Summer 2013 Rads
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GoWithTheFlow: I think it's normal. I had a lumpectomy not a MX, but rads seemed to work up the whole surgery area and I couldn't lay on my left side. Even in the beginning prior to the skin issues.
Sciencegal- Honestly I think I am the exception not the norm for skin issues. almost everyone else seems to get through fine with just some redness/pinkness and a little burning. I worried initially because my complexion is very fair and I have never been able to tan. I have always just burned and peeled, and then started the whole process over again. However, my RO said that has nothing to do with radiation and will not necessarily predict how your skin will react. He said either you will or you won't have issues and there is no way to really predict it in the beginning.
Goldycat123- Welcome! There are some great women on this board. I have really found it super helpful (even on days I just need to vent). I hope you do too!
IamNancy- Yeah!!! Your almost done!!!!
Well....not a super day for me. The first day or two after a certain area of skin breaks down is the worst, and I have two more breakdown spots today. After about 3-4 days I either get used to the pain from that spot or it stops hurting as much. When I saw my nurse practitioner yesterday she was really worried about skin breakdown in the tumor area since it looks kind of bad already, and had me start putting the mepilex dressing on it as a precaution to stop any rubbing. It already really hurts so she is probably right. If this happens I think they better break out the morphine!! I will start my boosts this afternoon. So they will leave most of my other problem areas alone so they can hopefully start healing, but might make the tumor area worse. Sigh............
I start Tamoxifen next Friday. Initially I was more worried about it than the rads because I had heard so many bad stories of SEs from tamoxifen. But now.......eh,not so much. Maybe like everything else, I am just tired of worrying at this point.
Off to treatment.......Sending everyone gentle hugs and good vibes for a healing weekend!
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Heart, I hope your skin issues clear up and you don't have too many problems with the boosts.
Goldycat, welcome.
Krista, It was suggested I could do lumpectomy, but I needed chemo and rads regardless. I did BMX because my cancer was very aggressive, very fast growing, already in lymph nodes, and I'm triple negative.
Everything your breast surgeon tells you is an OPTION, not a requirement. You do have choices.
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Hello ladies, I have not been on in a while but wanted to check in and see how you all are doing and give some updates.
I have 4 treatments left and did really great with skin things until end of week 5 when my skin finally gave in and now my breast looks like someone took a blow torch to it. Unlike some of you, I did my 8 Acuboost first and that is the area that now looks the worst. Dark red and itchy. The nipple is pretty disfigured at this point (that is where my lumpectomy incision was) and it is also contantly pert as this point- nice huh?) wearing tank tops and going braless at home and that helps a lot!!
I am continuing with the coconut oil and it is rather remarkable as I can see if healing if I keep slathered in it between treatments. I have used NOTHING else and all the nurses say my skin has done remarkable well.
I start Tamo early July and went to a great support group at my clinic that helped me to be less nervous about the SE's.
I recently went to a luncheon and was feeling kind of sick and tired of this whole process- I sat next to a woman my age who happened to be in a wheelchair. She was lovely. Later I learned that she had been attacked in her home by an aquiantance, almost raped and shot in the back while trying to escape. She is a vital and happy person who likes to enter wheelchaor marathons. I'm sharing this because it is easy to get mired in the treatment but there are so many people out there suffering EVEN more than us and ATTITUDE is everything. This really helped me to take a deep breath and keep going.
So keep the faith & cheer going and know that you are loved and supported!!
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TGIF! A big welcome to the new folks and massive HUGS to the veterans on this site. I have had 12 of 15 RADS treatments with simultaneous boosts and my skin is a little painful but is doing just fine. My RO provided me with a Aloe Vera 100% Gel and another cream called Radiaplex Gel and using these two products 3 or more times daily has really been beneficial. I do have a little soreness under my left arm but for the most part, that is it! So sorry for those who are going through skin problems and pain. I will hope and pray that these issues resolve themselves very quickly and that everyone feels super terrific for the upcoming weekend. Peace, Prayers, Hugs, Luv and Blessings to you all today and everyday into the future.
Carolyn
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Just talked to surgeon who's spoken with two RO who both agreed I wouldn't need rad if BMX. Hurray! Pretty crazy to be happy about getting my boobs off but I sure am!!
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Krista good news you dodged the bullet! I am happy for you.
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Welcome newcomers. You will find a lot of support on this board as well as a place to vent!
I also have a lot of tightness. I guess it is normal but uncomfortable. I may need physical therapy again when this is all over.
