Employment Questions
By means of introduction, I'm Charles Pelkey. I was diagnosed July 27 of 2011, precisely the day I was let go from an editor's job I'd had at a magazine for 17 years.
Fortunately, over three of those years, I managed to earn a law degree, so I was able to play hardball when it came to severance and, more importantly, insurance and I had a fallback when the #$%^ hit the fan.
Anyway, my story aside, I am curious if anyone else out there suffered a major hit on the job front after your diagnosis.
Yes, I am a lawyer, but I am asking this mainly out of curiousity. I may eventually write an article about cancer patients' legal options, but at this point, I am mostly wondering what others went through.
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Yup. I was laid off from my job almost 6 months after my diagnosis. I had missed less than a week total through surgery and treatment and worked from home on those days. It was a complete shock to me and my co-workers.
I was the first person to ever have been laid off at the small (50 employee) company in the multisport industry and definitely believe that their uneasiness with my diagnosis was a consideration. I did consult an attorney but decided that the stress of legal action would do me more harm than good.
I am now working part-time and coaching a few athletes. Way less stressful and probably better for me in the long run.
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Quite the opposite actually. My employer has been and continues to be fabulous. They were very accomodating to me during treatment. Although I worked nearly every day, I always knew that I could take the time off (paid) if I needed to. Working for me was a very necessary distraction. For me, it was very doable although others do not have the same experience.
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kestrelgurl, that's an interesting coincidence, in that the 17-year job I lost was with a cycling magazine. They say it didn't have anything to do with me, or my diagnosis. And in support of that claim, they did let another editor - with 40 years' experience - go that same day. Odd that we worked in the "fitness" industry, only to be let go when we weren't at peak fitness. Send me a Personal Message, if you want. I am curious about who your employer might have been.
I have to agree mardibra. I certainly do not want to portray all employers as the bad guys. I do want to hear about experiences that cover the full spectrum, from good to bad and everything in between. -
Perhaps not exactly what you are looking for, but my small law firm does not provide insurance. Six months before the symptoms of my ovarian cancer arose my boss cut my hours to part time & I could no longer afford my private insurance and was forced to drop it. I became extremely ill & put off care until I no longer could. Spent a week in one hospital where even with a major bill write-down I had to repay thousands out-of-pocket. Was transferred into a program with our major county hospital system for my surgery & follow-up. They are also now following & treating me for LCIS. I am constantly afraid that I may make a few dollars too much any year & lose my eligibility for this program.
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Thanks for starting this thread. I was also let go because of cancer and subsequent problems. When dx'd, i took a year off, unpaid except for what pto (about 10 months worth) I had accumulated. My boss was very understanding (another survivor), but then she accepted another position in another state. As my year leave was approaching to a close, I was released to return to work with some limitations. I was told they could not accommodate the restrictions (fewer hours, less lifting) for a short time, and was terminated. Completely blindsided me. I did speak to a lawyer and said that I did have a case, but to also file with EEOC. Did hear from EEOC and they are will pursue a disability discrimination suit against them. Had been a 12 year employee with this healthcare company and had been considered a very good employee. We'll see where it goes.
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You need to go for the lawsuit, for sure. I'll be cheering for you.
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My position was moved to another state effective March 1. During the two week transition period that I was asked to stay for, annual bonus was awarded and the final swing was the lowest performance rating possible. My diagnosis was 8/2011 and I worked all through chemo, did not miss any days other than treatment days. I had a tough time in Radiation and was off 4 weeks. In the interim, they doubled my workload and I was symptomatic of new issues from before I started Rads. Drs kept looking for stage IV, but finally we confirmed it was gallbladder 10 months later. Many positions from my company have moved to Dallas and I was ready for that and thankful to have hair and a return to better health. I was shocked that they could backhand with performance stuff without ever having a conversation.
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I have a question and not sure if it fits in this catagory.
I had a wonderful job with a cable company who worked great with me through my surgery and treatment. I had chemo and went to work, only missing 1 day when my white blood cells dropped too low, and took my radiation on my lunch breaks. Unfortunately we moved and I had to leave my job.
I have been looking for work at my new location and found a good one with the county government. Unfortunately I was let go at the end of my probation period for basically not catching on fast enough. I suffer from memory issues now and just am not as fast as what I was prior to treatment. So I am currently unemployed with no health insurance. At this point I do not know what I am going to do..... I even think it is too late to apply for disability.
