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  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    ssla01.....good to hear you're safe. Sending prayers to those who were in harm's way today.

  • SheChirple
    SheChirple Member Posts: 954
    edited May 2013

    Hang in there

    ssla.........

  • Moviemaniac
    Moviemaniac Member Posts: 949
    edited May 2013

    Dropped by to say "hello" to all you lovelies......and I see that Nihahi is out on her bike, SBElizabeth has gone back to work.......people are talking about phantom itchiness ......(about which I am an expert.....have been having it right in the spot my missing left nipple would be.....). Will have to try scratching in the armpit..... :). I also experience occasional phantom "nipple-shriveling" when I get out of the shower and it's chilly. Anyone else?



    I, too, ditched the heavy pain meds at first opportunity....in the hospital, I was given a morphine pump and used it 3 times in 24 hours.....when I started to see bugs crawling up and down my walls, I pulled the plug. At home, I became weepy and combative.....due to the OxyContin and oxycodone ......I was off of those within a week......Tylenol extra-strength became my new best friend......



    Best wishes to all going in this week......just follow Liefie......she knows how to do it right! :)



    I leave for Japan on Friday.......nervous as hell........I hope those poor Japanese women don't faint, or think that I'm sporting the newest fad from America.......the Onsen will never be the same!



    Namaste and God bless - Jackie

  • Cuetang
    Cuetang Member Posts: 575
    edited May 2013

    Thanks ladies for the input on the "itches"...glad to know that I don't have a rare side effect! It does go away, but doesn't stop it from being annoying.  Tongue Out  sbelizabeth--thanks for that story, I was cracking up while reading it on the metro ride home. 

    kuka-- for me, the DIEP boobs were really hard after surgery, and have recently started softening up.  It's for sure not like the originals I have to say!

    ssla01--glad to hear that you didn't have any real damage!

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited May 2013

    ssla01 - good to hear you escaped mostly unscathed. I used to live in Moore and this is at least the 2nd time I've seen that town wiped out. Glad I moved when I did!

  • Catie2013
    Catie2013 Member Posts: 1,023
    edited May 2013

    Ssla - so glad you are safe and so sorry for your neighbors that aren't in OK.

  • kuka21174923
    kuka21174923 Member Posts: 427
    edited May 2013

    Feel so bad for all those people in OK. We're having a tornado watch here today until 7pm. Several schools are already dismissing kids from school, so I'm going to go get mine and come home and get in the closet.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    Dyvgrl....incredible connection for you! Unbelieveable what the people in that area have gone through. 

    sbelizabeth....Just got back from doing another bike ride....18km this time. Thank god for padded bike shorts!!! I just stay on paved or "groomed" bike trails, as I don't trust my arm/shoulder strength to handle the "off road stuff" which is likely more your style. But, strong arms have never been part of "me". Hope day 2 of work isn't quite as tiring, but you used up a lot of energy yesterday, so pace yourself!!!!!

    Liefie...what a difference a week makes, eh? Bet you are enjoying being home, and I bet hubby is tired, but also relieved, big time, that it is now all "history" for you. Bet your sons have lots of stories to tell some day about their road trip yesterday. 

    Thinking of this week's "graduates" to the diep veteran ranks. 

    Peacelovedogs and Weerah.....hoping things are well?

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    sheesh Kuka.....stay safe!!!!!!!

  • faith729
    faith729 Member Posts: 244
    edited May 2013

    Kuka stay safe ! Looking forward toan update later when the storms pass.



    I've just been reading when I can what a busy thread we have!



    Movie I have phantom nipple sensation when I get the chills mostly. Also my armpits are pretty numb yet somehow I get an itch there almost daily. I'll scratch but clearly can't really feel it lol so weird.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited May 2013

    First off, those of you in the tornado areas, please stay safe! Can't believe the destruction and loss of life, and hope/pray it will dissipate very soon.

    Second off, Beezuz, hope you are resting comfortably today!LyndaMarie, you are probably still in surgery as we speak - best wishes to you! Bailey and SheChirpie, I'm 5 days out, and doing just great. You will too!

