who has had a prophylactic mastectomy?

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Dawnie
Dawnie Member Posts: 21

I am very high risk (strong family history on mom and dad side+BRCa+very dense tissue). I am having a complex cyst aspirated and I saw my moms oncoligist today....because I trust her opinion. She did a breasted exam and felt lymph nodes on the left (this is new) and the cyst on the right. She ordered sn MRI and US. She mentioned several times mastectomy. She also said my history and BRCa are "my crystal ball" . I appreciate her frankness!



Who has had a profalactic mastectomy? What type if recovert have you had? Any issues with insurance? If all my tests are ok I am really leaning towards this procedure for piece of mind.

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  • peanutsgal
    peanutsgal Member Posts: 161
    edited February 2013

    Dawnnie



    Hi! I just had my PBMX last month and am in the middle of reconstruction. I cannot imagine any insurance company denying you especially with BRCA+ status. I did not have this test done, as my insurance company does not cover it unless you actually have a cancer diagnosis. In the last two years I have had numerous biopsies all with a pathology of atypical lobular hyperplasia. My breasts were also extremely dense and drs never were 100% sure they were getting the complete picture with mammograms. My MRI results always mentioned the density of my breasts as well. I thought on it for two long years, did some soul searching and decided I needed to take the next step for my peace of mind. I am currently going through the tissue expansion phase of reconstruction and will be getting silicone implants sometime in April. So far it has all been doable. It is a big decision and you do have the luxury of time to be sure of what you want to do. I know for me it was the right choice. Good luck on your upcoming diagnostics and feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

  • Dawnie
    Dawnie Member Posts: 21
    edited February 2013

    Peanutsgal thanks for the info! I know everyone is different but did you have much down/recoop time after the surgery? How long were you in the hospital? Wondering how muvh time i would plano off work.



    I think I will call my insurance company to see whet they will do....that may help my decision ad well.

  • peanutsgal
    peanutsgal Member Posts: 161
    edited February 2013

    I do not work, but if I had a job that was not physical, I could've gone to work last week (4 weeks after surgery) however, if your job is strenuous, you will need the full 6 weeks off. I was only in the hospital overnight. Went home before breakfast trays came to the room. Only needed serious help for the first three days. Other than that, just needed someone to drive me to dr. appointments until the drains came out.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2013

    Dawnie - I had one almost a year ago for ALH, ADH. Please see my bio. Also, I'd be happy to answer any questions.

  • brownlee
    brownlee Member Posts: 34
    edited February 2013

    Dawnie,

    My mom got bc at 41 and then 7 years ago at 57 in the other breast. She tested negative for BRCA but she just did the BART test.  When her cancer appeared in her other breast at 57 I thought long and hard about a pbmx.  Everyone thought it was crazy.  Well 7 years later, this past nov. I was dx with DCIS.  I was some how relieved that my biopsy was positive, so I could now deal with it. It was stage 0 and I still got crap from friends for the bmx. 

    I can tell you this, if I had BRCA confirmed I would have done it.  I am glad however I waited for one reason.  Nipple sparing mast. have come a long way and luckily I was a good candidate.  Psychologically it made world of difference.  I am 44 now.  Seven years ago I wasn't sure if wanted children and I was running out of time.  I was afraid to get pregnant because of the BC risk and the hormones.   If I were younger, I may have done the pbmx and then had a baby.  Well, I ran out time-never understood how any could afford daycare anyway!   I am very content with my doggies.

    If you are comfortable with the added risk of keeping your nipples (and risk they may be lost in or after surgery), it may be something to consider.  One of my best friends is BRCA+ and she got  DCIS at 41 and then they found 5 small invasive tumors in her good breast during her bmx that didn't show up on her MRI, mammo or US.  So that bmx saved her life.  She was able to keep her nipples!  A really really good BS is necessary. Mine surgeon is the best but he doesn't do many nipple sparing mx and he still did an amazing job.

    Best of Luck!

  • Dawnie
    Dawnie Member Posts: 21
    edited February 2013

    Farmerlucydaisy & Brownlee, thank you for your responses.

    Update: had my cyst aspiration on Friday & they found something hard so they did a biopsy. I also met with my mothers oncologist last week who is not "pushing" me into PBMX but she referred me to a great surgeon, at least reputation wise she is great. "We" always want to know if we are going to get cancer and I asked the doctor about my test results (pre biopsy) and said I know you don't have a crystal ball but..........she said my BRCA & family history are my crystal ball. I just love her honesty!

