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  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited May 2013

    Morning girls,

    Dvygirl, glad you are beginning to feel better. Good on moving lots, and balance it wih rest. Missing the wine, eh? It must be the best stress reliever there is. Soon, Dvygirl, soon!

    Movie, yes, flying is a necessary evil, and long-distance flights can be sooooo boring . . . hope you don't have too long of a wait in Narita. Next time you land, DD will be waiting for you there - must be so exciting for her that you're coming to visit! 

    Nihahi, guess I will probably join the nipple club one of these days. At the moment I honestly couldn't care less if I get a nipple or not, and just want to be done with 'cutting on me', as somebody put it on another thread. DH is strongly advocating for a nipple - wonder what's in it for him? It's not like we're newly-weds? Say no more - lol.

    peacelovedogs, LyndaMarie, SheChirpie, just hang in there. For you the worst is over. Sleep and rest lots!

    It is so interesting that the protocols are so different from PS to PS. Mine has not made any mention of binders, girdles or bras at all. Saw her yesterday, and I'm now drain-free - yayyy! It is like I was immediately elevated to another level of 'betterness' and mobility. I refused the pain pump on the OR table when anaesthetist wanted to give me one, and came off all pain meds two days ago. Pain is so debilitating, but I was lucky this time. Had way more pain after hysterectomy and mastectomy last year.

    I don't seem to have much swelling. New boob is now a lovely shade of yellow on the outer side, and my right arm which took the full brunt of all needles, IV's, injections etc. looks like I've been in a bar fight - it's covered in bruises from hand to shoulder, but all getting much better now. She gave me permission for one cup of coffee a day, no strenuous gym exercise for 12 weeks, just walking, and I have to start massage on the incisions in two weeks' time. What I'm looking forward to most is that I can take a real shower this morning - gonna be so nice! Now if I can only sleep on my left side, everything would be perfect, but I won't be greedy. Lol.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    Liefie....I hear ya on the "stop the surgery" thoughts. Even though mine have been spread out over years and years, it's all been on the same spot (mx aftermath) and felt like a continuous cycle. However, now after the wonders of this flap recon, I truly feel like I have a "breast" again, and as soon as that acceptance/awareness registered in my emotions, I knew I wanted to go all the way. I never did nipple recon on the implant breast, and maybe that contributed to the "alien" feeling of it.  Enjoy the shower!!!!!

    shechirple....surgery now behind you...you may feel like you've been run over by that naughty diep truck, but that feeling will soon pass. Rest and heal, you newest veteran, you!!!!!

    FYI....I've received a PM from Bleugirl, and it was full of apologies for "letting us down". I have messaged her back, that we absolutely don't feel that is the case, and have encouraged her to come back and join us for the support and encouragement she needs. Sounds like for whatever reason, she has had a difficult journey. Maybe if others pm'd her to show understanding and support......just a suggestion, as I don't know how often she visits the boards.

    Later ladies.

  • Lmo45
    Lmo45 Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2013

    Vballmom,



    I'm also in Connecticut and found a terrific plastic surgeon in Guilford. Stefano Fusi is his name. Very sought after and works with Yale New Haven Hospital. I was and am so pleased with him. I could probably get more recommendations if you want? Goggle him and you'll find his number. His website is very well done too.



    Good luck, Lauren

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited May 2013

    Whew!  I wish I could keep up with all the info flying around our thread!  I so enjoy reading about everyone, though, and wish I could stay on top of it all.

    First week back at work is over, and I made it.  I'm wearing tops that I would have never worn with my mx scar and foob bras, and that feels nice.  All week, though, I would sit at my desk and absently think, "I wish I could get out of these pants and this bra, they're both too tight," but of course, it was just the incisions stinging a little.  I understand and can relate to wanting to just BE DONE with surgeries and procedures, but I'm looking forward to Stage II when they shape these odd, lumpy and "at different altitude" breasts a little better.  

    Welcome to the other side, SheChirple!  

    Dyvgrl, praying for the path report.  For me this, was a tough wait, and probably is for absolutely everyone.  

