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  • 3mom
    3mom Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Well dnaddbs you made me laugh right out loud just now reading your post about the wrong doctor!!  I needed that now I will go onto my next patients room with a smile on my face!!!!!  It is hard for some of us to find a local doctor though - I totally understand.  I am in the medical field and have lots of connections but in some areas of the country there are not as many trained in particular things.  I am going for my own 3rd opinion to another plastic surgeon 2 hrs away tomorrow just to make sure I have researched the best I can before making a decision on if to have DIEP or not as initial reconstruction. 

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    I went to see my PS today. Even though there are a couple of spots that have not healed yet in the new girls he is having me manipulate them twice a day. The manipulation is also good to soften up the fat. He said that the pain that I am experiencing is nerve pain, much like the pain that you get with a SNB, and that the girls needed to be de-sensitized. I also was told to get a bra, which I did. Holy Moly, I'm a 40D now, yikes! I am sure with the swelling that will go down in size. I got a Bali bra with no underwire and it is much more comfortable. He didn't really address my stomach being hard as a rock and uncomfortable other than to say that it is an extensive SX in medical lingo. He told me to wear a girdle, I was wondering when THAT was going to happen. When I asked him how long it would be until I could hug someone without pain, he said he didn't know how long it would take.



    I guess it's just time to put my big girl panties on and deal with it.

  • Cherrie
    Cherrie Member Posts: 1,423
    edited February 2013

    Heavens child, I just had a breast lift and fat grafting in a stage 2 surgery. You mentioned breast pain. I have INTENSE stinging pain going on in my right breast. It is not near any incisions. Is this what you are experiencing? Does this resolve with time? I can handle the lipo much more than this sharp pain. It is not constant. It comes and goes. I have had a few "episodes" today.

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    Cherrie - that is what the PA described as the same kind of pain that you get when the nerves are coming back after a sentinel node biopsy and that it will subside.  It is scary, though.  I've had to hang onto those words as it feels as if someone is poking you with a red hot poker.  I am encouraged though because I had HORRIBLE SNB pain after my first SX, but after a month or two it subsided, and then gradually lessened.  It took a year, but now all I have is an occasional twinge and some numbness under my armpit and shoulder blade in back.  I try to look at it as the nerves wanting to come back, although I really would rather not have sensation in my breast at this point! 

  • Cherrie
    Cherrie Member Posts: 1,423
    edited February 2013

    Thanks Heavenschild. It really is my only complaint as otherwise I am doing quite well for four days out. I will look forward to this subsiding! Whew!!!!

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Evening ladies, Can I just say "I LOVE MY PLASTIC SURGEON!!". 

    I probably have lowered my BP 1000/1000 since my appointment today. He started off the session with multiple apologies for all the rescheduling of the appointment. Don't ever remember a surgeon apologizing for any inconvenience he may have caused me! He is such a nice guy... Went over lots of details of the surgery, not just his part, but from the moment I arrive in the building. I had lots more questions since the last time we met, and he patiently answered each and everyone, often starting with the comment...that's a really good question. He didn't gloss over the serious parts, but answered with very calm, assuring words, and strongly stated "we will take care of you.. no matter what may crop up". He acknowledged my medical experience and chuckled appreciatively when I reminded him that I "have people" still working within his circle, that know I'm coming in. He sealed the deal when my hubby told him the "jury" story. He put his hand on my shoulder and said...."there is NO WAY I'M LETTING THAT HAPPEN"...then walked us out to his office gal, and said..type up a letter. He gave me his phone number and said, call me between now and surgery if you have any questions. What a sweetie!!!!!!

    I feel so cared for and relieved now. Mentally, I knew hubby could get out of jury duty, but emotionally, I really needed "backup" to make sure. Now it's looking forward to a girl's weekend away this weekend (woohoo), and staying as active and healthy as possible. I wish anyone of you who may be having recon could have it done by this guy. 