    Third off, Movie, hope your DD is better today? Was shocked at what she is going through at her young age?! Poor thing! You have to relax now, and start enjoying the prospect of Japan, okay Bellie? You're going to wow their socks off with your new DIEP breasts, not to mention the crotch eyes - lol! They ain't seen nothing yet!

    Nihahi, DH and I had such a beautiful sleep last night after the boys phoned from Edmonton around 10 to say that they had arrived there safe and sound - phew! You are amazing - riding 18 km on a bike? You and sbelizabeth will inspire me to start looking at bicycles - lol! More on the other thread later.

    As far as my recovery, I am truly amazed at myself 5 days out. Getting stronger every day, and this morning was able to bathe myself from head to foot, dry off and dress with no help at all. Moving up and down stairs with ease, walking around almost upright. Breast drain was pulled in hospital 3 days post-op, crotch drains are putting out very little. DH phoned PS office this morning, spoke to her secretary asking if he could pull them tonight. Waiting to hear back from PS. Expected to have the drains much longer, because with my mastectomy I had the drain for 17 days. Maybe my recovery is not typical, but I think that it really, really pays off big time to go into this fit and strong. The nurses at the hospital were surprised that I 'came back' so quickly with literally not the slightest complication, and referred to me as a model patient. As for me, I'm just grateful that it is over, and that it went so well. So pleased with the new boobie and flat tummy!! All of you still waiting, I sincerely wish you the same speedy, uneventful, boring recovery.

  • kuka21174923
    kuka21174923 Member Posts: 427
    edited May 2013

    For some reason I decided to walk to the kids school with my neighbor since it wasn't raining yet. Bad idea! It started rainning as I was approaching the school and I had to take off running. I couldn't run back home, so my neighbor went to get her car and drove me back. Thank goodness! I can say that I'm definetly not ready to run yet. I'm ready for a nap now, but need to stay up and monitor the weather. So far they have cancelled all flights to and from Dallas.

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited May 2013

    All you peeps down in storm country - be safe! Keeping everyone in my prayers!

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited May 2013

    Day number two back in the office.  It was a day of meetings, and I wore my new lipstick red patent leather high heels.  I mean it, they were killing me, but SO worth it.  One of my internet purchases while on vicodin.  Like eBay shopping after a couple of martinis...not a good idea.

    How long does it take for the hardness in the new girls to soften up a little?  They're not hard throughout, just some small areas.

    Off to the bikes.  My DH made it home from work in time to go along, but you know what that means...all the legless buzzy reptiles that I see, HE sees, and I don't get ahead.  Right now I'm five up.  

  • Lmo45
    Lmo45 Member Posts: 39
    edited May 2013

    Sbelizabeth, you crack me up! Glad work is going ok.



    I'm 3 weeks tomorrow and am healing well. I have a compression bra and enjoy taking breaks and the pain in my breasts is getting better.



    I'm getting port put in June 4 and will start 8 rounds of chemo soon after. It will be a long Summer/Fall, then this can be behind me.



    I don't have phantom feeling yet, but definitely weird twinges.



    I still need pain meds. Am working a few hours here and there, and DH and immediately family have been doing so much for me, my kids, very lucky.



    Have a great night everyone and god bless! Lauren

  • jakig
    jakig Member Posts: 55
    edited May 2013

    Regarding the "delayed" immediate reconstruction. Due to my cancer size and shape, the general surgeon wanted to have a final pathology report after the mastectomy before they do the DIEP. She said clear margins and a definitive report would set the plastic surgeon up for success and identify any margin issues not seen during the mastectomy. I was told that path report would take 5 days or more to culture and cut and so forth. I had heard this same discussion from the previous team I "interviewed," and though I asked to have both surgeries the same date, it was denied due to this pathology explanation.  Now, today, they have re-scheduled my surgeries! Just when I had them on the calendar. I have the mastectomy May 30th, and the DIEP June 10. I'm beginning to feel some anxiety, but am trying to just focus on each day that arrives and not get stuck in the future.

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited May 2013

    sbelizabeth,



    You wrote on your blog about your microsurgeon having to do a lot of cleanup work on your radiated breast as so much scar tissue was adhered (fried) to your chest wall.



