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welcome Liz. This is so hard in the beginning to know what is going to happen. Once you and your doc get a plan in place it does settle down just a bit. HUGS to you
stupidbood---this is the best place for venting. We are the ONLY ones who understand and have felt the way you do right now. I am guessing that your hubbies lack of support stems from the deaths around you both. He does not want to loose you and therefore separates himself from the situation. Be strong my friend. This phase will pass too. Cancer does change us and sometimes those around us. For now scream all you want- you deserve to get it out. Wishing you all the best as you continue your fight to conquer the beast HUGS to you too!
Maggie
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Thank you, I sure appreciate it!!
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Erg each, very hard for anyone to decide. You're suggestion of asking how many months (or a range of months) your Mom would have if no chemo sounds like a question you should call the MO to ask.
Also, since the stroke can your Mom read? If so she could nod yes or no if you wrote down the choice, once you get an answer to the above question.
Sorry, these two suggestions are all I have.
Let us know whatever is decided or more questions. We are here for you and your Mom.
Peggy -
Hey everyone..Happy Mother's Day to all...doesn't matter if you have kids or not..you still all have a mom...my mom had Hodgkins disease 10 years ago and now has a lump on her neck..the surgeon is leaning towards a weird type of muscle...she had a scan on Friday...hoping that is just a muscle...she has no other symptoms at all...just that freaking lump thing.
On another note my daughter adopted a kitten today so I'm the proud to say I have my first grandcat...lol
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Thanks Titan. Sending good thoughts out to your mom. Wishing you and the other mom's a special day.
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thank you for letting me vent.............:)
thanks for all the tips on the deodorant
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Stupidboob - Yes, I agree it is just way too much for any girl to handle so much. I am so sorry that you are experiencing so many challenging things in your life, all at once. All I can do is send you some warm Hugs! Hang in there, my friend, and just pray really hard.
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jhj - I was also advised to have chemo first before surgery. My BS and onc felt that shrinking the tumor first, would possibly improve the chances for clear margins at surgery. It did. Unfortunately, although the chemo shrunk my tumor, it did not kill all the cancer cells in the tumor.
Best wishes that the chemo works completely for your wife.
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Hi I was just dx on April 26. I'm 30 and trying to make up my mind on a doctor/hospital. Mine is 3cm and going into my chest wall so I need to start chemo ASAP. Only concern with doctors are one onco wants to do A&C every other week 4 times then taxol every other week 4 times and the other onco same A&C then 12 weeks of taxol instead of the 4 higher dose. Which is better? I'm so confused. And the one that wants to do the 4 every other week is a great big hospital and breast cancer oncologist.
Anyone have any insight?
Help. I know I will be fine with either one I just can't seem to make up my mind.
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CN - so sorry for your dx. I am also sorry I do not have any advice. The choices are SO hard to make. I often wish there was a set course of treatment with BC, but there is not. I am not saying that I wish there were no choices - just saying it's so hard to make them. I had to decide between mastectomy and lumpectomy, and recently, chemo or no chemo. I begged my BS to help me decide - she absolutely would not. She would only present the research for both and then told me, "Its your body". I felt so alone in making the decision. I needed her and she was not there for me. There have been many other decisions to make in-between. Sometimes I made the correct choice and sometimes I had to try something else. This thread and many others are very supportive. Please stay with us.
Sherry
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Hello CNmylife - I am so very sorry to hear that you have been diagnosed. For God's sake you are only 30 years old. Do you know your hormone status, is it TN? I am TN, my tumor was approx. 3 cm as well. I was treated in 2010. I did AC/Cytoxan for 4 weeks, every other week, and then I did Taxol for 4 weeks, every other week as well. At the time I was getting treated, there were some women who were doing weekly Taxol. Taxol can have neuropathy as side effects. Some women suffer from severe neuropathy if they do weekly Taxol, therefore, every other week works better for them. I honestly don't know whether doing it weekly has a better outcome which is a question you should definitely ask your Onco. I never got sick once during my chemo, as I think that my Onc. were the best they come. With Taxol cocktail, they mixed Zantac, Benadryl, Decadron, and Kytril in the cocktail. I think that things like Zantac and Benadryl greatly helped me from getting sick. I hope this info. helps. Please don't be scared to ask questions, I know it is hard to think about questions when you are going through this, but write them down, everything that comes to mind. If you forget, fax your questions to the doctor and get answers in writing. Good Luck, young lady! By the way, the treatment I had was called Dose Dense.
