Stage 3c and Scared

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dutchiris
dutchiris Member Posts: 855
edited June 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer

My children are 17, 18, and 20. Please help me find some hope that I can be here for them for a long time. I just found out today that I am 3c instead of 2b or 3a.

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  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited June 2013

    Dutchiris, there is a thread on here called 'Would love to hear from some longterm Stage 111 survivors'. You will find many stories of hope there. Best wishes to you!

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited June 2013

    I remember well going into surgery after having been told I'd be a Stage II and 5 days later ending up a Stage IIIC. I was diagnosed 8/2011, but did not know I was a Stage IIIC until 2/2012 due to chemo before surgery. I'm still here now. I know it's not a long time ... yet .... but I feel better and better every day. At first it was devastating and very, very difficult. But I look at it this way--the staging is a way of determining what treatment is needed more than a prognosis. As bad as it sounds, it has not spread to other organs. Do not look at prognoses on Google. Many times, they are based on surgery alone, not other treatment especially the aromatase inhibitors.



    My son was 19 and starting his 3rd year of college when this happened to me. I just saw him graduate! Yes, there is hope!



    Where are you at in treatment?

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited June 2013

    Okay Dutchirish what changed to make your stage change? I was a Stage 1 before my lumpectomy. After the Path report came back they found a micromet in the SN and I became a Stage II, Grade 1. We all know how unnerving it can be to have bc to begin with much less have the stage change. Still there are a lot of success stories for Stage 3C. There are no guarantees at any stage. Diane

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited June 2013

    I finished chemo on May 29. I had a BMX on June 19. Should start Tamoxifen on Monday and radiation in about a week? 19/24 nodes positive is scaring me the most.

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited June 2013

    The number of positive lymph node changed. The tumor was larger than they thought even though it seemed to improve after chemo. It was hard to determine size accurately as ultrasound was the only way it could be seen. It didn't show on the mammo or the MRI.

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited June 2013

    I am a stage IIICer.........I am now 9 years out......had 17 nodes and an 8cm tumor.....in the skin, cancer coming out of the nodes...and a bunch of other not so good stuff.

    Have hope.....no reason you can't have the same success......my children were 7, 9 and 13......in two more years I won't have anyone in the house :((((.  One out of college...one going into college and one going into his junior year in high school.

    It is tough in the beginning...... I just clung onto any success story I could find.....taped it to my mirror so I could see it each day.  Every time I refilled my prescription was success!  Every time I put up a new month from the calendar on the frig was success!  Before you know it years add up.

    Congrats on getting chemo behind you.....all down hill from here!

    Best,

    Jacqueline

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited June 2013

    Dutch, my SIL had BC about 20 years ago, with some crazy number of nodes involved. She is still stalking around making everyone miserable ;).

    I don't blame you for being freaked. My docs were hoping for 1-2 or NO nodes by surgery time, and that did not pan out either. The day I got my path report was not a good day for me.

    But, in the end, you can't change it. You can do your treatment and look after yourself. By looking after yourself I don't just mean physically.Try to put yourself first as much as you can. Be good to yourself. Avoid people who are not good to you, and spend time with the ones who are. 

    I have concluded that it is all a bit of a crap shoot. Sometimes early stage cancers metastasize. Other times, advanced cancers decide to lie low for eons. A friend of mine was given 6-9 months to live last year - brain cancer. They took out the primary tumor, but could not get clean margins, and warned him that it would start growing again. He decided to skip further treatment (not likely to do much anyway with this particular cancer) and just enjoy whatever time he had left. It has now been 12 months, he feels fine, and a recent scan shows no new cancer activity.

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited June 2013

    I'm sorry you have found yourself here with us.  The beginning is the worse part...it's a shock to the mind, body and soul.  I was a complete mess but will be 3 yrs in July and I'm doing good.  My girls were 18 mths and 4 when I was dx, its not always easy but doable and you will make it.  With each day that passes you find more hope and strength, soon breast cancer is not the center of your world anymore.  This website is wonderful, full of great people and info.  I hope you find strength and support here with us.  We're here and understand. 

