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  • Cuetang
    Cuetang Member Posts: 575
    edited March 2013

    Thanks everyone...too bad we can't just fast-forward some things in life!  Laughing  Now to decide if I need to dig into the Xanex/Ativan stash or not...

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited March 2013

    Sbelizabeth,

    I had implant failure due to severe radiation damage. I had issues with immed recon with direct implants with malfunctioning Alloderm sling being crunched up under implant as well as tons of scar tissue even before radiation.



    38 Rads plus 5 boosts destroyed my chest wall basically frying the crappy alloderm sling and scar tissue in chest wall.



    I had much much pain starting from moment i woke up from bmx alnd and immed recon direct implant surgery.



    According to my arrogant first PS, he said your skin looks great and ignored my complaints of pain and eventually did say in his dictation, but not to me that the unusual thickness in my breast fold was consistent with Alloderm. My non radiated breast did not have this alloderm prob but different set of probs from massive hematoma.



    Anyway, my very thin and radiated breast skin got tougher and crunchier and dryer.



    Then my implant made the great escape medically called extrusion through a break in my skin and had to be surgically removed.



    I had no choice but to have free flap surgery such as DIEP or SGAP. (Thank God was not a candidate for old school Lat Dorsi flap some local docs tried to push. I had major damage and axillary / armpit cording in the way).



    My breasts are now in process of being reconstructed by a top microsurgeon who has done thousands of free flap breast recons and only works on breast cancer patients.



    In my case the bottom half of my breast skin was removed and replaced with skin and tissue from my butt. I had the other cement block implant removed and reconstructed as well. I had much damage to my chest wall and pec muscles too so i wasnt a simple case. He also ordered HBOT-hyperbaric oxygen therapy daily for a month to help healing of rads damage. So that's why i had to go out of state to highly experienced microsurgeon. A few local PS were just starting to get into DIEP and no SGAP and I was better candidate for SGAP anyway.



    Thanks for listening to my long story.



    You will be amazed at what your microsurgeon can do to fix radiation damage. Just be sure you are on same page and they explain everything that will be done.

    Warm wishes!

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited March 2013

    sbelizabeth - my radiated side took the implant well and actually is less painful than my regular side!  It is smaller, but frankly, I don't care.

  • Moviemaniac
    Moviemaniac Member Posts: 949
    edited March 2013

    Cuetang, best wishes on your surgery tomorrow! It will be over before you know it, and you will be on the road to recovery in not time. :-)



    Namaste and God Bless-Jackie



    PS-you won't regret it!

  • Moviemaniac
    Moviemaniac Member Posts: 949
    edited March 2013

    Cuetang-use that Ativan! It really helps.



    Namaste and God Bless-Jackie

  • Cuetang
    Cuetang Member Posts: 575
    edited March 2013

    Thanks Moviemaniac!  Laughing

  • wraithg
    wraithg Member Posts: 93
    edited March 2013

    Cutang I was a ball of nerves too!! Just didn't let on or tell anyone. I cheer you on too!! Just walk forward and don't look back. I was glad I brought my slippers(make sure they are slip ons) and a housecoat , that was big enough to cover those lovely balls we are given(drains). A book is another important thing to bring. They get you up and going within a day. Cheers

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited March 2013

    Cuetang - 

    Go for the Atavin! So exciting that by tomorrow at this time, you'll be on to the healing. I read on these threads that one woman woke up feeling very relaxed, cus her body hadn't had the chance to lay still for a long period of time for a while. You're almost there, congratulations!

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited March 2013

    My countdown has begun.  It's now 39 days until surgery.

    Of course, there are all kinds of hoo-ha leading up to it.  Pre-op blood work, ECG, and (worst of all) a PET scan.  I had a normal bone scan and CT last fall, but they wanted to get a PET this time.  

    Scanxiety, here I come...

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2013

    You can get through it, sbelizabeth....soon, it'll be behind you!!!! I'm struggling now with trying to "hang on to tummy fat", while also working at being as fit as I can going into surgery. The fitter I get, the smaller I get. AARRGGGHHH! Why can't this be the easy part! When I get up tomorrow, it'll be 35 days for me.

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited March 2013

    Grrrr. Just told that I'd have to wait 3-5 months for my surgery. So discouraging, because I expected to have it done in the spring. Is that the normal wait time? 

    I just want to get this over with so I can move on, and put my two years of treatment behind me.  Also - I really wanted to enjoy my summer. So discouraging. 

  • faith729
    faith729 Member Posts: 244
    edited March 2013

    Hey ladies Im snowed in here in Massachusetts snuggled up with a blanket and some coffee :)

    Cuetang I will be thinking of you today praying for a smooth transition and healthy fast recovery.



    Janet M It's discouraging for sure I'm sorry to hear that you have to wait so long for surgery. I started this process back in November and kept telling myself not to worry about anything because I had plenty of time. Believe it or not though it sneaks up fast ! There were moments where I got frustrated with the waiting time after all in the bc world we are masters at the art of waiting :) but they were just moments and they passed. Oddly enough I took up painting as my own form of therapy/distraction. When I say painting I mean interior painting rooms in our house lol my dh isn't a big fan but he knows its helping.