    My PS said absolutly nothing about compression anything, and on my two-week post-op visit he said I could start wearing a bra.  So I just put on the same mx bras I was wearing pre-op (without the foob, of course!).  I'm wondering if it will be the same for Stage II, when he does a lot of shaping and lipo and fat transfer.  We'll see, I guess.  

    Happy Memorial Day, everyone!  Katy

  • Pattysmiles
    Pattysmiles Member Posts: 954
    edited May 2013

    Vballmom,

    You might want to try the reconstruction websites.

    Do you know e type of reconstruction you want?

    Implants?

    Tram flap -uses abdominal fat and a piece of muscle

    DIEP flap_uses only abdominal fat (along with capillaries -it is a microsurgery-



    I am sure you will find a board to give you good info.



    Yes, there is NOLA (there is a board for them), there is Charlotte (they have a board as well), I think I've read of some going to Boston. There is always NYC (a hike though)



    I have a surgeon from Stamford, dr. Julie Vasile, she does the DIEP, don't know what else she might do...she comes into Westchester, NY (where I am) to work with my breast surgeon at the Breast Institute in Northern .Westchester Hospital...



    Good luck with your search.

    Pat

  • Catie2013
    Catie2013 Member Posts: 1,023
    edited May 2013

    There is a Charleston bound 2 forum deals with DIEP, SGAP, and PAP also. Been there, done that and very happy! Dr Richard M Kline.

  • Pattysmiles
    Pattysmiles Member Posts: 954
    edited May 2013

    Oops, thought I was on a different board when I responded!

    Thank you Catie for mentioning the other types of reconstruction. I knew there were more but couldn't think of what they were!

    Pat

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited May 2013

    Sbelizabeth,

    I'm completely freaked out about the path report since they found a spot in the sentinel node, she took the axillary pack out of my armpit. Praying they don't find anything there. Now I know chemo is in my future, but does this mean I also have to deal with radiation? The thought of rads just makes me sick to my stomach...

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    Just as an fyi.... Any free flap, not just diep...regardless of the donor location involves microvascular surgery, to reestablish blood flow via artery and vein. Capillaries are not part of the procedure. So it's important to find a ps with established microvascular skills. IMHO....compassion, accessibility, willingness to discuss and LISTEN to your individual concerns are important too. Hopefully the wealth of experiences here will help you find the right match for you.

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited May 2013

    Vbollmom,



    I also traveled to Charleston, SC, to Dr Richard Kline (partner is Dr James Craigie), Center for Natural Breast Reconstruction. Both trained under and still do occasional surgeries with the pioneer of free flap recon, Dr Robert Allen.



    Dr. Kline .... Nice, kind-hearted surgeon, no ego probs, has performed thousands of free flap surgeries, devotes his ENTIRE practice to breast cancer patients, and accepts ALL insurance as in network. He does surgery at a new suburban hospital with all private rooms. He has been a God send for me. I have had a lot of complications in other recon surgeries prior to finding him so he has had his work cut out for him and helped me tremendously.



    He does free phone consult if you can't travel to see him in person. I sent med records and pictures prior to our call. If you are interested in another opinion, please call and talk to his office manager of 15 years, Gail, a/k/a The Nicest Person Ever, who will help set up consult, have PA or RN surgery nurse take history, answer insurance questions, etc.

    866-374-2627.



    Warm wishes to finding a microsurgeon who can help you best for your personal decision!

  • vballmom
    vballmom Member Posts: 426
    edited May 2013

    Thanks, everyone!  I am looking to do either DIEP or TUG or SGAP. I prefer to use my legs or butt, but I am open for discussion on what is best for me.   I have plenty of donor sites to work from!  I am halfway between Boston and NY.   I appreciate all the input. I have visited so many sites my head is spinning - it's such a hard decision. 

  • peacelovedogs
    peacelovedogs Member Posts: 57
    edited May 2013

    Thanks to all for the well wishes! They must be working!



    My update at 11 days postoperative is much better than at 10 days. Today I feel alive. I actually did a really, really nice sponge bath and my husband helped me wash my hair in the sink. I've been doing sponge baths all along but today I just took my time and really feel so much better. I haven't napped today but considering I slept until 11:30 (!!!!) I guess that doesn't count much.