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It's never too late. It may be an uphill battle documenting that you can't work but it costs nothing to try. What about unemployment while you figure out what to do?
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I was getting unemployment but was denied extension because I tried another job that last for 3 days but couldnt do the physical lifting due to LE in left arm so was penalized for "quitting". I appealed but havent heard anything back yet. Thank you for responding.
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I'm so nervous at my job. I took 6 weeks STD after my mastectomy. I had planned on coming back in 3 weeks but had problems with recovery. I was paid 100% STD.. I get 24 weeks a year in Short Term Disability.... 12 weeks at 100% pay and the other 14 weeks at 60%. great right??! I'm scare because they are supportive but I'm starting to feel like they are plotting.
I'm now doing chemo and I still have sick time and PTO time. I've been here over 16 yrs and have a lot of leave. So I planned my chemo treatments on Thursday mornings, come in and take Fridays off using my leave. My boss went into HR and asked about me going on on STD until my chemo is over. I have 6 months CMF treatments and they are every 3 weeks. My side effects have so far been doable.. I never asked her to go into HR for me.. Why??? it just seems like a setup
My accounts were left for me, not really touched, so when I got back to work in Jan it was madness. I worked late and is 85% made up but of course my boss questions why it's not up to my November numbers??!!! I'm shocked?? I'm the supervisor of the dept and I am now hearing "Well your numbers are the worse.. don't look good" I have the biggest accounts to work on and although I get the "Please don't wear yourself out, you're work is here" I asked to work from home like before and that's not available anymore. I think they want to lay me off.. The last time I had chemo I was at work and the first day I feel nothing.. But my boss came over to me and insisted that I go home..She didin't want me being sick at work.. I was dumbfounded. I told her I was fine and that I was taking the next day (Friday) off.. She insist i leave early.. I ended up staying until 4:40... I left 20 mnutes early... I thought it was out of concern but the fact that she went to HR saying I was sick, leaves me to believe elsewise.. I get over a month and a half PTO plus sick time.. I have about 5 left to use before our fiscal year ends later this month.. I don't understand why she is overreacting
Next month I'm back to my 32 days.. and with me using 1 every 3 weeks until the end of July I'll stil have a bunch left.. I'm sooo scared..
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I was fired for 2 jobs because of my cancer. The first time I filed an ADA complaint - and lost. Basically they settled with me but I was told that since I had no witnesses or recordings, I couldn't prove it was because of the cancer.
The second time my boss sat me down, alone in my office of course, and said he had to watch his 2 parents die of cancer and he just couldn't go through that again. Awwww. Poor SOB. That time I didn't file a complaint because, once again, no witnesses or recordings.
The ADA "protections" are a joke.
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Capriness,
OMG your last boss sounds like what my boss is setting me up for. I can't believe that guy said "HE CAN'T GO THROUGH IT"...wow!!!!! Well my boss is ultra supportive, sad eyes when she looks at me... She comes over often and ask if I'm okay. There's nothing wrong with me!!!. The last time I had chemo was 2/14 & it's doable. I'm nauseous a few days, take the anti nausea pills and I'm ok.. That's the worse side effect and I stay on top of it.. Why is she making me out to be so sick?? I spoke with HR and told them I'm fine, but she's making it sound as if I'm trying to be brave and I'm really suffering. So now everyone is walking on eggshells around me...I am glad I made sure to tell HR my side of this and when I go back to the Onco I will get something from the office explaining CMF chemo..It's considered CHEMO light...
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Capriness, sorry to hear that. Wow, good thing he didn't have to go through that again! Really? I have just heard from the EEOC attorney yesterday and he has set up a tentative meeting with my former employer and myself for next week. I guess even if I lose, I at least made some trouble for them. At least every at attorney that I have spoken with (friends of family, etc) all tell me that I do need to pursue it. Guess we will see what happens. Hopefully you have found new employment? This is all so wrong!
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Mr. Pelkey! First of all, how are you feeling? Second, really you had the energy to pursue a law degree during treatment ... you're my hero. Such a story I have to tell you. I am a nearly 20 year employee with my company and a 30 year veteran of the banking business. In August of this year I will turn 58. My bc diagnosis and treatment information is listed in my signature below. This is my first post to any thread on this site, but what a worthwhile subject.