  • Hoya03mom
    Hoya03mom Member Posts: 135
    edited February 2013

    Greetings....It has been one year since I first felt the lump...ended up being DCIS...but in several locations and pre-cancer indications on other breast so I eventually, after 3 lumpectomies, decided on bi-lateral mastectomy with modified DIEP reconstruction (aka muscle sparing TRAM).  Surgery on 7/25/12 and cancer free!!  If anyone who is trying to decide wants to contact me, I would be happy to discuss why I went the way I did (two sisters with cancer did impact my decision!), or any other aspects of the sugery (13 hrs) and recovery.   I am so glad I went the way I did...still some residual effects, but all in all, a positive outcome.

    I spoke with around 20 women before I decided and got great input including questions to ask MD, so if you have questions about anything, please PM me or e-mail MiamiU72@aol.com and put cancer question as subject.

  • dnadebbs
    dnadebbs Member Posts: 82
    edited February 2013

    3mom.......glad i could make you smile!   Wink    and thanks of the affirmation regarding a 3rd opinion......i was actually thinking of doing that too in case the DIEP isn't an option for me.   i like my current PS but she's not a sympathetic kind of gal.....she's a very straight forward, very focused and tough doctor.   she doesn't have much time for sympathy and although i love that about her as a woman....in my position, i would prefer a little more love....lol.   like NIHAHI's PS......someone who will sit and listen!  lol.   my oncologist is way like that.....not my PS.   anyhoo....i will look in to getting a 3rd opinion too.   

    hoya03mom:  i would love a list of the questions you asked your PS to get to your final decision.   my email is dnadebbs@gmail.com.    my appt is on 3/7 and i'm excited to see what he has to say.

    thanks ladies!

    God bless!

    Ally

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    Hoya03mom - I emailed you, thanks for bouncing on the site!  What a journey this is...

    dnadebbs - my PS did great cosmetic work, but last time I saw him he was in and out in five minutes, I really needed a lot more assurance than I got and still have more questions than answers.  I would go back to him because he is an artist (I think I now have the cutest bellybutton in town now), but for reassurance I need to look elsewhere.

  • 3mom
    3mom Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Ok Gals,

    Sorry to say I am going to have to leave this thread - but will check back in to see how you have all progressed. I traveled to 3rd PS office yesterday (this is a office that primarly does DIEP and flaps) and really I am not a good candidate.  I am not skinny by any means but fit and in shape and just don't have enough tissue for bilat flaps.  She said even she could not have the procedure done if she needed to and the results would just not be that great - they would be too small for frame and a big surgery to not have a great outcome in.  I was dissappointed but thankful that I did all my research and can now go back to the implant route at least saying that I had all my info!  Good luck to all!

    Christina

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2013

    Christina, I am so sorry that DIEP won't work for you, but I have yet to hear that a really fit gal can't have GAP surgery.  Before you go to implants, please see if you can find a PS in your are who does GAP - taking the tissue from the upper or lower hip or thigh.  

  • keznick
    keznick Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Hi ladies, just wanted to check in again (it's been a little while). Things were going great after surgery on the 7th. No pain from the incisions just pain in my shoulder/back. Turns out I had multiple blood clots. I went back into the hospital last Thursday and just got home on Tuesday. What a long haul. I am exhausted. I haven't slept since before surgery as I've had pain from this ever since. They gave me every kind of drug possible but nothing could take away the pain. Oh my, I must say blood clots are the most painful thing ever. My poor husband could only sit there and watch me in pain and worry if I was going to be okay. I think he was pretty scared (and so was I). I pray no one else has to go through these. Not sure what caused them (the tamoxifen? surgery? combination?). What a pain in the butt. Sometimes you get tired of having to be so strong, you know? It must be time for some easy days, isn't it?? Sheeeeesh.

    I hope everything is going well for everyone else. I wanted to reply to each mention but it's too confusing for me right now, so just know that I have been reading along and following everyone's progress. Hoping for this drug haze to clear :-).

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    3Mom...We're all different in our needs and wants. Hope you find peace with whatever route you take.Some ladies are fine with implants, just as some chose to do no recon and are fine with that. It is so hard to juggle all this while still being a working mom with young kids. The good thing about implants, is, they don't rule out other paths in the future, and surgery is progressing by leaps and bounds. Stay well, stay strong.....you'll be in our thoughts. 