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited June 2013

    Thank you Jacqueline. Did you have vhemo before surgery? We both had a similar number of positive nodes and large tumors. So I see hope for myself especially in your story.

    All the stories from the survivors here are inspiring me to have some hope and I am thankful to read all that come. Thank you.

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited June 2013

    No I didn't.....my tumor was so big my oncologist wanted it out fast.....not saying that is what most doctors are doing today.

    I did have tons of chemo though.....more than average.  Like me you are ER+/PR+ and I really think Femara is what has me going so long.

    Fists up!

    Jacqueline

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited June 2013

    Welcome to our little club. ditto what everyone else said.



    I was out riding roller coasters yesterday. chemo was the longest and hardest for me.

    PM me if you ever need talking ofv ledge. have been theremany times. had many pity crying parties in bathroom



  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited June 2013

    Hi Dutchiris. Dont let the staging get to you. Once I learned that breast cancer doesnt progress from stage 0 to stage 4 in that order it helped me. When I first came to this site I met someone who was stage 0 one day and stage 4 the next. So basically we are either metastatic or not. The staging really just helps them decide what treatments to give.

    Yatcomw thats awesome that you have been a survivor for so long and you still come here to give inspiration. I hope to be like you.

    Healing hugs to all

  • hopefour
    hopefour Member Posts: 459
    edited June 2013

    Dutchiris...hope you are feeling encouraged with all that has been shared!! I have an acquaintance that I made when I was dx with BC ... Her name is Judy and ALL 36 nodes that were taken were positive...yes really!! I had been told about her and than blessed to meet her! Her joyfulness surrounds you when your with her. Judy is 8 years out this summer and still going strong!!! HOPE!!!

  • AryaS
    AryaS Member Posts: 131
    edited June 2013

    I went into surgery thinking my nodes were clear and I was maybe Stage 2. Came out of surgery to learn that I had numerous positive lymph nodes, the tumor was larger than predicted and I was Stage 3C. It is very scary.

    I am doing chemo now and just trying to stay positive. Chemo is so hard.

    My children are 11 and 8.

    On top of the Western medicine, I am doing some additional therapies like weekly acupuncture. I have also had several Reiki sessions. I am also going to try hypnotherapy to change my outlook, calm my fears of being Stage 3 and get myself through chemo and radiation.

    Lastly, I plan to radically change my diet once chemo is done.

    I am just hoping something works and I can be here for as long as I can.

    There doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason to any of this so I am just trying to stay hopeful and cherish every day.

    I just wanted you to know that you are not alone in this.

  • mom2twins34
    mom2twins34 Member Posts: 185
    edited June 2013

    I am also a 3C.  Diagnosed when my twins were in kindergarten.  I was very scared and in shock, too.  Like Jennyboog said, it's hardest when you first get the news.  I am not a panicky person, but I remember feeling as though my life hinged on every decision I made and fearing that I wouldn't see my kids reach 1st grade.  It was a really dark time.

    And now they've finished 3rd grade and my motto is, "It is what it is."  You just never know with this disease, so I just try to be hopeful and try to do the best I can.  

    But I remember that fear well.  You are not alone in this.  This is a great community and you will get lots of support here.  We all understand, often when people around us just can't.  So don't be afraid to share your thoughts, fears, etc.  It helps!

    Sending you hugs and my warmest thoughts...

  • caitlin61
    caitlin61 Member Posts: 214
    edited June 2013

    Like several of you, I went into surgery thinking I was Stage IIb (had a PET/CT scan on which 2 nodes lit up), possibly even IIa (specialist I saw for second opinion thought the nodes might have shown on PET/Scan because I had it just two days after a biopsy), only to find I had 10 positive nodes and a second smaller tumor in the same breast that hadn't shown on any prior imaging. I was stunned, and for me that was the low point of this entire process, possibly worse than hearing I had BC in the first place. I got through chemo and am about half way through radiation but I suspect the fear is going to really set in for me when I'm done with active treatment. It's very difficult to find a balance between optimism and the reality of the "ugliness" (as my MO put it at one point) of my pathology. Nobody has talked prognosis with me and actually, nobody has ever said "IIIc" to me, but I'm aware of my situation and the associated numbers. However, there are at least some days, even though I'm still in treatment, when I'm able to forget about BC for awhile and just get on with life. These boards have been a great source of support.



