January 2013 chemo group
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Zorina, I'm on a different regimen than you are but I've noticed more fatigue during the latter part of the cycle following the third infusion (I'm getting ready for the fourth).
I don't know if it's because I'm trying to do more to get caught up from being behind for so long during this cycle or if it's the plateau I've heard about with chemotherapy.
In any case, I hope taxol goes well for you. It looks like you're just a few days away from starting it.
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That's a great link, Jean. I just bookmarked it.
Have you checked out the hair, hair thread? Several women have posted photos of their hair growth progression. It's one of my favorite threads.
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Link to one of lago's hair progression posts on the "hair, hair, hair - another question" thread:
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topic/707348?page=614#post_3443042
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cgesq, thanks so much for checking in and reminding us there is life after chemo!
LeeA, LOL on the pug - so funny!
for those asking about tastes being ruined...I am finding that more and more every day as nothing really tastes good to me so I keep having to dig up new things to eat and then move onto something else the next day...I find it lasts longer each tx and I can only hope it moves on quickly once I'm finished or I may never eat again! Speaking of things making you sick, I've also noticed I hate anything associated with this time - my toothpaste, moisturizer, etc and I have also started to hate my pajamas and comfy clothes I'm wearing around the house...I just want to pile it all up and burn it when I'm done...anyone else feel this way? UGH!
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ywheels, I'm coming out of the woods from AC#4 now, and it was definitely easier than AC#3. You hang in there!
Zorina, I'm a bit paranoid about the state of my heart, too. Did you have an echocardiogram or a MUGA before you started tx? I had one in December, and I have another one coming up the morning before I start Taxol, but I think that's because I'll also be getting Herceptin, which is rough on the heart, too. My MO hasn't been worried about my SEs so far, but I know I'll feel much better when I can see for myself that my LVEF is still normal.
LeeA, how do you find these things? That picture is AWESOME! Hooray for cabana-pugs!
Jean (kingboo), great link. I'm really looking forward to some of those foods tasting good again, too!
hope49, I feel exactlythe same way. I start having this awful knee-jerk reaction to anything related to tx, and I mean anything... even my best friend. She's been angel enough to sit with me through each round of AC, and now I'm starting to feel nauseated when I think about her. I told her yesterday that I may need her to skip a round or two to break the association. Are you freakin' kidding me?! That is SOOOO not okay...
And now for a bit of entertainment -- this made me giggle:
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By the end of ac3 I was so tired I was looking forward to ac4 so I could rest and not go to work. Now it's her and day two I'm so much worse than I was last time but I think that might. Be because i had a reiki treatment last time , and it was amazing.
I hope you're all doing ok, and congrats to those meeting milestones in their tx
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So what does PFC stand for?? All I can come up with is post f@ck!ng chemo. Lee the pug pic is awesome!
Zorina no energy needed for the cabana boys. Just sit back, relax and let them serve all your needs. Massages, check! Planting our butts by the pool to not move for about a week, double check!
hope49 I was worried about certain smells being associated with the chemo and not liking them any longer. So, I switched my moisturizer (still same kind, but different scent). It is suppose to be scentless, but it does have a smell that I will never want to have again after this is all over. I'm not wearing perfume either for fear of ruining that. But, I just put honeysuckle scents in my wallflowers (it is a warming unit that plugs into the wall if anyone doesn't know). That is one of my fave's but maybe I should rethink that and remove those for now. I'm using Biotin toothpast, which I'm not crazy about. But it is only for this time too so I will go back to regular toothpaste after this is done and won't have to worry about it (fingers crossed).
kiwikid sorry this one is more difficult for you. I've noticied I am defintely more tired these days too. I'm almost three weeks out from #3. Hope you get some rest from work.
