourself that you'll be a cancer SURVIVOR not a cancer victim.

    I don't know much about cold caps, Brian Joseph, wigs or IBS.  My burden is constipation.  I initially, during my first battle, worried about hair loss.  Now I really don't care.  It is what it and others can like it or not.  That's their problem not mine.

    Also to all, some people do experience treatments differently.  None of us are identical.  So if you have more pain or nausea please don't feel like you're being a baby because you're not.  Some people can work through it and some can't.  Again, it's a crap shoot.  If you need help, get it.  If you need time to heal, take it.  I know this is hard for some due to family/job issues.  I was lucky that I don't have small children or a job that I couldn't take a break from.  For those that have those extra concerns, try to lean on people as much as you can.  It doesn't make you weak but strong because you're building up the weapons you need to win this fight.

  • Rambo50
    Rambo50 Member Posts: 140
    edited July 2013

    Mellie289 -

    I think it's great you're getting a second oncologist's opinion.  Let us know if they differ!  Do you know anything about differences with port placement in chest vs. arm???  I'm curious - I go for mine this week as well.

    Hope you have a wonderful birthday!!!  Seems my 50th birthday/26th anniversary "present" was this rotten BC dx ;-)  Sometimes all you can do is laugh!

    To anyone out there - 

    How have you handled work?  I know many work through with flexibility but I teach and really need to make a committment to DO it or have someone step in for the semester (in which case I won't get paid!!!).  I've got a fantastic NEW job as a college professor after 15 years of teaching high school, but this dx has put me in limbo with benefits and such (thankfully I'm covered medically under hubby's plan) so I don't really have any sick days to work with...  Lots to think about.

    My best to all of you who've already started your chemo :)

  • Mellie289
    Mellie289 Member Posts: 156
    edited July 2013

    Lynn - I don't know a lot about the arm placement and just posted on the Port Placement thread to see if others with one already can chime in.

    I also teach college and would be submitting my tenure portfolio this fall. My summer has been ruined by the surgery and diagnosis, and the chemo starting soon, so I plan to defer a year but I must take sick leave in the fall for at least two weeks to do that. I think that will work out okay since that should be me getting through the AC portion of my treatment and resuming during the weekly taxol, which seems to be an easier ride from what I've seen (hoping I have that reaction!).  I'm full-time faculty, so the department will hold my class for me and find someone to substitute in, but it means planning ahead a bit. I will meet with my dept. chair after I start to figure out how I'm handling the treatments though. It sounds like you're part-time, so that's a tough situation. I hope you're getting time to make that decision so you can see how your treatments go before needing to commit or not. My dept. chair has pointed out though that later cycles could be harder than the first one as the chemo takes its toll. I'm glad you have a spouse with medical benefits! I'm single so extremely thankful for my full-time position benefits right now. 

    aaoaao - I admire your attitude! I'm trying not to worry too much about the future. It's more that I'm considering all the possibilities so my treatment will be as aggressive as possible so it won't come back.

    As soon as I know what's going on for my treatment, I'm going to book a mani/pedi and a hair cut to do something nice for myself before I start poisoning myself. Tongue Out

  • Rambo50
    Rambo50 Member Posts: 140
    edited July 2013

    Mellie - I'm actually full-time faculty as well (did some adject work prior to my hire literally 2 weeks before dx).  They'll pull in someone for me too, if need be.  Right now we're trying to arrange my teaching schedule so it works with my chemo schedule - i know that may be wishful thinking on my part!  Nonetheless, I intend to do what i can, holding some hybrid sessions if necessary ;-)

    TwoHobbies - Have you participated in the Look Good-Feel Better program? I'm going July 22nd and am hopeful they'll provide some pointers on eyebrows and lashes (as if head hair loss isn't bad enough!).

    http://lookgoodfeelbetter.org/

    And, if anyone needs some inspiration - especially you triple negative gals - check out Jennifer Griffin's story:

    jengriffinblog.blogspot.com

  • TwoHobbies
    TwoHobbies Member Posts: 2,118
    edited July 2013

    Rambo, if you can wait to decide on teaching next semester, I would suggest seeing how you feel after you start treatment.  I would think you'd have a good idea whether you can handle it or not.  BTW, I also got cancer for my 50th birthday, and then I got it again for my 20th wedding anniversary.   

    Mellie, I bet your onc will sign for what you need.  At my one week follow-up, it was actually my doctor who brought up whether I'd been able to go to work or not.  Based on my description, she said I should apply for disability.  Now I'm waiting to see if the disability insurance approves it or not. 

    Aaoaao, you have developed a good attitude.  I need to work on reducing my everyday stress.  For some reason I have coped with the cancer and am just doing my treatment and assuming the positive, but I let other stuff bother the heck out of me.  

