DIEP 2013
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hhcats so glad it went well!!!
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Hi ladies thank you so much for your thoughts and concerns I am doing ok my fever has not returned scars look great just still have st scabs and I'm starting to wonder when that will ever go away.I was under the weather for a bit but called the PS on call over the weekend and he didn't seem concerned about collitis. Unfortunately I had a really down day yesterday a "poor me " day very weepy but today was a whole lot better.
Lillyun it may be the yogurt ! Or dairy in general after 30+ years out of the blue my dh developed a sensitivity to dairy and had all the same symptoms gurgling really terrible gas etc sometimes it got hard for us to leave the house. Finally we realized the connection to dairy and stopped dairy for a bit ..not too long after we noticed a huge difference ..food for thoughthang in there I hope it gets better for you soon.
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Another thing to look out for with a gurgly, crampy, gassy tummy - artificial sweeteners. Sucralose does it to me. Check yogurt ingredients. I ended up with a colonoscopy before realizing I was having shakes & bars with sucralose (aka Splenda) every day. As soon as I stopped - all symptoms gone.
Just did a quick read to catch up after a busy weekend. Sending hugs to all!Jeannie
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Hhcats. Numbness is a varied thing. I have all feeling in my belly. My hips are pretty numb from lipo, but look great so I can deal with it. My breasts are numb where a bikini would be, but not around the edges or cleavage. But oddly after this last surgery I have more feeling in my left breast than I did before. Who would have thought more surgery would result in more feeling? I did have fat excised from armpit area and now that is pretty numb. You do get used to it.
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Cherrie, thank you so much. I don't think I'm a hero since I did this not having BC. For the women that do this coming out if chemo, they're real heroes to me! I can't imagine doing this when you're not 100%! But it feels good when somebody tells me I'm brave. I think I'm a big chicken and I feel all I've done here is complain. So sorry about that. From now on I'll try to stay positive and erase the negative!
I was hoping my DH was going to pull one of my drains tonight, but I guess I'll have to wait one more day. He did reaped the one that was bothering me and it feels much better, so that's the positive. They're putting out much less and the fluid is getting lighter which makes me think we're getting closed😄
I have a question for the moms with young kids. Have you let them see your breasts before you got nipple reconstruction? I haven let them see me naked yet. But I always take baths with them -
I hadn't thought about blood loss. Haven't donated yet.
Kuka-I'm sure it will get better. I will feel the same way I'm sure. But what peace of mind! I had lumpectomy the first time and I wish I'd done this sooner. Prayers and healing wishes.
Sbelizabeth-keep telling those stories. I aspire to be your hairy chested friend.
What the heck is towanda? -
Oh and many thanks for the private messages. Has helped give me confidence!
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Good morning everyone -
What the heck is a hairy chested friend. I understand Towanda...but the hairy friend?
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Towanda, for those who don't remember the movie Fried Green Tomatoes, is what Kathy Bates' character was yelling when she was repeatedly ramming the car of the arrogantly young and beautiful girls who had sniped her parking space. It has become our expression of overcoming and strength. Towanda!
Hairy chested is the term heavenschild came up with to describe a woman who approaches recovery with knuckle-dragging, snarling, "don't tell me I can't do it" resolve. Although in my humble opinion, any DH who can snip the stitch and extract the drain-snake for his wife should also be handed a hairy chested award.
My PS told me I might be getting blood transfusions during surgery, depending on how things went. I didn't require any, although my blood counts dropped a little into the anemic range. Now I'm taking iron supplements twice a day and will be back up there within a few weeks. If you need blood, though, it will seriously help with recovery and help you feel less wimped-out and exhausted.
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Got it. Interestingly Kathy Bates had a double mastetomy last year, after a breast cancer diagnosis. Wonder if she was thinking Towanda during her recovery.
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I'd heard that too, Janet. I wonder if she had an implant recon or what?
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I don't know. I did a bit of googling just now and couldn't find any info beyond the mastectomy, and a couple of funny quotes. I love her!
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About donating your own blood for transfusions. I looked into this and didn't do it cause there is a window of opportunity that's within a month of surgery. Doctors felt that would not be good for me post chemo for one thing. Second, if I did it 30 days in advance that might be ok. But it was going to cost me $800 per unit to have it sent to my doctor. In the end I found someone else to donate who was close to my hospital. Then I didn't need blood. But when I had surgery a month later I did need blood and my donation had been released to the general population.
