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  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited April 2013

    Judy, so sorry your husband is going through this. I understand your worry. Hope he feels better soon.



    Amy, sometimes day 2 is worse than day 1 so don't be surprised. Day 3 will be better.

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited April 2013

    Amy--So glad to hear the good news.  I always feel that my post-op pain is always harder on the few days after because the anesthesia has worn off.  Let the recovery begin and please let others dote on you.  

    Helen--Are you feeling stronger this week?  You may be able to hop, skip, and jump at your son's wedding!

    Judy--Sending you prayers for patience and renewed energy as you take care of your husband and be supportive of his needs during this time.  Does it help if he wears ear protection to block out noises?  Just a thought.

    I'm recovering from a weekend of cousins.  6 stayed at my house and 3 at a hotel.  We had a good time--this was because my cousin whom I haven't seen in 10 years wanted to come and see me.  So, he flew in from Taiwan, went to Houston to visit my parents and other relatives, and then drove up with the other cousins.  I had such a great time and they were all so helpful with the meals and clean up.  This weekend was something I really needed.  Tired, but extremely grateful and loved.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Helen, thank you for your kind words of support - I really appreciate it. I hope you are feeling better and better each day.

    Amy, how are you feeling today?

    Florbo, thank you too. He has been wearing ear plugs in one ear and it helps a little, but he is still not completely over the weekend. Your weekend sounds great! I am so pleased that you had a good time with your family.

    Hope everyone else is doing ok, sending you all hugs as always, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2013

    Welll it is noon and I am showered, dressed (semi) and at my desk.  Sorted thru 300 emails and feel a bit more caught up. I put some laundry in and my husband will help me hang it on the line, because I dont want to bend. I LOVE hanging my laundry out - I am a little obsessed. To me, using the dryer is like a personal failure! HAHA.

    Anyway, not eating much, but feeling great, and sleeping well.  They told me which of the 4 abdominal incisions would hurt, and they are right. The one they showed me is the only one to hurt. But I am figuring out how to stand, sit, turn, bend, so that I don't use that side as much. Learning as I go.

    I am SOOOO relieved it is over. I will not push myself too hard, or do too much, don't worry. But I can only lie in bed so much without starting to go a little nuts. (or as my mother would say "get a little nutsy") And I don't watch much tv.

    So my daughters came on Sat/Sun, one each day, which was lovely and passed the time nicely. My husband said this morning "You look so much better, can i start being mean to you again now?" (He was teasing me.)  I am enduring this well and thank you all for supporting me through it.  

    Helen - how about you?

    And Judy - I read up a little bit about Bell's Palsy and the hearing sensitivity, and someone said that an ENT doc can be very helpful. Maybe you can ask for a referral for your husband to see one? People were saying how much the loud noises upset them - one of the women said her husband's laugh drove her crazy. It sounds very upsetting. It said that the nerve that muffles sound in our ear is what is not working properly and that is why things are so loud.  Sometimes I think our bodies are SUCH a miracle, the way everything works together, that it is amazing that we ALL are not having things wrong with us all the time - such a delicate balance. But just maybe the ENT would have some helpful tips - the person who posted about it said it was quite helpful.

    Love to all. Amy

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited April 2013

    Amy, you sound terrific and very ambitious. I think lying in bed is the worst thing to do but glad you are not hanging laundry outside to dry by yourself. Every day will be one easier.



    Judy, maybe worth going to see ENT doc with your hubby.



    I had my staples out today. Everything going well.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Amy, lovely to hear from you and so happy that you are making good progress; but please take care and allow yourself to heal.

    Helen, sounds like you are also progressing well and having the staples out is another step in the right direction.

    So happy the 2 of you are healing as you should be and I hope that Florbo is having a manageable week too.

    Thank you all for your love and support - we have been to an ENT - that was the first referral after the Family Doctor before the Neurologist. He says that it is normal to feel this discomfort; that earplugs can help, or just to stay away from loud noise. He can take painkillers for a bad headache if he wants to. He has a check up at the neurologist on Thursday, hope he can see the ENT again before that. He is finding all these doctors' appointments very draining, which of course I completely understand.

    Again, thank you all for your support and so happy that you are on the road to recovery.

