Cancer in DIEP Flap?

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AndreaM4567
AndreaM4567 Member Posts: 83
edited March 2015 in Breast Reconstruction

They found new  lumps in my DIEP reconstruction. I do have a large area of necrosis but these are new and self-contained round lumps. I had an ultasound today and I'm not sure what to think.

Does DIEP cancer exist?

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited December 2010

    Andrea, I know reconstructed breasts are prone to cysts -- at least that's what showed up and was dx'd when I had an u/s locally for something that felt concerning.  As it turned out, my problem was an area of fat necrosis that my PS @ UCLA quickly took care of, but I know from the experience that my Diep breast had several cysts in it, too.

    Is the doctor of facility that did your recon actually the ones doing the u/s?  I think that's important b'cuz, in my case, the local u/s rad (who is excellent, by the way) didn't fully understand about fat necrosis in a Diep and didn't fully dx my problem.    

    Hopefully, your new lumps will be one of those two things, but yes, I think a new bc lesion could grow behind the Diep recon or directly under the skin where you still have some original breast tissue.    Deanna

  • AndreaM4567
    AndreaM4567 Member Posts: 83
    edited August 2013

    Thank you Deanna!

    The Dr. is different than the one who did my original dx & reconstruction.

    I am hoping to find out something by tomorrow.

    Thank you again for your response!

  • 2curvy
    2curvy Member Posts: 183
    edited December 2010

    My PS and my onc told me that you can't get cancer in the flap; its made up of fat and I guess you can't get cancer in fat tissue.  They don't even do a mammogram on that side . . .

  • TammyLou
    TammyLou Member Posts: 740
    edited December 2010

    Agreed.

    However, it is very possible to have a chest wall recurrance UNDER the flap.

    tl

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited December 2010

    Agree with Tammy, AND you can also get a cancer just under the skin in what little breast tissue might be left over (not the flap skin, but your original breast skin - whatever is left of it). BUT, your chances are much, much less since you have had a mastectomy!

  • AndreaM4567
    AndreaM4567 Member Posts: 83
    edited August 2013

    The radiologist is recommending needle biopsy of the lumps but says they are likely benign.

    Thank you all for all of you opinions. I guess what I want to know from you is "would you worry?"

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited December 2010

    Andrea - just so you know, I just went through a similar situation last week - lumps in my hip flap reconstruction... went for US and they were all (and there were more than just the 1or 2 that I was feeling) oil filled cysts - that used to be fat necrosis. My radiologist did not recommend biopsy but said to keep an eye on them and possibly re-US in a year.

    Would I worry? Well, I would tell you not to, but that would be hypocritical of me. I think that it is much the same as the initial breast cancers... only 1 out of 8 are positive... but when you are that one it is a big deal. I also think most of these lumps in reconstructed breasts are benign... but when someone turns out to be that one person that isn't, it is a huge deal. So, here is what I say, TRY not to worry because it doesn't help change anything, prepare yourself just in case, but hope for the best! And we will all be here cheering you on!

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited December 2010

    I'm chiming in on this too.  I've had 2 "scares" with fat necrosis/scar tissue in my DIEP breast (Cancer side).  I had a bilateral mastectomy w/DIEP but only the cancer side has the necrosis.

     I've had ultrasounds, scans, etc.  I'm going to see my breast surgeon about this next week.  She measured my necrosis about 6 months ago (very precisely) and I want to see if it is any bigger.

    My scans/tests all show no cancer.  I invested so much in reconstruction that I hate to just cut the necrosis out...but piece of mind is worth something too.  I'm having an internal debate on this!

  • cats-in-nc
    cats-in-nc Member Posts: 17
    edited December 2010

    Does anyone but me get mammo every year (or ever) on your DIEPs? I just switched radiology centers and they called yesterday (mammo was today) and told me they don't "do" mammos on trams (read DIEP). I told them that because I am a cancer survivor the previous center would only do diagnostic mammos so we settled on that I would get a screening only and they got it approved by my prescribing doc. My PS who did that bilat DIEP also said yearly screening would do no harm but the radiology place said that I am subjecting myself to more radiation that is necessary hen you have belly fat!

    Sorry for the long post, but does anyone else have mammos on their TRAM/DIEP foobs?

    Happy Holidays! 

  • lovetosail
    lovetosail Member Posts: 544
    edited December 2010

    Hi, UCLA does mammos on DIEP flaps.  I am scheduled to have one next month, it will be my first.

