DIEP 2013
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Goldie - the BMX drains can be placed differently than the post DIEP drains. I would have never dreamed of pulling the BMX drains as they were much longer and circled around. They actually hurt! The DIEP drains are placed differently. And remember, we are pulling these drains ourselves because our doctors have okayed it.
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Sorry, Marty. I misunderstood. The only experience I have had with drains was for the BMX, and you are right, the went round and round inside there. It was such a weird feeling when they were pulled out.
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Another point about the drains - there are drains that have a different "end side " that may be flat and have perforations in the side that is deep inside you! My Dr doesn't use those and said they really should be off the market - so best not to pull UNLESS YOUR PS says to, as Marty said. My DD pulled mine as my PS was on the other end of the speaker phone walking her through it on 4th of July weekend! She was surprised as I was to see it keep coming and coming out if me!
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The pain of the drain lies mainly in the brain. And I, for one, am now drain free. And I totally went to Victoria's Secret and bought new, pretty-girl panties. I hereby swear never again will a pair of Hanes cotton briefs touch this body again (ok that's probably not true but it feels good to say today). When this breast swelling goes down I am going to have to get a part-time job to support my new lingerie addiction.
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Bailey - check with your PS to see if underwires are allowed before you spend the big $$$. Mine prefers we not wear underwires while we go through the process. I can't believe how prevalent underwires are now. When I had my BMX 28 years ago they were hard to find. Imagine my shock when I was cruising the bra market after my DIEP. Wow, times sure have changed.
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Thanks, Marty, will do....but I have never liked the danged underwires much anyway. What drives me nuts these days is the copious amount of padding in everything...like a DD cup needs a quarter inch of padding....Really???? Maybe now that I will be smaller I won't mind so much but wow.
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Today I went to my last plastic surgein appointment for awhile. My abdominal incision kept opening up because my body was rejecting the internal sutures. Finally, it is healed. My husband, who has been unemployed thru the whole bc experience just got a possible job offer. Finally looking like summer here and we thought that we were just beginning to peak our heads out of the hole. This afternoon my 18 year old son told me that he is gay. It's something I have suspected at times but he never gave any inclination that he was. I don't have anything against gay people and I love and will support my son, I know I will get thru this like I am bc, it's just too much to take at once. I feel like God hates me and is just using me as a punching bag.
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How lovely your son could tell you.....and that is your third thing now so you will be ok....not being flippant but it sounds like now the pressure is easing you can feel......its uch a challenge isnt it, hugs to you
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Aww, Lilyun - big hugs!!
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Good afternoon ladies, I just got all four drains pulled at PS office today and rigt msx path report came out clear. I am exhausted because I went so long going to dr. Appointments today and plan to rest. Congrats to othes who got their drains pulled and those going into surgery! It begs better and better the further past surgery that I get!
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Hi all!
I'm new, so here's a bit about what I've been going through. Since birth, my PCPs noticed a difference in my breasts. My left breast did not grow (I have a nipple but was pretty flat), while my right breast was about a DD. When I was 18 (1998), I had a reduction on the right side, and got a saline implant in the left. It made me symetrical, but I lost feeling in the left side, and it has always felt very firm compared to the right natural breast (which was reduced and now I am a 36C-D).So, I am no stranger to breast surgery. I was very thankful that my parents supported this descision, because of the trauma a young woman goes through internally with such a thing.... always having to hide this in the locker room etc. I managed a normal social life despite it, because I had a prosthetic breast that I used prior to the surgery to "even me out." I was never diagnosed as having any specific "syndrome"-oftentimes I am asked whether I have Poland's syndrome, but I don't believe I do. Not quite sure why this happened.
Now, I'm 32, about to be 33 on Thursday. I have not had any children as my life hasn't led me in that direction yet, though it is something I want eventually.