    Rambo, there's a LGFB I found in August, but I was going to see if there's another at some other location earlier than that.  Gee, I'm such a low maintenance girl, I hate to have to do eyebrows and false eyelashes every morning.  Plus it will use up that time I was saving on no hair styling! 

  • PortlandLady
    PortlandLady Member Posts: 37
    edited July 2013

    Thanks, Marsha1970! Did you practice with them frozen or not? I won't have time to freeze them, I think, they are due to arrive Tuesday and my first treatment is Thursday. But maybe if I get them in the freezer Tuesday evening I can practice myself Wed. I don't think I can ask my helper, who is a volunteer I haven't met, to come over Wed. I'm already feeling like this a big job for anyone to commit to. Any other tips? Boy, there is a lot to learn with all of this!!

  • jc254
    jc254 Member Posts: 439
    edited July 2013

    Portland, please join us on the thread "Cold Cap Users Past and Present" under the category, "Help Me Get Through Treatment".  You'll find lots of advice and tips from women who have used the caps in the past and those currently using them.  It's a great group of postive women who will be happy to help.    I finished chemo about two weeks ago and kept my hair.   You can too.

  • m1970
    m1970 Member Posts: 337
    edited July 2013

    PortlandLady -- I did practice first with them out of my home freezer then with ones chilled in dry ice.  My primary helper was stressed about the dry ice so I wanted to ease her mind about that part.  I don't think it is necessary to practice with the dry ice, just practice putting it on tightly and quickly.  They put it on backwards first time!  The caps are supposed to go into your freezer as soon as they arrive in the mail, then you move them to dry ice 3 hours before chemo.  Also one part we didn't get until we watched the video a second time is that you take it off like a helmet.  My hair was getting stuck in the velcro when we unsnapped the sides before taking it off, but all you do is the chin strap.  Come over to the thread PA just referenced and you will get lots of help from people who have done this successfully --- I am figuring this out along with you!

    TwoHobbies -- My first cancer was 6 years ago and strongly hormone positive.  I started with Tamoxifen, then switched to Arimidex when the CYP2D6 test came out and I was found to be a poor metabolizer of Tamoxifen.  I stopped taking AI's after 5 years. There was some study that came out that said 10 years hormonal therapy is better than 5, but I'm not starting again.  My new cancer is not a recurrence but a new primary that is hormone negative so there is no need for me to start taking AI's again.

    Mellie - I think your oncologist will do whatever you ask.  They are not going to say, suck it up and go to work!  Likewise they will not tell you if you want/need to work that you can't.  I worked through it before, and it was not bad, but in the end that company went bankrupt!  I promised myself if I ever had to do it again, I wouldn't be such a hero.  I currently work for the state where my job is secure and I have a great disabilty program, so I decided to focus on my physical and mental healing and take the time off.  I've been out of work since my surgery in May.  I also think that whether working is realistic depends on your job.  I may decide to go back to work after I see how I feel through chemo.  Right now I am enjoying not even knowing what is going on with work and having no other responsibility than taking care of myself and my son.

    For those who have started chemo and are having a hard time, you need to know that the first time you are given a "loading dose" which is a STRONGER dose than you will get subsequent times.  When I did chemo before the first dose was always the worst, and now I know why!  It is possible that you may not feel as bad the next time.


  • Hannariggs
    Hannariggs Member Posts: 137
    edited July 2013

    Marsha-I have heard of a loaded baked potato but a loaded chemo dose? Think I would rather have the potato. lol.  My loaded dose begins the 10th.  Were the taxol infusions easier than the AC?  Hoping we all have minimal side effects.........

  • m1970
    m1970 Member Posts: 337
    edited July 2013

    Hannariggs, Both the first dose of AC and the first dose of TaxolI had severe fatigue that would hit me 1-2 days after my treatment and last for 2-3 days.  On the subsequent doses I remember waiting to feel as bad as the first time, and it never was that bad.  Of course this was 6 years ago so I might have blocked it all out!  I lost my eyebrows after Taxol.  Not a good look for me.  I don't recall that one drug was worse/better than the other but I think my onc said that people do better on Taxol than AC.   Any other side effects were related to the steriods.   Without the steriods you will have more side effects from chemo.  Compazine made me severely agitated and I will never take that evil drug again.  Kytril made me severely constipated that caused damage that took many months to heal.  I also had a bad taste in my mouth.  I recommend starting to use biotine toothpaste and mouthwash immediately.  Don't use alcohol based mouthwash.

    I start on the 10th too.  We are going to be FINE, yes we are.

  • PortlandLady
    PortlandLady Member Posts: 37
    edited July 2013

    Thanks, Ladies!  On my way to the cold cap thread...Kiss

  • Rambo50
    Rambo50 Member Posts: 140
    edited July 2013

    Have any of you had the BRCA gene test done?