    I went for a short walk and plan to go for another in a bit. It's time for me to be at the ocean. I'm about 1.5 blocks to the beach and have been aching to smell the ocean and see it! We're supposed to have a nice moon rising tonight so I will be down there for that.



    I'm amazed at the many different post op instructions we receive. I have to wear a binder as much as possible. For me that's just fine. I have always loved compression for pain relief so this is nice. I am wearing tank tops. No mention of sports bras or anything. I still have one drain though so he might be holding off until next week.



    On the note of PS. I love mine. He is at Mayo Clinic Jacksonville (FL). He reminds my of Pierce Morgan. He is from Brazil originally. His name is Galen Perdikis. He is the head of Plastic surgery at mayo. He works with another micro vascular surgeon named Dr. Murray. He is actually an orthopedic surgeon. I'm extremely pleased with the care I received. I love that he works so closely with my oncology team. I consider myself extremely lucky to have Mayo in my backyard, so to speak. They have all private rooms, a cafeteria menu that is actually yummy and the nurses and other staff are just amazing. So if anyone is looking in the South East for a surgeon...



    I will have to have a second surgery. My left side (non cancer) needs some tweaking and I'm hoping to have a few lipo spots. One thing I noticed is I don't have cleavage. Is that normal? How can he make a little more cleavage? They are not close together but not awkwardly apart or anything. I'm not having the nipple procedure. I'm just not comfortable with having the headlights on 24/7. I'm hoping for 3D tattoo but if not then I will just be nipple-less. I went 3 years without boobs, I'm figuring I can handle no nipples!

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited May 2013

    Hi there - I've got a question for you veterans. When does all the marking happen? My only point of reference is 'Sex and the City' when Samantha almost has cosmetic surgery. I called my PS's office, and she said it happens at 6 am the day of the surgery (In 2 1/2 weeks!) But what happens - and how long does it take?  I presume I'll be standing naked in front of the surgeon and he'll draw on me - is that right?

    I'm anticipating a full on anxiety attack when it's time to say 'so long' to my nipples and tummy. I really like my breasts - even the funny looking one. I'm trying to steel myself for the inevitable - but there's nothing like being in a hospital cap and gown to make yourself feel vulnerable. Bring on the atavin!

    Lmo45 - We're ALL worried about the 'supercifical' stuff. We're women. If that sort of thing didn't matter, they wouldn't be selling fancy wigs and pretty scarves. And I think it's more than just vanity - it's part of our identity. 

    My hospital offered a 'look good feel good' program that dealt with wigs, and eyelashes, and scarves,  - and it was great for self esteem. The thought of being bald is pretty traumatic, so don't brush your feelings away as being not important. By the way - it was only the thought of being bald that was traumatic for me. I hated the thought of losing my hair - but once I shaved my head, it was easy.

    Janet

  • Catie2013
    Catie2013 Member Posts: 1,023
    edited May 2013

    Absolutely right Nihahi, and making sure the micro surgeons work in pairs (2 Drs trained extensively in micro surgery) to make sure the OR time isn't prolonged! I would make sure their practice is mostly if not entirely micro surgery!

  • kuka21174923
    kuka21174923 Member Posts: 427
    edited May 2013

    Peacelovedogs, I have no cleavage either and my breasts are far apart too. My ps is also going to fix that during stage 2. He's doing fat injections and another lift to bring them closer together. When you have nipple reconstruction, does it mean that you're going to have headlights 24/7? I've heard it wouldn't be like normal nipples and are much softer so they don't poke through? I want it to look as natural as possible, but don't want to worry about the poking through all the time either!

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited May 2013

    kuka21 - I've had the opportinuty of seeing reconstructed nipples, and they were indeed soft, and small. The women who had them were all very happy with the results.

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited May 2013

    Peacelovedogs,



    I knew you would love Dr P. I posted about him a while back. He should be experienced enough to do all the things on your wish list. Be sure to ask. And he will listen. Nice man.



