Pain - what do you take?

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Lainey64
Lainey64 Member Posts: 740
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Hello.  I have been taking ibuprofen for my arm pain but it doesn't seem to be working that great.  Would Tylenol be better?  I've been wrapped 'round the clock since Thursday and I think the swelling is getting better but my arm is still achy.  Ouch! Cry

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  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited June 2013

    I would love to hear everyone's experience on this, too. I have had no luck getting the arm ache to stop using OTC pain meds. Right now I am taking Aleve for pain in the butt after I injured my hip, and it works pretty well for the hip pain, but I notice that my arm ache is not being helped. Arm is aching more than usual because of heat, I suspect, and I sure would love to find a pain reliever that helps it.

  • Dejaboo
    Dejaboo Member Posts: 2,916
    edited June 2013

    I have not found any OTC pain med that helps.

    I thought with LE we were to stay away from all but Acetaminophen/Tylenol  anyway....?   I read that any NSAID we were not supposed to take (they didnt help me anyway)

    I have tried Arnica Gel...Sometimes that seems to help....I usually dont think to use it though!  And Now that I wear a sleeve- It might be icky under there...It is kind of sticky.  I wonder about Arnica Pellets...

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited October 2013

    I am still taking percocet 7.5 . they were presribed for me by my pcp. because i have not had a day without pain from the day of my surgury. i do want to stop taking them eventually, but they are the only thing that allows me to have any kind of a quality of  life. Pain sucks, and before surgury i never took anything stronger than an advil. my neck, back between the shoulders, lymphedema, headache knees feet all hurt. i am supposed to see a rhuematoid arthritis dr soon, because chemo can and does cause that. and i had to stop arimidex, cause it was worsening all that,plus it gave me trigger finger. before arimidex, i was down to one percocet daily, cut in half. then i was back up to three. i refuse to feel guilty about it, my doctors go why are you still on that? i am 53, and felt just fine before all this and my job was very physical. i need to find a new line of work, because of my lymphema and the risk to my now osteopoenic bones. Can(not)cer sucks, as do the treatments for it. my mo is going to talk to my gyno there about putting me on tamox, but i really do not want to take the chance of getting endometrial cancer, cause i do not want to get lymphema in my legs too. id shoot myself first.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited October 2013

    I meant to say though that before bc, i did try arnica, and it does work for normal pain, plus i found this great stuff called topricin cream. o my god. it does work, it is full of arnica  and other good things, and is not contra indicated for cancer people, and i still use that even helps my "Big Arm" tho my docs and nurses are sceptical, you can get it online cheaper than health food stores, which is where i found out about it. i sent some to my mom and she swears it really helps her arthritis. which reminds me, i need to order some more for us both as we are getting low on it.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    kathec sorry to hear of your terrible issues. You are so right that pain sucks and I don't think you need docs laying a guilt trip on ya. Grrrr. that hacks me off no end when Med profession do that. Thx for the reco on topricin. I'll have to see if its available here in NZ.

    I too am interested in what meds can deal with this aching pain that I get a lot under my BC side arm and that arent going to cause other issues through SE's. As such, I generally put up with it

    What is percocet and Aleve? I Wonder what their equivalents are in NZ. I've found any OTC meds for pain are next to useless.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited June 2013

    Muscial: percocet is an opioid, it's oxycodone and acetaminophen, aleve is a "non-steroidal anti-inflammatory" in the US the generic name is naproxyn

    A few years ago a researcher out of Stanford said he got amazing results using ketoprofen--and he wrote me that when he used ibuprofen, people swelled, and we all waited with bated breath for the studies to come out--he only published one on rats' tails--and they were done, and supposedly showed great benefit and were never published and he won't answer emails about it....He said it was serendipity that he chose ketoprofen, a rarely used nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory and supposedly it helped LE. Still waiting.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2791214/

    I don't get a lot of pain in my arm, but after the hysterectomy, I lived on ibuprofen for three weeks and then weaned off it.