    Big hugs to everyone, Judy x

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited April 2013

    Hi all

    I am back from a lovely and relaxing vacation with my daughter. We were able to plan quite a bit of the wedding while sitting on the beach! Now it's back to work and reality.

    I am so happy that Amy and Helen seem to be recovering so well, but then I know the strength of you both so it doesn't really surprise me.

    Florbo, you also seem to be moving in the right direction...yea for all of you!

    Judy, I am sorry your husband is having such a difficult time. He is fortunate to have you by his side, as you can understand his pain and frustration. I hope he gets relief from the noise issue...that must be really tough!

    I'm off to work now - hope everyone has a good day, and prayers for those in Boston

    Geri

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Welcome back Geri! Glad you had a good vacation and also managed to do some wedding planning.

    Thank you for your kind words - we are hopefully going back to the ENT later on today to see if he can help at all.

    Amy, Helen and Florbo, hope you are all feeling well today.

    Hugs to you all and I join you in prayers for those in Boston.

    Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2013

    Went out in the car for a little ride yesterday. (Was passenger.) Did not realize that all the bumping around is one of the worst things you can do. I am MUCH more sore today and really taking it easy. Will stick to walking for the near future.

    In other developments, my ex husband attempted suicide last night. It has been a horrific and extremely upsetting situation for the entire family - his mom and siblings (who I am very close with) and my daughters.  I think we are all a bit in shock but pulling together. He is being hospitalized. I dont know what will happen next.  It is so terrible to me - after how hard we all fight for our lives, that someone could treat their own gift of life so carelessly. But he has been in a tremendous amount of despair and i think it just got to be too much.  I will check in as things settle down a little.

    Love to all my sisters who treasure life and FIGHT for it!

    Amy

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Oh, Amy, I am so sorry to read about your ex husband and that you are all having such a hard time with it. I hope that he can get the help he needs so that he doesn't feel so desperate again. Life is so precious and it is so terribly sad that someone can reach the point where they just don't want it anymore. Sending you prayers and strength to get through these troublesome times.

    Also, please take care of yourself. I hope the soreness eases up soon.

    Helen, how are you feeling? Florbo, how has this week been?

    Well, my husband went to the ENT yesterday and believe it or not, he was actually excited that the hearing was so sensitive and painful! Yes, you read right! He said that the pain means that the nerves are healing and actually doing something and yes, we have to be patient. He gave him some drops to help the pain. He wants to go back to work on Sunday, but I am worried that it will set him back. I suppose he needs to take the step and see what happens.

    That's all for today, hugs to all, Judy x

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Hope you are all doing ok and feeling well today.

    Have a good weekend everyone! Hugs to you all, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2013

    Gradually getting better from the surgery. haven't had much time to think about myself, which frustrates my husband, b/c he feels I am being impeded in my healing by this family crisis.

    It is still a very complicated situation with a lot of family upheaval. I still am having trouble absorbing the truth of it. But I am focusing above all, on supporting my daughters, who are struggling with the fact that their father truly tried to end his life and leave them forever.

  • Alaina
    Alaina Member Posts: 461
    edited April 2013

    Hi Everyone, just wanted to check in and say hello!

    Amy ~ I am so sorry you're having to navigate such troubling waters while trying to heal from your surgery.  I agree with your approach to focus on your daughters.  It's so important that they know and understand that no matter what happens, this is not their fault (it's amazing how even adult children can still blame themselves or try to shoulder responsibility for their parents) and that mental illness can be a tought situation that no one can really control.  I will be praying for peace for your entire family.

    I think I'm finally over being mad that I was made to wait 2 weeks for a biopsy that never happened.  I'm trying to focus on being supremely grateful that visual, physical, and chemical (bloodwork) inspection/analysis all point towards the lump being scar tissue and nothing more ominous.  But I'm going to have a conversation with someone on the board of the hospital where I received my treatment, to really talk about what the protocol should be when suspicious spots are found for cancer survivors, and a recurrence may be in the offing.  A 2-week wait for a biopsy is excruciating (and I personally think cruel).  Not that it's any LESS painful for newbies waiting for a biopsy, but I just think those of us who've been through this hell should be treated with a little more care & compassion when the unthinkably unbearable might be possible.  Did I say I was no longer mad?  LOL!!!

