April 2013 Chemo Group

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  • raindeer1217
    raindeer1217 Member Posts: 90
    edited May 2013

    Hello Heather



    My heart goes out to you. The unknown is scary.



    Are you having expanders at the time of your BMX? If so in my opinion the expanders elevate the pain level some. They are hard and uncomfortable.



    I am a very suborn independent athletic (extreme sports) woman and I needed help after my double BMX with Tissue Expanders. I am sure you could get the job done on your own emptying the drains but girl you'll be very sore the 1st few days, full time help would be a great for those few days. The drains are daunting and scary and yep kinda gross and uncomfortable but do-able. Take any and all help offered to you!



    Good luck!

  • monkeymom
    monkeymom Member Posts: 50
    edited May 2013

    Hi Ladies,

    Looks like chemo gets to lots of us!

    I'm noticing how much my physical state is tied to my mental state.....anyone else? I'm doing TCH every 3 weeks. During the last week before round 2, I felt great physically. I went to my kid's activities and ran errands and FELT LIKE A NORMAL PERSON. I wasn't worrying about reoccurence or not living to see my kids grow up. Then, I had round 2 of chemo. While it hasn't been miserable, I'm noticing how much feeling sick makes me FEEL LIKE A SICK PERSON instead of survivor. I've been on the boards looking at stats and reading about metastatic cancer etc. I find myself thinking about not being here for my kids starting kindergarten etc. Funny how when we feel good physically, our minds are good. And vice versa.

    Guess that's motivation to get out and take a walk!:)

  • PamelaKay
    PamelaKay Member Posts: 107
    edited May 2013

    Heather, I only had a uni, and I wouldn't have wanted to do it on my own, especially as you get used to how to do the drains. Also, I had restrictions on lifting, which made things like cooking or even carrying a plate of food difficult, and I had the use of one arm. I'll never be sure about this, but I suspect that too much movement and lifting after my drain was out (two weeks after surgery) caused the incision to open.

    Make sure you know exactly how restricted you will be with movement (no bending over), lifting, and carrying. Maybe friends could take care of animals while you go to your mother's, or she could come stay with you. Also, be aware that just caring for your pets may be more than you can do. I'm sure you'll find a way to make it work, but don't downplay how much help you will need.

    PamelaKay

  • heather214
    heather214 Member Posts: 142
    edited May 2013

    Thanks ladies, for the honest words. In my heart, I know I need to go stay with my mom. Just such a hassle, and yes, I am used to doing everything on my own most of the time. UGGHH! My place is too small for anyone really to stay with me, so most likely will need someone to come take care of my pets/house.

    Raindeer, I believe I will have expanders put in both sides, so sounds like this will be one more complication. Not too worried about the pain, I am already on heavy painkillers dues to my autoimmune disease, and have had little discomfort as a result so far. Looks like once my surgery is complete, will commence with Taxol treatment once I am healed (about a month). I am SO looking forward to wiping out chemo. Radiation is in the air, Drs. not in agreement. I am not a glutton for punishment, but the Dr. from the cancer center who drew up my tx. plan for my local docs recommended radiation, so I think I will end up sticking with her recommendations, despite how lovely it would be to NOT have to get it.

    Monkeymom, I am with you! I am physically so wiped out, and I noticed my resolve to stay positive is waning, it is so hard at times! I too have crept on the stage IV boards, and thought the "bad thoughts". I think that is normal, the important thing is not staying in that state. I commented to a post on another board to a woman who found out that her cancer had returned/spread and did not want treatment, but wanted to give up. I commented about the power of the mind, and someone else came and commented to me, saying the mind has nothing to do with metastasis or formation of cancer. I do not agree (though I did not say so) - I do believe that if someone lives under perpetual stress and negativity, it can and will affect their physical health, including cancer. I totally understand everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but I for one am working on creating a more stress-free lifestyle for myself, and learning to not sweat the small stuff. I hope you too can stay above the gloom, will be thinking of you!

  • BeHereNow
    BeHereNow Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2013

    Hi Heather, I love your quote!



