DIEP 2013
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dvygirl, How long ago did you have your mx? I know with me most normal everyday activities are ok, it's stuff life exercising where I find my range of motion is not totally back, absolutely will not lift my 32 pound grandson, I don't know if that is fear, or I can't. Let me tell you it's tough when he puts his little arms up to be picked up, and I have to knell down to hug him, and tell him I can't pick him up. I do all the stretches and exercises the BS recommended, and they have helped. I wonder how much of a set back diep flap will be? I am hoping without the mx, and just diep my range of motion won't be effected too much again.
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I was always anti-meds for myself .. .primarily because I tend to get all the SE's from anything. But, two years ago tomorrow, when they said stage IIIB aggressive, metastasized cancer would you like something to help you deal? I said, SIGN.ME.UP. Celexa in the morning (not at night it will keep you awake!!!). I tapered off last year after my hysterectomy because my pcp wanted me off it. Not smart....hot flash hell. As it turns out Celexa helps stop hot flashes. So we went to 10 mg a day rather than 20 mg.....no more hot flashes and helps keep my mood more evenly keeled I am sure. At night they gave me Ativan....for nausea during chemo but it makes me sleep and takes away thAt "lie in bed and think of all the bad things now that it's finally quiet in the house" experience. I know the pcp wants me off the Ativan too. I will work my way off after I am back to work. I am down to 1/2 dose already.
I have tried Ambien and the like and hate how it makes me feel.
Sleeplessness definitely worse after hysterectomy and ovary removal....10 x worse. I guess it's the lack of estrogen?
I also came out of chemo and rads with destroyed thyroid and very low testosterone level. I take a thyroid hormone and use a testosterone gel. Both help with "everything". -
First, thanks to all who replied regarding the burning sensation.
I never had sleeping issues until hysterectomy/oopherectomy 4 years ago. Slept horribly (plus the Super Charged Hot Flashes that come with "surgical menopause") for 3 years. It was really getting better during the past year; the recent MX/DIEP has set me back for now. I haven't tried anything yet to help me sleep, but will consider if it continues. -
Reading about insomnia, it reminds me of those dark crazy days during chemo when the steroids kept me awake for a few nights in a row with every cycle. Normally I am a very easy-going, calm, relaxed, laid-back person, but I truly become psycho if I cannot sleep, honestly. You don't wanna be near me - extremely unpleasant, irritable, bad-tempered, miserable, bitchy etc. etc., worse than an old cantankerous rhinocerous bull. So it is a good thing that with the hysterectomy, mastectomy and DIEP I went back to a normal sleeping pattern within two weeks after the surgery every time. Once a week or so I will have a night where I wake up around five in the morning, and can't sleep again. Then I get up, make coffee, and get on with my day. Don't know what will happen if I should ever develop serious insomnia problems. Will probably end up in jail for murder - heaven forbid - or get addicted to sleeping pills. LOL!
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Goldie - the arm thing was very hard for me. I play viola and conduct an orchestra during the school year so range of motion and comfort are huge. I am off until September so have time to get my strength and ROM back but I hate that it effects my arms so much.
SheChirple - I always took benadryl at night for seasonal allergies ( with the side benefit of sleepiness) but read on another board that it reduces the serum level of tamoxifen. I messaged my MO and sure enough, they said occasionally benadryl is fine but not regularly.
That said, I am not much help for sleep issues as I generally sleep well. I do appreciate this immensely though so try not to hate me... -
Hello, did you have the surgery? How are you?
I was being steered towards implants, or lumpectomies, ( bilateral) and I now realize its because there aren't enough doctors who do this procedure (micro surgeons). And I am in the Boston area, where I would think we would have state of the art. But I will travel to Timbuktu to get it done right. Right in every way, get all the cancer out, and rebuild it nicely as can be. If anyone has a recommendations, please post. I saw a lot of references to "nola"? What is that? -
I've been taking ambien for ever and so far so good. I just wish it would keep me asleep too. I have Xanax, but it doesn't do anything for me, so I don't even take it anymore. Valium I love. I took it for three nights after I came home from hospital and put me to sleep like a baby. Then decided to stop taking it so I wouldn't get addicted to it. I already take enough meds!
My DH and I went to best buy and got a new refrigerator. The one with French doors and right underneath it has a drawer with its own temperature where I can keep kids snacks! How awesome is that! I'm just beyond excited -
Kuka, I wanted one of those refrigerators the last time we replaced ours, but the configuration of our kitchen wouldn't allow it. Believe it, or not...and I am dating myself, but we had a bottom freezer like that when I was growing up.
You are right about the valium, save them for emergencies.
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There are quite a few docs in Boston that do the diep. Start with Google, and then call your most prestigious hospitals and start asking their cancer centers. You won't have to travel to NOLA.
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Lyndamarie, have you asked to see a physcial therapist to help you with your arm? Also, there are some great videos on Youtube to help with ROM rehab. Of course, you have to be very careful not to push yourself and do more damage. I would ask for physio.
