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  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited April 2013

    By my count, I am off for treatment month no 38. Last week a nurse taking blood collapsed my vein, so not sure I will be able to have my blood work done, but I have fully hydrated just in case.

    *susan*

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited April 2013

    Whoops, thanks again for the reminder, Susan! Off we go.

    Guzzle, guzzle, gulp.

    Tina

    P.S. Actually I may hydrate too much, as I see my sodium levels are consistently low. Yours?

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited April 2013

    Just when you think your monthly Faslodex injections are routine, you have a month like this. Intense pain and waves of nausea. Came home and made some soup. Hope that will settle everything down.

    *susan*

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited April 2013

    Susan, sorry you're having a bad reaction. Hope the soup does the trick. Guess that will teach you to think of anything related to Stage IV as "routine." The only constant seems to be unpredictability. Today was my 19th Faslodex treatment and so far, so good. But I'm on the couch for the rest of the day, pampering my butt and my back.

    On the good news front, my onc told me that I could now see him every two months instead of every month. I'll still go to his office for monthly treatments and blood draws, but see him for questions and exams monthly only if I want to. I assume this is because he considers me to be in basically good shape, not because he does not want to spend time with wonderful me!

    Tina

  • stellaratovsky
    stellaratovsky Member Posts: 618
    edited April 2013

    I have been on faslodex for 4 months. What I noice with this drug it takes longer to kick in. Is it true or is it me??

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited April 2013

    Stella, yes it's true that Faslodex takes longer to kick in than some treatments. However, it works well for many people and it is an easier treatment than most. Speaking only for myself, I can say that it took me to stable within six months or so and to virtual NED within a year. ( I say "virtual"l because my lung mets are inactive, but still visible on scans.)

    Tina

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2013

    Hi - I read every post on this thread, then just read last three pages since I posted.  Some experiences, questions and thoughts....  I tried to write it simple but I am a wreck, I feel like I cannot trust anyone, but I guess I was given good news yesterday.  I keep telling myself that my MO said the bc MO is a world-class specialist, I know now she only sees patients 12 hrs a week, the rest of her days are research and trials for bc.  So deep breath and trying to trust but I kind of spin a little in the telling.

    Experiences -

    Rx'd Arimidex / Fosladex complementary along w my own alternatives.  Been through 3 injections, now will be on 1x / mo.  I was examined by the bc specialist oncologist prior to tx beginning.  She is quick, worries me, I get conflicting info from her, saying she did not feel the node in R axilla (the large cancer one) last time, she felt it in L axilla where there was no cancer node, see what I mean, but perhaps there was a L swollen node ??? guessing.  Anyway, she could feel the large cancer node she said, the tender area. She said this time that last time she could feel things all over and this time nothing.  It is working, she said.  She is comfortable w recheck in 3 mo and PT not scheduled for perhaps 5 (last that showed mets was Jan).  This is within five weeks on Aridex and one month since first Folsadex injections.  I would wonder about this, but the general oncologist who referred me to he said that the loading doses would be working soon too, neither mentioned waiting for months for results. 

    Lung mets - both MOs said no surgery, no biopsy, no chemo, to trust this combination.  I know I walked quickly into this huge center yesterday, felt fine and did not feel burning in lungs or tired like I did in January.  If all else is responding, then lungs too, we would hope.

    Question - long bone pain.  Anyone.  Is it a deep groaning pain under muscle in middle of bone length (not center as in marrow)?  I experienced long bone pain in R thigh for 4 days, off and on, stopped.  Last week was in R lower arm bone, lasted 4 days off and on and kept me awake two nights.

    I said to bc specialist MO I had it and why does it happen.  She said it is usually small joints, hands and feet.  I said, well, good to know, but why does it happen.  She did not answer that one.  At the general MO's office I asked his nurse, she said it happens and tends to fade, go away for good, but she did not know why either.  Or do they not say on purpose?  Is this because I do not want to know the answer, something irreversible?  Or is it bcz there could be cancer in bone, slight level, not what shows in SUV on PT?  And the cancer is dying off?  Or both?