    I had bilateral. I found the drains pretty manageable. Easier surgery than I expected. But I had a friend stay overnight in the hospital (and it was a good thing!!). You also might want to have someone stay overnight at your house the first night, just in case.



    I'll be interested to hear what others have to share. What kind of pet care will you need to do?



    Sorry #3 has been so hard. Sending gentle hugs. Take care



  • heather214
    heather214 Member Posts: 142
    edited May 2013

    Beherenow,

    Glad to hear it went better than expected for you. I am planning to stay with family probably for the first week. I have 2 cats, but they are HIGH maintenance (Siamese) and very needy, like children. With me just gone for a week could send them over the edge, LOL. Oh, well, obviously I have to come first here! Thanks for the well wishes, I really think it is the anemia talking. I have NEVER been this tired. Can't believe I was able to sit at my desk all day without falling asleep =) Can anyone tell me how long the drains stay in?

  • BeHereNow
    BeHereNow Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2013

    Heather, one of my drains came out in a week, the other in two weeks. I found this article:



    http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/surgery/mastectomy/expectations



  • monkeymom
    monkeymom Member Posts: 50
    edited May 2013

    Heather, 

    I have two small kids and a dog so I needed some extra help after my bilateral...but as far as the recovery, it wasn't nearly as bad as I had anticipated. My pain was minimal from the actual surgery. The tissue expanders were very uncomfortable (they have since just become a nuisance) and made it difficult to lay or sit in a comfortable position. My biggest hurdle was lifting. I couldn't lift my 1 year old into his crib, car seat etc. I also couldn't put dishes away in cabinets that required me reaching high up, vaccuum, drive (for a week), walk the dog, and other things that required a large range of motion. 

    As far as the drains go, I'm a wimp so I didn't want to empty them myself. It took my husband just a few seconds before and after work to drain them. I had 1 in a week and the other in 10 days. They were really no big deal.

    Glad you have family to help out!

  • indenial
    indenial Member Posts: 504
    edited May 2013

    Heather, I think it's like chemo, everyone responds differently. I had a horrendous time after surgery (seriously, I'd do chemo 100 times before having another BMX!!) and couldn't do anything for myself... I needed my husband to stay with me in the hospital because I couldn't lower/raise my bed or push the call button for the nurse! I was in the hospital 2 nights and readmitted for 2 more nights less than a week later. At home, I had my husband with me for the first few days. My drains came out after 5 days but it seems many (most?) docs leave them in longer. They were hard to take care of on my own for the first 3-4 days but by the last couple days I could do it. Once the drains were out, my range of motion (and general healing) rapidly improved. I did have a lot of pain and trouble reaching things but the worst part was a bad reaction to my meds... I think if I could have gotten my pain & nausea under control and not had the med side effects it would have been more manageable. 

    Anyway, hope I am not scaring you, even though it was really bad, the worst was over after 2 weeks or so and now I'm just over 2 months post-surgery and mostly back to normal -- some days I have pain still but usually just if I overdo it or something. One thing I'd recommend if you live alone is set your house up ahead of time -- move the microwave to a low counter, put a step-stool near high cabinets, put your meds in easy-open containers, get an electric toothbrush, stock up on frozen dinners, ask a neighbor to come feed your pets and help you clean... You will make it through no matter what but anything you can do to make it easier on yourself is worth it!! 

  • Rosina0015
    Rosina0015 Member Posts: 49
    edited May 2013

    Heather,



    I understand the worries about your upcoming surgery. I on the other hand had a lot of help but found I didn't need it. The pain was very minimal. The drains were the worst part. Honestly they're just gross, lol. It was weird for me to see all of the fluid and measure 3x a day. I'd say the hardest part was removing the bandages and seeing what wasn't there anymore. The nurse that helped me said something ill never forget. "You are not defined by your breasts, you're beautiful". The same is true for you. For all of us.