I felt a lump in my left breast (the one with the saline implant) 2 years back. At that time, I was told it was a cyst and that it would be ok to just keep an eye on it. I have had Mammograms and Ultrasounds every 6 months since, and in April, they found "Architectural Scarring" in my left breast. The actual growth/scar makeup was indeterminate, so my surgeon advised a partial lumpectomy. The pathology report came back showing .7cm IDC. VERY small. But, the margins did not appear clear, and they felt that it arose out of DCIS.
I am otherwise healthy, and do not have the BRCA gene mutation. I got a second opinion and an MRI-why my first surgeon never ordered one prior to my lumpectomy is beyond me. I'm angry at myself for not having requested one before, but my surgeon truly felt this was nothing of concern, though he told me, "I won't sleep at night if I let this go." Good thing he didn't. I am now proceeding with my second opinion team, whose pathology lab feels that there is NO DCIS, and my margins appear clear.
My plan of attack is left mastectomy with DIEP. I'm very nervous about being under anesthesia for so long and am finding this thread VERY helpful-thank you all! My father lives in Singapore, and would like to come home to PA for my surgery, however scheduling constraints have him tied up until August 15th. I am pushing the surgery back unhappily. This weighs on me every day....but I would really like for him to be here for support.
Now my questions-anyone from Lehigh Valley PA out there going through this? Any women who have not yet had children? I am very confidant in my PS-he has been great thusfar. He gave me his cell# but I have been back and forth about using it.
GOOD LUCK to all of you coming up on surgery, and GREAT JOB to those going through recovery now! You're all in my thoughts. I am loving the humor on here as well-BRING THE FUNNY! We all need it right now!
Love,
jenny*~
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Bailey....congrats on the "new you"!!!!! It is truly a liberating feeling when that last drain goes. Perfect reward....lingerie shopping! I'm like you, never did find underwires comfortable, and now...they're everywhere, with 6" pads to boot!!!!! So not the look I'm after!
Lilyun....for the moment...focus on the things that make you happy. You're healed and hubby's employment status is looking better. Your son's announcement is "hard", but because it probably takes away the "life you had imagined" for him, not because he won't have a good life. He must truly love you AND trust in your ability to accept him. That says only positive things about both of you. I have lots of experience in "shattered dreams" with my 2 kids, you learn to accept, adapt, move on, whatever. Their lives certainly aren't close to what we "hoped" for them, but at the worst times, I try to remind myself that parenthood, relationships, jobs, health.....none of it comes with any guarantees, so just "get on with it". It is hard, though, when just as you seem to get both feet on the ground, WHAM, something else comes along. ((((X))))
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Welcome to the group Jenny!
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Jenny...cybercrossing of posts. WOW, you have certainly been through it! I'm so glad you have found a surgeon that you like, if he gave you his number, he means he expects and is ok with your questions.....use it, when you have some. I can tell you from my own experience, that a flap breast will likely feel much more like your natural breast than the implant ever did. However, the pregnancy post diep is a question we have not had on this thread. I hope you are able to find some answers to that. Hard to be getting different feedback on your margins, etc. too. Do you have an Oncologist as well as a PS? That should be factored into your decisions too, I would think. Don't beat yourself up about "what you should have/could have done"....just try to keep moving forward. Likely nothing would be any different anyway. Hope you stay with us, and that we can help you out. Certainly, there is enough "crazy" to go around!!!!!!
sweetpickle.....wowzer....all 4 drains at the same time!!!!! I bet you feel like a whole new person!!!!! Congrats on the daily, forward progress!!! AWESOME PATH REPORT TOO!!!!!
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Jenny, there is someone new on this thread from Huntington Valley PA a few pages back. I am from Pittsburg PA. If you are planning to have children, you may want to discuss that with your doctors whether DIEP is for you. I do know one young lady who is going through BC who has not had children yet, but I don't think she is having DIEP. She is a very lively and upbeat person. If you want to get in touch with her, I will try to get her contact info for you. please pm me. (((hugs))) Tammy
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Lilyun- I've often wished for a pause button in life so I could handle one piece at a time....or at least take a breather. Come up for air, darlin'....it'll all be ok. You are the 2nd person this week I have heard say you feel like God's punching bag. Gosh, I understand the feeling but truly don't believe it works that way. I have a sign in my house that says, "The Will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you." Try to rely on His Grace....it is there.