I have had 27 bolus treatments, (intentionally directing the radiation at my skin) out of 30 and my doctor knew from the beginning that I would have skin breakdown. She is actually happy it took until this week to develop in a major way. Most of you newcomers will not have bolus or at least not every day so please do not be afraid, ok? I have found emu oil to be very soothing and my doctor thinks it helped me make it this far without a radiation vacation. She was pretty sure I would need one. Now I am using Medihoney, the emu oil, a special dressing, and a prescription from my RO. Now that my skin is compromised, the usual creams/gels burn like crazy. I learned not to use aloe on my broken skin the hard way. Big OUCH!
Heart--I share your pain. It is truly horrible, isn't it? My RO gave me a dressing yesterday in addition to my prescription, and I can also tolerate emu oil and medihoney. I am hoping the medihoney shortens the duration of healing. There have been some good reports that it helps with wound healing. It is awfully sticky, though. Percocet has become my friend, especially at night. Don't you wish we could just fast forward to the time when we will be out of this and healed?! Every time I feel sorry for myself, though, I think of the man I see every day who is getting radiation to his esophagus and has horrible sores in his throat. He just had a feeding tube put in and will get it out after he is healed. His cancer is gone but his throat is a mess! Very painful!
I plan to lay low this weekend. My RO is hoping for some improvement by the end of next week. This darn radiation continues to work even after our last treatment so healing can take some time. We will get there, though, right?!!!
Gentle hugs,
Linda 27/30 (Idesim 9/10ths done!!!!!)
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We will for sure get there.. home stretch in site!!! I'll be laying low with you Lin.. very uncomfortable now and so grateful to have 2 days off and only 3 more treatments to go. I'm not as bad off as you and Heart (gentle hugs to both of you), but I am experiencing a good bit of discomfort now. The good thing is the fatigue I experienced last week, does not appear to be present this week, so that's a bonus!
I am with you and Feif, when I start feeling sorry for myself, I could be going through something so much worse, like the poor ppl at the Boston Marathon who lost their limbs. Every day I pass Children's Hospital and seeing the sick kids puts me in check.
Have a great weekend everyone
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For those who have bolus daily, how many zaps each day and how many with bolus? I have two different bolus, and I am zapped twice with each daily. That concerns me a bit since I'm just at day 5. I have 6 total zaps but two are naked zaps.
My RO did say halfway through we would change my fields around so I didn't get too much radiation in one area.
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Question: how tired does Radiation make you feel ?
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Idesim--My best friend lives in Boston. Her apartment is on the marathon route, about five miles from the end. She and her husband were watching on Patriots Day, as many, many people were. The bombings were so traumatic for all Americans but especially for you Bostonians. Such a lovely city and a grand celebration - - violated like that! And the injured children really break our hearts. I go to an adult cancer center, MD Anderson in AZ, and I don't see any kids' centers in passing either. Suffering children really put things into perspective.
GoWithTheFlow - - I had two fairly long (to me anyway) bolus treatments each day. No treatment was without bolus. There are different thickness bolus also. You could ask about the total "grays" that you are getting. I think that is the correct terminology. I hope your RO is receptive to questions. We sometimes need the piece of mind that comes with answers or at least need to know the path we are on and why. I hope you have some joy this weekend. This cancer journey is so complicated, isn't it?
Gentle hugs
Linda 27/30 -
I grew up in Boston. That was a very sad day.
Thank you lin for the information. I will talk to the other RO next week since mine is on vacation (I will meet with him/her on Wednesday but will look for him/her on Monday or ask the nurse). She's receptive to questions, but I always feel like rads is such a rush.
When I asked my MO why I had to have rads from my collarbone to the bottom of my ribs, from the midle of my chest to under my arm, she said it was because I had been full with cancer before chemo. That scared me and I don't know if I should just go along with everything because I just don't want to know more. I just want to know that I've fought this with every tool that was given to me.
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Krista8758, for DCIS I would think bi mast is overly agressive. The rate of recurrence for lumpectomy & radiation vs mastectomy is about the same. But you have to do what you're most comfortable with.
There's some good info about proven lifestyle changes that reduce risk of recurrence also, like reducing or eliminating alcohol consumption, exercising more, maintaining healty weight, and taking vitamin d3 supplements and low dose aspirin.
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And Goldycat123, a lot of people don't notice any fatigue from the radiation treatments at all. I haven't recovered yet from my chemo-induced fatigue, so I don't think I would notice a little more from rads. I've had 15 out of 25 radiation treatments so far and I'm able to work fulltime and go for a walk every day.
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Goldycat~~I just had my first radiation appointment today. What an awesome team!