  • Koru_
    Koru_ Member Posts: 15
    edited May 2013

    @Virginger:  Now I find myself coming here most every day to see what kind of wacky photo you've decided to post on your profile!  Thanks for the smiles. Laughing

    @Heather:  You asked what I think.  I think you should seriously consider going to stay with your mom; at least for the first week post-op.  After that, you'll have a better feel for how you well you will be able to manage on your own.  Additionally, you won't be able to drive, so should you get a fever, need any additional medical attention (For example:  I needed to go in earlier for a bandage change than was originally anticipated after my lumpectomy and needed someone to drive me.) you'll be somewhere that it will make it easier to make it happen.  Also, my 41 year old niece had to have a BMX on 4/29 - she has a lot of help and also has a nurse coming to the house to help out for several visits.  She needed help showering and bathing.  I just think trying to do it all on your own seems a bit much for such a big surgery.  Those were just a few of the thoughts that came to me as far as things to consider when making the best decision for yourself.  I wish you all the best!

  • kobrien
    kobrien Member Posts: 82
    edited May 2013

    Heather- I had 2 drains from my L mastectomy.. I'm a nurse, so had no trouble managing them.. If you have good teaching- they are easy to care for. I had more pain than I expected-- but had good pain meds..If you take them on a schedule- it's manageable.. Little by little try to move your arms as much as possible.. I had a hard time moving my arm a month later because I favored it so much. I needed my husband to shower with me so he could wash my hair and help me ( he didn't mind at all- and actually "helped" me longer than I really needed him too!! Lol)

    I have a tissue expander in and think that caused most of my pain.. It's a foreign stiff object in your body.. I'm now more than 2 months out from surgery and can pretty much do anything.. I still have some nerve pain in the breast- but nerves take a long time to regenerate... But it's so mild...

    You should have someone stay with you for at least 48 hrs after surgery.. Just so you don't push yourself too far.. That can hinder progress... Good luck!!

  • PamelaKay
    PamelaKay Member Posts: 107
    edited May 2013

    When the drains come out depends on how much fluid there on a daily basis. You measure the fluid when you empty the drains, then add up how much there is each day. When it gets down to a certain daily amount, you get the drain out (they just pull it out, which feels really weird!). I think they expected it to take about a week. For me, I still wasn't down to where they wanted at two weeks, but he just took it out anyway. It was such a huge relief to have that thing out!







  • PamelaKay
    PamelaKay Member Posts: 107
    edited May 2013

    Chemo World Announces its Newest Attraction

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    Start out in the Alley of Anxiety where you ride slowly through the dark tunnel with plenty of time to anticipate what is to come, all the while hearing the screams of excited riders ahead of you. Then, with a sudden turn, you sweep through the nausea-inducing thrill of the Hurl Swirl. Next, brave Nasty Neulasta’s Curve, which will throw you into the Side Effects loop-the-loop.

    You’ll hear the tick, tick, tick of the coaster as you gradually climb higher and higher up to the top of the Steroid Hill of Horror. Just as you start to feel safe and enjoy the view from on top of the world, you reach the summit, only to plunge breathtakingly through the darkness of the Dungeon of Despair, then hit bottom in the Tears of Fears splash pool.

    As you dry off, enjoy the fun of the Pity Party as Nasty Neulasta, Awful Emitica, The Constapator, Dire Rhear, Ragin’ ‘Roidy, No-Nails Nancy, Bawling Baldy, Anxious Annie, and all of the other fun Chemo World characters come out to dance and sing to the Chemo World theme song: Did you take your meds tonight?  Finally as you roll toward the exit, hairdressers with shavers leap out and cut off all your hair! Then, just as you begin to catch your breath, you realize that THERE IS NO EXIT, and you are sent around again for another thrilling adventure through...The ChemoCoaster!

    Disney and Six Flags, eat your heart out: you’ll never have a ride as scary as this one!

    Ride and characters trademarked by the Ivey Corporation. All rights reserved. 

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited May 2013

    Heather:  I too live alone, but my 43 yr old son came to town for BMX surgery & the 1st week after.  You really shouldn't lift your arms above your shoulders - so you can test ahead what you can do.  And you really can't lift things.  My son had to keep yelling at me since the pain meds made me feel like superman.  You should have seen me maneuvering towels & robes as he helped me into the shower, but he bought me a "bath chair" so I could sit & wash my hair.  There's a limit to togetherness!!  I wrapped Glad Press & Seal all around my top so I could shower w/o the bandages & drains getting wet.  One time I couldn't unwrap & he had to cut up the back while I kept the front covered.  I'm sure glad he did the drains for the first few days since I was loopy.  Drains stayed in longer than 2 weeks.  I had TE's on both sides & agree, MOST uncomfortable - for seven months!!

