Angelina Jolie's prophylactic surgery
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So agree with you ladies
For myself, I think how hard it must be, for someone who makes a living using her body and looks, to not only come forward, but have this preventative surgery. She didnt have to discuss it. Yes, it would have come out eventually as all things do. And i bet we will here more from AJ too. Thats sad about her aunt passing as well..... -
I was so sorry to read about her aunts passing
I also feel she will change things for all of us.
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CNN just reported (in a confusing way), that AJ's aunt, Debbie Martin died of BC, but due to the brca2 gene. This was reported by Francis Bertrand, nephew to Debbie Martin. Apparently both genes (Angelina Jolie and her mother had brca1 - Debbie Martin brca2) run in the family. His father (brother of AJ's mother and aunt) died in 2009 of cancer, though I barely got his name,,, Raleigh? Bertrand, or the type of cancer. Both genes!
Did a little more research...per this article:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/may/27/jolies-aunt-dies-of-breast-cancer-in-escondido/
The 37-year-old Jolie said in her op-ed that, because she carries both defective genes, her doctors estimated that she had a 50 percent risk of getting ovarian cancer but an 87 percent risk of breast cancer.
I have read it is possible for a fetus to survive being brca1-brca2 and maybe brca2-brca2 (with issues such as Fanconi anemia), but definitely not brca1-brca1, but the fact that AJ has both explains why she was given the "special statistics." As brca2 though, she also has risk for additional cancers, over and above ovarian and breast.I guess I missed this in the original op-ed. Unless Jon Voight gave her the brca2 mutation, AJ's mother had to have carred both the brca1 and brca2 mutation also.
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It was published in the Toronto Star this morning that A.J's aunt, her mother's youngest sister, passed away from BC yesterday at the age of 61.
So, whatever you may think of her for going public, or having the surgery in the first place, she obviously knew what could lie ahead for her and her family. -
For me, the most interesting AJ news for the day is that AJ is both brca1 and brca2.
I think it goes without saying that those of us with a brca mutation have a pretty good idea of what could lie ahead. Most of us have lived through other members of our family having breast, ovarian and/or other cancers.
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Condolences to her and her family. To have her mom die of cancer and to lose her aunt to cancer...how awful. What makes her so different to those who post as relatives here? Nothing much I think.
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This may be harsh, but I could not care less about Angelina Jolie or what she does with her body-it belongs to her, to do with as she sees fit-as she has done all of her life-And she will live with any consequences that arise from her decision, good or bad. I don't know what is going to happen with me in the future but any decision I make with regards to treatment will be my business-I can see AJ wanting to do whatever she needs to do to insure that she is around to raise her children- what I don't get is why anyone really cares about the decisons she makes that effect her, except maybe her family members.
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For better or for worse, she is a public figure and whether you or I "care" about her, the manner in which she has dealt with her situation has certainly created a public dialogue. Let's hope it serves the greater good.
Caryn -
another BC survivor weighs in on AJ
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-9679/what-a-breast-cancer-survivor-thinks-about-angelina-jolie.html -
Sarajane, if you feel that way about Angelina, what does that say about all of us here on this board? If none of it is anyone else's business then what benefit do you derive from coming here? Are we to say the same about you? Why would you post here if none of it is anyone's business but your own?
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I'm just saying just b/c she is a celebrity- doesn't make her any more special than the rest of us. At the end of the day she is no different- just b/c she is AJ NOW people will sit up and take notice? Where has her concern for BC been in the past-it just seems to me that now that she has made the decision to have her breasts removed,its suddenly a big deal? It is no bigger deal to me that it is AJ than it is for all the thousands of other women going through it. If she were to come here and get down in the trenches with the rest of us, I would feel differently, but, oh wait, she is AJ after all.
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Oh, gee... Most of the rest of us can come here and do it anonymously. Do I think it takes real courage to stand up in public and say i had my breasts amputated due to screwed family genetics? Damn well I do. I welcome her as one of our sisterhood. Why do you dislike her for that?
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I don't dislike her- I don't have any feelings about her one way or the other- I find the fact very distasteful that b/c she is a celebrity now all of a sudden BC is a big deal? All the hullabaloo over the choice she made- the point for me, is that it is her business to do what she feels is best for her body,her life, her family- her choices are none of my business.
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I'll tell you how AJ's public declaration makes a difference that a less public person could not have done. If this news came out just 2-3 years earlier, I might have pursued my suspicion of brca more actively than I had in the past. I would have made an appointment with a geneticist and bypassed the 2 doctors that poo poo'd my idea of being tested, even though my mother and 2 of her sisters had BC in their 50's as well as a grandfather who died of stomach cancer at age 42. Yes, I got bad advice, and one was a gynecologist and the other a surgeon who does breast cancer surgery (though this was when the test first came out, so I'll give him that). If there is one thing I've learned about about doctors, the y are not omniscient.
I think she has opened some eyes - physicians and patients.
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From my understanding her aunt just died over the weekend of breast cancer. She also carried the gene. In my opinion Angelina made the right choice.