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Hi CN, there are many of us on this thread that had one or other of the treatments you have been recommended. Dose Dense AC x 4 followed by DD Taxol x 4 or Weekly Taxol x 12. Both are normal treatments for TNs. You might want to ask why an oncologist is suggesting one rather than the other, but in outcomes I believe they are exactly the same.
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Hi ladies. I'm sure I have read posts on here about lymphoedema. My arm which had the nodes removed has swollen up. Not too painful at the moment but you can definitely see it is larger than my other arm and my medi bracelet and watch are tighter. I have looked at the lymphoedema forum on here and didn't find much help. Anyone got any suggestions. I really don't want to wear that sleeve at this stage unless I have to. I also read that the cancer can be returning with this, anyone heard of that??. Annie
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Hello to the new ladies and gentlemen that joined our TN thread. Glad you found us.
Cocker, I have no personal experience with LE but I would highly recommend that you get into the BS or PCP and have it looked at. Even if you think that it is only slightly swollen. LE needs therapy to keep it from getting worse. Better to treat a problem while it is small and new than waiting until it becomes unmanagable and painful. Also, i do not believe that LE is a sign that the cancer is back. So get going already and get an appointment to get things checked out.
Hoping everyone had a peaceful Mothers day. I got to see my Navyson"s face over skype. He says that he should be back in the states sometime in the next 3 to 4 weeks. YAAAY! So this Navymom will be booking a flight to greet him when he puts his feet back on USA soil!
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CS- First, don't wear your bracelet on that arm anymore. Anything that makes restriction isn't going to help with the swelling. I have LE on my right arm, hand and I have to wear a sleeve and glove. You just wear the sleeve in daytime. At first, I did not like wearing it but now, I don't feel good unless I wear it. You get used to it very fast. I know the LE thread was very useful for me. Some of the girls on that thread like "Binney" answered alot of my questions about it. I did go too an LE therapist for LE massages/drainage. It helped. Talk to your doctor about your arm and ask to see a LE PT. Good luck!
And no, I never heard anything about cancer returning with LE. I really don't think it has nothing to do with cancer returning. Don't worry about that. It's just lymph build up because your nodes have been taking out. Nothing more...
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CNMylife - I was glad my onc decided on every two weeks for Taxol. It's a lot to have to go 12 weeks in a row after doing AC. Some oncs do the 12 weeks of Taxol first, but AC is rough and I was glad I did it first while I still had all my energy.
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cocker---these ladies have given good advice. Nothing but the sleeve--(dang it I know it sux) on that arm. Do you also have a glove? Get yourself to a therapist who understands LE and can teach you how to do the LE massage yourself. If untreated it just gets worse for me. Babs is right..you do get used to after just a couple of days so get that sleeve on you rebel! I have never heard of such a thing that it means the cancer is back....lies and deceit! I am having surgery on May 22 (a lymph node transfer) and am really hoping for some relief from it...hang in there. Everything is better when we know how to manage it
Maggie
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Cocker Spaniel,
Hi. I read your post and agree heartily with Navy Mom. If I were you I'd scour the Internet for a lymphedema specialist or as my MO for the name of one.
Then I"d go to see her or him ASAP. You want to stop the swelling before it continues.
Hope this helps.
Peggy -
CNMylife,
I had the same regimen and my onc had me do 4 AC every two weeks and then 12 taxols, weekly for 12 weeks. She said research shows the weekly 12 taxol may offer benefit. She is very data -driven. -
Cnmylife,
See this article about report in new England journal of medicine.
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Cnmylife: To date, I don't think weekly and biweekly taxol have gone head to head in a research study. (Weekly has been shown to be more effective than triweekly.) There is some thought that because TN is high grade and aggressive, it may beneit from a more frequent, metronomic cycle - i.e. 12 weeks - which is why I chose that, but there is by no means any proof that I know of (yet) that there is in fact any benefit, and certainly many many women here have done biweekly with good outcomes. I think the two regimens are considered pretty standard and interchangeable. Certainly with weekly, the side effects are less, but it takes longer and involves more frequent visits. It would be worth probing with each doc why they recommend what they do.