    Part of me says geez I hope it is cancer as that would help me with decision (ok I know that is silly, but I think you all know what I mean). Hoping to have the results Tuesday or Wednesday; I am thinking Friday as Monday is a holiday (should never have these types of tests on a Friday!).

    Dawn

    PS: Do any of you picture BMX bicycles when you type PBMXLaughing just tring to lighting my mood a little.

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited February 2013

    Dawnie, I am BRCA negative but with a very long and wide family history of BC. When diagnosed with LCIS at the time of 3 biopsies (all were benign), I made an instant decision to do prophy bmx and recon.  Tired of looking over my shoulder waiting for my turn with the family disease.  I had the pbmx and d.i.e.p. recon 19 months ago, and I am stronger and healthier than ever in my life.  

    The d.i.e.p. option uses abdominal fat instead of implants to form the reconstructed breasts, so there's a more complicated recovery because of the abdominal donor site. I fly every other week to teach seminars and took 9 weeks off from flying, but I was out walking and back to most normal activities after six weeks.  I believe that implant reconstruction gives a bit speedier bounce back, but I don't know that first hand.  If you decide to do the bmx, there are many, many wonderful women in the recon forum who can shed light on recon options; and there are some great discussions going on by those who have chosen not to recon. So you can get all kinds of perspectives on whether to recon or not; whether to recon at the same time as your bmx or wait a while, etc.

    I don't regret my decision one bit and feel simply that I got 'it' before 'it' got me!  Good luck with your decision.

  • besa
    besa Member Posts: 1,088
    edited February 2013

    You might want to post on the "NOLA in September" tread in "breast reconstruction" - I know there are many women there who have had prophylactic mastectomies with microvascular (DIEP, GAP etc reconstructions) or other threads in the reconstruction forum.  Also the web site www.facingourrisk.org for information and again at this site other women in your position.  Read the guidelines on your insurance policy but generally insurance will not be a problem if you have a strong family history and especially if there is a BRCA mutation.  A really good book - the best I have seen on the subject- get a copy of the latest edition of kathy Steligo's "Breast reconstruction Guidebook" to learn about your reconstruction options  (if you are interested in reconstruction) and how to choose a really good plastic surgeon.  http://www.breastrecon.com/  or from Amazon.com   It looks like the same author has written a book on hereditary breast cancer and options (one of the others authors is the women who founded FORCE  - see link above. 

  • kellyannclarke
    kellyannclarke Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2013

    Hi peanutsgal. I'm a reporter for the Khaleej Times in Dubai and am currently researching with the aim to do an indepth feature piece on women who have undergone prophylactic mastectomies. Wuld you be happy to talk to me as I am really keen to speak to someone, first hand, who has had the procedure. my work email is kelly@khaleejtimes.com and I would really appreciate your help if you are happy to open up about your experiences. Many thanks, Kelly Clarke

  • JMotk
    JMotk Member Posts: 20
    edited April 2013

    I had mine in January as a result of minute ALH.  I started writing about it just to get it off my chest (no pun intended) if you want to read up on my story.

    http://www.monkeysnugglebutter.com/

  • swalking
    swalking Member Posts: 4
    edited April 2013

    Dawnie,  I see your last post on this topic was back in February so I assume you have your results and may have already had to make your decision.  I hope you are at peace with your decision whatever it may be.  If there is a chance you or anyone is is still wondering about those of us who have elected to have a PBMX, I will share my story. I like your doctor's crystal ball reference.  I have to say, that is how I feel.

    My sister and I learned we are both BRCA1+ in January 2011. She had a SS/NS PBMX in June (at age 31) and I had mine in November of that year (at age 35). Our mother is a two-time BC survivor (age 29 and 45).  Her sister survived BC in her late 30s/early 40s but succumbed to OC about 10 years later. Their cousin died from BC in her mid 30s. So, every person in our family who has had the mutation has had BC by the time they reach their early 40s.

    Getting insurance coverage for the PBMX has been surprisingly smooth sailing (even now as I am in the process of revision surgeries), considering how difficult it was for me to get my MRIs and mammograms covered.  Every 6 months I had a struggle with them!

    Recovery was difficult but doable with pain meds and support ;) I took 6 weeks off of work (my sister only had 4).  I had no pain by the time I returned, but due to complications, I did have to return with an open wound from skin necrosis. That finally got resolved with a small procedure and strong antibiotics about 2 months after my surgery.  

