Radiation only, no chemo
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Hi Jennifer - You are a Survivor!
Cancer is Cancer!
Run to the Survivor Celebration and do your 'Happy I Kicked Cancer Walk'))
Yippee that you sponsor a team to assist in finding a cure.
Our dx unites us ... Our tx does not add to or subtract from the fact that we have looked the devil in the eye and we survived!
Biopsy, surgery, rads, chemo, HT, or not...BC is the enemy...and you stood up!
Enjoy the celebration...brave warrior:))
(((Hugs)))
Survivor -
Jen, when you read through the posts there are some people who swear that their radiation was way worse than their chemo. Everyone reacts differently. So right that it is the diagnosis that makes us sisters not the treatment. Forget guilt. Life is too precious for wasting time on that. Go and have a great time. You are a survivor in every sense of the word. Let the party begin!
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I know exactly how you are feeling, Jenn. My husband was asked at work if a team could walk in my honor and I was asked to walk with a group from my school. It just doesn't seem like I have earned that honor, others have suffered so much more than me. I will support a team just like I have in the past, maybe it's just too soon for me, maybe next year I will feel differently.
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Jenn, You will forever have to report you had cancer, just like a cardiac patient you can't escape it. Once you have cancer the best news is you are a survivor, a warrior! As research has advanced and treatment protocols change you are part of those success stories, shout it, share it! It is because of us no matter threatment plan we have contributed to the cause and a cure - you need to share the good news! Let others celebrate with you and honor you. Patty
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Jenn-
I feel the same way. While I don't feel like. Fraud, I always tell people that I barely had cancer. I have been lucky, too. And yet, all of these wonderful women support us.
I asked my surgeon if I was a baby. She said that I wasn't. It is a shock to everyone, no matter what stage.
Rads start tomorrow!
Chick -
Stcharleschick - best wishes for rads! Come join us on Spring 2013 Rads! Have you met with your RO and had mapping and simulation. Do you know which protocol and how many grays.
Deep breathe and calm your body and mind. Your rad techs will take good care of you. Hydrate, moisturize, eat well, walk, rest, and laugh. It is serious laser tag, but take a sense of humor in with you. We'll be sending calming thoughts your way:) brave warrior!
Cindy -
I so appreciate this thread and all the insight each writer has imparted. I too dodged the chemo bullet with an oncotype score of 16, which I had to fight to get done for me. Iam still waiting for the insurance appeals toresolve and hopefully have them pay for it. I too feel that people don't see the visible scars and signs of my cancer journey.I had a lumpectomy with positive nodes and an immediate treatment recommendation which included chemo. The emotional turmoil is great as your hopes and quiet resolve to do everything necessary is brought to bear. I started rads today - day one - and I hope it will be reasonably smooth going. Appreciate all the stories and suggestions ofhow to cope with the radiation. On paper my scenario doesn't look great, especially the micrometasteses in the node,but my gut told me that I needed to look at the whole picture and go with the numbers. I don't regret not doing chemo. I will always be nervous when scanned or doing a mammogram, chemo or no. Be proud of your courage and hard-won wisdom all who have written over the past year or so. You know what you've gained and the price you paid. We are strong.
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Welcome Magnolia
Congrats on 1st day of rads. I think the first few days were the hardest...overwhelming...the long daily grind. Each day an acknowledgment that we are a war...
Stand strong warrior...serious laser tag, but know that we are there with you standing strong!
(((Hugs)))
Cindy -
Well I've been missing in action for a few weeks. Life just got too crowded. But I'm happy to say that tomorrow will be my last of 33 radiation treatments. The last day (for a while) of a 200 mile round trip for treatment.
I have learned a ton and have seen the best of what my supportive circle of friends and family can do. Had two drivers a week to pass the time with. Great to catch up with friends. Was able to work throughout the entire time. My boss had me take off my last hour class to make my 4:00 appointment. My students and coworkers totally surprised me with all wearing t-shirts that said "Pink Power of Kuziel's Krew" everyone wears them each Wednesday to show thei support of me as I complete this journey.