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I also took the 4 DD AC but unfortunately due to blood clots in my lungs after the 3rd TX, I had to skip the 4th AC. My MO changed the 4 DD Taxol to weekly and I was fine on it. I didn't find weekly was a major inconvenience but I also think there is less chance of Neuropathy when you are taking the Taxol weekly rather than a DD. I saw a few women with ice packs on their fingers who were taking the DD. I have a little neuropathy in my toes but nothing to complain about.
As for lymphedema. I have that too. For me it was apparent immediately after surgery. The surgeon took 4 nodes. He was not concerned but my RO was. He insisted I see a MLTherapist. She didn't seem to be able to reduce the fluid so I quit going.
I wore a sleeve (no gauntlet) for months during the day. My MO said to treat my arm as I always have and for me, that was good advice. I haven't worn the sleeve for 6 months. I am very careful to check that there is no more swelling especially in my hand/fingers. I don't wear ANYTHING on that arm or my fingers. I don't let BP or blood be drawn on that arm either. There is a difference of 3" on my LE arm in some spots from my forearm to my shoulder. I am not concerned about LE being a sign of BC...as I said for me it was immediate after surgery. I had surgery, then chemo followed by radiation.
Of course, everyone is different so I would keep an eye on the LE and perhaps see a therapist that specializes in LE.
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Ladies, I am going to pour my heart here as I need your attention please. I am feeling those pre-cancer feelings again, which is weakness coming from the core of my being, shakiness of the legs, very weak arms and not being able to really breathe...... I used to describe to my doctors that I was getting paralyzed. I really honestly don't know how else to describe this. I had this at least a year before I got diagnosed with BC. The neurologist had done every blood test possible, including all vitamins, toxic metals, I mean everything. Then finally she had sent me for a sleep study. The sleep study indicated a mild sleep apnea. I got the treatment for sleep apnea, using the CPAP machine. However, before using the CPAP machine, I had started using progesterone cream on my skin (as per Dr. Lee's book) to balance my hormones - The use of progesterone cream took my symptoms away and I was very happy and thrilled. And soon thereafter this episode, I found the lump and I was diagnosed with BC. So I have felt that maybe the use of this hormonal progesterone cream had caused my BC. Now I am not sure.
Well, lately those same pre-cancer symptoms have started again. It happens even if I use the CPAP machine all night. Which means that it is not related to how I sleep or not sleep. That same weakness, that same paralysis feelings. This time I am not using any hormonal cream, no way.
I am suspecting could it possibly be my thyroid? No one can say for sure whether those symptoms and my BC were connected. Are these the symptoms of how hormones or cancer?
Should I get a petscan? My thyroid doc has agreed to do a biopsy of my thyroid nodule, which is something which was not there on the petscan after my BC treatments, and developed about 5 months after all my rads finishedl. I have a 21 mm nodule on my thyroid. I understand from the doc. and many people, that only 5% have cancer of thyroid and thyroid cancers are easily treatable. A very strange thing just happened. My thyroid doc. just called me, thinking he hadn't called me with my results, while he had already had this conversation with me before. Since I have this new onset of symptoms, it was amazing that he called, that I could ask him for a biopsy this time. He said to me "we've already had this conversation before, right?". I said "yes, we have, but it is a miracle that you called, because now I could ask you for a biopsy, since I have lately become symtomatic".
I am not feeling well, ladies. Should I really go ask for a petscan, as I know the doc will give it to me. These feelings are really unbearable. What am I dealing with here? BC or Thyroid Cancer or nothing at all at this time, but my body getting prepared to annonce a recurrence?
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Cnmylife - I had a completely different regime than these ladies. I had TAC every 3 weeks for 6 rounds. Quite honestly, he didn't give me options and I was happy about that. My Onco is data driven as well and I have to just trust his knowledge and experience.
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lovely: sorry you are feeling so poorly. I know of several ladies here who have had thyroid issues coincident with or following BC. Whether there is a connection, I don't know, but it would seem worthwhile to check out the thyroid nodule further.
Beyond that, your symptoms could be explained by many things. I know our first tendency is to think BC, but there is no reason to think that is so. PET scans deliver quite a whack of radiation, so in my view warrant some sober second thought before jumping to that. Have you had a full work-up by your GP? I'd be inclined to do that first and go from there... hope you get some answers.