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Shocked,
I live in Anchorage, AK so thought for sure I'd spend a fortune traveling to Seattle to get treatment or California even but I did my research and have found two local surgeons my BS and PS team and so far they've done fantastic work. I had a UMX two weeks ago and because of the way it was done, I am not much smaller than normal size with the help of a dreaded TE. My point is, do your research, talk to lots of people locally, and you can find someone I'm sure. I haven't had my flap done yet, but unless rads kills the tissue, I am confident it will turn out beautifully. -
Goldie, I used Dr. T at UTSWMC & have been very pleased with the results. I had a unilateral DIEP last fall. I had stage 2 shaping this spring plus a lift & reduction of natural breast. I'll have stage 2b in September.
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shocked.....it sounds like you are in the very early stages of diagnosis? A scary and upsetting time, for sure, that we can all relate to. I'm not clear on why you feel there aren't very good options for you in the Boston area???? I think some of our ladies have had their surgeries there, and are happy with their surgeons and results. When I was researching reconstruction options, there was a great video of the diep procedure produced by Beth Israel/Deaconess Hospital which is in Boston. I believe they have a very highly respected breast cancer centre...and I'm sure there are others.
We know it's hard, but try to take a deep breath...you do have time to sort through the options.
jakig and janetM....thinking of you both....this time next week, it'll be behind you and you'll be on the path to recovery.
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Shocked, NOLA stands for New Orleans, Louisiana, this is where the center for restorative breast surgery is at. This is where is where I went for my diep surgery and it where I'm returning to next Monday for my stage two. There wasn't any place closer to go to for me. I've read, like Nihahi said that a few women have had surgery in the Boston area and were pleased with the doctors and the work they had done.
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Janet: the bras were for my daughter....lol
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Loved the stories about your pets! I have a dear Boston terrier who I rescued 4 years ago. Bella has been my lifeline through the last year and a half. Don't know what I'd do without her!
I've had bouts of insomnia before but never like I have in the past couple of months. It gets so frustrating because I'm tired but the minute my head hits the pillow I'm wide awake. I have imovane but don't like to take it all the time- I'm afraid of getting addicted. I have Ativan- never thought of using that for sleep. Maybe I will try that now. Hope you all are getting some much deserved rest. -
Hi Flappers.....I feel like Rip Van Winkle......fall asleep for a few days (from jet lag) and the whole thread has jumped a thousand miles! Still awfully tired, but wanted to say hi....maybe another post tomorrow......
(((Hugs)))
Namaste and God bless - Jackie -
Here we go. Another sleepless night! This time the pain on my shin is not really allowing me to fall asleep. 😞
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Hi faith,
So sorry about your grandfather. So hard. I lost both of my parents last year to Dementia, both in their mid seventies. They died twelve days apart. It was a horrible 7 years to see them deteriorate. I am just glad now that they are not uncomfortable, and that they don't have to worry about me now, as I go down this BC path. And that I don't have to worry about them too. Finally done with being a squeaky wheel for them, dealing with doctors, insurance, systems. Etc... And now this.
I noticed you are a runner, as am I, and one of my fears in general is that my body will not be able to do the things I like to do. I run, bike, ski, tennis, I'm active! And this DX came just as I was refining my workout program for the summer. Im in good shape, healthy! Was just about to get a trainer to learn some new techniques. This is not making me happy! But until I do surgery or whatever else they may prescribe, I'm "in training", while trying to gain some weight so they can do the diep or sgap on me. Anyway, just wondering how long this kind of thing can take me off my running shoes for. Especially if I do the sgap. I imagine my butt will hurt. -
Thanks Ninahi,
Yes, I'm in the early stages, and I think since my DX I have been feeling like I was being led down a default path of lumpectomy with radiation, vsus mastectomy with implants. Those were the choices I was given so far from the one surgeon I have meet with. I have not met with an oncologist, and now realize so much from all my research. I'm angry as hell about the overal, approach to this horror. I think immediately with this diagnosis, a counselor should be assigned to the patient, to help them deal, and to their spouses if applicable, so they can make good decisions! Instead they treat it like making an appointment to have a tooth pulled or something. I'm upset with how this first month and a half of diagnostic has gone, I have asked for counseling, and they don't seem to have anything. I'm leaving the place I'm at and going to dfci next week. I hope it will be a worl,d of difference. I am beyond overwhelmed, and I just want to be free! And feel so bad that so many women, and a few men, have to go through this horrifying experience. -
Shocked, I play tennis too. My DIEP surgery was January 28. I had complication: ab-incision opened up 10 days post-op. compare to most of the flapers here, I am a slow healer, but I was back on the tennis court April 20. I gained at least 15lb before surgery and I am back to my original weight now. Good luck finding surgeons in your area. My teams, in PGH PA, did a great job.
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Shocked - I'm researching DIEP surgeons in our area, too. I'm two hours from Boston. I have heard good things about Dr. Tobias but I have not met him yet.