    Anywhoo...finishing up my lunch and back to work.  Grad school will be officially over for me on the 27th of this month.  They're trying to talk me into a summer class.  I don't know.  A 4-month break seems glorious right now!

    Alaina

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited April 2013

    Hi Ladies,

    It's been a tough week for me.  It was mostly mental exhaustion--I just feel that this will never end.  And on top of that, I didn't realize that I get a CT everyday to check the position before I get the radiation.  Basically, I was freaking out that I'm going to beat breast cancer and then die from all the radiation and second round of chemo that I got.  I boohoo-ed so much during this week.  Anyway, I'm OK now.  Physically, just itchy and red.  I think I'm going to go try and talk to a counselor.

    Judy--that's good news from the ENT regarding your husband's hearing!  Hang in there.  Please let him know that we are cheering for him on this side of the pond.

    Amy--I'm so sorry that your ex-husband's situation is not good.  I hope that you can continue to be of great support to your daughters.  Please take care of yourself as you are still healing.

    Helen--I hope that you are getting stronger and more energetic each day.

    Alaina--Gosh, I can't believe 2 weeks wait then nothing?  Take a break from classes and use the summer to nurture yourself.

    Geri--Your vacation sounded great and productive.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Amy, sending you love and I am so sorry that you are having a hard time. Your girls are so very lucky to have you. I know how hard it is to prioritize when it comes to our kids. We seem to find the strength for them, even when we barely have enough for ourselves. I hope that you are taking some time for yourself to rest and heal. Thinking about you.

    Alaina, so good to hear from you. I think you are right to speak to the hospital. There is definitely room for hospitals and doctors to be more sensitive to patients. I think that they have this idea that because we have been through it, we can cope a second time. In fact, the thought of having to go through it a second time is so frightening, that may be because we know what is coming. And I think a four month break sounds perfect!

    Florbo, sorry that you had a difficult week last week, I hope this one is better for you.

    Helen, how are you feeling? Geri, how are those wedding plans coming along.

    My husband finally went back to work today - he has not worked since before Spring Break. I hope he is doing ok, we will see when he gets home.

    Sending you all hugs, enjoy your Sunday, Judy xxx

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited April 2013

    Amy, so sorry that your family is going through such a difficult time. I hope your ex gets the help he needs to deal with his pain. Please take care of yourself.



    Judy, hope your husband starts feeling relief.



    Florbo, hang in there. This will pass. We are all here supporting you.



    Alaina, you deserve a break.



    Geri, glad you had a good holiday.



    My son is getting married on May 19. It is getting close. I'm so glad that I had the surgery and I know I'll be able to dance at his wedding.

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited April 2013

    Hi all,

    Amy sorry I haven't been online to support you as you walked through your surgery. I did have my cervix removed, as I did have a cancer dx prior to surgery. It wasn't an option for me. I'm proud you gave them hell. I did develop edema from my surgery, so that dr was wrong. It can happen.

    I can also relate on your feelings about more genetic testing. I'm still waiting for my P10 results from the trial I'm in with the Cleveland Clinic. I felt a little like Henreitta Lacks when I donated my blood. Being sliced and diced, poked and prodded makes me feel like a lab animal instead of a human being.

    I'm throwing this out to the group. I have one year left on Tamoxifen. Have any of you with +ER/+PR quit your hormone therapies? I'm starting to think this is just a grand test and the oncs really are just using all of us. Since my hysto my vaginal dryness has gotten much worse. My tissue has deteriorated to paper thin and it's very uncomfortable. I think with my ovaries removed the dose I'm on is too high. I'm just curious if anyone else has thought of quitting their therapy?

    This weekend I felt like my old self again for the first time. I worked for about 5 hours in my garden. I was sore but it felt great. My energy level is finally back. TG.

    I'm not sure who typed they still had chemo brian but I can relate. When I'm tired, I feel it's worse. I have modified how I approach work. I still can't multi task in the way I use too. 

    Hugs to all. 

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Helen, so good to hear you talking about dancing at your son's wedding! It is good to hear that you are feeling better.

