Thinking out loud and wondering.....

sarajaneevans
sarajaneevans Member Posts: 187

1. How many of you diagnosed with IDLC  went into surgery expectiong a lumpectomy and woke up with a mastectomy?

2. Who among you had a lumpectomy, first surgery and then returned for a mastectomy due to the cancer returning?

thanks.

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  • Pattysmiles
    Pattysmiles Member Posts: 954
    edited May 2013

    I don't exactly fit either of your scenarios.



    I went In For partial masectomy(aka lumpectomy).

    The doctor took wide margins (wanted a cancer free area around the cancer, aka "margins") and found cancer in that area, and that left me a smaller area of clean margins so she wanted to go back in to take out some more "margin area" and make sure it was clean.



    Instead of finding the three tumors seen on MRI they found 6. , granted they are all small, but it disturbed me that they did not all show on MRI.



    This got me to thinking, do i really want to go backin for wider margins, and then have to live with the idea that cancer might come back after chemo and radiation? Why didn't the MRI show everything? It bothered me and I decided to have go with a masectomy. (Will be in the fall). I ruled out implants (for me, seems like work to maintain), I ruled out the TRAM flap reconstruction (involves taking core muscle to help build new breast- and I have a bad back, all i hear from doctors is "strengthen your core") and then i read about. DIEP flap on the boards here and it sounds great. No artificial parts, all me, and no use of muscle.



    Read the boards and there are so many variations of the questions you ask.

    I finally sat down and wrote my pro/cons of lumpectomy vs. masectomy to decide on my second surgery. After I did that I will not second guess my decision, which was important to me. I am 99% sure this is what I want, and lets face it, can't get much closer to 100%!



    Btw,I am 47, 3 children..youngest is 10. No family history of cancer. This was my first diagnosis. One of my tumors was considered aggressive. Those are some of the factors that might come into play when making a decision as to treatment.



    Hope you find what you are looking for!

    Pat



  • sarajaneevans
    sarajaneevans Member Posts: 187
    edited May 2013

    Thanks so much Pat, Your paragraph three is where I am -- My surgery is the May 16th-I have read so many posts on this board, reading them is what has me asking questions now at this late date, I kind of know what to ask-- its been so overwhleming tying to arm myself with information-

    One minute I am thinking I will have the lumpectomy, recover -come home same day- return to normal activities after a day- begin my radiation in a month or so, be on a pill for 5 years and then I am good to go...then my deeper thoughts say, really? Is it that simple?

    I just had my 68th birthday. I had three aunts on both mother and fathers side of the family who had BC-My first diagnosis as well- my surgeon said mine is not detectible on a mammogram and has likely been growing 2-3 years-that part freaks me out--

    My diagnosis is IDLC

    Sooooo, none of these tests we go through are foolproof-  

    Thanks for taking the time to post, I appreciate your input- 

    Good luck to you!!

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited May 2013

    How are you getting on SaraJean?

  • sarajaneevans
    sarajaneevans Member Posts: 187
    edited May 2013

    Thanks for asking Lilly55-I'm good I guess- I had my lumpectomy on the 16th- most painful part of that whole day, (of my life I think) was the SN dye injection- I was supposed to go back last thursday for the final pathology report, but the surgeon was detained in surgery so I have been rescheduled for tomorrow for that appt. The surgeon did say the nodes were clear, so I think that has to be good news- I don't know how that news reflects on the original diagnosis- hopefully, I will discover that tomorrow as well. I'm still pretty confused with the whole thing- Does it just take time to get it all sorted out or am I just slowwwwwwwwwwww...

    How are you doing?

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited May 2013

    I had begged for bilateral mastectomy but my surgeon insisted on lumpectomy to see what we were dealing with first.  After lumpectomy, several of the doctors thought rads and the surgery I had was all I needed.  I pressed and pressed and finally they agreed to do the bx mx.

  • Toni2013
    Toni2013 Member Posts: 2
    edited June 2013

    Hi,

    I am new to these boards, diagnosis on 5/2.  Since then, I had a lumpectomy on 5/22 and am scheduled for mastectomy on 6/18.  LIke Pattismiles - my story is smiliar - no clear margings post lumpectomy and found more sites than showed on the MRI - which scared me.  With that information, my BS suggested the mastecomy. I, too, will have a DIEP once treatment is concluded.  I don't have my oncotype dx back yet, so I don't know about chemo and treatment yet.  Right now, I am focused on surgery on the 18th.