    Keznick...OMG....stop the insanity eh! Yes, it does get hard to be strong sometimes. So sorry to hear of your complications, but glad to hear you are now back home. That must mean things have been resolved?????? Rest up, you've been through it for sure. ((((((x))))))

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited March 2013

    Keznick - so sorry to hear about the blood clots! Hoping this is the only bump in the recovery road for you.

  • KiwiMum
    KiwiMum Member Posts: 704
    edited March 2013

    Keznick - you poor thing. You are right, it does get tiring having to be strong all the time! I hope now that you are home you can be pain free and get some rest.



    Today marks 4 weeks since my surgery. I am doing well. I wouldn't say I'm 100% upright. I'd say I'm 98%, but am walking, driving and getting out and about. I keep having to remind myself to stand up!! My stomach just feels really tight.



    One other thing I've changed is the stomach binder. I find it uncomfortable and it moves around when I stand/sit etc. Instead I've started wearing shapewear underwear. I find it supports my stomach and back, gives gentle compression to help with swelling, and is much more comfortable.



    Tomorrow is also my 2 year cancerversary! Yay for 2 years!!

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited March 2013

    When I was first diagnosed, October 2011, I was so frightened and depressed I would not shop for anything new to wear...why just put more in my closet for my husband to give to the Salvation Army when I died?

    Now, 18 months later, I was cruising around the outlet mall today and found a beautiful sweater.  "Won't this look great with a cami top?" I was thinking as I pulled out my credit card.  With the new girls just around the corner, I can't wait to donate my foobs and stop wearing tops and scarves that hide my shape and the orthopedic-looking bras.  

    Congrats on your two years, KiwiMum.  May we all celebrate many, many more.  Here's to wellness, healing, and hope.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2013

    sbelizabeth....I hear ya girl....I am actually looking forward to going shopping, once the alien is gone, and the "all me, all the time" arrives!!!!!! As of this morning.....42 days out YIPPEE. Getting a bit scared of the early recovery days, but not of the surgery itself...weird. But I think it's because I have so many details about the surgery, but recovery is something that can only be "guesstimated", since we are all different in how our bodies heal.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited March 2013

    Nihahi, I'm counting down the days, too.  I've written the countdown in my calendar, in fact, and I have 45 days as of this morning.

    I agree with you, recovery from surgery is pretty much no fun, and I REALLY HATE being in the hospital.  When I had my mastectomy I spent about four hours in the surgery center and came home to my own bed, my own caregiving husband and brother, and my own household germs.  But this is the final lap and I will not shrink from it!

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited March 2013

    Kiwimum....are you having much swelling in the tummy area? My surgeon says he doesn't routinely have ladies use compression. I told him I was concerned about my back, which can act up if stressed, and was wondering if some kind of ab support would help support my back during the early "bent over" days. He said I could ask for one at the hospital, if I wanted one, and it would be fine with him. I'm thinking that like you have found, the hospital version will be less comfortable than something I could find in the shapewear line. I'm not expecting to go the "industrial strength" support unless I have major problems.

  • faith729
    faith729 Member Posts: 244
    edited March 2013

    Hi ladies I've been trying to steer clear of the thread given my slightly depressing mood lately. The last thing I would want to do is bring you're lovely spirits down with me.

    Not sure whats going on with me really I'm stuck in a bit of a rut I think feeling pretty lonely despite my dh and his amazing ability to tolerate my roller coaster of mood swings.

    Today he came shopping with me because I thought I could use a pick me up and try to find something noce to wear to my boobvoyage party next weekend. After looking for over an hour I couldn't commit to anything and cried on the way home because I am feeling so uncertain about my body now and also the uncertainty of what shape I will have 30 days from now.