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Morning ladies,
Kuka.....Don't be second guessing yourself at this stage. You are SO fresh out of surgery, and I have certainly found that things change daily, in appearance, size, contour, etc. When I first saw my "new" belly button, I was convinced it was off center by a good inch. Now, I have to admit, as the swelling goes down, it's pretty much right on target.
Speaking of Target, I have been living in my "betsy's". So comfortable! At discharge, the large size was even a bit snug, the past week, I have very comfortably been in the medium one, so I know there has been big changes. Sometimes we need to look back, to see how far we've come.
No outside walk today, it's only 3 degrees and snowing. CRAP!!!!! I'm thinking I might try one of the recumbent bikes in the gym of our condo. Hard to find upright things to do, but hate the stiff feeling I get after sitting too long. Sbelizabeth is probably out on her bike looking to up her "count" of legless reptiles!
Catch you later, have good days everyone!
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I am thinking that about my bellybutton, but I'm hoping when my swelling goes down it will look more centered.
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Judy.....if mine ends up being a "wee bit off", I figure it'll just match my personality
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Nihahi, thank you. I've been trying not to look at myself too much anymore. My bellybottom looks center, but swollen. My DH has been doing the cleaning of scars and drains. I just can't bring myself to do it and get sick to my stomach!
He's a nurse, so he knows how to do it just fine. Although sometimes that comes back and bites me in the ass. I was begging him last night to pull one of my drains but he said it just wasn't ready yet and to wait till morning. This morning he told me to wait and see how it does today. Are these things ever coming out??!! If he wasn't a nurse I could just tell him whatever and he would believe me and do it. They're barely putting anything out, so I'm going to be positive that they'll come out tonight.
My new sleeping medication didn't work last night, bummer! But tonight I'm trying Valium to relax my muscles with my ambien. I'm a little scare to use Valium, but DH said it would be fine. I'm also stopping my stool softeners today. I keep having to go potty, so I don't think I need them anymore. Actually I'm going to eat a couple of bananas today to try to stop my vowels a little. Still doing good on just Tylenol, which I'm amazed of. When I have kidney stones I need to be on harder stuff!
For all the new girls out there waiting on this surgery all I can say is that is not as bad as one thinks. I've barely been in any pain, considering. Just make sure you are prepared to see your body change. It is a big one, for some might be for the better and for some might not been so good. My breasts were in very good, so it's been a little hard on me. Now I'm just looking at it as cosmetic and know one day my body will be hot!! -
Judy - when you go for Stage 2 they can recenter your bellybutton.
Kuka - mind your husband. Having the drains in is much better than having a seroma to be drained. Since you still have drains, you are still on antibiotics right? That could be causing the bathroom problem (not the stool softeners). I was on Cipro and had that problem. You have kidney stones? Wow, from what I understand about that pain the post DIEP pain must be a walk in the park. Glad to hear you are doing well.
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Since I am one day ahead of Kuka - I thought I would chime in on how the "new girls" look to me. Day 1 after surgery, I looked and thought "wow, no freak out - so I think I am going to be OK." Day 2 after surgery, I thought "wow, they look like real breasts, how do they do that?" Day 3 - I greeted my DH with "I HAVE CLEAVAGE!"
So last night, I had a shower and thought I would see where I thought we all were . . .first, I thought - they are going to look really good if they look this good (and they are battered, bruised, scarred and strange looking) right now and then it hit me - THEY AREN'T BREAST TISSUE.
A striking moment of clarity . . .they looked freaking awesome all of a sudden . . .
It was the first time in almost 7 months where I didn't hate my breasts and I finally found a little bit of distance from the diagnosis. I took my first step away from being a cancer patient and allowed myself to walk a step right back to the old me.
I slept in peace for hours last night.
If you are doubting having this surgery - private message me. I am ONE WEEK out and it was the best thing I ever did. Ultimately who knows what will happen to any of us (there could be buses with all our names on them for all I know) - but this surgery has given me "me" back. I looked at the hair covering my head today and didn't think "Ugh, I look like a chemo patient." I thought "Well, it's a pretty damn good start."
To paraphrase Mary Tyler Moore - I'm gonna make it afterall! {Bandana tossed into air}
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HHCats - I do know what you mean. For the first time in almost 28 years, the boobs I see are really mine. They move and are squishy. I am so very glad that this surgery has given me back my body and my sense of self. Hoping by the time I am done & tatooed (I'll be pushing 62), I might even get some of that old hotness back! WooHoo!