    So, my story doesn't quite fit the 2 sceanarios that started this post, though I think it still applies.

    This whole adventure has been a whirlwind of everyday getting more pieces of information.  I'm holding strong to the fact that my nodes are clear and that the Mastectomy on the 18th will not have to do any additonal node work.  I am 50, 2 kids - in college - a working mom and needing to stay that way! 

  • sarajaneevans
    sarajaneevans Member Posts: 187
    edited June 2013

    I had my final pathology consult with my surgeon on  May 28th- we were not prepared for the results we were givien- One of SN was positive for cancer so I am returning on June 7th for a port to be put into place to administer chemo and for the surgeon to do wider margins- Meet with the oncologist on June 14th and hopefully at that time will get a complete explanation about what all the numbers mean.The tumor was 7 cm-the good news is the RT Breast was b-9 so that was good to hear ....

    Good luck to you Toni-keep the faith and only positive thoughts-

  • Pattysmiles
    Pattysmiles Member Posts: 954
    edited June 2013

    Sarajaneeva, sorry about the positive node. You will do fine on the chemo, read the boards and see what to stock to deal with the side effects. There really is a ton of info out there. I just posted a list in the may 2013 chemo thread, should only be a page or two back....as for the length of time the cancer has been growing within us, apparently a few years seems to be the standard answer, in my case the doctor said 5-7 years...meaning "slow growing", yet ne of the tumors was aggressive. Yes, very scary when we think of it. Don't dwell though.



    Toni, great news that your nodes are clear. I hope you don't need to do the chemo, but if you should please know itIS doable (I just finished my second round this week). Make sure to read the DIEP board so you can learn what to expect. I almost can't wait to get my surgery done, yet I don't want it....ugh. Wishing you all the best on your surgery date.



    Pat



  • sarajaneevans
    sarajaneevans Member Posts: 187
    edited June 2013

    @Pat-thanks for this-I copy/pasted and printed out your list-- thank you so much for making the effort to post it for all of us who are new to this coming treatment- I am constantly overwhelmed by the courage of you woman who post here- I get nauseated and sweat bullets just reading your experiences-you are true warriors in every sense of the word- I applaud each and every one of your for your bravery- I know you are doing what you have to do but you do it with such class and grace-I salute you all..((huggs to all of you)))

  • sarajaneevans
    sarajaneevans Member Posts: 187
    edited June 2013

    We triumphed today (: Saw my surgeon and we finally got clean margin results!! Smile

    Met with my oncologist- I am having a Pet Scan on Wednesday, next- and then I will see him the following Friday. I managed to get a stage number from him(2) and when I asked about the grade, he said intermediate, so I guess that means middle.  Sooo, still no real break down on the pathology report and what it all means exactly. He did say I will need chemo and that I will loose my hair- Probably 6 treatments, 1 q 3 weeks, lasting about 3 hours. He said he will a have more definite treatment plan once he sees he scan results.

  • kar123
    kar123 Member Posts: 273
    edited June 2013

    Hi Sarajane,

    My diagnosis is very similar to yours.  I just came up on my 3 yr "heard the news" anniversay yesterday and it will be 3yrs from surgery come Novemember (I had chemo before surgery).  Chemo is very doable.  It's not fun by any means, but you can do it.  Oncology nurses are usually the best, so if you have any symptoms that bother you even a little bit, let them know.  They have an aresenal of knowledge to help you get through.  Best of luck!  You will get through this!!!

  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited June 2013

    Hi All,

    I am new to this group.  I was just diagnosed with ILC on June 12th.   I am torn between lumpectomy or mastectomy.  One surgeon is recommending lumpectomy another said mastectomy.  She was nervous about radiation for me as I am 39.  There is no family history but have done genetic testing and waiting for results. Reading all posts about ILC it seems scary to me that this hides and may be better to go for mastectomy.

     I am still kinda in shock.  It is really unbelievable that this is happening.  I went in for routine gyn exam and gyn felt something that was probably nothing but sent me for mammo and US.  Well on mammo that area was fine but checked with US and found mass underneath. The one surgeon told me i had guardian angel bc ILC is so hard to pick up on mammo and US

    Sending positive thoughts to all of those out there....

  • Toni2013
    Toni2013 Member Posts: 2
    edited June 2013

    Igkgde13:  Welcome - yet always wish we could meet under other circumstances.  I am just 1.5 months ahead of you in diagnosis, and consistently feel overwhelmed with the new information I seem to get almost every day.