    JanetM,



    My surgeon does markings the day before at pre op. I'm more relaxed then to discuss everything that will be done. My surgeon was so easy to talk to that I didnt need my xanax while I was being marked up at his office with him and surgery nurse. I was told to take a shower that day and next morning with Dial soap and not to worry if markings fade. He did a little touch up next morning of surgery.



    The morning of surgery the doc approved something when I first arrived to help me chill out while I was being prepped for OR in a private room.



    He also had me start Rx of miralax a few days before surgery, and also promotes extra high protein diet month before and after surgery to promote healing.



    Every PS has so many different recommendations. :)

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited May 2013

    PinkHeart - 

    Thanks - my surgeon doesn't want me to change my diet at all. Apart from taking a break from tamoxafin, there are no restrictions. On my own though, I'm eating very healthy foods, and cutting down to one coffee and day, and not nearly enough wine.

  • ssla01
    ssla01 Member Posts: 480
    edited May 2013

    JanetM . . . I cannot wait for my tamoxifen break!

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited May 2013

    Janet,



    "not nearly enough wine.". LOL

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited May 2013

    Janet M, my PS did the marking about 20 min. before I was due in the OR. She first sat on the bed, and made me stand in front of her, holding the gown covering nether regions so she could draw on the boob and on the tummy. Then she grabbed my fat roll a.k.a. tummy between her hands, pushed and moved it, assessing it, I presume. Felt a bit like a piece of meat on sale in a butchery, and almost died of embarrasment - lol. Next I had to lie on the bed while she and the other surgeon took turns with the Doppler, listening for where the best veins and arteries were in my tummy, which they then also marked. Then she proceeded to wheel me all the way to the OR herself, which was a nice touch. Hope this helps! Don't be shy. These docs see half-naked women all the time, and for them it's just their job. They do not think about our bodies like we do. To them you're just another piece of meat - LOL!

    Ssla, my Tamo break is almost over - have to start again tomorrow. Hoping for the best, but did not really notice much difference while I was off it. Apparently it has a half life of 14 days.

  • 5andcounting
    5andcounting Member Posts: 232
    edited May 2013

    Isn't it silly that I wish for tamoxifen and/or herceptin. Anything to target.



    I will finish my chemo by mid October and have stage 2 right before Christmas. Insurance reasons and a little present to me and hubby.



    How long til you feel like hitting the beach after stage 2?



    Also, when does breast pain stop? I'm 3.5 weeks and the right pec that had the complication still hurts.



    Wah, call the wahmbulance for me, I'm sick of my own self. I would love to be able to drive right now!

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited May 2013

    Crs,



    Pity party definitely allowed. We all have them. Sorry to hear you aren't able to drive yet. Do you still have drains?



    Have you had appointments yet with PT who work mostly with mastectomy /BC patients?



    They can do miracles. Dr Kline called my PT-CLT and talked with her about my most recent surgery and what areas to work on. She said he was the most polite and very informative (describing my surgery) surgeon she ever talked to. Most docs have staff call or fax order. His RN did after my first surgery, but this last surgery he did a unique situation that he wanted to explain to my PT.



    How soon to hit the beach after stage 2? It all depends on what you have done. I took a very slow, short beachwalk four days post op.



    My stage 3 was more like two weeks to do the same. Had minor complications that set me back.



    I would ask doc to confirm how soon you can swim in ocean or pool. It depends on how incisions are healing and drains. I still had two hip drains six weeks after SGAP so def no body surfing for me for awhile. :)







  • lilyun
    lilyun Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2013

    kuka21 I had my stage 2 5 weeks ago and got nipples and cleavage. As I never really had cleavage before I am thrilled. I had a single mx with no reconstruction 9 years ago so was obviously down one nipple all that time. I don't think that my new ones are headlights though. I am getting reajusted to having 2 nipples on 2 even but somewhat bigger breasts again.