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If I may have a small pity party...I opened the oven door tonight without thinking to take out muffins (because I finally feel like eating) and singed the bangs of my wig. Now I have to take a half day off of school tomorrow to go to the wig store to see if they can do anything. I am feeling very dumb and very much like "Are you serious? Don't things suck enough?" I was hoping to work all week this week because I was off 3 days last week for tx#2. Next week, I have tx#3 and will miss a day. Fortunately, spring break is the following week so I won't be missing school. Kindergarteners don't like having their teacher gone a lot.
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Zorina ~ I find my tastebuds are much better on Taxol. I am back to enjoying a cup of coffee in the morning (really missed that!) and I even had a deeeeelicious glass of wine at dinner on Saturday. I'm pretty much abstaining from alcohol though because I want to be as kind to my hard working liver as I can. I am have NO GI symptoms either ~ although I am still taking the prilosec. So nice to not have an ouchy tongue!
I definitely felt easily winded after both AC #3 & 4. It is much better now. I think it may have been lowered red blood cells. My naturopath keeps reminding me that red blood cells are just less able to carry oxygen on AC chemo. I hope this gets better for you too!
LeeA ~ Thanks for the chuckle!
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Nicole~I'm at the end of day 4 of my first taxol. So far food tastes fine, but liquids aren't as good. My knees hurt a little, but its so much better than AC. I find that hot liquids like coffee & tea taste better than cold drinks.
Glad you're doing well.
Blessings
Paula -
skimommi - PFC = post final chemo (although your acronym is quite fitting as well!).
teacherjulief - I am so sorry that happened to you! I hope they can figure out a workaround at the wig store! I think I recall reading something similar happening to another poster here within the last week or so. Thank goodness you weren't hurt. Also, I am very touched by what you said about your kindergarteners (preferring their teacher not be absent). I can tell you are a very dedicated teacher!
I'm suddenly reminded of when I was a little kid (eons ago!). I used to have a hard time imagining my teachers having a "real life" outside of school. Perhaps it was part of the narcissism of being a little kid - I don't know. Anyway, the funny thing about that mindset was the fact that my own father was a schoolteacher! As I got older it hit me: my dad's a teacher and I'm part of his real life so why am I having such a hard time imagining my teacher having a real life?
kiwikid, hoping you feel better a.s.a.p.!
Nicole503, so happy to hear your tastebuds are back to being your own again (!) and on another note - I quoted your chemo valley observation (attributing it to you, of course) on the triple positive thread today.
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Dear January 2013 women and men(?),
Just a quick note of support from a January 2012 woman! This time last year the whole treatment process seemed never-ending. But just over 2 weeks ago I had my last Herceptin infusion at the chemo suite and then had my port removed a few days later.
I know exactly how you are going right now (crap) and the tears that fall in the middle of the night, or the middle of the day.
I know that you are wondering why the h--- you are doing this and if you are doing the right thing.
I know you are grateful for meals delivered and finding that some people cook things in ways you could never imagine (and sometimes in ways you never want to see again!).
I know you are being hurt by those that you thought you could count on, and are being surprised by those you thought you couldn't count on.
I just wanted to stop in and give you all a big hug...
Jenn -
Oh Jenn thank you for your post and reminding us there is light at the end of the tunnel - no matter how long that tunnel may be. Hugs back atcha! Congratulations on finishing!
Louise
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hope49 - There are shirts in my closet that I know I wore to chemo, and yes, I want to burn them! I am waiting till the end of chemo, and then I am going to clear out my wardrobe and send it to Goodwill. FWIW, I’d like to do some things around the house, too. We’ve been talking about reupholstering the couch for years, and since I’ve spent a lot of time on it lately, I really want to change it. You are not alone! I think part of it is the desire for a grand symbolic gesture that marks the end of this time and the beginning of a new and better time.
Byrona - I did have the electrocardiogram, and I got to see it on the screen. It was definitely strong and amazing to see. If I was having a racing heartbeat, I would be more nervous, I think. I go in on Thursday and will drill them with questions. I figure it can wait two days.