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited August 2013

    Nobody has recommended this to me... yet anyway. However, I went to a conference where the woman who spoke recommended yearly or every other year MRI's of the breasts/flaps.

  • cats-in-nc
    cats-in-nc Member Posts: 17
    edited December 2010

    Hi all and Merry Christmas!

    Nordy, I too have mentioned MRI's but my onc, BS, PS, and radiologists all said that was overkill! It is such a dilemma but I think that once a year it certainly won't hurt me!  I looked at the pics and all I saw was belly fat (what a great use for it LOL). They did mention that any recur inside the chest muscle would not show up on a mammo, only an MRI. I really think I will continue with mammos until my 10th cancerversary which is in 2013. 

     lovetosail,

    Mammos on DIEPs are PAINLESS so don't fret it!

  • LISAMG
    LISAMG Member Posts: 639
    edited December 2010

    "My PS and my onc told me that you can't get cancer in the flap; its made up of fat and I guess you can't get cancer in fat tissue"....

    I fully dis-agree with the above statement. I personally know 2 women who had flap procedures and later developed BC. Rare, certainly yes, but happened to these women who both shockingly had prophylactic mastectomies to reduce their risks, one was 2 years out and the other was 8 years out from her surgery. You can learn more about their devastating journeys thru www.facingourrisk.org  Both women have fought back with amazing strength, determination & courage...true warriors to say the least.

  • lopsided_blogger
    lopsided_blogger Member Posts: 100
    edited December 2010

    I also have a lot of lumpiness in my DIEP reconstruction and have had u/s, MRIs and biopsies that have showed fat necrosis or most likely that. My insurance co wants me to have a mammogram before I have an MRI, so I do that, but I definitely get both each year. My ps said mammograms on a DIEP are fine and MRIs, while not fun, are also fine to get. Because of the lumpiness my ps said she'd be fine with ordering an MRI each year. She understands that stuff like that drives bc survivors crazy, and rightly so!

  • karenmarie1
    karenmarie1 Member Posts: 87
    edited December 2010

    Well, ladies - Earlier this year I had a lump in my tram flap needle biopsied after I was told for three years that it was fat necrosis. It was cancer. There was one good size lump and several small lumps. Had two surgeries to the reconstructed breast to get clean margins. I have had mamos on the tram for several years, they just kept telling me it was nothing to worry about. Finally my surgeon did the biopsy even tho he too thought it was nothing. 10 years after the original dx, almost exactly. Now I am on Aromasin and was told I am cured by my new oncologist..........

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited December 2010

    LovetoSail,

    I was/am treated at UCLA.  I had a DIEP and I do MRI's each year, not mammos.  Interesting!

    Who are your docs?

    Thanks!
    Lisa

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited December 2010

    Karen- was your lump/cancer on the edges or deep inside the flap?  I was told to carefully examine the edges, since that is where any future lumps tend to be found.  

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited December 2010

    cats, I'm also @ UCLA, although lovestosail, Lisa and I have different BSs & PSs.  So far, I've had mammos & u/s (both sides) every 6 mos. & 1 MRI at the 2 year mark.  Not sure if the MRI will be annual or bi-yearly now, but the peace of mind is so worth it, especially since some of my multi-centric bc did not show up on mammo.   Noting the difference in the screening between the 3 of us @ UCLA, maybe what we all get is determined somewhat individually based on our original dx?  Or maybe experience with some insurers denying ongoing MRIs???  

    Hi Lisa!  That's very interesting that you're just getting MRIs.  I'm going to ask Dr. Prati about that b'cuz I have been concerned about the extra mammos/radiation.

    Also, the mammos on my Diep side have not been painless!  Obviously, I can't feel it in the breast tissue, but the pulling on it because of, I assume, trying to get close to the chest wall, has been extremely painful.     Deanna

  • lovetosail
    lovetosail Member Posts: 544
    edited December 2010

    Hi Lisa,

    I started with Dr. Prati at UCLA as my BS, but she had to take pregnancy leave before my mx and I switched to Nova Foster.  She is having me do yearly mammos and MRI, but staggered so that one or the other is being done every six months.  I'd actually like the u/s, as my original cancer was not seen with a mammo.