    My  ILC was found just like yours, though a routine exam.

    Since dx, I have found a surgeon I trust and connected with.  I did the lumpectomy (actually a quadectomy - they took 25% of my right breast) only to find out we didn't have clear margins, and the pathology report showed more sites than found on the MRI. This past Tuesday I had the right mastectomy.  My nodes are clear and the goal at this point is to hear on Monday that now indeed all my margins are clear. 

    Hindsight is always 20/20, and I suspect had I known that there were more sites than we knew about up front, I would have and my BS would have suggested a mastectomy from the start. 

    But, we didn't know, and though the choice was offered to me, at the time I truly felt that if all could be removed with a lumpectomy I would have been thrilled.  I also knew up front that if margins were not clear, I would have the mastectomy.  So...yes, I took the chance, knowing that I could always go back for more. I made the best informed decision I could at the time, and I am at peace with where I have been thus far. 

    I am 4 days post my right mastectomy and besides the drains that are driving me crazy, I have no other pain or issues.  Both of these surgeres were completely manageable for me.  Lumpectomy I missed only 3 days of work (had it on Wednesday, back to work on Monday); Mastectomy I will miss up to 9 days (had it last Tuesday, and will go back after the drains are removed, which could be as soon as Monday or Tuesday).  We will see. 

    On Monday - I will recevie my pathology report again, and maybe drain removal.  Thursday, I will see my oncologist to deal with treatment options - my oncotype dx test will be back by then. 

    I wish you peace in your decision making process.  I know how hard it is.  All you can do is make the best decision on the information you have, and then make another one when you get more. I know you will be strong. 

    These dicussion boards are a wealth of information from incredible women who have walked this battle before me or are walking it with me.  I encourage you to read their stories and get as much information as you can.  It has been an invaluable resource for me.

    Take care, and know I am sending you tons of postive thoughts.

    sarajaneevans - congrats on clean margins!  I know how ellusive they can be!  Sending you good thoughts on your next steps.

  • sarajaneevans
    sarajaneevans Member Posts: 187
    edited June 2013

    kar123, thanks for the post-- does the head ever stop swimming with all the information? So you are out of the woods now?

    Thanks Toni 2013- i am still somewhat concerned about not getting all the cells-wondering if the pet Scan can be trusted to find everything that might be lurking-- I have read posts that this type of tumor is good at hiding in places that cannot be exposed.. I don't have a lot of faith in the tests-especially the yearly mammogram, which I was faithful in having done and unbeknownst to me, this cancer is not detectible on a mamo--makes me wonder how many unsuspecting woman there are out who like so many of us here now, are carrying these cancer cells around and don't even know it b/c they think the mammogram is telling them what they need to know?

    I had my Pet Scan this past Wednesday, then saw my oncologist yesterday(friday the 21st)Fabulous news- no new tumorsSmile-- he will still not give the grade a number like so many here seem to have . he just says intermediate- and the stage he has changed from 2 to 3-I start chemo on Tuesday the 25th- Taxotere and Cytoxin- I have been reading on here from some posters that hair loss is permanent with Taxotere-the woman who is going to be my oncology nurse assured me I will lose my hair, but that it will grow back??? and she said I will probably NOT lose my eyebrows...??? I am wondering if pre-menopausal women experience different side effects than post menopausal like myself- ?????

    I did ask him about the Oncotype DX test and he was shocked that I even knew about it-- I told him thanks to the woman on this site I do-- I cannot remember to save me what he said about it and wonder if it is too late to have it done,or maybe it is not necessary in my case-- this stuff is all so overwhelming..

    Also, I was not given the option to have a mastectomy like so many -not complaining just curious..

  • kar123
    kar123 Member Posts: 273
    edited June 2013

    No, especially in the first few months, your head will be swimming with so much information you will feel like you've had a crash course in med school.  I'm not sure I'm ever out of the woods, but so far so good and these days are sooo much better than in the beginning of this nightmare.

  • lgkgde13
    lgkgde13 Member Posts: 164
    edited June 2013

    Toni2013 - Thank you so much for your response.  I met with plastic surgeon today for consult and another doctor for opinion.  I am thoroughly confused now...I really don't want to go through radiation.  The one surgeon was like, why? it's not that big of a deal, really?  maybe  not to him lol..anyway thank you for responding to me and I am reading these boards for advice which is greatly appreciated:)

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