    My onco submitted blood work but said they are likely to say no to insurance coverage. My paternal grandmother was a survivor (dx in her mid 40s) and my father passed 14 years ago from pancreatic cancer.

    I'm really feeling the need to know for my daughter's sake.

  • soriya123
    soriya123 Member Posts: 662
    edited July 2013

    Rambo50, I had my BRCA 1 &2 done a week ago. Will get the results in a week. I have Blueshiled my insurance pay for it. Your genetic conselor should let you know if the insurance approved or not.

  • honeybunny96
    honeybunny96 Member Posts: 120
    edited July 2013

    I have the BRCA1 gene mutation.. have known for a few years

  • m1970
    m1970 Member Posts: 337
    edited July 2013

    Rambo50, I wonder why they would deny it?  I had the BCRA test done, but maybe it was approved because I was diagnosed at a young age (37) and I needed it for treatment decisions.  It seems to me that since you have some family history that could help with approval.  I think only breast and ovarian cancer is relevant to the BCRA mutation.

  • Rambo50
    Rambo50 Member Posts: 140
    edited July 2013

    Soriya123 - I hope my insurance (BCBS) will cover too!  I'm tempted to try and come out of pocket if necessary to check.

    Honeybunny96 - Noticed you had a bilateral, was that due to BRCA1?  Personal question, what about your ovaries?

    My onco said if I was positive they'd want to take my other breast and ovaries... :(

  • Rambo50
    Rambo50 Member Posts: 140
    edited July 2013

    Marsha1970 - I know, right?  Both my surgeon and onco said there's a weak (still under study) connection with the pancreatic and breast cancer being on the same side of the family...  Not that this is enough for me to "qualify" out right!  I think because so may women are seeking the test now, and there's only ONE lab with the breast cancer gene patent, insurance companies are reluctant to say "yes" - my fingers are crossed!

  • aaoaao
    aaoaao Member Posts: 593
    edited July 2013

    If you have a family history of breast cancer the insurance should cover it.  I'd argue with them if they tried to deny it.  My niece wanted to have herself tested since I have cancer and she was told insurance wouldn't cover it (she doesn't have breast cancer though) and that out of pocket it would be about $3,000.  That of course can vary from place to place.  I gave her the results of my test to reassure her that my cancer was negative for the gene.  I think every cancer patient deserves to know if their family members have a higher chance than others of getting this disease. 

  • soriya123
    soriya123 Member Posts: 662
    edited July 2013

    Maybe if BC patients below 50 years old the insurance will pay for BRCA 1 & 2? I was diagnosed at age 38 last June.. just turned 39 today.



    Rambo50, yes my Onco,BS n Genetic counselor told me the same thing, remove both breasts, since I'm done with kids and recommend to remove my ovaries when I turn 40...if my test is positive :'( Sad part ... this gene mutation pass down to my kids :'(

  • Pattysmiles
    Pattysmiles Member Posts: 954
    edited July 2013

    Greetings!



    I am having my final of 4 TC chemo tomorrow. I thought I would drop in here, since I can't sleep, and offer up my experience.



    Steroids can make you stay awake! They didn't for my first two treatments, I slept like a baby. But for #3 and this final I have been up! I also think I made the mistake of drinking coffee late in the day. Oh well. And yes, you CAN gain weight on chemo, steroids make me hungry! Though taste buds are off!



    Icing, I saw a few people ask. First I would like to say, ALWAYS check with your oncologist prior to taking any advice on these boards. We are all "just patients".

    I ice my fingers using bags of ice and my toes using bags of veggies (same bags each chemo round, will be throwing them out after my final tomorrow!). I sit with soles of feet together one bag veggies between toes and one on either side of the tops of my toes. This is done when the start the Taxotere drip, and during that entire Taxotere drip. I also get ice chips to suck on and have an icee to drink (to avoid mouth sores). I use a cooler bag to transport my ice, frozen veggies and icee to my treatment.



    Food, find out if your center provides lunch...you will most likely be there a number of hours. Mine does not, so I throw in some protein (healing powers!) into my cooler bag and maybe some pretzels or other finger food.



    Water, water , water...hydrate, if you can't tolerate water find something else you can. Drink plenty before getting to the treatment center, helps them to find your veins if yOU are well hydrated. Also the liquid will help to rid your body of the toxins. You CAN. Get up and use the bathroom during treatment. The only time you cannot is when they do your first drip of taxotere (checking for reactions the first 5-10 minutes). Don't know about the other chemo a. Just tell your nurses you need a warning for when you MUST stay in your chip air so you can go use the bathroom accordingly. Continue to drink plenty when you get home and for the following days.