You are still in the early stage of diagnosis. This is truly the hardest time, waiting for a treatment plan and getting things sorted out. Often times, as we gather more info our treatments change. This doesn't mean that our doctors are incompetent - they just don't know until biopsy results come back. My lumpectomy ended up as a reexcision and then a mastectomy.
My advice would be to devour the boards here. Look for the discussions from those with similar diagnoses and learn from them. There are many different types of breast cancer, and what is right for some may not be right for you. If I read correctly, you have DCIS. Make sure you read Beesie's posts - they are some of the best on here about DCIS. It takes a few tries to maneuver these boards, but they are pretty well laid out. If you can, put your diagnosis in your signature so people can help guide you when possible.
We're here - 24/7. Hugs.
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Shocked....yep, feeling blindsided and not in control of your future is one of the hardest "first steps" on this path. Unfortunately, things like cancer don't have any respect for what else is going on in your life or what you may be "ready to handle". When I was in my early stages, I think my anger at being diagnosed, was carried over into anger at the docs and tx. I can see that now, I couldn't 20+ years ago. I was just angry.
Keep on with your physical activities....going into this fight as fit as possible will be one thing you CAN be in control of, and will certainly help you. It'll also help get some of that "anger" out too! Not sure how successful or necessary the weight gain thing will be for you.....stress/high activitiy usually means weight LOSS for me!
Keep asking questions, and asking for help. Your choices should clearer after talking to your oncologist. I'm not sure what dfci is, but, again, in your area there should be choices of docs and support services. The NOLA reference is to a very good bc centre in New Orleans, and many ladies who are able/willing to travel away from home for surgery, have been very happy with their results, but I don't think they do tx such as chemo or rads.
Faith.....are your shins getting worse or better???? I was up last night, didn't see much action on the boards, so didn't post. Sorry you were awake too.
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Shocked- wouldn't it be great to have a Counselor assigned to every patient!!! Such a great suggestion. I probably would be so concerned about the results that I wouldn't wait long enough for the counselor to be there for me!
I was dx the same week my dad was (this go round) for his 5th melanoma and our surgeries were within days of each other. He lives 7 hours away from me and I wasn't there for either his dx or surgery - which made me very sad. So, even more so for him I wish there was a counselor for him to tell him what his options are. I wish Drs would certainly have someone who could be the counselor when they tell us, any of us cancer patients. We step over that virtual 'nano second' from being normal to a cancer person (I refuse to say victim ) - so wish someone was there with you as well! THESE ladies might be the closest thing though!
I'm right now getting the oil changed in my car, there was a 'service counselor' to assist me when I drove into the service department!!!! Good grief! And not for those words from the Dr = 'you have cancer'!
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I am so blessed to have an HMo with breast cares teams. Each patient is assigned a Breast Care Co-ordinator, who is an RN and is your touchpoint for everything. You can go directly to your doctor. However, if you are not sure, you can contact your BCC who gets your message to the right person.
Example: last year after my TE exchange to implants failed and I ended up having one of my implants removed, I was at a loss of what do I do next. My PS had said we need to wait a few months for healing before we decide what to do. However, here I was with one good implant, one tissue sparing mastectomy with bags of empty skin and I have to go to work everyday. I was using the soft little pillow that came with my post op cami/compression on my right side so as to look a little normal. But, this thing is cotton, stuffed with polyfiber and itchy. I called my BCC to see what could be done. She made the appropriate calls and w/in a day or two I was at Nordstroms being fitted for a prosthetic and bras. Yes, I would only need them for a few months, 9 it turns out. But, what a life saver. I never would have known if I did not have this person to reach out to.
My HMO has been wonderful. All patients should have such a co-ordinator, or care manager. A touchpoint / contact person to help with all questions. Just a navigator.
Be sure to ask your primary doctor who that might be for you.
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kuka - congrats on the new fridge! My freezer keeps leaking all over the kitchen floor. grrr. DHs solution is to keep a towel on the floor. He needs to look at it.
Goldie- I will probably see my PS this week and ask permission to start PT. I have a great physical therapist who specializes in musicians. His wife is also a bc survivor so he also really gets the physical issues that come along with treatment. He was a Godsend after my mx. -
Shechirple - I did have a RN with my insurance company who worked with me when I wanted to go to an out of state Dr who specialized in free flaps. She was great, however it didn't happen that she even knew about me until well after the dx, the PS visits locally, and my journey into decision land! Can't blame the insurance company - I wasn't on their radar then. When I was they helped with getting stuff on the way to approval.
My dad however is on Medicare. And now in hospice. After oil change I will be visiting him for a few days with my #2 son who is flying in to join me. -
That is great, Lyndamarie. I know the therapist will help you. It's bad enough what bc does to us, but don't take away what we love to do most. That is wrong.
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Kuka, I fell asleep around 4, and i was up at 8 with the dogs. I am so tired.
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Hi Dallas Girls - I was cruising the threads and noticed one called Help-PS Needed in Dallas for DIEP. Thought one of you might be able to provide her with some advice! Thanks bunches.
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