    Best,

    Sarah

  • Dawnie
    Dawnie Member Posts: 21
    edited April 2013

    Sarah, thank you for the reply....well thanks to everyone:).

    I read your blog & it is very informative. I love your suggestions post op! What you are going through with reconstruction is my fear....pain & discomfortFrown. I'm prepared for the mastecomy pain but still squimish about the reconstruction.....just not convinced yet it is worth it. I wonder if grieving the loss of a breast(s) is common (I work in hospice so I of course think of grief). Anyway, thank you again for the link to your blog...I'll keep an eye on it.

    Dawn

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited April 2013

    Dawn, for what it's worth, I think the anticipation was much worse than the reality for my reconstruction. My recon was diep, and yes it was challenging at first --really only the first two weeks--and then slow but steady and not painful progress from there. And at the end of it all, the most important comment I can make is that I feel so very whole. The breasts do not look 100% like my 'old' ones, and of course, there are scars on the breasts and on my abdomen from the donor site, but the breasts are me, they feel and move like my natural breasts, and now...I almost forget that I had a pbmx.

    Good luck on your continued deliberations.

  • Dawnie
    Dawnie Member Posts: 21
    edited April 2013

    I met with the PS on Monday and she said I am a prime candidate for direct implants.....so I called my surgeon and scheduled the PBM with direct implants. I am scheduled for June 19th. I am feeling pretty good about my decison & that I am off the fence:). I really want to feel better and I know that most of my issues are due to my being so consumed by the decision & the "what if's". Well I MADE THE DECISION to take control of my darn life!

    Thank you all for your kind words & support.

    Dawn

  • peanutsgal
    peanutsgal Member Posts: 161
    edited April 2013

    Dawnie,



    So glad you are comfortable with your decision. I just had my exchange to implants last week and things have gone amazingly smooth for me. I wish you the best of luck in June. I will keep you in mind and say a pray on the 19th for you. If you have any questions or if you just need a sounding block between now and then, please don't hesitate to PM me. I'm willing to share the good, the bad and the ugly! Rest easy knowing that the anticipation is absolutely the worst part. I hate that I expended sooooo much energy on the "what ifs" that never happened. It is doable and you will find great support here. Hang in there!

  • kuka21174923
    kuka21174923 Member Posts: 427
    edited May 2013

    Dawn, I am BRCA2 positive. Have a long BC family history, starting with my great grandfather and ending with my mom, who had 5 recurrences.

    I can tell you it was a very hard decision for me to make even though I had known for several years. I never researched how the surgery would be and I thought since they would spear the skin it would just be like getting a boob job!

    I, like you, also had very dense breast tissue. Even had it under my armpits, and people even thought it was fat rolls, but it wasn't.

    I'm 35 have a wonderfull husband and 3 kids. I had my ovaries removed 2 years ago since it reduces your chances for ovarian and breast cancer by 50%. That still wasn't enough for me. Regular population only have 6-8% chance of developing BC and I wanted that or less.

    My mom has have two sets of implants, and both have been very painful. When you don't have the breast tissue it is very different than getting a boob job. The implants can move towards the sides, drop down, are cold, etc...

    I opted to do the DIEP reconstruction where they take fat tissue from your stomach and use it to make your new breasts. They feel soft, warm and are almost as natural as your real ones. Plus, I didn't want to worry about changing out my implants in 10-15 years. I was carrying a little extra fat on my tummy area from having three kids, so having a tummy tuck was an extra. I had my surgery 10 days ago and I feel great! I walk around, play with my kids, drive. I'm just taking Tylenol as needed for pain, so not painful at all!!!

    Please, do your research about spearing your nipple. I did a lot if research. By spearing it you are leaving a 7% chance more of developing cancer. That was the hardest part for me. Emotionally I didn't think I could do it without the nipple, but it really hasn't. I'm planning on having it reconstructed in 12 weeks and they do awesome work! You loose the feeling on your boobs either way. And I mean they're completely numb. If I close my eyes and someone comes and touches my breasts I wouldn't know. So be ready for that! I'm sure BS has told you that you have breast tissue under your nipple and cancer can start on your nipple, so please, please educate yourself really good before you make the final decision. Talk to BS, PS, oncologyst. My hospital also has a breast center and I talked to the nurses there about it. They told me they were taking care if a patient that didn't remove nipples during mastectomy and her cancer had come back on her nipple. Also my PS said since he was going to give me a little lift, it would be better to remove the nipples because if not they would be off center.