    That said - you can do it, but I'd recommend you have help for that first week & don't try to take care of your cat's by yourself.

  • goingforward99
    goingforward99 Member Posts: 25
    edited May 2013

    PamelaKay: That was awesome!! So true, I especially can relate to Ragin' Roidy...actually all the characters have made an appearance for me except No Nails, I think she may come during taxol. Thanks for the laughs!!!  Irene G

  • Virginger
    Virginger Member Posts: 111
    edited May 2013

    Morning Ladies...just catching up....only worked 1/2 day yesterday due to Lack of SLEEP over the weekend with my steroid mistake.

    Ah..sweet SLEEP it was nice to be with ya again!

    I live alone, my brother came and was with me for a week after my lumpectomy. Was really nice to have him here, make sure I was fed, took my meds and let me rest. I've also had folks come for the weekend when i get treatments, they KNOW i won't be great company but that's what friends are for! 

    Koru_ you should see my Face Book page...my little brother just retired from Ole Miss after 25 years and reached out to folks he knows...EVERY day i've got a box from someone at some school or sports team with a autographed hat~ What I"m gonnna DO With all these hats i have NO CLUE...but I try and post a different picture each day for my friends and father in Alabama so they know I'm ok...sometimes it's with a FORCED smile..and YOU LADIES get the REAL me...but it puts a smile on other's face so I'm ok with that...

    Happy day, and easy SE my Ladie Warriors~

  • anne11595
    anne11595 Member Posts: 101
    edited May 2013

    You know I hate rollercoasters. But you started my day laughing once again. If we cant make fun of all we go through who can. Love it and thanks.

    Still nothing on my blood work. That's what you get living a very small town I quess. Today I leave my small log home in the Adirondacks and go back to the valley. I so love the woods but black flys are back! Being very careful when I go out! But I love splitting my week in both places.I am truly blessed.

  • shipsgirl
    shipsgirl Member Posts: 264
    edited May 2013

    PamelaKay, I wish there was a "Best of BC.org".  Your roller coaster belongs at the top of that list!  Well done and thanks for the morning smile!

    Ladies, I read your posts and my heart goes out to you - and my hat off!  I was lying on the couch feeling so sorry for myself (round 2, day 5) yesterday.  Today I see a whole world of surgeries and expanders and drains that I know virtually nothing of (mine was a lumpectomy), and the courage and grace with which you are coping and the support you give.  YOU are truly heroes.

  • Pattysmiles
    Pattysmiles Member Posts: 954
    edited May 2013

    Thanks Pamela for the Roller Coaster ride review.

    I have only been through the Alley of Anxiety and today head to the Nasty Neulasta curve...wishing the roller coaster was as fast as a real one!

    Pat

  • 6cats
    6cats Member Posts: 327
    edited May 2013

    Thank you Pamela Kay -- I get stuck in myself and needed to go to the amusement park for a few moments!!!!

  • Virginger
    Virginger Member Posts: 111
    edited May 2013
  • BeHereNow
    BeHereNow Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2013

    Thanks for the belly laugh, Pamela Kay!!

  • heather214
    heather214 Member Posts: 142
    edited May 2013

    Oh my goodness, THANK YOU LADIES - YOU ARE SO AWESOME! I felt so bad physically this morning slumping in to my desk, only to sign in and see all these great tips and advice. It greatly lifted my spirits! I wish I could address them all, but rest assured I heard everyone, (Indenial, thanks for the honesty- truth is I need to prepare for the worst but hope for the best, right?)(Rosina, teared up reading about having to see your scars, I think for me that is when this all will become 100% real, and I can admit I am terrified to not feel whole anymore when I do.)