    Do you mind saying whether or not your breast surgeon placed a TE or small implant after your mastectomy in anticipation of radiation? I may have missed your post about your specific situation.



    So glad to hear your return to work is going so well!

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    Jakig.....like we all said to Liefie.....things happen for a reason. I get how having the date moved up is unsettling, but at least it is moved closer, not farther out. I'm sure you're in good hands, and your surgeons want the best outcome they can get for you. At some point, you need to trust YOUR instincts, and if you're comfortable with the "plan".....then let the people trained and experienced in what needs to be done, do their thing. 

    Pinkheart....what the heck were you doing up in the wee hours to post???? Aren't you on the east coast? 

    sbelizabeth....."snappy shoes", you are setting the style bar pretty high lately, bet you're feeling good!!!!!!!

    Pretty sunrise here this morning....hope all have good days.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited May 2013

    Pinkheart, my team, including breast surgeon, med onc, rad onc, and plastic surgeon, had a meeting before my mastectomy in April 2012 to discuss the best way to help me kick cancer to the curb.  The bs and ps were thinking an expander would be a good idea to help prevent some of the adhesions that eventually occurred, but the rad onc was 100% against it.  I had a nasty cancer.  Significant nodal involvement, with some cancer in a small area of my breast's dermal lymphatics, and he wanted the targeting of the radiation to be exact, intense, and perfect.  The goal was to zap whatever cancer nits might be hanging around WITHOUT cooking my heart or lung in the process.  So no tissue expander.

    That being said, I know many other women who have had a tissue expander in place during rads and did just fine.  I think my rad onc was very conservative, and very goal-oriented toward my surviving the cancer as well as surviving a very aggressive course of radiation.  In fact, that's specifically what I told him, to consider cure to be the goal, with the cosmetic result to be secondary.

    I'm thrilled that this surgery not only gave me a boob-like bump and I don't have to wear a prosthesis the rest of my life, but the painful, stuck-down tissue that affected my shoulder and neck range of motion was removed.  I still have a big, adhered radiation wound scar behind my arm that will need to be addressed, and that's in this year's plan too. One day at a time.

    Nihahi, I'm wearing flip flops today.  No meetings, and I have blisters on a couple of toes.  I wonder where they came from?  Oh, well.  "Beauty knows no pain."

    LMO, I had blood drawn yesterday and I missed my little port.  They removed it during the DIEP (from the underside!  No new scar!).  Placing it was absolutely no big deal, and I came to think of it as a tiny friend that protected my veins and helped me through the chemo.  My own chemo experience was a interval in my life when I was supported, encouraged, protected, and occasionally emotionally carried, by friends, family, and caregivers.  I was humbled by their love and desire to help.  I hope the same for you, dear sister.

    Happy Hump Day, everyone!  (That means it's Wednesday, in case you thought it was something else.)  Katy

  • Dyvgrl
    Dyvgrl Member Posts: 471
    edited May 2013

    Jakig-

    I am in the same situation - delayed recon because we're not sure about rads or chemo til path comes back. So frustating, but I just try to remember that things have to happen in a specific order - killing cancer being number 1. I can live without a breast mound for awhile longer. I was first told two weeks after I could get recon, then after an MRI revealed 3 more suspicious spots, we decided to install a TE and wait for pathology. I decided to forego the 3 additional biopsies - at that point a mastectomy just seemed a better choice so what did it matter if it's coming out anyway. I really really hate biopsies. Now the PS says - more than likely I'm looking at August. Sigh. I guess it's there way of telling me I at least have chemo in my future. He won't do any recon until treatment is completely over, whether that's rads or chemo so I guess I'm in it for the long haul. Kinda pisses me off because they don't start out telling you this stuff. I guess it's the danger in being optimistic, and there is way too much info getting thrown at you in the beginning anyway - gloom and doom is really not what you need at that point. Bottom line - kill the cancer dragon first - then worry about being a princess!

