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slickchickie17
slickchickie17 Member Posts: 125
edited June 2014 in Breast Reconstruction

Please help!I had my surgery consult this week & my BS refuses to consider an implant on my right breast bc I will be having 6 weeks of radiation after surgery. Has anybody had success with implants after radiation?

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  • Youngwithbc
    Youngwithbc Member Posts: 167
    edited June 2013

    Hi there... I have implants and am currently doing radiation. My surgeon prefers doing the implant surgery prior to radiation, because she would rather work with unradiated skin since it can be hard to work with skin after radiation. But there are many people who get implants after radiation as well if the skin is still in decent condition. In that case, most surgeons usually like to wait 6 months to a year. But all that to say, it is definitely doable and has been done! So I'd say if your PS is refusing to do it, then talk to another one.

  • Boobytrap
    Boobytrap Member Posts: 53
    edited June 2013

    Hiya,

    I had an expander in immediately after mastectomy and it was only later that it was decided I would need radiotx. I had my breast fully expanded and exchange for silicone implants done prior to 5 weeks radiotherapy. My PS wasn't overly happy, but the results (one year out) are good and I can't say I can tell the difference between the non-irradiated implant and irradiated implant side. I have also seen some studies showing that good results can be achieved. My PS has also agreed to reconstruct the nipple on the irradiated side.

  • slickchickie17
    slickchickie17 Member Posts: 125
    edited June 2013

    Thank you for taking the time to respond! I agree that I need a second opinion bc my BS didn't even recommend that I speak to whomever will be doing my reconstruction. He just flat out said that he will not do implants in a radiated breast. I'm BRCA1 & need both breasts removed, but I don't want them to look different & really want to avoid any type of flap surgery. He said I likely don't have enough excess fat to create a breast from a flap anyhow. I was very upset at the consultation & I'm sure that I didn't get all the info I need. I'm very concerned that he will limit my possibilities for reconstruction if I don't figure all this out before he removes my right breast in a couple weeks. Everything I've seen online suggests that radiation & implants generally don't mix well, but it seems like there are a lot of women who have had both that disagree.

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited June 2013

    Hi slickchick-



    I also had the TE exchanged for an implant before I started radiation. As long as I started rads within four months after the chemo, my team was okay with it. My plastic surgeon and I wanted that the most, since the skin will heal much better before rads.



    Now I just started rads and am hoping for the best. my implant scar had healed nicely.



    It is vital that your surgeon, plastic surgeon, oncologist and rads oncologist talk to one another, or at least are in contact about you through email. If you are somewhere that is not happening, take your health, business - and breasts- somewhere else. Shame on them!



    GOOD luck to you!

  • BayouBabe
    BayouBabe Member Posts: 2,221
    edited June 2013

    I had a TE placed prior to radiation. It was overfilled to help in case of tightness/ shrinking after the radiation. Next month I will be getting the TE exchanged for a silicone implant. My surgeon will be doing fat grafting during the exchange surgery. New evidence shows that the stem cells in your fat can help with radiated tissue. Do NOT give up hope - get a second opinion BEFORE you have your MX. Sending hugs and luck your way!

  • slickchickie17
    slickchickie17 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2013

    I spoke to a highly recommended PS at my cancer center yesterday & I feel a little better. He has no problem doing implants, but wants to wait until after radiation to begin any reconstruction. He also wants to use a lat dorsi flap on the Rx side to bring in healthy vascular tissue & skin. I wanted to avoid any type of flap surgery, but he thinks using the flap to cover the implant is the best choice for me. I must begin Rx as soon as I recover from my mastectomy due to my situation (BRCA1, locally advanced, grade 3). I suppose that is his choice bc I don't have time to stretch w/TE's prior to Rx...anybody have any thoughts or experience w/a similar situation?

  • Panchoandlefty
    Panchoandlefty Member Posts: 181
    edited July 2013

    I'm 5 years out, so a different perspective.

    I had a bilateral w/ immediate reconstruction, then rads. Not optimal, but it was the right choice for me. I had 3 small kids and just couldn't wrap my head around a flap surgery. My feeling was that is the implants didn't work, I wouldn't be in any worse shape than if I didn't do reconstruction... if they worked, even just  for a few years, i could get out of the immediate crisis to make better decisions.

    Like you, I didn't have enough belly for bilateral reconstruction using my own tissue.