    Betsy, so nice to hear from you. I didn't take Tamoxifen, so I cannot help you there...sorry. Glad that your energy levels are back. I still get tired, but can definitely do more than I could before. I get achey when I have overdone things physically. I also cannot multi task like I used to and forget things - all part of the new "normal" I suppose...

    My husband went back to work finally yesterday; he came home with a massive headache, but was pleased he had got through the day. Thank you all for your support.

    Amy, how are you doing today? Thinking about you.

    Hugs to you all, Judy x

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2013

    Hi, Betsy.  I too have one more year of tamox and have been wrestling with that very thought too!  I have been dealing with similar se's as you, plus raging insomnia (if I don't take an ambien every single night, there is no sleep for me) - I have my onc follow up next month and was going to ask her that.  Anyone else want to weigh in?

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited April 2013

    I'm on Arimidex. I'm probably older than those of you on Tamoxifen. Side effects are also very uncomfortable. I do take Vagifem....10 mg twice a week and it helps a lot. My gyn reassured me that it is totally safe. I think the oncs are now talking about keeping us on these drugs for more than 5 years now. I'm 100% ES+ so would be afraid to go off if onc recommends longer. I also have sleep, memory, fatigue issues along with achy joints, thinning hair....lots of stuff.

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2013

    I was on tamoxifen for 3 years.  I had a burst of weight gain in the first quarter, some sleep disturbance, some hot flashes and discharge which abated, and then nothing.  Went off after the bleeding in Oct and started Arimidex in Nov.  Have some hair thinning (at least I am pretty sure I do), but nothing else. Thought I had some aches, but not really. And had some hand numbness which I did not connect to it, but googled it and found that many women complain of that on this drug. But then it went away.

    So now, six months in, i would say no SEs except for the hair thinning. (And I think I generally look older, but hey, i AM older, so maybe that is not due to the AI.)

    I tend to both underreact to drugs in general AND under-notice physical things. I tend to not pay attention and dismiss things unless they are major. So maybe I'm not a good one to report on this.

    I also take DIM (you can google it) which is supposed to help with estrogen related issues, while not being estrogenic itself. So maybe that helps me, I don't know.

    Re my ex - still in psych ward. Daughters at various levels of devestation. Family in total upheavel.  I cannot believe this.  

    On a happy note, I went to my husband's niece's high school play yesterday - the Sound of Music - she had the main part. It was a LOVELY respite & I thoroughly enjoyed it, although after 3 hours in that uncomfortable seat, i was hurting, and am hurting today. But it was (I think) worth it.

    And finally, spring is definitely here. Buds on trees. Rebirth. Hope.  Very healing. I am hoping to spend more time outside, even just sitting still and enjoying it.

    Love to all

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited April 2013

    I am also on Arimidex 4 years in, and have had most of the side effects that Helen describes. Of all of them, joint pain and memory loss have been the worst...not unbearable, and in the scheme of things, not something I would opt to end early. I would be too concerned that I hadn't gotten the full effect, and I would rather hang in for the extra year. Would I do this for another five years? That I think they would have to really convince me of the benefit.

    I just had my 6 month check up with the oncologist - he gave me a scare as he did the breast exam ( remember I have bilateral implants, so not much to examine). As he examined, he said "hmmm". Don't we all know the feeling a "hmmm" evokes? When he was finally done, he said "ok, you can get dressed now". I said, "just a minute, I need an immediate explanation for the hmmm." What he said was that he first thought the skin had a "dimpling...not good, but as he continued examining he realized it was a fold in the saline implant, and nothing to be concerned about. So, after about ten "are you certain"s, I left with an appointment for 8 months. Boy, one little "hmmm" can sure shake your world!

    Yesterday I was supposed to go wedding gown shopping with my daughter, but she called crying in the morning that her grandmother (my ex's mother) passed away. Bless her soul, she would have been 96 in July, and was in a nursing home with absolutely no quality of life, so while I am sad she is gone, she really left us many years ago. My daughter and I will go to the funeral on Wednesday. Amy, when I read about your terrible situation with your ex and the effect it has on your children, it reminds me that I am very fortunate to have the relationship that I do, which has been very good and very respectful. I hope your troubled ex can be helped.

    Wishing you all a good night.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Hi Ladies, it is very interesting for me to read all your recent posts, but I cannot contribute as I have not taken any additional drugs since my treatment. But I like to know what is going on with you all Smile.