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited May 2013

    Dyvgrl--I can so relate.  I went into my lumpectomy thinking my cancer was smaller than a tic-tac, no big deal, and it just didn't turn out that way.  It was hard, looking ahead to all the treatment I would be required to endure, but one day at a time...putting one foot in front of the other...it was accomplished. 

    Much better taking your time and taking things in the order recommended, like you're doing. 

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited May 2013

    I so agree with all the comments to take your time, be patient, resign yourself, and let it unfold step by step. Your medical team has your best interest at heart - why won't they? - and has the experience and the knowledge to deal with this. I was one of those who had to get a TE at mastectomy, because nobody knew the pathology at the time. As it turned out, it was such a wise decision -  I had to get chemo and rads because of one positive lymph node. Was I upset? You bet - I was HOPPING MAD, but I just had to calm down. My TE was filled to its full capacity in the weeks after the mastectomy. Then chemo followed for three months, and then rads. Instead of 16 rads, the newer Canadian protocol, my prescribed rads dosage was spread out over 25 rads to take the TE  into consideration, and to minimize the damage. I had the TE for 15 months. With DIEP surgery last week my PS was quite impressed with what she found, and described the rads damage as nothing extensive or unusual, and way better than she expected. The treatment of bc is not something you can hurry along. It has to run its course, and takes its own time.

    PS gave DH permission to pull one of the tummy drains last night, so only one left now which will probably come out on Friday when I see the PS. Yayyy!!! - the last pesky pipe hanging off me. A good thing I bought myself two pairs of oversized Walmart cotton pj's. That's all I've been wearing since I came home, and those big pj drawstring bottoms are a godsend. Not wearing a panty, because I just can't work out where the drain must go - LOL. Sorry, this is probably TMI .

    Sbelizabeth, enjoyed your shoe story! There is nothing more beautiful or sexy than a well-made high heel shoe, but my glory days are over - just can't stay on them for more than an hour. Now and then I also give in, and buy another pair, but cannot really wear them anymore. To think that in my youth I taught school for years on 5 inch heels all day every day - how the heck did we do it? LOL! That's probably why I had to get bunion surgery years later . . . vanity, thy name is woman!

    Nihahi, what form of exercise are you doing today?

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    Dyvgrl......there's nothing at all wrong with being optimistic, as long as you can temper it with a good dose of acceptance and fight. We certainly do ourselves no good, by expecting the worst. One day at a time......or sometimes, one hour at a time. You'll get there.

    Sbelizabeth.....hmmm, blisters.....hard to imagine where they've come from (snicker, snicker!). Bet you looked smashing yesterday, and flip flops today sound just fine.

    Liefie....woohoo.....just one drain to go! I lived in my pjs too the first few days at home. Then started getting dressed, so I could walk my laps is the condo hallways. Just back from another bike ride, got a few sprinkles while riding, but it has started to rain now, so I'm glad I went earlier. 21km today.....more of a bird day, than flowers. Saw my first black headed herons!!!!

    Time now to do the boring stuff like housework. Keep walking!!!

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited May 2013

    Dyvgrl......there's nothing at all wrong with being optimistic, as long as you can temper it with a good dose of acceptance and fight. We certainly do ourselves no good, by expecting the worst. One day at a time......or sometimes, one hour at a time. You'll get there.

    Sbelizabeth.....hmmm, blisters.....hard to imagine where they've come from (snicker, snicker!). Bet you looked smashing yesterday, and flip flops today sound just fine.

    Liefie....woohoo.....just one drain to go! I lived in my pjs too the first few days at home. Then started getting dressed, so I could walk my laps is the condo hallways. Just back from another bike ride, got a few sprinkles while riding, but it has started to rain now, so I'm glad I went earlier. 21km today.....more of a bird day, than flowers. Saw my first black headed herons!!!!

    Time now to do the boring stuff like housework. Keep walking!!!

  • Catie2013
    Catie2013 Member Posts: 1,023
    edited May 2013

    Dyvgirl, I guess it's the Elephant diet - and how you eat that Elephant - ONE BITE AT A TIME!!!