    You can PM me if you have any questions. I hope all this info helps!

  • Papillon1
    Papillon1 Member Posts: 308
    edited May 2013

    I find this thread really interesting.

    Good luck for your surgery next month.

    I am 35 with three kids. My mum is currently battling metastatic bc and it is a battle she will not win. She first had bc in her 50s. Now 12 years later the mets turned up.it s the same for her mother. My paternal aunt also died the same way this year.

    I haven't had my BRAC test yet but am in discussion with a genetic oncologist but tbh I just want to go for the mastectomy whatever the brac test result. after all it isnt the only dna mutation for bc. and my doctor told me that some people dont have a dna mutation as such but have a predisposition / tendancy towards bc, but they cnt yet test for this. it was a bit vague,

    The hospital told me that even if i am BRAC negative or they decide my family history is not strong enough to warrant the test, that they would offer me extra mammograms and checks etc. For me this isn't enough - just waiting for the cancer..

    I worry that as soon as the cancer is big enough to be picked up by a physical exam or a mamogram then the "seeds" may have already spread and metastatic cancer may occur ten years on whatever. Who knows when the seed cells pass into the blood?

    I am terrified of this. It is uncertain as to wether my mother will make her 66th birthday. It is too young. As was the case with her mother,who I never had the pleasure to meet.



    I have no idea what insurance companies would make of my choice. Or the surgeons. But I don't want to spend life waiting for it..



    I have a skin disorder in the vulva which caused physical changes. I needed that operating on too. So I have no fear of surgery or loss of femininity etc..these were all issues I faced and got over with that issue.. I am sure I can mentally handle it and my husband is brilliant and v supportive.



    Is this a crazy choice? Anyone similar?



    Love and luck to all xx

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited May 2013

    Papillion1, I am same as you.  My mom died of bc at age 59, presenting with a huge tumor age 54.  Her two Aunts above her had it, one died right away the other got mastectomy and lived til 83.  My sis and I both tested negative for brca but the geneticist told me there are other mutuations that they have not discovered yet. 

    When I got the dx of LCIS I was very scared and had no hesitation to get a PBMX.  I don't think I would have had the guts to do it until that dx, even though I have dense breasts, no kids, already had a few biopsies with benign but risk increasing results.  The LCIS pushed me over the edge.

    I am thrilled with all of the outcome.  I feel so much less worried and safer.  I was so tired of constant surveillance, mammos, mris,  biopsies.......Mostly I just felt that cancer was going to come for me and I might as well get it first.  I feel great, no regrets AT ALL.

  • brownlee
    brownlee Member Posts: 34
    edited May 2013

    I have a strong family history.  On paper it looks exactly like BRAC2 - big difference is that my mom is the only one who got her cancer early at 41, then other breast at 57.  The BRAC2 pattern is on her father's side - yet her mother had BC twice in her 70s.   The pattern on my grandfather's side includes my mom's three 1/2 siblings having ovarian cancer at 88, pancreatic at 81 and prostate at 77.  There is also a male bc from a cousin in his 60s.  No once has died except my uncle who had pancreatic cancer - and even he kicked its butt for 2.5 years in his eighties.

    I looked into a pbmx 8 years ago when my mom's bc came in the other breast.  Everyone told me I was being a hypochondriac.  Well 8 years later, this past Nov., I was dx with DCIS at 44.  Even though it was stage 0 I immediately opted for the bmx.  I was almost relieved when the biopsy came back positive. 

    I didn't want radiation and I can't lie, knowing I had the best chance of good comestic results if I had the procedure done before any major treatments, made the decision super easy. 

    I guess I am glad I didn't do it 8 years ago, because I didn't know about nipple sparing procedure back then and I was fortunate enough to have them survive the surgery.  It is a added risk, but I can live with it.

    My question is - should I remove my ovaries?  Can it wait until menopause?  Has anyone else without a positive gene removed them before menopause? 

    My oncologists thinks it is fine to keep them and just have u/s yearly.  I think they will go as soon as I hit menopause.

    Thanks.

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited May 2013

    Brownlee, I struggle with the same question on whether to do prophy oopherectomy.  My diagnosis was LCIS, and I'm BRCA negative, although mom (still living 40+ years after her BC!), her mom, her 2 sisters, and her grandmother had BC.  I decided on prophy bmx in oh, ten seconds flat after getting the LCIS news, and like Beacon, I'm extremely relieved and happy that I did that.  My onc also says no reason to remove ovaries, and I'm past menopause, but still, I wonder...