    It's great to hear from those of you who are at least a few years out and doing well! Thanks for starting this discussion, Dutchiris!

  • Danielle35
    Danielle35 Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2013

    Hi. My mom is in the same boat as you. She was initially diagnosed at Stage 2 on May 29, 2013. She had the surgery to get clear margins and when they tested the lymph nodes, they all tested positive. As of June 28, 2013, she's now Stage 3. My mom is a fighter and I know she isn't thinking worse case scenario. All of this scares me. I know what's she's in for. I had a close friend battle back from Angiosarcoma of the left breast at age 32. She is 5 yrs in remission, has her 3rd child 2.5 out from her diagnosis and is now pregnant with her 4th. I keep that in mind.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited June 2013

    Angiosarcoma is a very aggressive cancer so that info is very significant......stages are too scary i think as more depends on how the rest of your, unstaged, body is..!

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited June 2013

    Thank you all so much. I deeply appreciate all of the replies. I felt so scared and hopeless when I first posted. I am encouraged by all the stories. My surgeon said stage 3 is still considered curable.



    Sharon

  • gardenbird
    gardenbird Member Posts: 31
    edited June 2013

    Hi Dutchiris,



    I'm also stage 3c with 23 or more nodes affected. I remember, after being told that with my small lump and no evidence of nodal involvement, the shock when i woke up after the operation and seeing all the sad faces around the bed. I didn't even realize how bad the situation was then and was sitting up reading the sunday paper when my surgeon came on his rounds. He told me i had an amazingly positive attitude!! I was treated in The Netherlands and didn't understand half what he was telling me lol. When i found out about my new prognosis I was shocked. Anyway i did TAC chemo and 35 radiation treatments and am currently on arimidex and weekly bone tablet (cant spell it) AND six years later i'm doing great. Loving life and living LARGE. My children were 6 and 10 and now 17 and 13 - amazing. I celebrated 25 years of married life this week and never thought id be around to " enjoy" the hangover I had from the celebrations lol. Take heart Dutchiris - there are so many 3c survivors out there and i remember in the beginning i sought out those stories of hope too. I still do but it gets better and life and living takes over again as you go through treatment and recovery and trying to put the fear aside. Sending you strength, courage and thoughts of good times to come (())

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited June 2013

    Hi There Honey, Just reading this. I am out 8+ years from a stage IIIC "nasty tumor" and am doing the happy no BC dance everyday. I too was told I was probably a stage I or II. At surgery the docs were all quite surprised  at the extensive disease in my breast and axilla.

    The early days are always the hardest. Wrapping your head around it all. But please keep in mind the following. we get the " big guns" in tx, which is ultimately the best, there are many of us Stage III gals out there busy living our lives, BC will become a memory  and will  not always consume you. Finally come here often forsupport and good accurate info. You'll find almost all answers to your questions here which will ease your mind. I wish you a gentle ride on this trip we all never wanted to go on. 

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited June 2013

    Dutchiris....I'm 7 years out from Dx....at the time of Dx, my kids were turning 8, 19 and 20.....Today they are 15, 24 and 27!!!  I've seen many milestones over these 7 years and plan to be around for many more....IT does get better with time.....As you see from these posts, there are several of us long timers here.....also check the 5 years out thread....Wishing you an easy time with rads and with the tamox and many years of celebrating with your kids...

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited June 2013

    Thank you Karen and Linda. It seems you get bad news and just when you get some kind of handle on it, you get worse news. I have been nauseated since I got my pathology report. I find it hard to eat. I have diarhea too. I am so tired. I worry I won't be able to do my job when I'm supposed to go back to work. I think I will need at least one seroma? drained when I see the surgeon this week. It makes it hard to move my arm. I see the oncologist tomorrow to arrange and discuss tamoxifen. I worry about Leg/ joint pain. I had it bad with taxol. I want to feel normal again.