    Hopefully these feelings will subside soon but yea I too have been feeling a little tired lately of "being strong"

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited March 2013

    Faith729 - it is normal to mourn the loss of a part of ourselves. It's just horribly personal and only someone who has been through it would understand. I thought I have having a nervous breakdown because I was crying over losing my breasts, but it is okay to grieve the loss. Be kind to yourself - gentle cyber hugs your way.



    p.s. Although the new foobs don't feel the same, they look GREAT and my hubby is very pleased, so cosmetically it is a wonderful SX.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited March 2013

    Faith, I've experienced that too.  I've learned to expect it before every big blip in this process.  Before the lumpectomy, open biopsy, beginning of chemo, mastectomy, beginning of radiation...I got spun up and a weepy before all of them.  The unknown, especially when it's approaching with a side dish of "breast cancer" is scary.

    For me, time and perspective are healers. 

  • KiwiMum
    KiwiMum Member Posts: 704
    edited March 2013

    Sending hugs Faith!



    Nihahi - yes I do have a fair bit of swelling in my ab area still. In fact I'm struggling with clothes because my waist is lovely and flat, but bigger. I tried on a dress of mine the other day and couldn't do up the waist. To say I was disappointed was an understatement!! I'm counting on my waist reducing as the swelling goes down or I'll be very unhappy!! Anyone with any tips on timeline?



    The shapewear pants I'm wearing are gentle and make me feel supported. I've been having sore back issues from still hunching a bit and they help me hunch less.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited March 2013

    Kiwi... I had that same issue until my recent stage IIb, 14 months post stage II... There is a thread on here somewhere about bloat... I had the flat belly, but definitely larger and that lasted until this surgery... So timeline?? 18 months post stage I, I still had issues.

  • Moviemaniac
    Moviemaniac Member Posts: 949
    edited March 2013

    Faith-you sound completely normal.....I swung back and forth on my mood swing-all the time. It is natural to grieve the loss of part of what makes you "you". Heck, the night before my bmx, I stood in the shower and cried-partly for my soon-to-be-departed boobs, but mostly over fear of the unknown. The unknowns of surgery, post-surgery healing, and altered appearance. It is scary, but a good friend (and b/c survivor) told me: "time to let go of your girls-they're trying to kill you!" That is literally what got me out the door the morning of my surgery. Here I am, 6 weeks later, and though I have had some issues, I am thrilled with my adopted girls, and would most certainly do it all over again, in a heartbeat.



    Try not to over think everything. Go and have fun at your boobvoyage party (I LIKE that name!)......and the morning of your surgery tell your girls, I'm sorry, but it's time for you to go-I'm taking control again. You will be fine. And don't worry about what you look like in 30 days....it takes time to heal, and feel better about yourself.

    Namaste and God Bless, Jackie

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited March 2013

    Kiwi - I am 4 months out and my waist is still larger than before Stage 1.  I think it will change with time as we move through Stage 2.

    Faith - do not worry about what you will look like in 30 days.  You will still be healing.  My goal is what I will look like at my 1 year anniversary of Stage 1.  Flatter tummy?  Trimmer flanks?  Just looking at my lumps of clay now give me no idea what they will look like after my sculptor (Dr M) finishes her first shift, lift and shape in April.  Mourn the loss of your original equipment and rejoice in your surgeon's gifts to give you back something even better!

  • Cuetang
    Cuetang Member Posts: 575
    edited March 2013

    I've got a week until my DIEP surgery and I have to admit, I'm incredibly nervous and wanted to thank you all for sharing your insights and experiences (it is VERY helpful!).  I just met with the PS again today and I asked him if there was anything I need to purchase (binders, bras, etc.).  I was basically told that he doesn't like to use binders and that I would just have the bra that they would put me in.  At this point, I'm not quite sure what to do.  Should I even bother getting one then if he didn't recommend anything?  I'm also slightly concerned that he indicated as a possible issue from the DIEP would be an abdominal bulge that could happen.  He didn't say he thought it would happen to me, but I found it funny that was the only thing that he stressed could be an issue.  I know this PS does a lot of DIEPs and comes highly recommended by my BS (who I totally trust) as well as many other women on these boards that have had it done with him. 