    I'd love to hear from anyone who said goodbye to ovaries b/c of huge family BC history but BRCA negative.

    Carol

  • brownlee
    brownlee Member Posts: 34
    edited May 2013

    Carol, my mom did have hers removed and she didn't notice an difference. She was 60 or so then.  Sadly my reasons for not doing it are mostly vain.  I don't want to have an even harder time maintaining my weight and I don't want my hair to thin.  Also, I am hate heat. I always joke I won't survive menopause.  My friend with BRCA did both surgeries.  She is miserable without her ovaries.  Regrets it. She is 43.

    I know my reasons are lame. If I had BRCA I'd do it no questions.  The only confirmed ovarian cancer is my 1/2 aunt at 88 on my maternal grandfather's side.  My mom's mother's sister died of lady cancer - my mom's words????   They claims it was vaginal; not ovarian - anyway she was in late 60s. 

    Then there is my uterus.  I had polyps about 5 years ago, they'd said they would come back.  Drs. don't seemed concerned=I don't like them in there.  I am going for an U/S next month. I will discuss my gyn.

    I guess I'd also like know if those who had their ovaries removed premenopausal - had as awful consequences as predicted?



  • Crewzer
    Crewzer Member Posts: 5
    edited May 2013

    I'm so very grateful to all of you for sharing your stories!  I, too, have a very strong family history, and when my sister was diagnosed with BC last year, I decided to go forward with my mastectomy (I'm not good with the acronyms just yet..sorry!).  I'm having mine done June 11th...in 3 weeks!  My PS said that because of my family history, insurance should cover it, no problem, even without any BRCA testing.   They said that they have never had someone be denied, even for phophylactic.  I'm opting for the DIEP, because I do not want to have implants removed at some point, and I'm encouraged to hear those of you who say that this is a good option.  I also appreciate all of your opinions on the nipple sparing.  I've been grappling with that decision.  Dawnie, I will be thinking of you on the 19th, as I recover from my surgery, as well.  It's nice to know there are other brave women who are making good decisions for themselves, and going through the same difficult decisions.  As my surgery gets closer, I find myself becoming more nervous and anxious about the surgery.  I know I'm making a good decision for myself, but facing it is difficult.  Thank you all for sharing your knowlege and experiences Smile    Jenny

  • Dawnie
    Dawnie Member Posts: 21
    edited June 2013

    I thank you all for responding to this post....many, many months later! Crewzer, i too am becoming more & more anxious to have the surgery. I think my boobs know what is going to happen (they actually hurt now!). Of course that makes me afraid they will find something when they perform the mastectomy. I'm letting sweet Ativan deal with that thought tonightLaughing.

    My mom is actually thrilled about the mastectomy; I know she has been petrified for years at my prospects. My mom & grandmother were both diagnosed before age 45 and I am 48; I think I can actually hear "tick, tock, tick, tock" while I wait for this cancer to make an appearance. Hopefully I am vigilant enough that it won't rear its ugly head.

    Question: Did any of you have a mastectomy without cancer....but then cancer was found when they did the surgery? Being very dense I have always feared they could not see everything and now when they open me up they will, hopefully, see everything. I'm not scared of the surgery (been through too many surgeries to count) I'm scared of what they may findYell.

    Again, thank you all for your kind words and great stories....!!!

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited June 2013

    Dawnie - It is just one more hurdle for you and when you get the all clear you can relax. It did, in fact, happen to me, but that is not the norm. Of course I was devastated, but now that I've put it in perspective, I realize how lucky I was to insist on the PBM.

  • brownlee
    brownlee Member Posts: 34
    edited June 2013

    My PS told me in about 5% of cases they find cancer when they do a prophy, a bit higher in those with a genectic risk.

  • Chrisrenee77
    Chrisrenee77 Member Posts: 1,032
    edited June 2013

    Dawnie-I am so sorry you are having to go through this. I was diagnosed 4 days after my 35th birthday last year. I was called back the day after my first ever mammo because the radiologist found a mass in both breasts. After doing bilateral biopsies, it came back that the left breast had cancer and the right breast was just a cyst. When talking to my BS she gave the option of lumpectomy or UMX. I told her that neither of those options was what i wanted. I wanted a BMX. So my right breast was a prophy. My downtime for my BMX was 4 weeks. My downtime was longer for my TE placement, that ended up being almost 10 weeks. My exchange surgery downtime was 3.5 weeks and I was back to work on 12/31.

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