So many of us older survivors are suffering the effects of the downturn in the economy, company cutbacks and the inability to secure decent employment at 55+. Since diagnosis, I have received the worst annual evaluation of my career, been threatened with pay reductions and am a constant victim of a thinly-veiled hostile work environment. Though I am somewhat nearsighted - I am having no trouble reading the writing on the wall with regard to my employer's intentions for my future with our company.
To date, I have contacted an attorney who I guess thought I was small potatoes - charged me $400. for an hour consult - then said banks are notoriously bad employers in these cases. No offer of guidance or opinion on the nature of complaint. I have since filed an EEOC Intake Form and have asked for a conference before investigation or filing of charges.
I live in a small town in Colorado and there is not a single plaintiff's attorney in town. Will have to go to Denver for any representation. I'm sad that a 20-year career is going to end this way, and scared that at 58 no one would trade experience and treachery for youth and enthusiam...LOL. I worked all the way through chemo and radiation and some days came to work when I should have stayed in bed. So much for company loyalty and a commitment to service.
What is going to be your focus in the practice? Employment Law? Any suggestions for me? Thanks so much for starting this thread!
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I made the big mistake of telling HR about my diagnosis. I figured I should let them know "in case" radiation made me sick and I couldn't work up to capacity or needed extra time off. Our HR person is bugging me constantly to file FMLA paperwork when I clearly don't need to and don't want to at this point. She initially told me to have the doctor fill it out "to have on file in case" and then I got an e-mail from her asking me where it was because I only have "15 days from date of initial intent to file" to return the paperwork!
I sent her a strongly worded e-mail to remind her that I was NOT YET filing for FMLA, even intermittently as I don't know if I will need it. I planned to take rads at the end of the day and use my lunch hour, leaving one hour early, not PTO unless absolutely necessary! Why in the world is she bugging me for this paperwork when I don't wish to file for intermitten or ANY FMLA at this time. It really got me thinking...and worrying...are they trying to find a way to oust me. I have been here 8 years and it is a non-profit and they are always crying poverty. I am costing them in insurance for sure, but since I am 57, I would likely be more expensive to insure anyway I would think.
I am getting my ducks in a row now, just in case...
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I was let go from my job of 14 years yesterday. It was part of a bigger company reorganization which including offering early retirement to those that were elgible. I do get severance and my insurance will be covered over that time frame. I knew that it was going to be me. Most of my work had been taken away from me. I am actually very glad it happened. The stress was unbelievable. I finished radiation at the end of January. I am starting the Livestrong program at the Y on Friday. I am going to use this time to get my life back.
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I am so grateful to have the job I do, especially after hearing all these stories! My employer and coworkers have been so supportive through all this. I live alone and they would bring me food, give me rides, etc when I needed it after my BMX. They even all offered to donate their sick time to me. Fortunately, two guys moved on to bigger agencies during that time and gave me their accrued sick time.
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I too am very lucky in my work. I have a ton of accrued sick time, (months) and needed to use only a little of it. I took a couple of days for my LX and was able to work through radiation. My schedule is flexible so I can arrange time off when I need it for appointments. I was fortunate not to need chemo. I've also been able to arrange things so that my LE related lifting restrictions are not a problem.
On the other hand, I have a co-worker who was dx'd 9 months after me who may well end up losing her job. She (in spite of being here for many more years than I) had only a few weeks of leave when she got sick. She's been on FMLA and just about has it exhaused. The administration will most likely not extend it. They think, with some justice, that she has abused the system. And I'm afraid the compare her unfavorably to me and a couple others in our organization who were able to keep things together. I feel very sorry for her, I understand how hard it is to come back to work when you are feeling battered by the big C, (and most of her problems are "coping" rather than physical issues) I've been advocating for her where I can, but...
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I was just fired from my job a couple of days ago due to too many absences since my return to work after treatment (8 day out of 12 month period). I was off on std and ltd for 13 months after my April 2011 diagnosis. Will be contacting a lawyer not just for the termination but also for the hostile work environment and hostility from my director ( I am an operating rm nurse). The director I had during diagnosis and treatment was very understanding and helpful, unfortunately she took another job right before I came back.
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I really appreciate all of you sharing your experiences. I am struck by how many of us have suffered job loss in addition to having to go through all of trials and tribulations of breast cancer.
In one of my earlier jobs, I worked as a press secretary for a U.S. Senator. He and I were of different parties, but he said he didn't mind, adding that the characteristic he valued most in staff was loyalty, adding "and I believe it's a two-way street."