  • lilyun
    lilyun Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2013

    Also, I had a question. When everyone talks about compression, how tight does the compression need to be ? I bought a pair of spanx that go from under the breasts to the thighs. I must have bought them too big as they don't really hold anything in. They seemed to be the right size according to the package. Also, how do the marena garments feel? Can you comfortably wear them all day? My dr has been in the "no compression" and "optional bra" group. He gave me a binder after Stage 2 because of the swelling and leaking that I was having from my lipo incision. The nurse told me that I can stop wearing it after I finish leaking but that I should get something like the spanx I described. She said that it keeps the fluid from settling down in the pubic region.They did give me a sports-like bra to wear after Stage 1 but it was too irritating to my skin where the drains had been so he said that I didn't have to wear it. Once I went back to work I wore the bras that he gave me. Yesterday I started wearing my mx bras. I didn't know how that would work without the prosthesis but then I remembered that I never had a prosthesis on one side and that worked fine. They feel much lighter and more comfortable than the sport bra. Since they were pretty new I figured that I might as well wear them and look forward to treating myself to something sexy in the future.

  • jakig
    jakig Member Posts: 55
    edited May 2013

    My (L) MX next Thursday. DIEP June 10th if all is well... I just wanted to say thanks to all those posting of their progress. Just knowing recovery and positive things happen after the DIEP surgery is helping me to get ready mentally. Reading your realities helps me immensely. Thanks and please keep sharing...

  • faith729
    faith729 Member Posts: 244
    edited May 2013

    JanetM my ps did the marking on the morning of my surgery as well. Thanks to Gini23 I knew what to expect since we had the same PS. He first had me sit on the edge of the bed and then stand in front of him. I had taken my last ativan on the morning of surgery as they told me I could so I was pretty calm and barely remembered till you asked lol there is actually a lot that I don't really remember from the whole experience. I compare it to having our first baby we worry so much then after deliery we are relieved and pleased that everything went ok and we forget much of the worry and pain so we have more kids ;)



    Vballmom I personally loved my PS in Boston Dr Matthew J Carty ! He was great through the whole process he was kind, considerate and willing to answer every question and explained everything very clearly to both my husband and I. His staff was great also. He specializes in microvascular surgery. I had DIEP recon but we discussed all other options as well before deciding on DIEP. Hope your able to sort through all the info without too much of a headache !



    Lilyun not sure about anyone else but my ps said that it doesn't need to be too tight just a medium compression. What I gather is that it should be comfortable not pinching or too restricting. I feel like my binder doesn't do much either but I notice more swelling and discomfort if I go without for even an hour (yes I've cheated the system 24 hr compression bugs me ) =)

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited May 2013

    Dyvgrl, I don't believe everyone who has chemo also goes through rads, especially if there's a mastectomy performed, instead of just a lumpectomy.  My own diagnosis meant they threw everything the had at me, and now I can feel confident that I've done everything possible to put BC behind me.

    But if your path report comes back and your team recommends rads, please don't panic.  It's very do-able.  it just adds another layer of treatment to help you conquor the beast.

    For my rads treatments, I went to work every day and left at 2:30 to make it to my rads appointment.  I chatted with the rads techs, who became friends, lay down, got zapped, and went home to ride my bike.  Some women have increased fatigue, but I didn't notice this particularly.

    You're in my prayers this weekend.  Katy

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    Dyvgrl..... We all are sending you hugs and calming thoughts. Gosh, I wish there was a magic wand to help everyone through the "getting the diagnosis, waiting pre-treatment" stage!!!!!! 

    Peacelovedogs......ATTA GIRL! Isn't it amazing what 24 hours can do!!!! Enjoy the moonrise on the beach. 

    Somehow, I managed to turn off the email notification button, so have just caught up with this thread. So many posts since this afternoon....all I want to say is....."not enough wine"......LOVE IT!

  • kuka21174923
    kuka21174923 Member Posts: 427
    edited May 2013

    Katy, you went to work everyday with your rads? Wow! You're a trooper! I've never had rads, but saw my mom go through them and she was just too fatigued to do anything, but they really radiated her to the max! I think we should call our group super women for everything we're able to go through and still live our normal life. I'm only 4 weeks out and took my kids bowling today, then came home and walked 3 miles and rode bikes with them. I think I'm more active now than before surgery!

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