    Thoughts, I decided I have none.  Except maybe the ice is not necessary, but the warming of fluid is.  I carefully warm in my armpits.  I was told by IU Health CC to use heat afterward and to walk often, move around often.  I have done well on injections, really, no pain, no swelling or lumps.

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited April 2013

    Welcome to the Faslodex thread.

    I don't feel that I can address the real question in your post since I have no idea if you should trust your team. However, armidex with faslodex has shown great results in trials. Armidex is known for causing bone and joint pain, so that part seems normal. Scans at 3 months seems fairly standard as well. No chemo while on your current treatment is also standard.

    Bone pain is not unusual. There are a number of Armidex threads on this forum, and on the hormonal thread talking about this. For me, when I was on aromasin, Advil was the best pain relief. Much better than any narcotics.

    Not sure that this post is helpful.... but we are here when you need us.

    *susan*

  • MeMeMe
    MeMeMe Member Posts: 1
    edited April 2013

    I'm new to this site. I am currently on monthly Faslodex. I read that if you put weight on the side where the shot is being given that it lessens the pain. I tried it and it helped. I also have a lidocane cream applied 1/2 hour to an hour before getting the shots. that helps as well.



    My experience with faslodex is that I feel great and healthy most of the time. I get headaches, have sore hips at night for about a week, I have hot flashes sometimes, but I feel good most of the time. I eat a healthy diet. I exercise. I take a multiple vitamin regimen every day and I get up and move and get fresh air every day.



    When I was diagnosed nine years ago I had stage III breast cancer. Now I have stage IV. I just hope this helps someone.



    Faslodex does take a while to start working. But it is not the worst thing I have had in terms of treatment.

  • aggy2001
    aggy2001 Member Posts: 8
    edited April 2013

    Hi ladies!  I am so glad for all those getting a good response with Faslodex.  I am still not clear how long it can take before Fas starts to work??  I've been on it 3 months now, no signs of improvement  that I can see. Have not had any scans since beginning Fas either.  Anyone know the answer?

    Thanks

    Shelagh

  • sandilee
    sandilee Member Posts: 1,843
    edited April 2013

    aggy-Does your onc take any tumor markers with your blood work each month when you get your injections?  Often the markers will show improvement before scans, but sometimes not.   I would think that your next scans will show something. Even if they just show stability, that's a good thing.  At three months, you might ask your doc for a scan.

  • aggy2001
    aggy2001 Member Posts: 8
    edited April 2013

    Thanks, sandi, no, tumour markers have never been done, I am seeing onc next week and I think they may schedule a scan.

  • Aerial
    Aerial Member Posts: 194
    edited April 2013

    I think it was 4 or 5 months before I had my first scan after starting Faslodex.  I'm happy to say it's been working for me for about 20 months, now.

    I had a CT scan this past Tuesday but, have to wait until Monday to get the results.  Ugh.  I hate waiting but, I'm hopeful for continued improvement and stability.

    Welcome to the thread bluebird!   This is just my opinion but, I think all of our experiences will be unique to each of us.  Because our cancer is unique to our own genetic makeup, there are no solid, strict answers to many of our questions.  Everyone responds a little differently to the drugs, chemo and/or hormonal treatments.  I think doctors are a bit embarassed to not have "definite" answers yet, that is the reality of cancer treatments as we know them, today.  Heck of a way to live, huh?  Although, I try to be thankful about the living, part.

  • marymoir
    marymoir Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2013

    Anyone else having hair loss on the faz? I have had more hair falling out the last week than I did when I was taking Doxil (which my onc said would cause hair loss, but didn't do much more than just thinning). Just wondering if anyone else had experienced this. So far I've only had 2 "rounds."

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited April 2013

    Marymoir, every so often I notice more than a few strands on my hands when I wash my hair. I don't think this is happening each time, but it might be. My hair is a lot drier than before, but does not seem to be thinner than when I started on Faslodex in the summer of 2011.