    There's a huge push in the US to avoid prescribing opioids, this is a pendulum swing after there were laws passed that adequate treatment of pain was mandated.

    My LE therapist swears by arnica. When I broke my hand, she came to my house and rubbed the gel on my incredibly swollen and purple, and yes it was my LE side, hand. Before they put the cast on. The morning after my hysterectomy, she came to the hospital and did MLD on my swollen face and my good arm where the IV infiltrated. She is an angel. I hadn't seen her for 5 weeks, and she said "Boy, was your face swollen"--they do the robotic surgery with your head below your feet for four hours.

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited June 2013

    I swear by arnica but I use it for my back pain.

    My GD takes the little tablets for pain and also loves it.

    I never used it for the LE pain.Im so afraid to used anything but ice...my breast and under my arm always hurts..It is kinda icky but it helps my back pain.im using it almost everyday....

    What do you think Kira about using it pon the breast?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    Seems there is the same push here Kira. Just this week I saw something on the news about how addictive oxycodon is and how it's causing many issues. Pretty sure thats how they spelt it, without the e on the end. After my surgery I had oxycontin. Its probabaly in the same family of opioids or another name for the same thing. It would be nice if we had ONE proper name for a certain med wouldn't it.

    Ive heard really good things about arnica. I grew it once years ago  but it sorta died out and I forgot about it. Should get some more..

    and he won't answer emails about it..

    If I understand you correct, you may be waiting a loooong time. There is much that is hushed up for various reasons.... statements like this naturally raise my suspicions that not only cancer, but health right across the board is BIG business and if something conflicts with certain peoples money interests it "gets laid to rest" . It's largely a case of follow the money trail.

  • Lainey64
    Lainey64 Member Posts: 740
    edited June 2013

    I just happened to have some Arnica cream so I put some on my shoulder and armpit area before bed last night (wasn't going to remove and redo the bandages!).  I plan to use it this again morning before rewrapping to see how it works.  I took one Tylenol PM last night and that helped with the achiness and I slept pretty good.  

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited June 2013

    Musical, I think the answer is "follow the money"--he told me three years ago he'd found ketoprofen to successfully treat LE, and did a clinical study on it, which can not be found on an internet search, but looking at his home page, his current studies involve flexitouch and impedimed

    http://med.stanford.edu/profiles/Stanley_Rockson/

    I had signed up for the LE registry, and when I found it was a trial designed to promote impedimed, and they'd created a misleading website that looked like a patient website for LE, but was really an advertisement and were posting women's stories on facebook, I withdrew, much to his consternation.

    I'd love to uncover the results of the ketoprofen trial on women with LE: I know it was done.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    Lainey would be intersting to see how you fare on the Arnica. Ive heard of Tylenol here so I have a look an refresh my mind on what that is. Gosh it would be good if BC.Org would put up a concise list of Drugs commonly used in BC treatments.

    Wow Kira, dont stop digging! it's great that you have had the fortitude to drill down and find this info. Was the trial with Caps or Gel? My take in situations like this is...theres only one way to brace this guy and that is directly. ie He's ALREADY admitted to success, he's already done a clinical study, then WHY WITHHOLD THE RESULTS?!?!?  Either the moneys not good enough or he's been shut up or both. When someone dose that it naturally leaves some unanswered questions - I know I know...this approach is for the brave and depends as always on extenuating circumstances.. From what youve said it appears to me if he's concerned about your withdrawal then he has another agenda..

    As far as Im concerned when anyone KNOWS and has PROVEN that something that is beneficial and alleviates the suffering of people, then withholds that info for any reason...commits a reprehensible  act.