Soteria and Nicole – Hallelujah! My taste buds will improve. I am really enjoying my morning coffee right now, two weeks after the last A/C. I had a glass of white wine a week and a half after each treatment, and I swear my tongue felt better afterwards. I was just so sick of water and wanted something different, the perceived side effect was a bonus. We love a martini occasionally, but I am steering clear of those because of my liver. Good news on the GI issues Nicole, I know you had a lot of issues with that. I had none the first two TX, third was really bad and fourth was not as bad. Thursday is my first, and I am just nervous about an allergic reaction—or that I cannot tolerate the dose dense. If I can stay on dose dense, I will be done before my birthday, and that is a major goal for me.
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good morning ladies,
skimommi - that is exactly how i interpreted PFC
it is the only thing i could come up with for the F and couldn't think of anything more appropriate. I am also way more tired after #3. I know people say it gets better but i'm having a hard time imagining these treatments not being cumulative. Oh, and i got the taxotere hives again. Awesome. At least this time I started earlier with the steriods so only 25% of my body is covered. I am fascinated how these things spread....especially on my face. that is fun. Too bad my wig doesn't cover that as well.
teacherjulie - The lady at ACS said her wig had the exact same run-in with the oven. I think it is fairly common
Jennt28 - thank you for the words of encouragement. I cannot imagine this treatment being done (i am 1/2 way through)...but i know it will be behind me before i know it. It helps to hear from people on the other side
Happy Tuesday everyone!
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When I got my wig at the cancer center where I get treatment, they said, NEVER go near heat with it! The grill, oven, blow dryer, etc. be very careful. You could lose more than a wig.
Blessings
Paula -
My solution to not frying my wig is NOT TO WEAR IT!!! Still have a serious aversion to the damned thing...feels icky and i just don't want to wear it. Not my wig's fault, either. Its a very nice, very expensive wig. It's just not my friend. I suppose i'd wear it if a Customer came into work or if i had a wedding to go to or soemthing but right now...so not interested...ick.
Total agreement on the nesting-thing. I have century 4-square (big, square 4 storey house) and for some reason, my formal parlour crawled right up my ass last week and had to be scrapped. I decided i hated it. All the antique furniture got moved to other parts of the house and the parlour got a 21st century makeover. Red squishy furniture, a ridiculously expensive coffee table, new area rug and new lamps. Its a brand new room and the whole family has been enjoying hanging out in our re-purposed parlour- a place no one ever hung out in before. I think its pretty common that we want to mix things up and make our lives more functional and user-friendly- carpe diem and all that...wtf...we deserve it!
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Skkimommi, you can do it! Doesn’t everyone say #3 is worse than #4? Hold on to that. You’ll be in my thoughts and prayers. Love you, sister. LOL about hating pink. I hear ya. Though, I’m surprised you don’t hate red, too! How about tickled Rose, like the wine? I was too lazy to find the international keyboard for that little inflection thingy.
Bryona, come visit my cabana any time. I’ve been crazy about that Dwayne Johnson ever since my eyes first saw him.
Smethot, my hair pretty much fell out the same way. I thought I’d be completely bald based on my experience with chemo for Hodgkin’s years ago. So, I had my husband buzz me. I’m concerned about my brows, too. They were already somewhat sparse before I started the chemo. I had my MO write a ‘script for Latisse. I started using it for maybe ten days or so right at the beginning. Then, I stopped because I just didn’t give a damn anymore. I was too fatigued and wiped out to bother. I used one little brush to swipe across the lash line and because it was still wet, I’d swipe it across my brows. I’ll probably go back to using it maybe two or three weeks after my last chemo treatment. I’m crossing my fingers that they’ll grow back in thicker. I’d love to have more brow hairs. My nether hairs seemed like they wanted to fall out, so I shaved that area preemptively and have stubble now. For those who don’t like TMI, I find it hard to pee straight without at least some hair. I warned you. I agree about the bummer keeping toe hair instead of head hair. Where’s the justice? Indeed! NO SKULKING AROUND HERE MOTHER F***ERS!!!