    Tina

  • chocolatesalad
    chocolatesalad Member Posts: 118
    edited April 2013

    Hi Everyone,

    Well, it looks like tomorrow I'll be starting on Faslodex(with existing Aromasin); I was on Afinitor but have shortness of breath(even after thoracentesis), so doc and I decided it'd be safest to put me on Faslodex. I've heard many doctors use Afinitor after exhausting all the A/I's etc., though we went a different route.

    Afinitor is definitely an intense treatment but effective-- it got my CA 27 29 tumor marker down about 80 points in 6 weeks. I'm at 58, now.

    Saw my PET results and the only thing lighting up is my left lung--however there's a wall that has formed in there/and my lung is compressed--so I see a pulmonologist in a couple of days to help me further investigate and treat... also will get a echocardiogram. The shortness of breath seemed to improve after a few days of discontinuing the Afinitor... but I also have an upper-resp infection and onc said that I may have pneumonia that's "hiding". I've had 2 earlier bouts of it. Afinitor can make one more susceptible to pneumonia/infection; I'm also aware that it can cause pneumonitis...

    My onc also talked about possible lung surgery:P  Will take a day at a time. Hope the mystery is soon solved! 

    If you have any advice for remedying the common S/E's of Faslodex, please share. Thanks:)

    Wishing the best for all of you.

    <3

  • chocolatesalad
    chocolatesalad Member Posts: 118
    edited April 2013

    Just came back from getting 1 shot in each cheek.

    Officially a "Faslodex Girl"(for however long!)

    I'm thinking the S/E's will be mild compared to the Afinitor.(whew!) (and I don't mean to minimize anyone's discomfort fro S/E's--I know it's different for all. I'm just hoping it's easier than Afinitor--knocking on wood.

    Best to all!

    <3

  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited April 2013

    I was having some hair loss with the aromasin, and then with the faslodex. But.. surprise, it wasn't the faslodex at all! It was my thyroid acting up. Two weeks past thyroid surgery and it is still wisping out. Been told that it will take about three months for this side effect to disappear.

    *susan*

  • bourscheid
    bourscheid Member Posts: 718
    edited April 2013

    Good news!  PET scan results are in...significant improvement in all areas!  Mostly just have a few small liver lesions left and they are significantly reduced with little uptake!  Woohoo!  Even better...I get to stop the Doxil and just continue with the Faslodex and Xgeva!  So excited!

  • marymoir
    marymoir Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2013

    Yea Lori!!!! Significant improvement = music to our ears!!

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited April 2013

    Lori, I second that "yay!" Great news!

    Tina

  • sandilee
    sandilee Member Posts: 1,843
    edited April 2013

    Great news, Lori!

    marymoir- Yes!  I had a ton of hair fall out when I started Faslodex. It seemed like I lost about a fourth of what I had on my head! The good news is that after about a month, the hairloss stopped, and it all grew back in.   The nurses at my onc's office said that they had heard that from some people, so I think while not a common side effect, it does happen.

  • chocolatesalad
    chocolatesalad Member Posts: 118
    edited April 2013

    Hi Lori,

    Jumping in--I'm new to this Faslodex board. Don't know you, but I'm happy to hear your good news!  :)

    Wishing everyone, the best.

  • Tish_13
    Tish_13 Member Posts: 67
    edited April 2013

    Yeah Lori! great news!!!

    Marymoir, I have have no hair loss or thinning, just some weight gain 'cuz this has not effected my appetite at all!

  • Tina2
    Tina2 Member Posts: 2,943
    edited April 2013

    Holy Hotflashes, Faslowomen!

    Mine, which had virtually disappeared for many months, are back with a vengance and increasing in occurence, strength and duration. My face flushes as well.

    Anyone else experiencing this "out of the blue" after being on Faslodex for a while?

    Maybe it's the arrival of warmer weather...? I know this is no big deal, but I'm curious.