    I do have my 16 year old at home, but truth is she can barely cope with having a mother with cancer. I don't want to burden her. So, we will stay with my mom for a week, and a friend will come take care of the pets. The drains by far are the most daunting to me, not worried so much about pain. I feel like such a baby, I am working full-time, doing chemo, parenting. I think anytime I feel out of control, as with the BMX/surgery I freak out. But, I know this is one more step in the process of getting well and healing, physically and mentally.

    THANK GOD FOR PAMELAKAY- who is keeping us cracking up through the tears and fears!!!

    Thought for the day:

    You never know how strong you are, until being strong is the only choice you have...



  • heather214
    heather214 Member Posts: 142
    edited May 2013
  • Gully
    Gully Member Posts: 268
    edited May 2013

    Heather,

    I had BMX on March 6th, I had a nerve block similar to an epidural before surgery in addition to general anethesia. They did it because the brain still registers pain even under general and that the nerve block cuts that signal so your heart rate does not accelerate during surgery.  After I had very little pain for the first 2 days. I only stayed one night at the surgical center and the nurse kept reminding me to call her when I wanted to get up...well when you gotta go you dont want to wait..so I didnt. 

    I wont lie, the drains are a pain, they are awkward and get in the way even pinned up. My husband stayed with me the first week. It was hard sitting up by myself after the nerve block wore off and I could not reach anything above ear level. I also had TE's so I was not allowed to lift more than a pound. I could not open jars and doors etc....He even had to help me get dressed due to the fact I could not reach over my head. I strongly suggest getting some big open front comfortable shirts to wear. You will be able to empty your drains by yourself no problem.. just a bit gross! I kept mine pinned to the beautiful post mastectomy bra they send you home in. My drains both were out by 10 days post surgery. Its much more comfortable after they are removed.

    So yes, if it is possible it is helpful to have someone around to help with the drains, lifting, and reaching for a couple of weeks. My friends brought covered dishes for my family for the first two weeks because my DH cannot cook and I have two teenage boys at home still...

     I don't mean to scare you....its not nearly Coolas bad as child birth but you will be restricted in movement. Last bit of advice....take your pain meds and ducolax..trying to go without them was a mistake for me.

    I hope all goes well for you....You can do it!

  • Slgreb
    Slgreb Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2013

    Well, my hair went from nothing coming out on Saturday to coming out by the handfulls on Sunday morning, Sunday night and Monday morning. I had already decided that when it really started to go it all had to go. I do not like a short hair cut and it still wouldn't help the fact it would fall out. I did better than I thought, and my hubby was by my side taking pictures for me.

    I used the salon at MD Anderson. It is free to patients. But I was also blessed with a free wig, cotton skull cap, bandana and scarf. They showed me ways to tie the scarf and bandana, told me how to take care of the wig and just took care of me.

    I recommend using their services if you are a patient at MD Anderson.

    Live by faith, not by fear.

  • rockermom66
    rockermom66 Member Posts: 69
    edited May 2013

    I keep yanking at my hair looking for it to come out but it isn't yet. I lost one hair this morning :/
    I'm really looking forward to starting over again with fresh natural virgin hair. It's exciting for me because I'm always dying my hair pink or blonde or red and wearing hair extensions constantly. I haven't worn my natural hair since I was a teenager.
    I have my buzzers ready, glad I know how to do it myself. I might let my son do some :)

    One of my oldest friends works at a wig salon in NYC that caters to chemo patients.. so he made me wig and it is so nice I can't wait to wear it!

  • BeHereNow
    BeHereNow Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2013

    Anyone else having trouble eating? I'm not nauseous, but I fill up fast and feel awful when I eat.



    Call the waaaaaambulance! No comfort eating for me! Lol

  • anne11595
    anne11595 Member Posts: 101
    edited May 2013

    Party time ,blood work back back in the 5.s. So chemo tomorrow. How weird is it to be happy but I know you will understand . I have been checking my hair and today it is starting to come out. So by tomorrow is day 14 so I'm just like everyone.Have to stay at my daughter's tomorrow so she takes me back for the shot. Maybe it will hang in until I get home Thursday.I want my hair dresser to do it!! So today was a real bad roller coaster. So now for a happy pill that I need badly .

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