    Questions.. how soon after surgery can we use our own underwear? What types of pants/shorts are possible in the hospital ?

    I've noticed that breast skin looks lighter after surgery is it always that way with a skin sparing DIEP and will it match skin tone with time ?



    24 days and counting! I've got my physical and teach appointments in Boston next Thursday and Friday. My current state of mind is just calm knowing that I'm doing this because I need to and I'm surrendering my fears and all control leaving it up to my bs my ps and god. That may change the day before but for now this is where I am.



    Enjoy your day ladies :)

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2013

    Thinking of you cuetang.....(X)

    Janet....is that because of availability of your surgeon/OR, or for other reasons. Can you ask to be put on a "cancellation" list if you can be available at short notice? I waited for 15 months to see my PS, and this January, was then given a wait time of early 2014. I told his office, I was available on short notice if there was a cancellation, and sure enough, later that same day, got a date for this April 12. I'm now at 35 days and counting. I decided to try to use the wait time to get as healthy as I could, pre-surgery. Hasn't been easy, emotionally, some good days, some bad days, but you get through it one day at a time. 

    Faith..stay warm and snuggly. Painting sounds like good therapy :)! Good luck on your pre-op stuff. I'm waiting for my pre-op call......heart goes pitter pat every time the phone rings!

    Love to all.

  • seagan
    seagan Member Posts: 166
    edited March 2013

    Janet - how frustrating for you!! I'm so sorry and crossing my fingers that nihahi's strategy might work for you too.



    Thinking of Cuetang today as well.



    Scheduled to return to work on Monday. We'll see how that goes! It will be just about the 3-week mark and I still need me a nap every day, so I have a feeling they will be short days to begin with. I experimented with staying up all day today and I'm wiped out at 4pm. Thank goodness for a flexible boss and work that can wait.



    I'm amazed at the human body's ability to heal itself. I swear I can sometimes feel my incisions have got tighter, more healed together, when I get up from a sitting or lying position. Probably my imagination, but I like to think of it that way. Makes the creaky, tight feeling more bearable!

  • Cherrie
    Cherrie Member Posts: 1,423
    edited March 2013

    If you feel you need the summer take it. I am from Michigan and they are so short. I don't regret doing that. I am 2 weeks out today from my stage 2. All uphill now.

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited March 2013

    Wow - thanks for the uderstanding. So nice to have people truly get how frustrating the waiting can be.

    Nihahi - The waiting is as you said. Two surgeons, and an OR room for ten hours. And I will definitely call on Monday and ask to be put on a cancellation list. Thank you

    My treatments ended last June, and the surgeon said that I should wait for a year after radiation, but then the PS said six months - so I think I probably should have been more proactive.

    I've gained some weight for the surgery - and I was really hoping not to have to carry it around all summer. Okay - it's pure vanity. I wanted the tummy tuck. And I want to get more fit but I can't jeopordize my belly. It took a lot of cheese and ice-cream to get me where I am today.

    Also - I'm a freelance with contracts from 2 - 8 months each, and I have one winding down and don't know about taking another and leaving part way through.  And - I wanted to plan a trip. I know this is common stuff, and my health is the most important thing (of course). But jeez - I've had enough of putting my life on hold. I just want to wake up one day and not have to think about cancer treatment. 

    Thanks for letting me vent. I'll just buckle the f*ck up - and  live vicariousy throught the rest of you!

    Seagan - Good luck at work on Monday. So happy that you've got a flexible boss. Take care of yourself.

    Faith - Hang on to the calm. Sounds like a nice place to be.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2013

    Janet....vent away girl...yes, we totally get where you are coming from! I hear you on trying to balance the "get fit" with hanging on to the tummy! Nothing wrong in wanting the tummy tuck.....surely we deserve to have SOMETHING as a "perK" out of all this!!! ;)  I'll be crossing my fingers for a good spot for you on the cancellation list!

    Seagan...boy, you just keep amazing me! Question for you, there's been lots of chat lately about waists getting bigger after DIEP, not the assumed "smaller". What have you found? Sorry if asking TMI!

    Think I'm gonna stock up on ice cream this weekend to help keep Janet company. 

  • seagan
    seagan Member Posts: 166
    edited March 2013

    Nihahi - I've been trying to suspend judgment on my waist, hoping things will "settle" differently after swelling subsides, but as of right now I have to say my waist is definitely bigger.It's like everything got pulled up and over where my waist was. I look more boyish, or as one gal said on a different thread - more like a Coke can, less like a bottle! I haven't tried putting on old pants to see if I'm just imagining it - hope springs eternal! - but I'm pretty sure I couldn't button 'em right now.



    If it stays like this, I admit I'll be disappointed - I really liked my old waist! Plus I wasn't expecting it. I thought I had read about all the possibilities, but I guess not.