Jenny -welcome! I am 47 with teenagers and live in Michigan, so I got nothing to answer your questions, sorry! I can say having support (in the form of another person who is physically with you) at the time of surgery is pretty important. If your dad is "your person" then probably worth the wait. Glad you found us...it is a good place to "be".
Kuka - thinking of you today....any answers on that knee? -
Jenny-
I've had 3 c-sections so I can't imagine a DiEP preventing pregnancy. They don't remove the entire muscle, only a small section of it to flip up basically. They also use mesh to close any gaps to prevent hernias. You can also ask if your surgeon will do a free flap - which is what I'm doing. Basically, he takes the fat and skin - reattaches the blood supply with microsurgery - and voila. New boob, flat stomach. The only difference really is that no muscle tissue is involved, only the veins, arteries, etc and the fat. So - with that - I can't imagine it would interfere with pregnancy, only a situation where you might want to not gain a ton of weight or be overly active while your belly is sticking out. Just my two cents - not a doc - but - can't imagine it would be a huge problem for you. Good luck with everything - I'd wait for your support. It's really important to have someone there holding your hand.
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Jenny - there is a forum on breastcancer.org for young women with BC and there are threads there about pregnancy after bc so you might want to check those out, too, if you haven't (but we are WAYYYY funnier, I bet).
Hugs!
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Jennie.....just had a thought....maybe contacting the NOLA people? They do a wider variety of flap types there and may well have some alternative ideas for younger bc ladies who are still considering the option of pregnancy. I don't believe they provide onco. treatments, though, so again, maybe getting opinions on that may be a good move. Never hurts at this stage of the journey, to get as much reliable info as you can.
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Just got back from the doctor and I have bursitis. Had never heard of it! And surprise, surprise, it's from doing too much too soon. He gave me a shot on my knee, that hurt like hell and I'm supposed to take it easy the next couple of weeks:(
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Hey.....of all the things it COULD HAVE BEEN, bursitis is a pretty good option!!! If he didn't already explain, it's an inflammation of the bursa (fluid sac around the joint). Totally resolvable....if you behave!!!!!!! Doesn't mean any long-term damage was done......eat "healthy", behave yourself......things should be good!!!!! Life lesson learned...you can't always "pound away at something and expect success"! Thanks for updating...we've been thinking of you.
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Dyvgrl, imagine having a football sized surface area removed from your tummy. It is not the same as c-section, so I don't know.
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And another damn thing (sorry for all the separate posts....I am lost without my "drain advantage")....
My huge SWELLING is actually receding slowly and I am looking more bruised than before and the other sort of weird thing is all of the skin on the "belly" portion of the noob is peeling off.....not deep just really superficial.....like after a light sunburn. I wonder if getting STRETCHED during all the swelling just broke down the cells on the top layer??? Nothing really of concern to me....more just sharing experience.
I wonder what day will be the first day I go all day without thinking about breasts? -
HH - sounds great - 6 months! I can't wait. Sounds like you are doing well.
Baily - I get it, but don't take away the comfort of my 'granny panties'. I will oneday shop exclusively at Victoria's Secret. Until then, I'll hold onto a few pairs of the comfy cottons. YAY on losing drains. I, too, had a little skin peeling, like you said very very thin layer. Mine was just around the edges of the scars.
lilyun - roller coaster that is our lives, has so many twists and turns. Son is out, you will deal with it fine. Just be happy for him that he can now be who he is and some of his stress and fears will be releived.