They did the ct scan, tattoos, and talked me through the entire process. The RO told me the fatigue from rads is more of a groggy feeling. Not so much like the bone weary tiredness we had from chemo.
I start on July 1, so I still have several days to regain more strength.
I'm looking forward to starting this last leg of the BC journey. Of course, I will still take arimidex for at least 5 years, but that's ok.
Paula -
AnnieLane - Your information on what you are able to do with rads is inspiring! I start "sometime" this summer and have been worried about it. I am also concerned about any part of my lungs being damaged. I am a wind player and my breath control is very important to me.
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GoWithTheFlow--
Radiating up to the collarbone further increases the odds for lymphadema so I think one question to ask is about your node status pre and post chemo/surgery. The nodes drain into successive areas so it is important to know how far the malignancy may have gone when determining radiation. If there is any indication that those nodes up high could have been/or still are positive, then they radiate there. My RO did not radiate that high on me because the indication was that those nodes had never been positive. At least one node further down had been positive before chemo so my underarm is getting hit. It all gets very complicated and it is ok to not always want all the information. It can feel overwhelming. And while there always has to be some trust in our medical team, they do need to answer any questions we have because it is our body so ultimately the treatment decisions are ours.
Cricketsandfrogs--I teach flute so I understand your concern for wind. My breathing has held up well through chest radiation, 27/30 done, but my RO said pleurisy can be a complication, usually two or more months in the future. Any pain breathing and I will call immediately. It is treatable. I hope your lungs fare well throughout treatment!
Linda 27/30 -
Lin - that info is interesting.. I seldom ask any questions when I am at rads but later wish I had ... my underarm is so dark it looks bruised, my breat is pink like sunburn... I didn't have any positive nodes so wondered why they spent so much time on that area.. anyway, I think I have 4 more treatments to go and they said they have to recalibrate everything as now they will only focus on the tumor area - tumor is gone but the area around it I guess they mean.
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cricketsand frogs, you need to sit down with your RO and ask about potential lung damage. Mine had no problem telling me that the very top, a small percentage, of my right lung will have some damage that should not noticeably affect me. I also asked about my heart, and he said that my heart is "a zip code away from the beam." Whew!
Everybody is different as to where the focus of the radiation is. You have a very valid concern; ask your doctor.
Carol
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Goldycat123- I have had some rads fatigue issues but they have not been horrible. It is a different kind of fatigue. It is not like when you have been doing something all day and slowly get tired and wind down. This fatigue hits quickly. One minute you are zipping along through your day and the next you have lead in your arms and legs and are done.
So glad it is going well for you so far Soteria!
Lin43- I agree with you. There are people I see everyday at radiation that are way worse off than me. I see a woman who is maybe 30ish who has stage IV lung cancer with mets to her brain. Her lung rads are burning her esophagus so badly she needs numbing meds to even drink water. But when a new area breaks down or an old area breaks down further it is just sometimes hard to keep this in focus. However the end is in sight. I think you and Idesim are done on Wednesday right ? I am done on Thursday and I think IamNancy is done then too.
Gentle hugs to everyone, and wishes for a healing weekend to everyone struggling. You are all in my thoughts. -
Lin, I know they biopsied two nodes when I first went to the BS. Both were positive. Chemo killed everything, nothing showed up in pathology after my surgery. they removed 6 nodes and nothing was found. I know my tumor was large, not sure of the size. Will check on that monday. It was also very aggressive and painful (pulling nerves under my arm because it grew so fast) and I"m triple negative.
My MO said they are radiation such a big area because there was so much cancer in me when I first was seen. I know that my surgeon and both oncologists all agreed I needed radation and they've given me very good care so far.
But I will talk to the RO this week
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I have not had ANY radiation-induced fatigue at all. Amazing because chemo knocked me for a loop. My skin is still doing and looking good and I only have THREE treatments left. For my next trick in July, I must have a salpingo oophorectomy (tubes and ovaries removed) so I can be placed on some stupid drug (the Ai's) for 5-10 years. Saw a WONDERFUL GYN docotr on Firday and she mentioned that she would use Robotics for my surgery because of my history of endometriosis. Whoopee! She said that the surgery would be long but the rehab. time would not be too bad. I hope she is right! HUGS to all here today and Happy Sunday. Enjoy y'all!
Carolyn
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cmbernardi - so glad for you that you haven't had the fatigue or skin problems.. I will be on one of the same meds as you -anastrozole..scares me as the side effects look dangerous...but why borrow trouble worrying about it, I guess.
