has anyone had the muscle taken from the arm pit.

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whisper_fare
whisper_fare Member Posts: 3

New here. Just got home today from masectomy and node dissection. My doctor ended up having to remove muscle and fat from the arm pit. My nodes were very involved. I will find out friday how many were cancer. Most of my pain now is comming from the under arm with pain shooting down to my elbow. I was also told some of the nerve was removed also that is why it hurts so much. Has any one else ended up with empty space under the arm. I have aggressive stage 3 with a grade3 Thank you

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  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited February 2013

    Hi, Whisper fare.  Sorry you're here, but you're with strong and supportive women!

    I had a complete axillary dissection and they took a boatload of nodes.  It was pretty painful under my arm for a while, and then later, when I was on chemo, I was convinced the cancer was back, big time, because I had aches, burning, and shooting pains under my arm and down into my arm for months.

    It's just the nerves growing back, so don't worry if this happens to you.  And no, I can't tell that there's anything missing under one arm.  It still looks like an armpit!

    Blessings and have a healthy recovery!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    Whisper, I did not have muscle taken, but did have a bunch of nodes out. I would strongly urge you to ask to be seen by a PT who specializes in mastectomies. Mine was a complete godsend and I credit her with having saved me a lot of pain and problems.

    That said, the nerve business is unpleasant. I am about 18 months out and it finally feels OK the vast majority of the time. My PT gives me a lymph-draining massage when I see her, and I remember complaining to her about numbness in my back and upper arm. She put her finger right on it and asked "here?" I was stunned and asked how she knew the exact spot, and she said it happens to virtually all patients in the exact same spots, because of the specific nerves that get cut during the surgery. My nerve damage has, however, recovered quite a lot. 

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited March 2013

    My underarm area is hollow. I know they removed the axillary tail and assumed this was just fat.  I'm sorry you had to have more than this taken out and that you are having pain. My area is just numb and still is, so no pain. I do have lymphedema though...

  • hopefour
    hopefour Member Posts: 459
    edited February 2013

    I don't have much to add to what the woman here have already said, but wanted to welcome you!! I too had shooting pain under my arm and was told it was the nerves healing themselves. Most of the numbness has healed..I am a year out from end of treatment!! The path report on Friday can be a very hard day..stay strong in hope and come here for support if you need!!

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited March 2013

    Hi Whisper - you will notice I am the same stage as you - there are quite a few of us here. I had a lumpectomy and 15 nodes removed, some with lots of cancer. Though I don't know for sure about any muscle removal, last time I had a mammogram the technician comment on the muscle being different on that side. So it is a possibility. I hope someone will be along soon with more information. Hope you son begin to feel better.

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited March 2013

    Hi whisper, sorry you're here with us.  I didn't have the muscle removed but I know of a lady who had her chest muscle removed.  They made her some type of sheild (for lack of a better word) to protect her ribs so, even though not common...it is possible.  I agree with what others have said, the nerve pain is terrible and will have you wondering "is it back".  I had 16 LN's removed and will be 3 yrs in July, I still have burning and shooting pains.  Best wishes with the rest of your tx and I hope you find the support and info you'll need here with us.

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited March 2013

    Whisper, I had some pectoralis muscle removed and an axillary node dissection.  A person can tell looking at me nude (I am flat) that my left pectorais is a little smaller.  My left armpit doesn't look empty.  If anything, it looks fuller because the structures that held it and gave it that concave shape when my arm was raised are damaged or gone.  But I can't imagine who would notice that because I would have to have no sleeves on and my arms above my head.  I don't find it to be something I worry about.

    Like others have said, the nerve damage in the axilla simply sucks.  My pain has improved with time.

  • elmrush
    elmrush Member Posts: 17
    edited March 2013

    To Whisper Fare

    I also had muscle and nerves removed during my mastectomy.  I had 12 nodes removed.  I had a great deal of pain the first two weeks but it is mostly numbness now.  I was really  limited with my range of movement at first but was determined that I would not let that be long term.  I have been stretching and raising my arm frequently and have found that it has gotten better each day. Not sure if it is just healing or if the stretching is helping or if it is a combination.  I can not feel my arm pit at all and it feels really weird to put on deodorant or shave.  I hope that goes away. I hope your pain passes soon and that your results are good.  The waiting can be the worst.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2013

    Elm, the stretching does help, and you will eventually get some feeling back in the armpit. Not 100%, but enough that you can feel the spray of a deoderant, for example. As for the shaving, I was told that was a no-no after having nodes out (risk of infection). I use veet, which is a pain (and stinks).

  • elmrush
    elmrush Member Posts: 17
    edited March 2013

    Momine

    Thanks for sharing that info.  I have not been told not to shave but then again they did not tell me that I should not  have blood pressure taken in that arm either.  I quickly learned how painful it is to have your bp taken the first doctor visit.  Anything else I should know??

  • lostinmo
    lostinmo Member Posts: 922
    edited March 2013

    whisper-mine seems to be more sunken in than I expected, but I didn't have muscle removed (I don't think). I did have the pain down to the elbow but with the stretching exercises it has gone away. I am still numb from the elbow to the armpit which is really weird when you feel an itch. 

    elm-the stretching does help, it takes time though I am still working on getting my range of motion back. Make sure no one draws blood from your arm. I was told no blood pressure, needle sticks or tight bands of any kind. 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2013

    Elm, ack! That is really irresponsible of your surgeon not to give you a basic list. Check in with the ladies on the lymphedema forum here. They are wonderful and know so much. 

    In brief, however, no BP, no blood draws, no shaving, nothing tight. Daily stretching. No heavy lifting, especially not sudden jerks with weight, like shaking out rugs for example. They used to ttell people not to exercise either, but that has been debunked. However, you need to go slow, work up to things gradually and many of us wear a sleeve and gauntlet when doing weights, for example. I would strongly recommend getting a consult with a PT who specializes in mastectomy patients. It is well worth it.

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