    Plastic Surgeons will ALWAYS say they prefer to do some sort of flap using non-radiated tissue over implants w/ rads. That isn't to say they won't give it a try, but you should be aware that the chances are about 50/50 of the side with radiation surviving IN GOOD COSMETIC shape for more than a couple years. Generally, any assymetry can be masked with a slightly padded bra, but, again, not optimal.

    If your priority is symetry and you are gettig rads, your best chance of LONG TERM sucess is a flap. You can do implants, then rads... but if you go that route, you have to go in with eyes wide open. I did, and I don't regret my choice, but 5 years down the road, I do need to have some scar tissue cleaned out or perhaps move forward with a flap. My implants don't look terrible, but they are very, very firm (both sides, not just rad side), have shrunk a bit, and have projection issues.

    Good luck!

  • slickchickie17
    slickchickie17 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2013

    Panchoandlefty: thanks for the advice!

  • slickchickie17
    slickchickie17 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2013

    What does "projection issues" mean? I've seen it referenced often & I'm not exactly clear on what that means or looks like.

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited July 2013

    Projection just means how far the "foob" sticks out front after the surgery. The implants tend to be rather flat at first, then "drop and fluff".



    Mine is now pretty symmetrical with the other side, and I am sure hoping radiation does not mess it up too much with contracture!!!!

  • slickchickie17
    slickchickie17 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2013

    Sciencegal: Interesting...so viewing them from the side, they look flat? But they're not really flat? And so drop & fluff is a good thing, right? I wonder how long it takes until they look the way they are supposed to look?

  • sciencegal
    sciencegal Member Posts: 1,120
    edited July 2013

    Not entirely flat but more like hamburger buns- flat in the middle. That's the lack of projection. Mine is much better than when it was first placed, for sure!!

  • Alldone
    Alldone Member Posts: 15
    edited July 2013

    Hi slick chickie. I'm new to this site and just posted to a couple other breast reconstruction links on this site. Don't want to bore people with a repeat of my procedures, but I think u can avoid tissue transfer for your reconstruction. If u have mastectomy and later want reconstruction, I had fat transfer from flanks (a syringe of fat basically) which was put into my radiated tissue to regenerate stem cell growth and repair the damaged tissue. This allowed for expander and implant. On the other side I had a prophylactic mastectomy ( including removal of nipple to further reduce chance of BC) with immediate implant and some alloderm was also used. Then I had areola and nips reconstructed on both sides using labia. Amazing new techniques and the more people aware of our choices the better. Best of luck in your decision.

  • slickchickie17
    slickchickie17 Member Posts: 125
    edited July 2013

    Sciencegal: I guess at least they don't look like hot dog buns, right?



    Alldone: thanks for the suggestion! I know about the fat grafting, I'm not even eligible for reconstruction until 6 months after radiation. My surgery is 7/18, so obviously recon is way off in the future. We'll see what my skin looks like & go from there. My PS at this point thinks that the lat flap is best for long term aesthetic outcome & I don't have enough excess tissue to create breasts without implants. Nothing is set in stone, though. A lot can change in 7-8 months, right?

  • Jenneri
    Jenneri Member Posts: 11
    edited June 2014

    Hi all,  just finished my last chemo.... Done neoadjuvant ... Scheduled for BMX on 7/1/14.  Still in FL and meeting scheduled with my BS, who is a close friend and the reconstructive surgeon in NYC.  I checked in with Wippetmom about implant suggestions, but I think using my own tissue might come up for discussion because I do have some spare!! Thighs, not belly.  Any input on my options? How long is the recovery if I use autologous tissue.  How bad was the recovery from the additional surgery.  Looking back would you have opted one way or the other?  It's happening soon, help!  Thanks!

  • dixie60
    dixie60 Member Posts: 32
    edited June 2014

    After chemo, I had an implant placed, radiation, and then the implant removed and SGAP reconstruction (at NOLA) to both sides (BRCA 2+). Only stage 1 recon so far, and the healing is a little different on the radiated side, but I am extremely happy with the outcome. 

    I wish you the very best in your decision!

  • Jenneri
    Jenneri Member Posts: 11
    edited June 2014

    Thanks Dixie60,  I think I'm just a little nervous because so many decisions will have to be made the day before surgery.  I have all my NYC appts the day before surgery! 

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