Unfortunately, not all employers view their employees in that way. I worked for the same magazine for 17 years and considered myself to be a loyal employee, often working ridiculous hours to make sure we got issues out the door and coverage on to the web.
Sadly, when I needed the help and support of my company, it had been sold to a venture capital company, which really didn't give a rat's a$$ about anything but the bottom line. And no, my illness didn't really impact my ability to do my job. In my case, "the bottom line" came into play because I was an experienced editor and making much, much more than the twenty-something they hired to replace me.
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Thank you Charles for starting this thread. Reading through all the posts, many going through the pains of job loss, job anxiety, etc. I empathize with you and cheer you on to "know when to hold em and know when to fold em". I am choosing to fold em and here is why.
I had 2 surgeries non-BC related, broke my ankle in 2012 and took FMLA when needed. Then dx with BC in 1/13 with no other major health issues.
Have had good performance reviews from employer (over 4 years) and great feed back from peers/other sups. My 3/13 perf review was lowest rating possible (backhanded without discussing with me).
I am choosing to disagree with the review though I still have to sign it. Disputing the review will involve many more steps and do not have the mental/physical energy to do the dispute. My work hours are 4-10's but I often work 12-14 hours per day to meet deadlines. Many times I have put in close to 80 hours per week, no overtime pay. This of course, has affected my health.
I am 58 and see handwriting on the wall. So I am looking for work elsewhere. The nursing job market is more difficult, there is not a nursing shortage. I am planning on self-terminating by 6/1/13. Although I could hang on til year 5 to get vested, the hostile environment will not end. By 6/13, my treatments will be done and need f/u in 6 months.
I am sad I did not do this from the beginning, document every conversation/ interaction/email, etc with any supervisor/manager/director/HR. Keep copies of emails, texts, etc. It may be useful for you when you need to have written evidence.
An interesting side note, the hostile work environment has led to 3 peers quitting in the last 2 weeks. HR/managers/directors have been informed of the hostile work environment but they do not get involved. So the department continues with no oversight. The brown-nosers are getting promoted and praised. A co-worker (dx BC about 2 yrs ago) and a former supervisor, has been encouraged to quit but she hangs on.
Every company has its share of poor management and slacker peers. At minimum, I need a work environment where I can do my work, feel good about the work I do and of course pay my bills. I am no longer willing to sacrifice my health, for anything!!
I wish you all the best in your decisions.
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Never had a problem, instead I started a new career after my diagnosis, there is no reason to disclose ones health issues when looking for a job.
Even that I work in a cancer center, very few know I am a survivor, my personal life and professional are very separated from each other.
For more information one can go on line to Cancer and Careers. Excellent site.
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dreaming.. thanks for the info. Wish I had read the information before opening my big mouth to my sup. Next time I will know and be much the wiser...day late and a dollar short.
arrgghh
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I really need some advice on this. Last year i was out of work approximately 5 weeks for my bi-lateral mastectomy. Thankfully i did not need any rad or chemo. I returned to work and resumed my responsibilities. Just recently i met with my boss to ask for a raise as I had assumed additional responsibilities and workload. She gave me a number of reasons why not, but ended with "you were out a lot last year i couldnt possibly ask for a raise for you because of that" I couldnt believe she had said that. Some background..this is a huge healthcare company, i have always gotten stellar reviews, including my recent one and someone else in my area who was out on maternity 3x as long as me was promoted and given a big raise. I am in a quandry of what to do. I wrote her a letter and expressed how i felt and she responded with "she didnt intend to say that etc. But im still reeling from this. Any ideas?
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Charles, thanks for starting this thread. Talk about adding insult to injury, we go through our bc battle, then hostile work environments! While I was going through surgery and radiation, the owners of the small company I work for were great. I only missed 3 days for my lumpectomy and 1 day after the whole radiaton gig. Drs appts, I skipped lunch or stayed late....and all of my work was being done. It was a struggle at times with the radiaton fog brain I was experiencing at times. Then the $^@* hit the fan last week, one of the owners said that he had a conversation with me about instructions for a client, I told him calmly that we did not have a "conversation". He began badgering me more, I told him that maybe he spoke with another coworker....he left and came back saying no, it was me and for me to "really rack" my brain....maybe you have some brain cells that are not dead" I was shocked, in my mind I felt like saying that my breast was radiated, not my brain! Come to find out, he had the so called conversation with my supervisor. I told her what happened and she said that he attacked her as well. Then this morning I get called into his office, he told me that I had to get my flight plans changed for my July trip to go see my son in Seattle. You can't be gone long.....why do you want to go out there at this particular time he kept asking me. So I am getting my ducks in a row for sure. Paying for COBRA will be expensive but it isn't worth staying at this crappy place! I survived bc, I will not die of stress!