    Amy, nice to read about the play and the Spring. I remember the Spring being so beatiful in the US. I hope you enjoy many stress free hours outdoors in the coming weeks. Sending prayers to you, your daughters and all the family.

    Geri, so sorry for the loss in your family. Sending love. Your appointment reminds me of just about every check up I have. I always examine the doctor's face and try to figure out what they are thinking or about to say. It is a constant worry. Very happy to read though that there was nothing to worry about.

    Going back to work has been hard for my husband this week. Yesterday, he had to come back early, he was so exhausted and his head was really hurting. He is home again today and feeling more frustrated than ever. He is trying to fight it and say that if he carries on as normal, it will be ok (mind over matter, sort of thing), but in this case, I don't think it is going to work. So, we are still being patient and hoping he will get over it soon. I don't think he really believed the docs when they said it could take up to 6 months.

    Hope you are all feeling well today, sending you hugs, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2013

    Oh Judy that is so sad. Men (and some women too) really hate being limited and just think they can push through by sheer will. Sometimes it works, but sometimes it just can't be done. It is so hard to watch someone you love in pain or frustration and not be able to do anything to ease it. (believe me, I am getting a taste of that this week)

    I REALLY rested yesterday and feel much much better today.  Tomorrow is the follow up with the surgeon.

    Geri I am sorry for your family's loss. When the time comes for wedding dress shopping, it will be a joy for you. You know, I would have always said that OUR family had this good relationship too, post-divorce. I am extremely close with my brother/sister in laws, and mother in law. And even my ex and I are more than cordial, no animosity at all. He just started to deteriorate the past few years with loneliness and depression and it just spiraled out of control.  Very very sad. He may be discharged in the next few days, but will attend a daily program at the hospital for another week. A plan is coming into place and that is very reassuring.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Amy, so pleased that you are feeling better and rested. Thank you for your kind words...this too shall pass...right? A few bumps along the road, but we will get there I hope. He just needs to make smarter choices about what he can/cannot manage to do. I do give him my opinion of course, but that doesn't always help LOL! Hope your follow up appt goes well today. I hope your daughters are doing a bit better with a plan coming together to help their father.

    Helen, Florbo, how are you both feeling this week? Geri, how are you doing?

    I am swamped at work today, but otherwise generally ok. Feeling a bit down again, not sure why...I am sure this will pass too.

    Sending you all hugs, have a good day, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2013

    Met with surgeon. She is very pleased with my progress, healing nicely. All biopsies done were benign. YAHOO!

    Feeling much better yesterday and today. I am thinking in the next few weeks, I will be able to put this chapter behind me.

    Family meeting for ex husband's discharge, run by the hospital staff. My daughters attended. It went ok. They will discharge tomorrow and he will attend day treatment for the following week. Family seemed mostly ok with that, although I think they are all nervous. This is going to take a long time...........

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Amy, great news on the appointment! Always so nice to hear good news!

    I hope all goes well with the next stage of your ex husband's treatment plan.

    Geri, I hope yesterday went ok for you.

    Hugs to you all, Judy.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Have a good weekend everyone Cool!

    Hug to you all, Judy.

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited April 2013

    Hi all,

    Thanks for the input. I am going to discuss my situation with my onc during my next meeting with him.

    Monday I have my 2nd to last visit with the gyn onc. I would ask them but they always defer to my medical onc. I think after Monday's exam I only have one more mandatory visit in the fall (2 year mark) then I'm release from the GYN onc. I will go back to my regular GYN. He didn't say what my follow up schedule will be, probably once a year. Which is fine by me...maybe time for another cartwheel! LOL...the one I did after chemo was so pathetic!

    Amy so sad to hear about your family upheaval. Mental illness can be so difficult for loved ones.

    Geri the "hmmm" would have freaked me out. I am so glad to here he was not concerned.

    Judy, I'm sorry to hear about your husband. It does take our bodies more time to heal as we get older. Headaches can be so debilitating.

    Hugs to all.

    Betsy 

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited April 2013

    Thank you Betsy and I hope the appt goes well on Monday.

    Hope you are all feeling ok today. Hugs to you all, Judy.

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