"Focus on Here and Now?" How, when my husand's NOT CHANGED!!!

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Hi everyone.

I am writing on this board because I'm frustrated, extremely angry and I am at a serious crossroads with my marriage. 

I was diagnosed 1 mo. after my 35th birthday (Jan 2008.) This news came as quite a shock to me. I was still trying to digest the fact that 6 mos before my own dx, my father was dx'd with Lymphoma. Prior to that I had not seen him in 5 years.

FF to my initial dx. When we both found out after a supposed biopsy that would show I had "just a cyst" and it was actually cancer, we were both in shock. I cried. I called my parents and we cried together. However that night,  my husband and I sat in the family room together of our new home-me on the love seat and he on the couch. After about 20 min or so, he got up and went up to the bedroom leaving me alone with our cat. He yelled, " I can't deal with this!", and was he right. So there I sat alone with our cat and I said to her, "Well kitten, I have a feeling this is going to be tough." I could have never imagined just how tough it would be.  Before I got sick, my husband and I had a great marriage or so I thought. I always knew that out of the 2 of us, I was  the stronger emotionally of the two. I am the oldest sibling and have had to deal with ALOT of stuff since childhood. Unfortuntately, its made me way too old for my age, and extremely tough. I guess on the plus side, its helped me survive this hellish disease.

Soon after I had a lumpectomy with a node biopsy. My initial dx was stage 1 breast cancer with a grade 3 tumor aprox 1.7 cm. I had clear nodes and margins; Her2neg; est/progest pos by 70/80%. I then went through with 31 treatments of radiation. My cancer was hormone + by a  large percentage which helped determined I would go on adjuvant hormone therapy-Tamoxifen. I was put on Tamoxifen which I had a horrible reaction to 3 times; each reaction was worse. Why try Tam 3 times? Because at the time, it was the only hormone adjuvant drug available for pre-menopausal women. And at that time, my husband and I still wanted to try and have a family so I DID NOT want to go into menopause.

After determining that Tam was not the drug for me, I went through with the full regimen of chemo. Chemo was not the adjuvant therapy of choice by a long shot. However being allergic to Tam, and with the removal of a grade 3 tumor I knew that something was better than nothing. Hormone treatment could decrease my chances of recurrence by 30% vs chemo which only reduced my possible recur by 10%. 

Finally, it was at this point that my husband started to come around. Chemo was awful. But he sat with me during every treatment. And also he really did a good job with handling the business aspect of my disease: paperwork, billing, dealing with my former employer re: short term disability and fighting with my insurance co ad nauseam. However the one thing I wanted most, was to be close-a hug, a real kiss, a back rub; anything to show I was still desirable. 

After I finished my cycles of chemo the following Feb 2009, I was elated and relieved. "Finally I would get a break from the rigors of the disease!" However, I got my menstrual cycle the week after I finished. No one could believe it  as I was told chemo would put me in a state of temp menopause for a good 6 mos. The mo. after chemo ended I started to get pain in my lower back. I thought it was a recurring disc injury from when I used to dance and do gymnastics. I had a CT scan ASAP and the scan showed a spot in my L5 vertebra that was approx 1 cm. I had a bone core biopsy done immediately. My team was confident that it was "nothing" especially after just finishing chemo. It turned out that the breast cancer metastasized to the bone-my L5 vert. I sobbed like a baby on the floor. Once again I had to turn around and start fighting again. This time dose dense radiation was in order and it was grueling. My body had no break from my 1st dx and treatment to the next dx and treatment.