    I drove for the first time since my latest surgery today - big deal for me as I have two painful areas that fell like I've got staples in me but aren't staples but inside sutures that are very much like wire but not - and supposed to dissolve?! I'm good with that, and will be patient but had to nix the Loratab and Vallium in favor of getting myself behind the wheel in case I need to make a very speedy trip to hospice for my dad. Happy I made the transition, ibuprofen and tylenol not cutting it, but remembering the reason is my motivation! Sad day as my driving took me to a card store to buy DIL, GD, birthday cards and my oldest GD a graduation card!!! I had a store credit and bought my dad a Father's Day card - it just said the perfect thing, then choked up at the counter when paying for it = hoping I get to either give it or send it to him (7 hours away)!



    Pity party over, sorry!

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited May 2013

    We officially award Liefie's DH the TOWANDA award for pulling her drain.  Even if he's a nurse or other medical professional, it takes some grit to do that.  Here's to one drain to go!

    Third day in the office, and to my consternation and amazement, I'm finding that I have little chunks of memory that have completely disappeared, as far back as a couple of weeks before the surgery.  A whole conference call that I scheduled myself and attended with three or four colleagues is just gone.  It has to be the 12 hours of anesthesia and pain meds and all, but I'm hoping I didn't sell the house or buy an elephant on eBay or anything. 

    Catie, good for you to be up and around.  I know it hurts.  Every day gets better, at least it did for me.  And I'm so sorry about your dad.  I lost mine almost 25 years ago and I still miss him every day.  Katy

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited May 2013

    Catie, good for you on that Father's day card. They so appreciate receiving it! Like sbelizabeth, I wish I could send my dad one, but he passed in 2006.

    sbelizabeth, I share your intense hatred for drains, and I'm so relieved that I'm losing them so soon after surgery this time. DH is a fam. physician, so pulling drains is not a big deal for him. Will tell him he won an award though - lol! I just did not want to wait till Friday when I see the PS, because there was very little output in that drain since Sunday. Hear you about the memory issues, and admire you girls who work so hard. Guess we'll find out in a few weeks' time what I did and said while under the' influence' . . . lol!

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited May 2013

    sbelizabeth and you other southern California girls - now I know why y'all are out biking and hiking and having fun.  This weather is absolutely amazing.  Mid 60's and sunny with only 66% humidity.  Did I die and go to heaven?  I left 96% humidity.  Wanna stay!!!  Thanks for listening to my commercial for SoCal.

    Glad all are doing so well.  Liefie, you are amazing.  Your DH must have gone to back-room med school with mine.  Love those guys that can pull the drains for us.  I am too squeamish.

  • HHCats
    HHCats Member Posts: 121
    edited May 2013

    Hello All - I'm 4 weeks+ now.  I am getting back to my normal routine - volunteering at the school, not having to nap during the day, running errands and making dinner.  Stay-at-home mom stuff.  It feels good to be back.  My belly button is very hard - is this normal?  My PS saw it last week and remarked how great it looked.  It doesn't look great to me!  My scabs are starting to really come off and everything looks like it is healing well.  I am really tired at night and have an early bedtime still!  I'm like my kids - except I actually sleep!  Can't wait until week 6.  I get to start working out again - modified of course.  

    I know people have been talking about Week #2 and depression and emotional outbursts.  That was me, too.  I think a lot of it is coming off all the meds - so much is in your system and you really don't realize it.  Also, it is quite the emotional crash after the frenetic build up to the surgery.  

    Also the elephant in the room analogy was pretty much bang on.  I went through a lot of "what if it comes back" in Week #2 and my DH just let me freak out and sob.  Said I had to get it out and get myself to a place where I could live with it.  It took a lot of soul-searching, prayer and finally a very angry letter to God. Yup, I wrote a letter - 4 pages typed.  I gave it all up to God and decided that when the elephant gets me - I'm handing the elephant over to God to deal with.  I'm doing my best to do all that I can.  

  • mammalou
    mammalou Member Posts: 823
    edited May 2013

    Sbelizabeth - I, too, had some dermal lymphatic involvement. I still worry about the IBC possibility as I presented with a red breast. Did your docs ever talk about that?



    I am a month out from surgery and wondering what I should be doing to prepare myself?

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