    Deanna - I'm nervous about the mammo on the DIEP.  I really don't like the idea of squishing it, I've been treating it pretty nice since my surgery last May ;)

    I see that both Lisa and Deanna are HER2-, so maybe the different in my follow up is b/c I'm HER2+ ?

    Sue

  • navygirl
    navygirl Member Posts: 886
    edited December 2010

    I'm glad you guys are having this conversation right now! I found a lump just above the flap itself, right on the top edge. I'll have it checked when I go in next month, but I'm glad to hear from Deanna that cysts can be a problem; especially since I've already decided that's what it is :)

  • KinAZ
    KinAZ Member Posts: 180
    edited December 2010

    wow...i am starting to think this might be more common than i thought.....i just went through a scare also, had an area of concern,,,ps, and bs did a mammogram and an ultrasound, and confirmed it was fat necrosis, but, the bs told me, although it is rare .... it can happen. 

    Andrea,,,,we both went to dr gray, and dr rebecca at mayo.....i dont know if you remember me, but you had just had your diep when i was dx.....and you were sooooo very helpful in calming my fears....thank you......i finally had my diep mar 8th...still going through some revisions...i hope all turns out okay, and if your interested, we have a great group of gals who meet monthly,,,we will be getting together jan 8th...if you want more info, send me a pm..... hugs to you!!

    karen

  • AndreaM4567
    AndreaM4567 Member Posts: 83
    edited December 2010

    Sorry ladies, I have been in N. CA. visiting my Mom.

    Karen! I am SO happy to see you again! Don't you just LOVE Dr. Rebecca? I miss her terribly! Did Lindsay have her baby? I have family coming in this month on the 5th but maybe next month? my email address is andreamccracken@gmail.com
    I'm no longer at Mayo and I am very sad about that! I had an insurance change :( So now I feel nervous about my care.

    OK So let me give everyone an update and I really need to hear it straight, should I worry??

    The initial reaction of my Oncologist  "no worries they are just fat necrosis totally normal with reconstructed boobs".  They called back and they want me to see a breast surgeon and I still was not that worried. But then they called again and the breast surgeon wants to see the actual films and not just the disk of the breast ultrasound.

  • Gin52
    Gin52 Member Posts: 377
    edited May 2013

    Hello ladies,

    I haven't posted in quite awhile.  Original dx was 2001, and reoccurance in same (rt) breast was 2009, which then prompted me to have bilat with diep. First was er/pr+ with just lumpectomy and rads, second time was er/pr- and her2+, so i had herceptin and chemo that time.  Fast forward to 2013.  I still have spots of fat necrosis, and lymphedema in right side, so just keep an eye on it.  However, I have noticed over the weekend, two "spots" that feel like bb's-small, round, hard.  Both my previous dx's were done by mammo, so i have no idea what it actually "feels" like.  I have emailed the Center that did my reconstruction, though they are in a different state.  I am not sure who, or if I need to see someone on this at this point?  Suggestions anyone?

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited May 2013

    I've just had DIEP recon surgery 12 days ago, and I am aghast at what I read here. The beast keeps stalking us, eh?

    Gin52, my feeling is that you definitely need to see someone at this point. An ultrasound may give more info as to what it is. Alternatively an MRI may be the way to go, because it is more accurate. I would phone around to find out what my options are. Best wishes, and let us know what happens.

  • Gin52
    Gin52 Member Posts: 377
    edited May 2013

    talked to my onc and saw him today.  Having ultrasound Friday.  He says he does not think it is anything, but even if the ultrasound does not indicate any action now, we will keep an eye on it. Feel some better after seeing him.  I do have a lot of faith in him.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited May 2013

    Good for you, Gin! Better to be too cautious than too relaxed - best wishes!

  • Gin52
    Gin52 Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2013

    well, had the ultrasound.  radiologist thinks it is scar tissue, but will have to see what my onc thinks.  may redo ultrasound in 3 months. at least feeling like i can breath again.

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited June 2013

    Gin - Were they able to see discrete masses on ultrasound? If they were, you cam always ask your BS to do a needle biopsy for piece of mind.

    Edited for spelling

  • Gin52
    Gin52 Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2013

    the girl doing the u/s said i had both cyst and areas that were not cysts (not clearly fluid filled)...I am waiting to see what my onc says.  those are the ones that the radiologist said he thought was scar tissue, but i don't know how scar tissue develop after 4 years?

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited June 2013

    Sending positive vibes that it's all benign!

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