    Tina

  • chocolatesalad
    chocolatesalad Member Posts: 118
    edited April 2013

    Hi Tina

    Are you on Faslodex, by itself?  I'm on aromasin and faslodex, and had my ovaries out in January.  I don't get as many hot flashes as I did pre-oopherectomy. When I started on Femara and Lupron combo. I was always getting them--and weird thing was that it tapered off at the same time onc and i realized that the femara/lupron combo was no longer effective. guess my estrogen was kicking in again.

    When I was on afinitor(feb -march), i seemed to be cold always--from the inside! But that's gone and I've had a couple of hot flashes since returning to the aromasin(now with faslodex).   Hope your flashes ease up!

    We still have a couple feet of snow out there so i can just poke my head outside to cool off when I get a flash...

    ps: do you find that when you eat spicy foods or drink alcohol(if you do), it's worse? I noticed that for me... very intense waves of heat.i think warmer weather seems to set it off too... from my own experience, i'd have to agree with the weather theory, as well.

  • M360
    M360 Member Posts: 356
    edited April 2013

    Tish 13

    I wasn't saying it spreads the cancer you misunderstood.  Let me make this clear it stops the spread of cancer but doesn't rid the area of the bone cancer.  I've been put on Xgeva, Cytoxan and Xeloda along with Faslodex but have been told by three different Oncologist that it hasn't changed my bone mets.  Actually my cancer markers tripled while on all of the above.   Haven't had another PET Scan but am scheduled for such in May.  Faslodex will help stop the cancer from spreading but Faslodex doesn't cure the cancer itself.  I've been told time and time again that I will never be cancer free but they are trying to slow or stop it from metastasizing faster.  I had lung surgery for two tumors in January but since then I now have three in lung and 2 in the Pleural, T1 through T11, right hip and femur.  I can't take Femara had horrible allergic reaction.  Cytoxan helps my bone pain and joint pain from Flaslodex.   My situation with bone pain is somewhat different because I have severe rheumatoid arthritis and have had over ten surgeries on joints and connective tissue, plus have had osteoporosis in the past.  Oncologists have given me Cytoxan for that reason to stop my joint and bone pain, this has worked in the past and is doing so again.  If I wasn't on Cytoxan they would have had to stop the Faslodex, because my joint pain in hands and wrist would not allow me to hold a glass.  I know how Faslodex will help the spread that is why I've advocated to increase the Cytoxan so that I can stay on Faslodex.   I guess every person reacts different to all these different medications, were not all the same when it comes to treatment and progression.

  • Tish_13
    Tish_13 Member Posts: 67
    edited April 2013

    Thank you M360. Thank you for the explanation. I too have pain from arthrtis and was on a clinical trial of biophosphomates that was to keep bone mets from happening in the first place. When I went in last May for my last scan for the trial it found the Bone mets. I too had no markers up till that point. My markers have been climbing since I have been off the trial. I do know several ladies that are living with bone mets for over 10 years. One has been NED for a few years. I know there is not cure, but I hope, pray and work for many more years of quality life for all of us ladies!

    Thank you,

    Tish

    Ps Arthritis on top of it all is not fair!

  • mkkjd60
    mkkjd60 Member Posts: 583
    edited April 2013

    Hello can anyone tell me if they have had success with Faslodex after being heavily pretreated with chemo. Mom has already been on act for initial bc in 2006 and has been on taxol gemzar xeloda halevan and ixempra for stage iv liver mets. Thank you

  • sandilee
    sandilee Member Posts: 1,843
    edited April 2013

    Sorry, mkkjd60, I can't answer your question, as I haven't had chemo--yet.

    I am happy to report that Faslodex continues to work for me. I had scans last week that showed no progression, and I have tumor markers (CEA) that are now in the normal ranges--3.3.  I never thought that would be possible, especially since 20 months ago they were in the high 200's.  Other than Xgeva and my calcium,D3, etc., I'm not on any other medication.  Faslodex has been very good to me.




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