I had a decent day of outings today. I took my sister to her post op appt. (she had toe surgery the Monday before my DIEP). Her wound looks great. We compared wounds. Her doctor's recpetionist talked to me the whole time. Her daughter had DIEP last year and we were chatting about recovery. So, doctors appt., lunch at Red Lobster, stopped at a thrift store just because it was there and didn't buy a thing. I then realized I have not bought myself anything really since my diagnosis and first surgery. I'm not so unsure where my body will be. I have only bought real necessities. Now I'm looking forward to a shopping trip. Next year, maybe?
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Ok I need to vent... Tomorrow I get my port placed, have more tissue removed to widen the margins (supposedly to lower the dosage of rads). They didn't bother to tell me they rescheduled 2 hrs earlier, I saw a note on the paperwork I was mailed about removing some fluid from my TE ( I assume prior) then when I asked both offices, neither knew what I was talking about. My PS tech says just come in an hour prior to your check in time and I'll remove 100 ccs. I'm fuming at the moment. NO ONE is communicating!!
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Jenny, perhaps a SGAP or PAP might work, SGAP is upper gluts and pap is under your buttucks/upper inner thigh - neither of these should in anyway hurt chances of pregnancy. I had both and done by fantastic Drs in Charleston - and Bailey is right, this forum is addicting and way too funny to miss!
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WOW Thanks ladies!
My PS did assure me that the way he performs this surgery is the least invasive way possible. He told me that women who have had c sections can have this done as well.
The drawing he did of my breast showed a circle being replaced rather than a football shape because he said the area the my surgeon needs to replace is not too far around my nipple. I asked him all kinds of drain questions yesterday thanks to you all as well.
NIHAHI-Yes, my surgeon is great. Very intelligent and i love her. HOWEVER, one caveat-when i mentioned the diep, she asked me why i was thinking of that. Reason being, she felt this would be such a simple surgery since i currently have an implant. She seemed to lean toward just inflating my current 15 year old saline implant to save on the impact to my body. But I told her that I am 32, healthy, have a pouch that I've hated for the last 10 years, and do not like the feel of the implant, plus it's been in there for a long time. I was looking to look and feel more natural if at all possible, and not have the worry of future issues or surgeries that the implants bring. And who knows what more serious conditions one may develop in the next bunch of years-maybe then when I need a new implant surgery will be risky for me. I have no reason to suspect anything- but you never know. Then she said she would support me 100%. That upset me for a second, but then I thought maybe she was just making sure I fully understood the weight of this surgery, so i am appreciative of that. Thank you for the vote of confidence about his cell. If I call him I will be sure to report back!
More soon. Dream fields low carb pasta with artichoke hearts time!
Xo,
Jenny -
Has anyone come up with a great solution for drains- as in where to attach/keep them? After my mx they gave me a really nice camisole with pockets for the drains. I won't be able to wear that after diep though so I am wondering what to do with them. I have a lanyard but I was hoping someone had a better solution than that.
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Damiana- I just safety-pinned mine to the waist band of my pants or skirts and wore long, rather flowy blouses to cover them up for company. I did have to dress up a bit once at about two weeks and then brought them up through through the arm of my sleeveless dress and pinned them to the inside, side seam of a loose cardigan.
At night I just pinned them to the waistband of my pj's and threw on a robe or sweater so kids and DH didn't have to look lol.
Sleep well tonight, we will be thinking of you tomorrow! -
Bailey, my foobs peeled as well. Nothing major. When I asked my ps about it he said its normal because of all the stress the skin is been through. He said to apply Aquaphore on it and it worked!
Nihahi, I promise I'm going to behave. I would rather have DIEP done all over again than get that shot on my knee!! All I have to do now is stretches and leg exercises. Ice it three times a day and rest. Right now it hurts so bad I can't even bend it. But I think it will be much better tomorrow after the steroids start working.
Sorry Jenny I didn't say welcome earlier.
Damiana, good luck tomorrow. Which hospital are you having it done at? I'll be at Baylor in Fort Worth visiting my ps tomorrow!
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