All the while, my husband and I were growing more distant. He wanted the "old me" back. The wife who doted on him, cooked and cleaned for him, and was always there "for him." I just couldn't be that person anymore. I had to fight for my life. I had a battle on my hands bigger than anything I'd ever dealt with. So, I relied on my old.  survival skills from childhood to keep me going. I put me first-something he wasn't used to. In between the increasing problems between us, a small silver lining appeared in the form of a drug called Aromasin, which had finally been approved for pre-menopausal women. However, my husband stopped coming up to bed at nights. He would take off and leave me at the house for hours alone. He started drinking heavily. In his drunken state he got physical and verbally abusive with me. I'd try to help him up to bed and lie him on his side so he wouldn't choke on his vomit from being drunk. One night, I knew he was going out to to drink or worse, and I just wanted to be with him. I begged him to take me with him, but he wouldn't. I tried to hold onto the car via the side mirror and he left, locking me out in the cold and rain in my underwear. I went next door to our neighbors house. That's when our neighbors learned of the trouble at home. Up until then I was ale to keep things hidden. These are only a few of the incidents that played out. I started to lose my temper with him and his treatment of me. he said that "my temper" pushed him even farther away.

Finally, I gave him an ultimatum. I had turned to help via my social worker at my oncology center. She told me to leave. I gave him 3 more mos to turn it around but no such luck. Things got worse. He had lost 2 good paying jobs. He started to steal from me, my family, his own family. He was unable to function and I knew it. The day finally came Dec 2010, when I left and filed a restraining order against him due to his stealing, total neglect of me, our cat, himself  along with verbal and physical abuse. He was removed from the house. I stayed in the house alone for 6 more mos and then left and got my own apartment. Since that night in Dec 2010, I have been on my own. 

That started a year long complete separation. My husband has stopped drinking and has been supposedly sober since that incident that forced his removal from our house. He has been sober for a few years now. We have tried to reconcile on several occasions. Our counselor has told us to take it slow, communicate and to "focus on the here and now." But how is one to do that when the same behavior keeps happening? He can't keep a job and is currently unemployed-again. He's been promising for years now that  he will make up his "horrible behavior to me" including helping me financially as I am now on SSDI permanently. How can he help me when he can't even help himself? This June will be our 10th wedding anniversary, I am not going to go into this anniversary like this. I love my husband. We've been together for 15 years. However love is no longer enough. I've just been through too  much with him and because of him. I'm not sure I want to try any longer. Am I in the wrong? 

Thanks for listening, Archer72

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  • Rowan47
    Rowan47 Member Posts: 151
    edited May 2013

    Wow Archer, what a story! I am so terribly sorry that you have had to deal with all this shit. It's so hard to believe that the man you love could act so appallingly. He obviously has a serious drinking/anger problem. I can only imagine the anguish you have been through, trying to hold together a marriage on top of cancer. My husband also has a drinking "issue", though not to the same depth or extent as yours. Still, it is hard at times to keep that "loving feeling" when you are often angry at the behaviour. No, you are not wrong, and yes, love is not always enough to safe a marriage. It's good that you are seeing a counsellor together; hopefully they will have some good strategies etc for you to live together by. I'm sorry that I can't offer any advice. Just know that I am thinking of you. Do you have many close friends and/or family that can offer support? x

  • ReneeinOH
    ReneeinOH Member Posts: 511
    edited May 2013

    archer72, as if your battle with cancer isn't hard enough, it has brought out the worst, instead of the best, in the person who vowed to be there for you for better or worse...  I do not blame you for wanting to cut bait.  You've got to focus on you, and it's fair to think things aren't going to get better with him.  It's sad, really, because this isn't about you.  Your DH really has let his life spiral out of control.  He needs to get a grip on that.  I hope he does.  

  • mepic
    mepic Member Posts: 84
    edited May 2013

    Archer, I am so sorry. I have "been there" in a former marriage and leaving was the best decision I ever made. I would not have the life I have now if I had stayed with my first husband whose drinking literally made me sick with panic attacks. Love is an action. With my ex there was so many broken promises that I finally had no faith in a future with him. Plus he would have made a horrible father. It was actually that realization that made me leave. Whether you leave or stay, if you haven't read it already I highly recommend the book "Codependent No More". Whether you can see it now or not you are in control of your future and I hope it is wonderful.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited May 2013

    Archer, I have to agree with mepic. Love is an action. Actions speak louder than words, always have. It seems your husband has had multiple opportunities to turn this around, but just is not able to hold it together. There comes a time where you just can't continue on this destructive path, and have to put yourself first. Big hugs to you - you have a lot on your mind.