    It's on my list of questions for my next PS appt. In the meantime, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's a temporary deal.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2013

    Man....not what I was hoping to hear!!! It'll be interesting to hear what your PS has to say. I agree, when researching the procedure, a larger waistline was never something that was presented as a consequence!!!!!!! I can handle it as a temporary thing, part of the healing process, but really don't want it as a permanent result! 

  • kimdy
    kimdy Member Posts: 66
    edited March 2013

    Janet M....I so understand.  My BMX was November 2011..My initial hope was to have DIEP June or July of 2012...but no insurance didn't want to cover a reliable PS...so I waited and changed insurance.  

    My plan was then to have it January 2013...I even had it scheduled....but in the preop process found out chemo had damaged my heart.  So we will reevaluate heart in July...so my hope was for Fall 2013, but since we have a retail business will end up waiting until January 2014!!!!!  Just doesn't seem to be coming together!

    I just want to get it over and be DONE!!!

    I'll continue to follow the rest of you!

    SO hugs!!! I feel your pain:)  Take Care

  • Moviemaniac
    Moviemaniac Member Posts: 949
    edited March 2013

    Hello ladies! Just got to computer to post.....Nihahi and Janet, keep on working on keeping your weight up.....I went from a A-B to a B-C with my DIEP (I know things still have to settle, but overall, my "tummy" served me well. :-). I DID work out every day (well 5-6 days) a week, both cardio and weights. I did yoga twice weekly, and worked on keeping my abs as firm as I could.....



    Seagan, my waist is larger, but I have been able to wear my jeans, and pencil skirts....and I just invested in a spanx bodysuit for extra slimming....probably going to need it for a while!



    Thinking of you, Cuetang, and sending you wishes for s very speedy recovery! :-)



    Namaste and God Bless - Jackie

  • Morningsun1
    Morningsun1 Member Posts: 649
    edited March 2013

    nihahi, I am almost 6 weeks out, and I don't think my waist line is larger. A friend of mine is a baker and she makes the world best carrot cake. Between Christmas and my surgery on January 28, I consumed two of her carrot cakes. They made a significant contribution to my new girls :-)

    faith, keeping busy was the best way to make the per-op waiting easier for me. I worked full time until 3days before my surgery. On weekends and in the evenings, my friends kept me either on the tennis court or at bridge games.

    My abdominal wound is nearly all closed. Today, I drove for the first time post surgery, went to watch my team play a tennis match in the morning and play bridge in the evening.

    seagan, I will be going back to work on Monday too. Yes, a flexible boss is nice to have, so I can gradually get back to full time.

    Best wishes too all! Tammy

  • Moviemaniac
    Moviemaniac Member Posts: 949
    edited March 2013

    Tammy-so glad to hear that you are almost healed up! That is great news!



    Namaste and God Bless-Jackie

  • Morningsun1
    Morningsun1 Member Posts: 649
    edited March 2013

    Janet, I was DX with bc October 19, 2012, my bilateral NSM with DIEP surgery was January 28, 2013, over 3months. It took me over a month to find the ps I like, and two more months for them to get bs+ps+10hr OR room together.

  • Morningsun1
    Morningsun1 Member Posts: 649
    edited March 2013

    Thanks Jackie! How is yours coming along? I've been thinking about you and hoping things go smooth for you as well. Tammy

  • Moviemaniac
    Moviemaniac Member Posts: 949
    edited March 2013

    Tammy - My PS re-sutured me exactly two weeks ago.....I cannot believe the difference in my energy level! My divot was about 7" x 2" x 1" deep....my poor body was expending a lot of energy just trying to heal itself. The best part, my wound culture came back clean....:-). I'm on the home stretch!



    Namaste and God Bless - Jackie

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited March 2013

    Faith. Why would skin be two toned in a skin sparing Diep? Skin sparing means the breast skin remains. If you could not spare the skin due to delayed recon for example, then the doc uses the abdominal skin. And then it can be two toned. In my case my skin was spared except for a small area where I needed skin due to skin necrosis. And at first it was different but after stage 2 which was 3 months later it was the same. Matter of fact I thought my ps removed it cause I couldn't see it.

  • seagan
    seagan Member Posts: 166
    edited March 2013

    Kimdy -- so sorry you have had to wait so long. And that on top of the scare about heart damage from chemo. Sounds like you have been through the wringer! I wish you all kinds of patience.



    Tammy & Jackie - so glad to hear about your healing! I keep worrying one of my boys will accidentally bonk me and the abdom scar will open up or I'll lose a flap. One of them jostled me a bit trying to climb over a chair for something (?) and you'd think I had been thrown off a bldg with the fuss I made.

  • Pamela44
    Pamela44 Member Posts: 143
    edited March 2013

    My waist is definitely SMALLER since DEIP 2.  It is back to my waist of my 20's.  That is probably because in stage 2 I had lipo of my flanks and full abdomen from below my rib cage (I think, there were black and blue marks there) to above my abdominal scar.  I am very, very happy with how my overall shape came out.  And yes, I was secretly salivating over doing the tummy tuck, and it came true! Pictures pre and post DEIP 2 are on the picture forum if you want to see what I mean.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited March 2013

    Where is the picture forum?  I've looked all over the site and can't find it.

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