Skigirl, good luck with AC #4. Is that the end of AC for you?
YWheels, I can’t speak for AC because I must be the weenie of the bunch. I’m getting taxotere and cytoxan which I hear is easier on the body than AC and I’m getting 60mg/m2 instead of the standard 75mg/m2 that most others are probably getting, but YOU CAN DO THIS. Don’t freak out. Your compadres have made it through, so can you.
Jubby, hope you enjoyed that meal at that swanky restaurant. I can’t wait for the day when I can do that again. I can’t wait. Skinny as I am, I love, love, love food. Coming out of the tunnel is a great way to see it. By now, most of us January girls must be coming out instead of going in.
Zorina, LOL about the red drinks! I’m not much of a drinker, but when I do drink I occasionally drink red drinks. I’m not getting AC, but I wonder if out of empathy for my AC sisters if I’ll think about that the next time I see a red drink. I think if I had to choose between taste buds and hair, I might have to chose taste buds, too. Also, Zorina, ask the MO what your liver enzymes have been like. Some can get elevated by chemo and I’ve read that glutamine Is not good in the presence of elevated liver enzymes, like AST and ALT.
LeeA, hysterical pug picture! When my ex-husband and I moved into a newly built town house in Chicago, we had this pretty long punch list of items. The builder sent over a young, pretty good looking dude to repair the items. He was at our house almost daily. While he was there, he’d volunteer to do chores for me. He’d see me coming home with groceries and rush to take them from me. He’d see me taking out the garbage and rush to do it for me. I started thinking of him as my cabana boy. It was great while it lasted.
Hope49, I think that’s actually kind of common to start hating anything associated with this time in our lives. I went through this with the chemo for Hodgkin’s back in ’87 and ’88. We had to redo our bedroom because I couldn’t stand going in there anymore. I’ve already told my husband to expect that to happen to our bedroom sometime in the very near future. I haven’t really felt that way about clothes. I’ve been using biotene toothpaste, which I don’t think I’ll use when I’m done.
Bryona, oh that’s bad with the friend. I hope she stops making you feel sick. Love the guy with the three followers!
TeacherJulie, sorry about the wig bangs, but you have to admit that it’s actually funny.
Jenn, Thanks. I'm so glad to know you're a success story like the rest of us here are going to be!
So, I had an appointment scheduled with the radiology oncologist yesterday and before I went, I was doing some research on what areas would be radiated, what type of radiation, etc. I was getting my panties in a bunch over the thought of having to have my internal mammary nodes radiated since they’re usually close to the sternum. Some research seems to indicate that radiating the IM nodes doesn’t affect survival or recurrence rates. However, it appears that it is necessary to radiate the supraclavicular nodes, or the nodes located above the collar bone along with the axillary nodes and the chest wall. I’ve had radiation to the chest for Hodgkin’s. My whole chest was radiated for a week. Then the doctors put selenium blocks on a plate between me and the machine to block the radiation from hitting most of my breasts. I was very concerned about how much, if any, radiation I can get and very nervous that a treatment modality might be off the table for me. I sure would hate to go through the hell this chemo has been to end up with my risk of recurrence that much higher or my chance of survival that much lower because I can’t get treated the same way other women get treated. It sounds like I’ll be able to get treated. I’d rather not, but I’m glad that I can be.