    Bathroom at home. I start stool softeners day of chemo, and continue them. Next day I add Miralax to my breakfast water, and do that for more days too! When I stop all my nausea meds I stop these meds too. That is just me. I have not gotten constipated.

    I also have baby wipes on hand to wipe myself after using the bathroom those first 3 -4 days. You are passing toxins, I don't need "issues" down there!



    Food...nothing tastes "right" as you would think it should. Coffee...eeeew! I don't drink coffee for the first week....BUT I found a international delight Mocha coffee drink in a half gallon at the supermarket that tastes incredible. I throw it in the blender and add ice. YUM! (Higher calories though, here comes weight gain! I also like the McDonald's chocolate shakes and the McDouble (but NOT a regular cheeseburger from McDonalds!-go figure!). I don't eat those on a normal day! And I LOVE my watermelon, cold, tasty and soothing. Also iced tea!



    Indigestion...mine started as soon as I got home from chemo...despite the meds given in IV prior to chemo. I went and purchased Prilosec and .tums. Between the two it kept me good.



    I have my meds to take in a bowl on my kitchen table, and have a check off list on my kitchen cabinet, so I remember what i took. Also helped when I was in bed and didn't want to get up, hubb could figure out what to bring me.

    Additional, "back up" meds are in a shoebox on my coffee table..Benadryl, nausea meds, thermometer...I have only needed the nausea meds. I also advise using an empty medicine bottle or other container to throw some nausea meds and tums into when out running around.



    Claritin for the Neulasta shot. I have read that it can help to avoid the bone pain associated with the Neulasta shot. My onc never heard of it but did not discourage me trying. The nurse said I am her only patient that can tolerate the full amount of the Neulasta shot (they can decrease the amount given if you get bad bone pain). I think it is because of the Claritan 24 one a day pill. I take it the morning of the Neulasta shot and one a day for the next 7 days.



    Side effects, I will look for and post a sheet of side effects to record/note when on chemo. It comes in handy and tells you when to call your onc. Also handy to refer to when you go back to next chemo. It is from the American cancer society.



    Not feeling good! Call your onc! Don't wait, they are getting paid to serve! Weekends, holidays, midnights....call! Don't "wait it out" there are so many meds that can be prescribed to help you feel better.



    Blood pressure, blood draws and IV. These things should not be done on the arm where you had lymph nodes removed. It can increase the risk of lymphedema....look it up on these boards. Be sure to advocate for yourself!



    IV...if you feel discomfort in your vein, or anywhere, when getting your pre meds or chemo, speak up! They had to use a hand vein during one of my rounds and I had burning and pain during Benadryl drip...I was so happy I spoke up, they did something and made it better. Also had other issues that day and they fixed it. Didn't have any problems my other two times!



    Tiredness...I was tired on day 4? (Day 1 being chemo day). I napped, and then napped some more. You really need to GET UP AND MOVE...even walking in the house, housework, walk down the street....it actually takes to out of the tired fog! I was back to the gym by day 6....I am NOT a gym rat, just like my one machine. Admittedly I took it slower, I was afraid...then I worked my way back up....it IS doable. They say the effects of chemo are cumulative. I didn't really feel that til chemo #3, but my vitamin d is down and so are my red blood cell counts...so that can be the reason...I am still getting up and going though!



    Chemo brain..I have NOT had any major issues with this. Thankfully!



    I apologize for the typos, I'm sure there are many and iPad makes up its own words too, I am too tired to go back and fix.



    Please remember, you CAN do this. Many have gone before you and are here to talk about it. One step at a time.

    Pat





  • lesmdes
    lesmdes Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2013

    Hello,

    Thought I'd say I belong to this group too. I have my second chemo treatment on Weds 7/10. I was diagonsed 4/16/13 (my birthday is 4/18 happy birthday to me) with IDC stage 1. I had a bilateral mastectomy on May 6th. My Oncotype came back 35 and I have BRCA 2 positive. Wednesday is the second anniversary of my mom's death from this dang disease. So I will be having my second treatment on the second anniversary of her death. Oh, has that been messing with my poor brain. I need to just get thru this week. I felt generally rotten after first treatment but it was low grade enough to not interfer to badly with my life. I haven't had any hair loss yet but I'm going to shave it off on Friday. I feel like I can't control anything in my life anymore but I can take control of when the hair goes so thats what I'm doing.

  • Rambo50
    Rambo50 Member Posts: 140
    edited July 2013

    Wow, Pattysmiles! Thanks SO much for the insight and advice :) I've already got my Claritin, Senecot, and Miralax ready!



    Hugs to you, Lesmds, I'm so sorry about your mom and the anniversary thing :( I was dx on my 26th anniversary. Hope your second round doesn't leave you feeling so rotten!

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