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Well said Kam! I agree completely.
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Correct, supposedly her aunt did die this weekend of breast cancer.
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/angelina-jolies-aunt-dies-of-breast-cancer/
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I cannot tell you how obnoxious I find the comments that, just because AJ didn't have breast cancer - that her mastectomy was "elective" - that it, somehow, doesn't count. That the only time it "counts" is when breast cancer has been diagnosed. That the only time it's meaningful is because it was prompted by cancer and followed by harsh treatment. That it's only meaningful if she comes to the boards and "gets down in the trenches with the rest of us..."
Good lord...
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Thanks dogsandjogs....interesting Mods. That article said the Aunt had brca1, but CNN, quoting a nephew, said AJ's aunt had brca2 and in fact, AJ and her mother are both brca1 and brca2 (which is possible). AJ's op-ed spoke to "carrying 2 defective genes" also. The fact that AJ's mother's brother, AJ's uncle, Raleigh Bertrand also died of cancer relatively young, that speaks to brca2, not brca1, as brca2 causes many other cancers, not just breast and ovarian, and also male breast cancer. Confusing. Significantly, that would put AJ's natural born children at a 75% chance for being some kind of brca+.
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Selina...I'm with you.
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more likely just confused reporting! (re brca 1 vs 2). Who knows.
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Wow, it's interesting to read the backlash against AJ. She could have just kept quiet about it. I guess some posters would have preferred that she did. I for one am glad she came out with it. Clearly, lots of others argree with me.
Of course, people are still amazingly ignorant, the media coverage leaves alot to be desired, people far and wide still don't understand, don't get it-okay, so it's far from a sea change effect - but at least there is a little more awareness among some.
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I think she will make a big impact on the entire bc/braca world.
just my 2cents worth.
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I don't think it's about AJ giving out private information as it is about educating people to the possibilities; that as a public figure her message may reach many via mainstream media, who may otherwise never give a family history a second thought. Who among us ever heard of brca1/brca2 before coming to these boards?- very few I would suspect. I believe most people don't have the brca genes but for those that do they probably got the information from the mainstream media not BCo because they are not here on BCo and had clueless docs like Kam170.
It's only because I'm here that I now know the difference between brca1 and brca2 - and I've been on these boards for 4 years. Knowledge is power and the more public figures share their humanity the better. I think AJ sharing is just as important, maybe even more so, than Robin Roberts. (and that's not a put-down of Robin).
JMHO
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well said kayb.
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Sarahjane,
What exactly are we doing down here in the trenches that AJ might join us in doing?
"Where has her concern for bc been in the past..." Probably where mine was before I was dx with bc. I knew about it, lost a grandmother to it many years ago but honestly, didn't pay much attention to it. Much as I don't pay much attention to a multitude of other diseases until they have a personal effect on someone I know or myself. Why should AJ be any different than most of us in that respect?
Caryn -
She could have been waiting until she was sure she didn't want anymore children since she was having her ovaries removed too.
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Being a recent BMX patient, I can empathize with her going through this ordeal. I support her decision to prevent her cancer. What disturbs me is how the media has portrayed her as a heroine. She has the money and means available for the best treatment. She has help with her children, house, bills, grocery shopping, and had a supportive partner to help her through this very agonizing time. The real heroines are the single moms who at best have average medical care/surgeons, who still have to keep up with raising their child(ren) alone, have no or little family, have to worry about how bills are going to be paid, worrying about how they can take time off from work w/o losing their job or having enough time to have paid leave, how groceries will get into the home, who is going to cook the meals, how laundry and other household chores will get done, how will the kids be driven there they need to go, how she will make it to her Dr appts, not having the emotional support when having to go through this process and has to go through the emotional roller coaster alone. I fully praise her bravery of coming forward and going public. That was probably not an easy decision. Having the threat of BC and making the choice to have BMX is not a decision that is taken lightly. Kudos to AJ for choosing her life over chance!
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Angie is a world famous A list celebrity who did a selfless act of preventative mastectomy and sharing it with the world so other women can increase their awareness of pre-cancer options. I would not be surprised at all if she advocates for improved screening for women with dense breast tissue and a strong family history of breast cancer. She watched her mother die of cancer, after I watched my beloved sister die of BC I had a PBMX it was a no brainer for me. My avatar is my sister Kara one year before she died. I'm glad she made her medical choice public, it will in no way harm anyone it can only help others.
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I'm happy she has made this public.
That said...I hope people don't jump on the bandwagon and think they need to go to this extreme (the ones without known risk factors). Her case fit the profile to consider it. Guess I'm saying...hope people act rational.
A breast specialist told me in all his years of being a doctor I was the second person he told due to the nature of my breast that I could / should look into that surgery. I am very hard to screen. I did...for me, it's not the right choice at this time. From what I have read, it's not an easy surgery nor is it easy down the road. I have autoimmune conditions that could be made worse by the stress and who knows what tomorrow might bring.
For her, it seems to be the wise choice considering her family history. I have a friend who has that gene in her family and she was also proactive.
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