  • archer72
    archer72 Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2013

    Thanks everyone for responding. The worst part about all of this is that I don't like who I am when I am with him. In my 1st post I noted that I had a pretty rough childhood and grew up with a lot of anger in my household. My dad had a horrible temper and took it out on the his wife and children. As I grew up and got older, I realised that I too, had a problem with anger. I've lost my temper on numerous occasions. I have been in counseling for my own anger issues mainly due to my childhood. Before my I got breast cancer, I was well on my way to managing my anger issues. My temper had become a dull roar. I was happy for a solid 10 years. During this time I had also met my husband, who (believe it or not) was a calming force in my life.

    Then, my dad came back into my life after being absent for 5 years. I was used to his coming and going, but as I stated this time he was back in our lives with a terrible disease, Non Hodgkin's lymphoma. It was really tough to deal with and I ended up having a nervous breakdown; taking a leave of absence from my job for 6 mos. As I was getting ready to go back to work I found the lump in my left breast which had become breast cancer. It was bad enough to discover this lump right on the heels of getting my "sanity" back. But to have a husband who almost instantly became emotionally unavailable upon my dx was enough to send me reeling. I was angry at cancer; I was angry at God; I was angry at myself for not being able to keep it together on my own. I figured, "I don't need my husband to be emotionally available, I've taken on so much on my own. Whats one more thing?" But as time went on, I realised I did need him mainly to be there for me emotionally. So I tried to help him learn about "me." I got him the Breast Cancer Husband book, which he said he read cover to cover. He was offered free counseling through one of the social workers at my oncology center, but always managed to come up with an excuse as to why he couldn't go. His biggest excuse was he could handle my breast cancer on his own. So, I waited.  I waited and let so many things go by. He did actually come round for about 8 mos. Yes, 8 whole mos. Once we started speaking again, we actually calculated the amount of time he had truly been there for me. But I couldn't let go of the animosity he felt toward him. And I couldn't let go of all the hurt he had caused me since my 1st dx. I started to lose my temper again; at him; and on him. I started to realise I didn't like who I became around him. Even though we're in counseling separate and together, I am having a horrible time getting past all of the hurt he caused me. Pawning his wedding ring. Stealing money or my pain meds from me while asleep, or out of it from taking pain medication for the tumor that met'd to my L5 vert.  None of it had been good. So, when he starts to complain about how hard my dx has been on him, and how difficult the past 5 years have been on him, I just lose it and usually at him or on him. I try to not think about the pain. But it's taken him 5 years to come around to just now trying to accept my dx. Why should I continue to wait for him to get his act together,or give him another chance? I still love him, but like I said, I do not think love is enough to concur all the hurt and betrayal. He feels that eventually we'll be OK. And there are times when I feel we'll be alright too. But literally anything that he complains about sets me into a tirade. And although I miss him when we aren't together, there is a stress lifted from my shoulders when I don't have to listen to him whine and complain. I feel I need to focus on my health and well-being, not wait for him to come around.   Archer72

  • flannelette
    flannelette Member Posts: 984
    edited May 2013

    Archer 72 - yes, and it is very,very sad, but i do think there is a point where "love" is not enough. Your story has beeen amazingly clearly told, and you've been able to look at things from both sides for a long time. and I think your anger is justified (I have woken my husband up, in the middle of the night, screaming, when I've counted 25 of my anti-anxiety meds stolen). yes, even in the hospital, out of my purse. it's everywhere.