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I feel the same way about this choice, I only had a Uni, but am actually smiling and seeing pieces of my old self here and there!!! What a great feeling, wish I had done this as my first step, it was a long journey, marty,can't imagine waiting 28 years, but i bet worth the wait to get it done right
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I am getting around and I think my last drain will come out either today or tomorrow. Whoo hooo, I will really feel like myself then)))))) hope everybody has a great week
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MartyJ, congratulations on getting back your sense of self. WOW, 28 years is a long time. I love hearing all these success stories!
Ann
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Wow! This thread is moving forward at lightning speed!
HHCats, you are an inspiration to me. One week out, and so upbeat and positive!. But then the rest of you are pretty much the same, and so happy with your decision to do DIEP. I am getting so many useful tips here, and learn so much that drs don't think to tell us, or which they don't even know. How marvellous to have all this info at my fingertips!
Had the mastectomy, TE placement and SNB last February, and I guess the recovery for the DIEP breast part is not very different from that recovery. It's the tummy part that I'm a little apprehensive about. Good to know that one can pass out when showering, so will be very careful. Fortunately I have a little built-in bench in the shower, so can sit down if I feel dizzy.
Kuka, you have all my sympathy with those drains, and I hope you can lose them today. That was the worst part for me after MX - had it in for 17 days. Surely hope this time around it won't be that long.
Nihahi, what is 'betsy's'? PJ's? Sounds so good. There is a Target store not far from me, so maybe I should invest in those? What exactly did you buy from WalMart? I have back issues, and should probably arm myself.
Still exercising hard, and upping it for the last three weeks before DIEP. Had a vigorous strength training session in the gym this morning, and will take the dog for a long walk later. Then I've invented a new exercise for those waiting to do DIEP: Sit on your closed toilet. Stand up, sit down. Repeat 15 times. Do three times daily. No help from hands, just the thigh muscles doing all the work. LOL.
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Liefie, the best advice my PS gave me pre-op was to be in good cardiovascular shape and do lots of abdominal strengthening exercises. For him, I think it made it easier to find the abdominal vessels. For me, strong bike legs and a new stronger middle made hauling my inert carcass out of bed much easier, I think. I love your toilet exercise!
Nihahi, I'm laughing myself silly. Indeed, when you posted I was out on my bike on a favorite, flat-ish trail. And yes, I spotted a legless reptile that buzzes when bothered. DH 3, Katy 4.
My PS assured me that for Stage 1, his main goal was to get the flaps moved north and their blood supply well established. He said he's found that when he tried to do a lot of breast shaping in the first surgery, he encountered more fat necrosis. Hence, my new sisters are uneven and weirdly shaped. I know the next surgery will bring sculpting marvels, but still, I love what's here. They're an enormous step in leaving BC in the past, and for that, I'm delighted.
How long until the tummy swelling goes down and I can fit into my jeans and work pants?
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sbelizabeth, last year I saw firsthand that it certainly pays to be fit and strong before surgery. After MX I bounced back really quickly, and was able to easily sit up, get up, and move around, all just because I was fit and strong going in. Don't know how you do it otherwise - must be much harder. Thanks for your input!
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sbelizabeth.....you just kill me. Such a trooper you are. I'm almost giving you a nasty gesture though, since you were out riding in sunshine and it has been snowing like crazy here since lunchtime. At times, can barely see across the road. AAAGGGHHHHH!
Marty, HHCats, sbe and Marcie.....I'm right there with you. It's 22 years for me, since initial mastectomy, then a difficult implant journey. I totally get the "this is all me" feeling again, couldn't be happier with being able to have this diep surgery, which wasn't even developed back in the day in time for me. It truly does launch us forward into a life beyond bc.
Liefie, the betsy's are a pet name for some lovely, soft pants from Target. BDavis put us all on to them. The brand is Gilligan and O'Malley, and yes, I think they actually are meant to be "lounge/pj" pants, but work fine in public too. Our Target stores in Calgary don't open until May (or sometime after the current ice age), so I had my sister in Seattle pick some up for me. I usually wear medium sized clothes, so in anticipation (thankfully) I got a size Large and a size Medium. The support garments I got at Walmart may be available elsewhere too. I have found it extremely comfortable and no longer have issues with back pain. As it puts a gentle pressure all around the torso, I think it has also helped with swelling and compressing the tummy scar a bit.....it seems to be a bit softer and flatter already. I am lucky that the length seems to be perfect for me, as they end about an inch below my breasts, so no pressure on the newbies. They have "built in boy short panties", which eliminates the need for underwear....I was finding mine ended right on the incision line....not comfortable...now I am. They are made by Maidenform, and I think are called Sweet Nothings or Simply Nothings. Sorry, I've thrown out the tags. Cost $24 (canadian) each, worth every penny for me. They certainly had other types of "shapers" that I tried, this one was the best fit, most comfortable for me.
re: swelling....I was a 32 waist before surgery, am now a 32 again (measured myself today). Haven't tried things like jeans, but all my old clothes that I have worn, are now fitting just fine.