So, Skigirl, I see that you had reconstruction with the TRAM procedure. The RO told me how important it was for me to still do monthly exams, especially of the chest wall because that’s the most likely place for a tumor to recur. Is the TRAM flap over or under your chest wall? Did any of your doctors talk to you about how to perform the self-exams on the reconstruction? If the TRAM is over the chest wall, will you be able to feel through the TRAM down to the chest wall? I’m not sure first of all if I am a candidate for reconstruction because I’m high risk for surgery with this lousy lung capacity. My goal is to get the contralateral mastectomy before I end up with breast CA in the left one. My risk is double the risk of the general population because of the prior radiation. I can’t imagine being able to make it through chemo again. The PS doesn’t seem impressed with the ability to use my own body for reconstruction because I’m so darn skinny. She also wasn’t too thrilled about using implants for aesthetic reasons. Again because my chest wall appears to be so thin that the implant would look really unnatural. I guess I’d rather have whatever they are able to do be under the chest wall so I can feel the damn thing. Though, truth be told I never want to feel my breasts again for fear I’ll feel another lump. I think I’d go off the deep end and have to be institutionalized.
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It's been great to keep up with all of you the past few days. I had AC#3 last Thursday and I agree with Nicole and Bryona that no new SEs appeared, just the ones I usually have - more pronounced, but manageable. I'm more fatigued this time around - rest helps if I hit the couch right away. My lack of appetite is remarkable - one of the few times in my life that I'm not interested in food! Yikes! Once food is in my mouth it tastes ok (just ok) - it's just an effort to put it there
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skimommi - A friend recommended eating a very high protein breakfast before going to the bar. I have a couple of scrambled eggs with cheddar sometimes with cottage cheese on the side as well - sounds weird, but it holds me for a quite a while.
I feel now a little like I did when I was getting used to a seizure medication years ago when I had no appetite and had to figure out day by day what to eat. For about a week during that time I ate only Granny Smith apples and Chinese dumplings. So good to hear that taste issues resolve after AC. What about Taxol?
Thoughts and prayers to skimommi, ywheels, Jubby, and Shannon, and anyone else headed to the bar this week. And Jubby, enjoy your dips in the ocean - mmmm ... nice warm sand, too.
Bryona, Sounds like you have a dear friend who will do anything for you if it's best for you and your friendship. Otherwise, how could you have felt free to ask for what you need? Love the post - made me chuckle - same same with puggy, Lee! A friend of my daughter sent me Power Babo of the Ugly Doll clan. I'll have to post a photo of him sometime.
Zorina, tastebuds/hair; tastebuds/hair - hmmmmmm .... lol
The research nurse for the clinical trial I'm in asked me last week if I feel ready to see the RO. I don't start rads until mid- July. Feeling ambivalent , guess I'm ok with it - but trying to do this one step at a time. Appt. is this Thursday before lab work. Hope I don't feel overwhelmed.
I think about all of you a lot - Hugs and prayers for all - we're doing it!!! Martha
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Oliverhog- My procedure is over the chest wall. They took the fat and skin from my belly. He said I had barely enough to use. If I had come in just for a tummy tuck he would have turned me away. He looked at my lats and my gluts and my inner thighs. Those are all spots they can take it from too. My BS removed all breast material and left only the skin. So, my left is basically a mound of belly fat and skin. There had been no talk of self exams on the reconstruction yet. I have zero sensation in that breast and I am pretty sure that will never change. I am glad I chose this path, but, It is a very hard surgery. I have a scar from hip to hip that was the big source of my pain. Knowing all of your medical issues, I would steer you towards implants. And you are thin. I would have a hard time believing you would have enough skin/fat to use for a breast mound. I wanted to stay the same size too. He had barely enough to keep me a C cup. I would have chose implants if I was going to be smaller. Just a personal choice. Lots to think about....
AC#4 is friday... I am beyond ready to kick that red devil to the curb...
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Hidee ho, ladies! I just got my first bill from the hospital for chemo, and I have to share it with you. It has exactly ONE thing on it. Wanna know what that one thing is?
Misc. $47,995.90
I just called them and asked if they could please send an itemized version...
kiwikid, that's your last round, right? I want to do a little happy dance for you, but I don't want it to be premature. I hope you're feeling better.
julesdenver, taxotere hives? Poor baby! I hope those clear up quickly.
smethot, wanna come redecorate my house next? I'd love it! I wish I had the budget for that, but I think this is a case of "the bank account is weak, but the spirit is willing"...