    But the one thing i absolutley cannot do without is emotional support that is truly, constantly there, and that I've never had from any man, or any person, after my Mom died, but that this meds-stealer addict husbnad of mine does continually give. so for some reason i eventually forget my anger, maybe because i take some control by never letting him get away with it without a slam-dunk until he knows how friggin furious I am, but also because, somehow, he is able to forgive me for my tirade and i calm down, too, because the emotional closeness is what we BOTH need and we know it, and , in terms of my fears, trips to chemo, drs., getting a real hug, a real kiss, a real communication from the heart, that has always been there (though perhaps missing for a few days).

    5 years is a mightly long time to take all this shit. the "poor me my wife has cancer how am i to cope?" - the whining & complaining There is a category of men I call "worse than useless" & this sounds like him, at least halfthe time. That applied to my fomer partner of 20 years, who was unable to hug from the heart, and I knew, were I to get cancer, I would get so depressed I would die. so I left, I HAD to, it was relentless, the voice within, and the saddest, hardest thing I've ever done. way worse than dx w cancer & all the treatments.

    Then I met my addict man. and though not perfect, he makes me happy! because my real need - to be on the same emotional wavelength and to have my fears listened to and understood - are in place. and he is not so f*d up that he is driving us to hell in a handbasket, gambling away all his $$, losing the house, all the stupid ugly childish things they can do.

    When you hug a man, and you don't feel his heart coming out to meet yours, you know you will eventually shrivel up and die for lack of watering - or at least that's how i am.

    So yes, you may well have to give up and go. I'm sorry he's blown so hot and cold and confusing - makes it so much harder - yes, no, is 50% ok? and all that. went through it for years. until I kissed a man who was depressed (not my current man) and he sent such messages of emotional need through the universe that it woke mine, which had been suppressed into a food addiction, and from then on, though I cried my heart out and did not want to do it, I had no choice left but to go. And yes, I still love him (not the depressed man). but would NEVER go back, having found what heart-to-heart actually is.

    I hope I have understood you right, and that your needs get acknowledged and filled. You have every right to not be able to forgive and forget, for he has stomped on your heart.There appears to be not much looming in the him coming round department. He loves you, you love him, but he will always be at least 50% worse than useless, and you will eventually just give up, because the part of you that looks after your deepest needs will not stop telling you you have to go. Please forgive me if I've been too  blunt- it's my form of honesty, I hope.

  • archer72
    archer72 Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2013

    Hi All,

    I just wanted to thank everyone for their posts to my questions about what to do.

    I along with my spouse are meeting with our counselor tomorrow.

    I have finally resolved to go the next step; I have given my spouse 30 days from this past Wednesday to get a job /or jobs that equal full time work in 30 days. If he does not meet the deadline then I am filing for divorce. No questions asked, no more chances. No more begging me to "wait and see the results", and NO LONGER will I give in to the crying and pleading-I don't care if it is sincere. I cannot keep allowing his mental roadblock to be my problem.

    I need to be able to move on with my life and waiting on him has been brutal.

    We started the reconciliation process way back in Dec 2011, after separating for a year w/ little to no contact.  And it was hard. However, even though I missed him every day we were apart; I felt a sense of peace. A feeling that I have not had not since he's been back in my life. What does that say about our relationship?

    I realise that I can't keep up the hoping and wishing and the never ending waiting on him to come around to show some stability and consistency. He's a procrastinator, and give an inch he takes a mile; give him 2 inches, he takes 10 miles. No more. 

    If someone told me 5 years ago that I would be on the verge of ending my marriage I never would have believed them. But then again, I never expected to be dx'd at the age of 35 with stage 1 BC and then at 36 with bone mets one month post chemo. I also never would have predicted my spouses reaction and behavior to my dx-not back in 2008 or now. This is NEVER anything I thought I would be doing. I would also be lying to myself if I said that Im not still holding out a glimmer of hope that he will come around and somehow miraculously turn himself around. 

    I will check in to give an update. Thank you to everyone who has replied. My fingers are still crossed with hope and I still have a prayer in my heart that my husband will some way get back to being the person I met, fell in love with and married. In the mean time, I am focusing my energy on ME. And even if he makes the deadline, my focus needs to be on ME.

    Archer72

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