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Great thread! Even though it has only been 2 1/2 years, it still stings when I think about how I was treated at my job.
I worked at a small pediatric outpatient clinic as a speech therapist. They had a total of 12 employees in the therapy division and 110 in the adult/home behavioral unit ( patient load was primarily children/adults with autism). They were technically seperate companies. I had been there 9 months when I was diagnosed. I was upfront with them from the beginning.. My fellow therapists were amazing and helped me in every way. The managers....not so much. I minimized time off in the beginning for tests by scheduling them before work hours. I took only 3 days off after surgery. When I returned a had a doctors note explaining light duty. I spoke with them about taking some of the more active kiddos off my caseload for a few weeks. I had a tough caseload, many of my patients had severe behaviors like hitting. They didn't do it. I got punched in the chest on day two. I went to them again and had a more specific doctors note. They informed me that there was no such thing as light duty in the clinic and since they had under 15 employees they were exempt from many of the ADA rules. My jaw dropped. They looked that up? I knew I was in deep trouble after that point. I needed a job, I was in the middle of a divorce. I sucked it up and went back to work. Two weeks later my final pathology was ready and chemo was definitely happening. I went to them again and tried to work out a work schedule around chemo. They said, " we are worried we will lose clients when you start to look sick". I tried to keep it professional and held back the tears while I said that I would do my very best to not let my illness interfere. The hand writing was on the wall and in the next few weeks their behavior got worse. I realized they were setting me up to fire me, but to make it look like it was because of my work not illness. After speaking with the cancer center social worker about my rights, I gave my 2 weeks notice. She informed me that yes I could fight it, but at this point in my illness i needed to save my energy. I hated that they could do this to me when I was to sick to even fight for myself. I sent my résumé out and landed a job at another facility. I interviewed for 2 positions. I was honest at both. I didn't want to lie to them or get myself into the same situation. The company that hired me had 2 other therapists that went through BC so they did not even blink. I worked 35 hours a week most of the time and shortened my schedule to 27 during chemo weeks. Everyone knew I had cancer and the kids loved touching my head and watching my hair grow back. Work was my escape, and it kept me sane during that time.
The place that forced me out? 3 of the other therapists left within 3 months of me leaving ( they were disgusted with how I was treated). Many of the families I worked with left as well ( ha about them leaving because I was sick), because they were upset I was not there. The clinic closed it's doors one year after I left. I say it was KARMA. -
Sunflower, That is karma for sure! Glad you found a better place to work.
Tux
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I think it was here, that someone mentioned CancerandCareers. GREAT web site for all things employment Thanks. I added it to my thread for newbies Just diagnosed -get prepared. Also, found another web site today, that I have included the link for, it is evrything you would like to know about saving money on drugs. The question and answer below the links are in regard on how to make the system work for you re: meds received in a cancer center.
Edit:6/6/13 Found two new web sites that are a must to review. One is on saving money on drugs. Start with 'home" page , then the really helpful page is the "About Us" Pg. Link is to home pge.
This next link is dedicated to most of the need to know info regarding work and cancer. BCO has much information on the main borad, but this link is much more expansive
HAVE A CALL OUT TO MY RESOURCE PERSON:If you bring in the coupon taken from the web site to the cancer center, will/can it be utilized to help pay copay ANSWER to question NO.
Per my resource: This is how to make the website work or other resources work for you while receiving cancer meds in a cancer center, SPEAK UP and let them know you need financial help, best to do when you have initial contact with CC. What they then do, if they are connected like mine, they go through their resources the same we would, but would be contacting as a a provider. Grant money or assistance can be available under all kinds of circumstances. Do not assume you make too much money or b/c you have insurance, money is not available. If say you get turned down initially, recheckin should circumstances change.
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Charles, It might also be of interest, and pertinent, to find out if the people who were let go because of their cancer worked for companies who were "self insurers." I had never heard of that until we had a meeting several years ago with our head of HR over new tiers being offered with an upcoming open enrollment.
Many people don't know that their company self-insures the health and life policies. Like me, they probably haven't heard of that status before, and it is never mentioned in the company literature. It was only revealed at the meeting I mentioned because some asked a question about it.
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