    Ok since this med is new to me I looked up some links for NZ. and I came up with these variants...Seems this is in Cap form, Gel form (excerpt below) and injections for animals. I Also noted on a pdf data sheet (not shown here) seems to be quite a lot of warning about possible side effects...

    http://www.chemistdiscounter.co.nz/index.php?cPath=34_32

    QUOTE Excerpt:

    Oruvail Gel Oruvail Gel is a gel for rubbing into the skin and contains a substance called Ketoprofen. Ketoprofen is one of a group of medicines called non-steroidal anti-inflammatory analgesics (NSAI).

    Oruvail Gel is used to relieve pain and reduce swelling in a number of conditions affecting the joints and muscles.

    Purpose:
    Oruvail Gel works particularly well on inflammation of tendons, ligaments, muscles and joints due to trauma (e.g. sports injuries, sprains, strains and bruises), soft tissue rheumatism and localized rheumatic conditions, e.g. bursitis. For aches and pains, back, neck and shoulder pain. Oruvail Gel is available in 60gram tubes.

    Active Ingredient:
    Each tube contains: Ketoprofen 2.5%.

    UNQUOTE

  • hugz4u
    hugz4u Member Posts: 2,781
    edited June 2013

    Is our LE pain nerve based and if so then does a nerve med work better than other types of meds?

    I was told by my LEist  that the arnica gel works better than a creme.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    Hugz I absolutely think its nerve pain with all the cutting with nodes taken etc... but I'd also say its other pain like aching from "fullness".  I have different types of pain and burning pain is typically sysnonymous with neuropathy. Interesting about the gel. WOnder if the active ingredient is is more.

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited June 2013

    There is a other thread about the arnica...drs are actually telling sistas to take the pills before and after surgery...gonna try the pills now.

    I bought the cream by accident..lots of crap in it...I'm gonna stick with the gel and now try the pills.

    I love the fact that drs. Like it and its not a script.

    Hey big pharma..what do you think of that??

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited June 2013

    arnica pre and post surgery..that's the thread.had to write it fast before I forgot it.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    Hey big pharma..what do you think of that??

    Hear hear !!

    had to write it fast before I forgot it.

    lol .. that sounds familiar...

    Didnt know there were Arnica Pills ...I thought Arnica was poisonous taken internally... might be mixing it up with something else though.

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited June 2013

    musical, arnica pills are a homeopathic treatment, so the dose is teeny tiny.  I have some gel left from my post-surgical effort to reduce bruising, so I'll be slathering it on in a few minutes.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    Is the gel free of all the nasties Carol? With all the toxins in ... well you name it, you have to look at the labels of everything you buy. Then for those of us with sensitive skin we have look out for allergies.

    Allergy: Allergy to arnica has been recognised for several centuries with over 100 cases reported in the literature. Most cases appear to be from self treatment with tincture of arnica. Arnica contains a group of chemicals called the sesquiterpene lactones, notably helenalin and its esters. These chemicals are known to be strong allergens. Other allergens have also been found.

    http://www.dermnetnz.org/dermatitis/plants/arnica.html

    This looks like the one I grew.

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited October 2013

    Crap! Kira, I am so sorry you had to go thru that robotic surgury, 4 hours that way? sounds like you have a wonderful LE therapist! Ouch! your hand too. Ouch!   Also, when i take baths, epsom salts really seem to sooth my muscles and nerves.  My Grandma Lily, used to do that, i remember. She worked in the meat-packing industry in the twenties till the 1950s.

  • NickyJ
    NickyJ Member Posts: 722
    edited June 2013

    This thread is really interesting. I have fentanyl patches for mets pain in my neck and back, but this doesn't touch the pain I have constantly in my arm and hand from LE. Have LE in my leg and foot too, but this doesn't hurt so much despite badly swollen toes which affect my balance. My LE specialist, my GP and my onc all recommended using volterol gel to relieve the pain in my hand - my thumb and forefinger in particular are constantly swollen, to the extent that I can't use my thumb. The gel does help, the effect lasts about an hour. Still doesn't mean I can use my hand though

    Nicky

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