My husband has been amazing. Reminds me why I waited until I was 34 to get married. I was waiting for the "right" one, even though we still drive each other crazy on a daily basis.
Have had a great team of doctors that have put up with my barely contained hysteria. All in all not my best year, but certainly one of my most blessed years.
I hope the best for each of you as you complete your treatment. I'm sure there will lots of challenges to come, but realize I'm stronger than I thought I was. Little silver linings. -
Yeah Kuziel! Your a brave warrior and to be admired! So glad tomorrow it is DONE!
Luv the pink support shorts you are very blessed.
Today was my final boost...yippee my girl took 33 for the team. Took some liberties with the Black Eye Pea song I Gotta Feelin and made it my farewell zappin tune...it was a good good day jumped off the table cause there's no more zappin! Ha
Tomorrow you will be radiant knowing it is finished! But what a blessing you've discovered along the path... Just waiting to dance with you:))
(((Hugs)))
Cindy -
Thanks so much RMlulu, Seems we started and ended close together. 33 glow in the dark sessions - skin looking a bit dicey - but done - The ladies in radiation said they would miss my daily singing as I waited my turn (just sat outside the door and picked a new song to sing everyday - I'm a "hobby" singer so I killed two birds with one stone) So now on to some form of "better living with chemistry." Hopefully minimal side effects - but again I'm sure it's doable. For a person who nearly had a nervous break down having a colonoscopy, I'm amazed I got through the numerous tests, three surgeries, a blood clot, radiation and the emotional toll of the diagnosis - If someone had told me I could do this a year ago I would have said not a chance - but here I am six months from the start of this whole saga - and it looks like I made it. Guess we all do - just amazed (and I think everyone that knows me) I could actually do it. I know others have had it much worse and they have made it - that thought kind of shamed me into putting on my "big girl pants" and getting it done - Ready for life to get back to "normal" or at least my "new normal" Best of luck to you as well.
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Hello all! I am sorry I have been MIA for a bit there! Congratulations to everone who just finished up RADS! You are warrior strong!!! Be patient with yourself and give yourself plenty of time to heal and recover, that was some serious laser tag as RMlulu says
My last session was on April 17 hurray!! and it has been a bit of a whirlwind since then with other life events. I think things are finally starting to settle down. I took my comprehensive exam and passed! So I will be graduating this Friday, hurray! Thank you so much to all of you for your comments and encouragement, I can't even begin to tell you how every little bit helped to get me through those rough couple of weeks.
Now I have the big decision of whether to proceed with Tamoxifen, or just monitor from here forward. My MO is pushing the Tamoxifen, but I am 95% sure I am not going to do it. I am only 30, and my husband and I hopefully plan to have children, once I get the green light from my MO. I know Tamoxifen would postpone that to 5 years and could cause fertility issues. I guess I will be playing the odds game, but I so want to have children! Before my diagnosis, we were planning to start earlier this year, I couldn't imagine waiting 5 years! My biological clock my implode, lol.
I hope everyone is doing well and staying positive. To those just starting radiation, keep your chin up, and go in strong and fighting. Let us be your resource, your support and your outlet. This forum has an amazing group of people and I feel so fortunate to have found you all. Thank you thank you thank you!
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Yippee! FRITOZ ! Yippee!
Congrats on passing your exams and Friday's walk & diploma)). Well done so proud of you and how strong a warrior you are!
Yes, the RX issue...got my tamoxifen filled will take after a 4 wk break...but struggling with the thought...I really want to do this by lifestyle modifications. Seeing MO & NO for intergrated care.
Best Wishes to you and hubby and the sweet babies you will have!
