Morning musings about origins of ILC

mary625
mary625 Member Posts: 1,056

First let me say that I realize that Dr. Mercola is controversial. My feeling about most of his advice is that if it won't hurt me or require me to forego standard treatment, I will consider it. Today's message from him was about Vitamin D. Specifically, I learned that it is possible that a deficiency in Vitamin D may cause the E-Cadherin in cells to decline or be eliminated. As you probably know, for us with lobular, one of the primary diagnoses was a lack of E-Cadherin expression in our tumors. This had led me to wonder if the relationship between Vitamin D deficiency and lobular is even stronger than other breast cancers.



I also came across a blog post this morning that cited this website as a major resource. It talked about the recent increase in lobular among younger women, 40-50's, when it used to be primarily found in those in their mid to late 60's. I didn't find a reason for that, but I did note a possible theory that lobular, while known as slow-growing, might grow faster in younger women. Lobular is usually ER+/PR+, but in a post-menopausal woman, those hormones are not going to be in as abundant supply. Therefore, it might grow faster in younger women, and perhaps there hasn't been time to study this. I'm not saying this to scare anyone, but rather because I know I've looked for an explanation since diagnosis as to how something my doctors said was slow growing could have appeared overnight in my breast. I knew more about my breasts than they did, having just started to treat me at that time, and believe me, it came out of nowhere.



I know these thoughts have not been vetted in the scientific process, but it helps me to understand why I am taking Vitamin D and Femara and motivate me further for compliance. If it helps someone else too, that's great.

Comments

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2013

    It's funny you mention it, because I have wondered if I may have a genetic problem of some kind in using vitamin D properly. I say this because my dad and his twin and I all have scoliosis, and the twins supposedly had rickets as kids, as did their dad in turn. Their dad may have died from a weird cancer that had glued his intestines together.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2013

    And some other reasons to make sure you are getting enough Vitamin D Wink

    http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/nutrition/supplements/known/vit_d

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited May 2013

    Very interesting. I just had a physical two weeks ago, and according to my doc, my level at 35 is "well above normal." According to the vitamin D council's website, it's actually in the low range. So just yesterday I added 4,000 units to my daily supplements. I was not taking any D3 supplement prior to the blood test.



    I know supplement dosage varies from person to person. How much are you all supplementing?

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited May 2013

    I've been taking 6,000 and able to get to a blood level of 49.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2013

    Mary, mine also showed up in about a months time and I was premenopausal and 54.

  • Rdrunner
    Rdrunner Member Posts: 309
    edited May 2013

    I just had a conversation about VIt D with doctor involved in my treatment. Testing for vit D is deceiving.. I have always had low levels .. of 25 vit D.. which is the inactive form. 1,25 D is the active form and is a true measurement.. but most doctors just test 25 D. You can have low 25 D and high 1,25 D

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2013

    Rdrunner, thanks for that, because my lab tested for 1.25D and I thought they had made a mistake.

  • grammietofour
    grammietofour Member Posts: 40
    edited May 2013

    I am totally with you on the issue of vitamin D.  Several years ago, I was diagnosed with sarcoidosis (pulmonary and not active since that initial episode) but that showed the first inkling of low vitamin D - I mean like 13!  It should really run between 40-60.  I gave it little thought until I saw it was low again with my diagnosis of breast cancer.  I have to believe that there is something going on in my body with the low vitamin D to allow the cells to be taken over by these "bad" cells.  I work in the medical field and see vitamin D levels low with all kinds of cellular abnormalities.  So, needless to say, I get my vitamin D and sun! 

  • Rdrunner
    Rdrunner Member Posts: 309
    edited May 2013

    grammietofo.. curious if it was your 25 D that was low or 1,25 D. Im currently being investigated for Sarcoidosis . My brother also has it. I would be careful in the sun because if your 25D is low but your 1, 25 D high ( which is  often the norm for sarcoidosis) you could get really sick and have problems with calcium levels being too high as a result.

  • KSil
    KSil Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2013

    My bloodwork showed that I too had a vitamin D deficiency of 28 ng/ml. With regard to vitamin D, My report says, there is a 50% decrease risk of breast cancer when blood levels are between 45 and 100 ng/ml. Vitamin D may also help prevent diabetes and other cancers".

    I am now taking 5,000 IU's daily. :)

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited June 2013

    I had low vitamin D. So did my twin (and she didn't exercise and she overate and was overweight and took BCP for 31+ years)...and she is (knock on wood) still cancer free.

    CRAP SHOOT.

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