Oliverhog, I'm glad you're going to be able to get rads, even though I wish you didn't have to. And I know what you mean about going off the deep end if this happens again. I think the worst thing anyone has said to me recently is, "My mother is a two-time survivor!" She meant to be supportive, but the thought of having to do this again had me in tears.
Martha, about that RO appointment: I saw my RO in January (which I thought was weird given that rads were so far off), and it was just a normal exam and a few minutes of talking about how many rounds and what position I'd be in during treatment. Pretty basic stuff.
ywheels, Jubby, good luck tomorrow! I hope your bartender looks more like this:
and less like this:
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So excited for all of you that are done with AC. Congrats to you all. Thursday will be #3 of 6 TCH for me so I will take 1/2 way and run with it. I agree, I do not want there to be a reoccurence for any of us. That would completely suck and it would break my heart. We have all fought so hard to get to where we are and this isn't fair as it is. A reoccurence would just be a slap in the face on top of it. I'm hoping that rads are as easy as everyone says they are. The RO says about 5 minutes once we get past the first couple so 5 minutes compared to 5 hours, woo hoo, sign me up.
Jenn - I saw on your profile next to radiation it says quit. Why did you quit? Congrats on being done with it all and being cancer free. We are all gonna meet you there in a year.
I'm watching American Idol and I'm thinking that Keith Urban needs to be a cabana boy.
Good luck to everyone heading to the bar this week and everyone that has been and is in recovery, I wish you the best. Minimal SE's to all and a wonderful week. We are supposed to get 8 inches of snow tonight and then this weekend it is supposed to be in the 60's. WTF!
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Oliverhog,
I about bust a gut laughing at you be unable to pee straight without hair. I gotta tell you I have never been able to pee straight with hair, without hair, etc. I have always been envious of men for that reason. When I have to give a urine specimen I feel like I am chasing the pee around the toilet with the little cup. CUP WTF give me a quart bowl and I have a better chance of catching some.
Hugs, Sheryl
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I'm going to catch up on posts, but I have a quick question.
When your hair was falling out,or even after, did you get sores on your scalp, like small pimples? My scalp's so irritated and not sure if I'm doing something wrong. -
Hi all,
Wishing everyone headed to the bar this week and boring trip with mimimal complaints.
Hugs, Sheryl
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Hehehehehe @ oliverhog and sherylb, I thought I was the only one that had that pee in the cup problem. I always get more pee on my hands then the cup.
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Mandy~Others who've had the little pimples were told it is folliculitis. Inflammation of the hair follicle. One home remedy is olive oil and baking soda.
Blessings
Paula -
SherylB and Macyhen111, I'm glad I made you laugh.
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The pee thing is great! How could we get such a kick out of such a thing? Leave it to us. Who ever came up with those thimbles and wanted women to pee in them had a great sense of humor . . . or held a grudge towards women - not sure which.
Mandy I got those red spots after #2. I had just started re-using conditioner before it happened, so I'm not sure if it was the conditioner or just another SE, but I haven't used condition since. The MO said to use very mild shampoo, like baby shampoo, and maybe diaper rash cream. I didn't do any of that and they did go away. If it happens again I will definetly be using the olive oil and baking soda.
Bryona, that is just awful that you are beginning to have the association of chemo and your friend. I never thought about that happening.
Oliverhog I would absolutely be willing to donate some tummy tissue for your use. LOL Or thigh or butt. By the way, how is the sleeping going these days?
Gee Skigirl, we get that you are a hot mama, but do you need to rub it in that you also have great abs?!
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LOL @ Oliverhog...
I had no idea pubic hair had straight-edge properties!
And I hate trying to go in those cups and hate even more turning it over to someone else. Oh, and I'm not much for writing on the jar either.
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