You will be in my prayers
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Cindy -
Fritoz, Congratulations!!! We are all so very proud of you. I have a niece who finished a program in that area so I know how tough it is. How you ever accomplished all that including the clinicals while doing treatment leaves me in absolute awe of your courage and determination. Walk proud at your graduation, you are quite the woman!
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CONGRATULATIONS Fritoz! Yay! You did it! We are all so very happy for you. 😃 Hugs!
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Thank you Thank you! You are all wonderful! ((((hugs)))
How is everyone doing? Hope all is well with you and that you are getting a chance to enjoy the beautiful springtime.
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Good evening everyone. Had 1st session yesterday --lots of measuring and adjusting equipment and drawing all over me with markers. You know the drill. 2nd session today was in and out 1/2 hour. Piece of cake. I was told to slather on a cream -- Miaderm -- a couple of times a day and drink a lot of water. I can do that. Any other suggestions on what really works to keep skin from breaking down for as long as possible? Am glad to finally be at treatment phase after a month or so of post surgery tests and debates among the treatment team as to what to do next. Am hoping I will be done with this by July 4th and then those fireworks will be a real celebration!
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Magnolia--thanks for posting your story. My onco score is similar and MO really wanted to do chemo. I also said no and feel very calm and that it was the right choice. I went for a 2nd opinion and that MO (who I really liked) agreed that chemo would be of minimal benefit. Seeing others make the same decision to pass on chemo helps to affirm my choice. All the best in this phase.
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Navymominohio - Congrats on completing day 2! Yippee! You will rock rads...hydrate, moisturize, eat well, walk, rest, and do not over book yourself. Pamper yourself these days will be a grind...no pain but the daily reminder that you are in a fierce battle.
Your a mom so hard to find tie for yourself but do:). If you can free boob just air helps.
My skin did very well and am fair skin...miaderm and then hydrocortisone and emu oil. I think the oil saved me...hydrate hydrate hydrate!
Join us in 2013 Spring Rads! Make the routine fun...stickers post-it's your own body art
Think of a midnight full moon shimmering over the ocean with cool breezes and healing moon beams:)
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Cindy -
@ RMlulu and all-thanks for the great suggestions. These visits will be a challenge, non-medically. Haven't told anyone locally about dnx just because it won't help me work-wise. So trying to have daily rads covertly. 3 of 3 days I've run into someone I know in the parking lot or the building itself. Thank goodness its a big place with lots of different offices & hoping these folks thought I might be going to dentist or gyn. Today, someone I know casually walked into RO office before me. I hid out in the bathroom for a few minutes to "lose him". More worried I'd run into him at the x-ray room than why I was there in the first place. Good old subterfuge. I'm going to catch up on my Private Eye Kinsey Milhone novels for more tricks to employ.
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Navymominoh, I'm glad my you were able to see my post about the onco score ; and it helps me too when I know other people have come to the same conclusion about chemo. I've done 15/33 rads treatments so far and just starting to redden up and have some sensitivity. A littl energy lull too, but nothing serious. I was pretty upfront with people at work, and I wish there was a bit less interest in my situation frankly. I have a high demand job where if there is any perceived weakness, you get cut out of projects and taken out of the loop. I feel that I've kept up with my job and minimized my appointments. I go to rads after work hours. Yet I feel that my openness has come back to bite me a bit - there's been a different attitude toward me since then. Maybe bosses and peers are trying to be helpful, but It doesnt feel that way. I'm reading between the lines in your post, and wondering if you are concerned about some repercussions at work if they know you are dealing with cancer. I've become much more cautious about sharing about my health. Has anyone else experienced this at work? Suggestions?? My Positive thoughts go out to everyone for persevering and making it through every day with kindness and strength.
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@Magnolia57--you got it. My boss is irrationally freaked out by anyone who's less than perfect. Small employer so no federal law protections. Far less anxiety for me to be covert than deal with his issues. I've done great so far squeezing appointments in at lunch or before/after work. Lot of liquid protein shake "lunches" in my car on the way to a biopsy or whatever. Did take a 1/2 day off for surgery and fibbed a bit but that's it. So, very glad to have been excused from chemo as I don't think I could pull this off in a wig. And all this sneaking around--as it really is--has become an adventure and a good distraction from the core medical situation. Glad to hear I've probably got 2 more weeks before pinking up.