The axilla/arm hypersensitivity and swelling is from the vascular connections. My PS did the connecting there, instead of messing around with my already screwed up ribs, so it's kind of like after a mastectomy/node surgery all over again. It'll get better, just annoying, since everywhere else connected with the diep is actually doing quite well.
Kuka....you WILL lose those drains, when it's the RIGHT time.....and it sure makes things better!!!!! But don't rush it either.
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MartyJ - 28 years, girl! Good for you. And I am sure you are already "hot"! I have always wanted to mention this to you but always forget - you give excellent advice and I am taking it. I am resting, taking it easy, and being careful. I figure I went through all of this and I don't want to mess it up.
Also here in Ontario - we only get one operation on the province - any further Stages are on our dime (not that the taxes we pay aren't!). My surgeon is a real perfectionist and he really wants to get it right the first time because basically that is what most people are only going to get. I am amazed with what he did and those that have seen them are shocked at how good they already look. Not sure what cup size I really am - I was a solid C/D going into this but they look like nice sized Bs right now. I'm wearing a C/D comfy front closure bra per my PS instructions right now but I am still pretty banged up.
Liefie - good abs will be your saving grace. The nurses were amazed at how I could roll over onto one side while they adjusted my binder and washed my back in the hospital on the second night. The one nurse even told me that I really didn't need her help. They worked in teams of two because they figured you would need the help. So other than a few "I feel like a turtle on its shell" moments - when I really had to think about how to get up out of bed - I've been just fine. It does't feel great all the time but today I noticed that it feels a little bit less uncomfortable than it did yesterday.
sbelizabeth - I can't believe you are already on your bike. A tip of my beret to you! However, I have a sister-in-law diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year who is now running about half of her normal mileage a day for the ultramarathons she used to do. We girls be tough, that's for sure.
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I am also thankful for being told about this thread. I'm getting so nervous and anxious, my surgery is Wednesday! I'm getting more weapy now than when I got the diagnosis 3 weeks ago. My husband isn't doing as well as I thought either, he's afraid for me, but needs to stay strong for our little ones, ages 7 and 3.
Your stories are inspirational and I KNOW that I will get through this with flying colors. Tomorrow is my last opportunity to workout and wrap things up at work for a while.
I am thankful for all that you're posting, it's giving me great ideas of what to ask for while I'm in the hospital.
Caminsole with pocket drains. Is that something I get in the hospital or so I order it online and have my Husband or Mother bring it to me? Do I find out about binders in the hospital or should I get one ahead of time?
That's all I can think of right now, thanks!
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MartyJ, why do you always have to be right? Lol. I think one of the drains will come off today though. It's only been putting 10cc every 10 hours. I was never put on antibiotics though. You are such a string woman waiting all these years for this surgery. My mom is 62 and even though she would love to have this surgery there's no way she could go through it. I admire you!
HHcats, I'm so glad you like your new girls. That's awesome!! I'm hoping one day I can feel the same way you do. I had very high expectations right away and am not patient at all. So this is teaching me patience.
I know a lot of women said they really wish they had a back scratcher after surgery. I had one but didn't really use it. Because they have you with oxygen for so long, it dries up your sinuses, so plan for nasal spray and chop stick. My lips were so dry!!!! Lotion and deodorant was something I was really glad to have. Maybe I looked like crap but I sure smelled good😄
Liefie, the Betsy's from target are awesome! And if you're hit nature like me they also have them in shorts. They have the same shorts at Walmart but different brand, but they're a little cheaper a d also comfy. I also bought short sleeve botton down pjs from Walmart. They're navy blue with white pockadots. I highly recommend them!! They're soft, easy to put on and very comfy.
I ordered two marena bras but they were too small. So my husband went to Walmart and bought fruit of the loom sports bra that clip in the front. They're microfiber and had to send DH back to Walmart today to buy me a couple more. And they're only $8.99 each!! Awesome!!!!
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Nihahi and Kuka, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Such good advice - you girls are awesome! Will certainly be going to WalMart and Target with all this info, and acquire the necessary stuff. Also encouraging that you are not really swollen any more, Nihahi. You are not even three weeks out yet, so that is good.
HHCats, you seem to be improving really fast - good for you!
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