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Since I started rads at the end of May I've been posting in the Spring rads thread but seems like it's a good time to move to Summer.
I just finished 19/33 and have been using Avalon Organics Unscented Aloe Hand and Body Lotion on the skin in the dressing room right after treatment. When I get home (and again at bedtime) I smear Eucerin cream on the skin. It's very thick and white so can smear on good and thick. So far there's barely any redness but the nipple is very sore.
I began to have some skin roughness in the crease and the nurse suggested to use Lotrimin cream there. It has helped to smooth the skin quite a bit. She also suggested using a lighter lotion, not the Eucerin cream, in order to let the skin "breathe". But when I did that some red patches appeared. So back to the Eucerin cream and the red has faded quite a bit.
Not sleeping well probably due to anxiety. The machine broke as I was on the treatment table. There I was with my feet strapped to the table, calling and calling the tech. She of course knew the machine was broken but couldn't hear me because the speaker was blocked. Finally they moved me to another machine. Sheesh.
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Hi Ladies,
Please I need some advise. I am stage IIB with 3 positive nodes. Had right breast mastectomy in Feb, started chemo mid March and my last chemo will be this end of July. My BS said I don't need radiation, but saw RO this week, will need 6.5 weeks of radiation to start in Sept. I was hoping no radiation so I can live my life again. I am deciding to go with radiation or not ? any thought will be appreciated.
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Hi study, there are trials that concluded that, even after mastectomy, chances of recurrence in the local area, including nodes, go down quite a bit with radiation. For my particular case I have 60% no recurrence without rads and 85% with rads.
I also did not want to do it and am dreading it. But I want to throw every tool available at this dang disease so I am starting rads later this week. The stats are clear for me,
I know it is a big decision. Ask your RO for the stats for your particular disease if you are undecided- you can weigh risk vs. benefit for YOU. We are all individual.
I hope everyone is having a restful weekend. I have been on a housecleaning blitz before my friends arrive this afternoon so hadnt caught up with all the posts.
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sciencegal -- thanks !!
I'll do whatever it takes. I am scare to start radiation after reading all those skin S/E that some of you had to endure. Especially I'll be working during the tx. I wonder how you girls deal with working and S/E ?? any tips ??
thanks!!
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study, the side effects for radiation are not as bad as for chemo. If you can make it through chemo, rads are a walk in the park (according to everyone I've talked to). I'm only 5 treatments in (of 28) so far so good. A little pink, need pain meds to sleep at night, but otherwise, doing well.
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I was scared too and so many girls on this thread are having such awful problems, i wondered if it was everyone?
I started a post, "did anyone come through rads wth their skin okay"? and lots of people wrote in that yes they did, just minor pinking, etc. I will bump that post up for you.
It helped me to get some balance, to see that it might be ok or at least not horrible.
I sure hope we both can go through without such bad problems as some of the women on this thread are having. My heart goes out to you who are suffering. At least, if that does happen to me i will know what to expect.
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Completed #10 this last Friday. Yay! Only 16 regular + 8 boosts to go!
I was busy all day yesterday, but it sure is nice to take a break and stay home today. I've been a bit tired at the end of the day but I'm not sure if that's because of the rads or because of the schedule. It's such a pain to get there every day for a 10 minute appointment, but oh well. A couple of days last week I was just drop-down tired around 4 pm, but managed to work through it and got to bed only slightly earlier than my regular time. I've decided to take the bus (and street-car) into town each day for my radiation. I'm in a rural/suburban area and would have to travel into the city, about 20 miles each way, during rush hour, and who needs that stress? It's also a lot cheaper, given the price of gas these days. Plus I can catch up on my reading. BUT, I have to leave earlier and it's a bit more effort so I'm thinking that may be why I'm so tired in the afternoons.
As for my skin, I feel blessed to be able to say so far so good. I put on my aloe gelly right after treatment. Found this 99% aloe gelly in the health food section of the store from "Lily of the Desert," and it's only $3.95 a tube so I just slather it on. Later I put the sweet almond oil on both breasts (and lately my face, too--am loving the stuff!) Although I'm only a bit less than 1/3 of the way through, so far my skin looks great. Maybe a tiny bit of pinking, but not much so far. I'm sure it'll probably get worse but doing well so far.
As for pain, honestly I can't tell. I still have pain and weird sensations from the surgery so really it's not much different. I don't think I'd necessarily recognize a new pain at this point. My nipple is a bit pinker, but it has no feeling at all since my nipples were completely removed and reattached as skin grafts, so maybe that's a blessing at this point.
Anyway...getting through this one step at a time!
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