    Sharon

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited June 2013

    Hi Sharon, Yes  I know, anxiety can kill the appetite and make you nauseous. Try to take one day at a time. If your not up to returning to work then get an extension for a longer leave. I really beleive that in the early days we all  need time  to heal both body and mind. Put yourself first. Don't rush.

    Hoping you feel better.

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited July 2013

    I am a single mom and have been since 2000. My ex has nothing to do with our kids. At this time no one even knows his whereabouts. I need to get back to work because I am close to running out of leave time. If I am off beyond that time I will have to pay the full health insurance premium for myself and my youngest daughter. That is very expensive. Just so much to worry about. I think there is a possibility of going back with temporary limitations. not sure how long or how that works.



    Sharon

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited July 2013

    Oh Sharon. I am so sorry that you have this worry. I was a single mom too. Speak with your HR person at work regarding what options are avaialable.

    Reach out to a trusted friend or relative. Speak to Social Services, the local Cancer society  and if you have a religious affiliation, your church or temple or whomever... speak to them.

    I do know that there are good people out there.

    Although your eldest are only 18 and 20, they surely can help in some way, even if it's helping out at home.

    You need to have some help going through this.

    God bless and I'll keep you in my prayers.

  • melmcbee
    melmcbee Member Posts: 1,119
    edited July 2013

    Sharon, Im praying for you too. Get some meds for nausea and diarrhea and ask for something for depression or for anxiety. You have to sleep to help you feel better. Tackle just one thing at the time. Getting back to work and keeping your healt h insurance. Take the meds to heal your mi n d and body. Sit in a dark room and listen to meditation music and do some deep breathing. You are number one right now and your health is top priority. Healing hugs

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited July 2013

    I got the second of my 2 drains removed yesterday. The surgeon was concerned about my GI symptoms and sent me to the lab. According to their thermometer I had a bit off a fever. She also seems unsure about my return to work on the 23rd, got a referral to OT. The onc had tumor markers drawn. They called today and said they looked really good. I keep in touch with HR and the cancer guide said there are resources out there to help. I enjoy woodworking. My workshop (garage) isn't heated so I was looking for to the warmer months to get back to it. There's not much I can do. My livingroom has been half painted since January. Sorry for rambling on. Just some things I wanted to get out.



    Sharon

  • MMac
    MMac Member Posts: 31
    edited July 2013

    Hi everyone.  It is really heartwarming to hear from so many Stage IIIc'ers with success stories.  I am also one who went into surgery with doctors saying I would be Stage I or II.  As soon as I woke up (after several hours instead of just one) I could immediately tell from my husband's face that the news wasn't good.  That was July 5, 2011 so this time of year brings me back to memory lane.  After that day things moved so fast it was a blur.  My cancer was also grade c and was told it had been around for nine years undetected, even though I had yearly mammograms.  I had just retired on June 30 and honestly the cancer surgery and treatments seemed like I was starting a new job.  Although I was very scared, I was also positive I would beat this.  I almost felt worse when my chemo, radiation, herceptin was over.  I was so worried the cancer would come back without being in treatment.  I took Arimidex and am now on Tamoxifen.  Both have given me significant side effects but they sure seem to work. 

    Dutchiris - hang in there.  All the other Stage III's out there - thank you for sharing your stories and bringing so much hope to this forum.

  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited July 2013

    It's getting a little better each day. I have less fatigue. I find myself not thinking about it quite as much. Then I get a pain or something and worry if it means something. I know it most likely means I just had surgery on June 19th and that I just started Tamoxifen and Zoladex. I'm sure these fears are not unfamiliar to all of you. I have yet to drive since my BMX. My surgeon said I can drive when I feel it it's safe but I'm nervous. how long did you all wait?



    Sharon

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