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I always look forward to hearing from you Luah, so thank you so much. Last time before BC when I had these same exact symptoms, I had such a very thorough workup. In conclusion, there were just two things the Doc said I could have, a sleep disorder or just anxiety. I am in agreement with her about the anxiety, however, I feel it is menopausal anxiety, basically due to very low hormones and I know that most of our problems are related in one way or another, with hormones. Luah, I agree with you totally that PET scans deliver quite a whack of radiation, so I have decided I am not going that route, not as yet. I am getting a biopsy again for the nodule (by the way I had it 6 months back, first one was inconclusive, second biopsy was benign). And I think from tomorrow, I will just take 1/4 Lorazapam in the morning, and see if I can get past those symptoms of weakness, etc. until my body is able to get back to normal. One thing I forgot to mention, is that all this started happening when I reduced my diet to a minimum of 1300 calories, and lost 7 lbs. Before this, I was all okay, healthy as a horse. I honestly believe that it is all related, our pitutiary gland, thyroid gland, estrogen, progesterone, proteins.......... how does one learn what or where the hell is the imbalance, that is a mystery beyond our grasp.
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Lovely - So sorry you are in such a scarey place right now. Hopefully you can get some helpful guidance soon.
I have some of your symptoms right now. I had an ultrasound of neck about a month ago for some swollen glands on the right side. Dr. couldn't find anything interesting on the right side, instead found a 2.3cm nodule on the left. I had a biopsy and report said what it isn't, but not what it is. They don't even know if it is on thyroid or parathyroid! That has me on edge along with bladder/kidney symptoms, sudden hair loss, and neuropathy (more than during chemo). I see my PCP Wednesday and see an endocrinologist at UCLA at the end of the month.
Holding you close in my heart today. Jan
There's a thyroid or parathyroid discussion board here on BCO.
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Hi Jan. Thanks for writing and I am so sorry to hear that you are dealing with this as well. As if we needed this additional nightmare, after what we have gone through. I have the same situation here, hair thinning badly, bladder problems (noticeably more so now than before) and yes, some neuropathy as well. I am seeing a new endocrinologist on May 20th. I called and found out that he does include pitutiary gland and endocrine system disorders. My current Endocrinologist told me he does not deal with hormonal issues, which was shocking as his line of work should include everything. It may need several (even up to 3) biopsies to get any kind of conclusive results. I had to have 2 biopsies last October and the second one revealed it was benign. They say that the thyroid gland is very small, the stuff they take out does not have enough cellular patterns for them to make any determination of cancer. Unless they have enough material which shows them the cellular patterns, the biopsy is useless. I think I am going to wait to do the biopsy until I see the new Endcrinologist. Thanks for pointing to the discussion at BCO, I can't wait to read that. Please keep me informed how things go for you at UCLA, sounds like you are in good hands.
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My onc said taxol weekly is the best schedule for triple negatives because TN is often high grade and the weekly dose maximizes the chance that you catch proliferating cells during the growth phase.
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Lovelyface - So sorry you are having "the feelings". I can really relate to what you are describing! For a year before my initial dx., I kept telling my GP that I was not well, but could not pinpoint symptoms. He wrote it off to stress, as did many of my friends. I rarely complained about my health, so I thought they would take me more seriously, but they just thought I was "losing it" due to a stressful teaching job. My ex "boyfriend" (I am 58, so "boyfriend" sounds so juvenile to me..), who I had "dated" for 14 years, half-kiddingly told me I was nuts. Wow, thanks for the understanding. His attitude toward my actual dx. was flippant and he brushed it off as no big deal; as he put it, "We all have to die from something" - jerk! Hence, he is my "ex". His attitude was for me to have surgery, and put it behind me. (In other words, get through it, over it and start having sex again). Sorry - I am getting off topic and heading towards a rant....Back to topic - I push for tests when I get that feeling now. Fortunately, I pushed for a bone scan when I had severe arm pain last summer - No bone mets, but lung mets were discovered on my bone scan! yep, on the bone scan. I had a CT and bx. to confirm. My onc does not believe in scanning if there are no symptoms. He says a lot of oncs following this thinking - I do not agree. What about early detection? I just don't get it, especially when my insurance is great about paying for scans! So, I say, push for scans - be your own best advocate. Sending my best wishes that your scans are clear.
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