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navymominoh, I'm sorry to hear about your need to be covert; though i can see how it provides a diversion to thinking about the cancer,per se, and makes a challenge out of the logistics.
I've made my cancer in some ways, a problem to solve and an exercise in logic, and that has provided a way to compartmentalize. Stress has knocked me off my work game though somewhat, and I feel a little like prey in a survival of the fittest situation. I totally empathize with your added hassle, but it's cool that you have reframed it in a positive way. For me, I hope next week the rate of skin damage doesn't accelerate too much - this rate I can handle. I'll post my progress, have a good day tomorrow. -
Hi all. I can't believe I'm writing up this, but it looks like after all of this I will likely have to do chemo as well. I'm so freaked out I can hardly stand it. When I started radiation I was told I wouldn't have to do chemo, but after sending my tumor out for another test my oncologist is now recommending chemo. I wasn't home when he called and he wouldn't tell my husband much, so I have to call tomorrow. I had thought my life was back on track, but it looks like cancer is just going to screw with me forever.
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Oh Kkuziel, so sorry to hear that chemo is needed and especially to receive the news via a phone message:( you are a fierce warrior! We will be on your pocket in chemo land...check out cold caps.
Breathe...you are getting your life back...MO is making sure of it. It's been a long journey just one more hurdle...you've got this. Sending calm confident healing thoughts (((hugs)))
Cindy -
kkuziel, sorry to hear that your onco is now suggesting chemo. When you know what the results were and why he's recommending it, you can process the info and decide. If you haven't had the oncotype dx done, that may provide some meaningful data to help with your decision. I was a step away from chemo and re-evaluated based on the genomic testing. Question and consider the risks and benefits of the treatment and Impact on the recurrence percentage. Take care and let us support you in this. Sending out Positive thoughts and hopes magnolia57@
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Magnolia57, I had an oncotype test done in February. Results came back in the low intermediate, a score of 22. Reoccurance of 14%. That is the test result that my oncologist used to tell me he was confident with going with radiation and hormone therapy only.
When I went to see him a couple of weeks ago he told me that there was another company, mamma print, that also did testing, but that they only rated you either high or low. He said the test was free for anyone who had previously have a oncotype test. So he wanted to send a sample out for further testing. He was sure it would come back low.
Well he was wrong I guess. The big problem I'm having is this is the same tumor, just scored on a different test. I'm node negative, ER+/PR+, (at 90%), HER2-. All of that gave him the initial diagnoses that I would be at 95% if I did the radiation followed by hormone therapy, now I'm hearing a totally different story. I hate this and just don't know what to do. Based on the oncotype test neither he nor I thought the risk of chemo would outweigh the benefits for reoccurance, but this new test has thrown a wrench in the whole thing.
I know ultimately this is my decision, it's just so difficult. The risk of chemo are real and I can't ignore them. I don't want to be over treated that's for sure. At the same time I don't want die. What a mess. I'm going to need all the support I can muster. I was so thinking I was on the road to recovery, now not so much. I guess I'm sad. I had just finished radiation when he suggested this other test. So for two weeks I had this cloud over my head, and now the results. I feel like I've had my celebration for finishing radiation stolen from me. -
magnolia57 - if I could wind the clock back I wouldn't have been open at work about my cancer. I say this because in the 12 years I have been here I have never once been disappointed about anything. I have a very demanding job during serval difference months of the year where I will work 14-16 hours a day for 6-7 days a week. March is one of those months and I was getting my rads every morning at 7:00 AM. My preference is to start at 5:30 AM when it is quiet, my day ends when I have managed all the crisis for the day. Because it was a change in behavior, and when I had a complete treatment plan I was fine sharing my dx. I didn't need nor want to fill out FMLA paperwork because there wasn't a need at the time. Then HR heard about it from someone and they wanted a note from the RO that I wasn't placing any other staff at risk and that was a fair request and they had it the next morning. They then have a discussion with an outside labor attorney and now they send me an email with my job description and about 15 questions for the RO. I was so angry I ignored the request why should I have to prove I am capable and able to work when outside of the shift in my morning routine (self-imposed) I am still doing the same job with the same results. It happened that the social worker called me about the same time as a follow-up and I asked her the question if she had heard of such a thing and she gave me to referrals to attorneys that specialize in cancer and workplace issues. That put me over the edge. At my next weekly appointment with the RO she said she would do whatever I needed but I said no! I wasn't asking for an accommodation and I was stressed out enough about it all. After I finished my last treatment I waited 2 more weeks and made an appointment to see them. They agreed they had acted a little aggressively but with such a "serious diagnosis" they felt they needed more facts. I explained that my treatment plan was centered about keeping life normal and not becoming victim and their actions were counter productive to a successful treatment protocol. So in hindsight I would keep my health issues to myself. Hope you feel better that you aren't alone.
Patty
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kkuziel--for what its worth..my MO trained at MD Anderson and he thinks Oncotype is the only reliable test of its kind. My 2nd opinion MO at Cleveland Clinic also prefers Oncotype. So that's what we did and I left it at that. My various pre-Oncotype tests were all over the map and it was difficult to decide which results to run with. I decided to pass on chemo--got the talk that it could be helpful to some people but no one really knows who (with my tumor grade/score, etc.) benefits and which 96% or so don't. I am comfortable with my decision -- as you will need to be -- and that is really all that matters.
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Navymominohio, I have the exact diagnoses as you, size, grade and hormone status, even down to the number of lymph nodes taken. I talked to my MO this morning and we have an appointment on May 31.
Before he called yesterday I was certain that I would just go with hormone therapy, as was his first diagnoses. I had a 14% chance of reoccurance on the oncotype test and that was before hormone therapy. I was very comfortable with that. My problem is I have an authority issue, even at 57 years of age I tend to bend to authority. This is such a huge decision I don't know what to do. I had an appointment with my family doctor for another unrelated issue and she and I talked. She said I should ask many questions as she believes from the information she has from him this is not an active cancer. This is just a proactive way to increase my chances of it not reoccurring. Because I have negative nodes and a second surgery which showed no cancer, plus 33 radiation treatments, she's confident this is preventative. She said I should see how much hormone therapy would help and weigh it out. She said there is no right or wrong answer, just what I can live with.
You are right also, no one can predict who will have a reoccurance, and who will not. One of the ladies at work said she would just let it go and watch and be diligent about mammograms, and if it does come back then deal with chemo. I also know several woman that have had the tumor removed and did nothing more. Both are 6+ year survivors. This is such scary crap.
I'm taking my husband with me to keep me from agreeing to anything too drastic. He's so concerned about my mental well being. I was hysterical last night and not a lot better today. When this whole thing started in December that's how I was. Lost 25 pounds in six weeks. Once I knew I would be in line for just hormone therapy and had no lymph node involvement I felt much better, now I feel like I've gone backwards three months.
Also appreciate your info on the oncotype test. I figure it's been around the longest and has the most data to support it. I also found a presentation online that showed the benefit of hormone therapy for my score greatly improved my odds, but that chemo changed things very little.
You're right, I have to be happy with the decision. And I'm not a good decision maker. I hate to disappoint people, and I feel like I will disappoint my doctor if I don't agree with him. And then I'm afraid I will disappoint my husband if this darn thing comes back because I did nothing more. I'm going to have to put on my big girl pants and belly up to the bar. As my MO said it's your life, it's ultimately your decision.
Thanks again kris
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