    Did any of you buy a walker or a cane to get around the house?  For your first-post op appointment (I have mine a week after the surgery), were you able to walk to the doctor's office easily for the appointment?  I feel like I'm in the minority here, but I haven't had any treatment yet for my BC (diagnosed 2 months ago) and had to wait this long to get my BS and PS together on the same day.  Sorry for the random questions, but I thought I had it together but now nerves have got the best of me....

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited March 2013

    Cuetang - you will be able to walk on your own.  A walker or cane won't really be much help.  You will also be able to walk into the doctor's office.  Walking is a good and healing thing so you will need to do that once you are out of the hospital, short distances and building up.  You won't be driving for several weeks, though.

    I am curious if you doctor told you how he would deal with an abdominal bulge if it does happen?  If he doesn't care for support garments, you may wish to add something to your wardrobe once the drains are out.  This is an area that you can't really plan for if it is not in his practice.  I found support comforting.

  • seagan
    seagan Member Posts: 166
    edited March 2013

    Cuetang, I had my first post-op appointment yesterday (9 days after surgery) and I was able to walk no problem, just a bit hunched over.

    Otherwise, at 10 days out things are going really well (knock on wood!). All three drains came out yesterday and I'm relieved to report their removal didn't hurt (I was really dreading that after experiencing pain in the drain removal after my mastectomy 2 years ago). I felt I was walking on air after that appointment -- my husband and I went out for milk shakes to celebrate! I was also relieved that my PS released me to return to work (I have a desk job, no lifting) on 3/11, which will be roughly my 3-week mark.

    I'm still fairly tired and my back hurts when I'm up and around for any length of time, but I'm gradually straightening up. My PS encouraged me to straighten as much as possible, so I'm gently trying to stretch up and not give in totally to the (very strong!) impulse to hunch over. I'm also trying to walk and do the stairs as much as possible.  I wish it were warmer -- or at least not icy -- outside for walking. I make my son act as "scout" in front of me to warn of icy spots! I'm off pain meds now, except at night, though even then it's more for discomfort than for pain.

    I'm undecided about the whole binder thing. I'm wearing the one from the hospital today and it does seem to help with my back fatigue in particular. I haven't really been using up till now (or a bra), as it irritated my drains. My PS said either way was ok, and that it might help with swelling but it was OK not to wear, too. I'll keep experimenting.

    I did have a rough night last night, as I just couldn't get comfortable with the pressure and bloating in my abdomen (maybe I should have been wearing the binder more yesterday!). The wedge pillow under my back and other pillow under my knees, which had worked so well up till then, just were not cutting the mustard. Putting the binder on didn't help, nor did a Percocet. I actually sort of panicked, as the night wore on and I got all agitated with the discomfort and imagining my stomach was getting more and more distended. I think I freaked out my husband too!

    In the light of morning, I realized it was probably just swelling and pressure caused by fluid that was no longer being drained out (I was down to very little from my drains when they were removed, but still some) and I just have to adjust to a slightly more swollen feeling for a while. I was able to nap just fine later in the day, and I'm hopeful tonight will go better. The whole swollen-belly thing is odd.

    Faith -- I hope you're holding up as you go through this wave of sadness. I certainly had to go through that, repeatedly, as I approached my surgeries. After two years of no reconstruction, I even found myself grieving the loss of my no-boob body as I approached the reconstructive surgery, even though I had been very unhappy in that state. It was still a change in me, and therefore a loss.

    I also wanted to say that I hope you won't feel you need to stay away from these boards when you're feeling sad like that. If anything, that's the very time to reach out and connect, if that's what will help you. It's a huge reason so many of us come here, and we are honored to "be" with you during such times.

    Hope everybody else is doing well. Thanks for sharing here and please keep it comin'!

  • Moviemaniac
    Moviemaniac Member Posts: 949
    edited March 2013

    Seaman-I found the one thing that helps with the swelling and bloating is walking, and walking, and more walking. A good friend of mine, who happens to be a surgical nurse, told me that after my original abdominal sutures "blew out" due to infection. Of course there are other reasons for walking, but she was addressing swelling and bloating. If I had been more with it, I would have asked her why.....



    I am at 6weeks post DIEP today (yay!) and one week out from my second abdominal suturing....so I am kind of back in the hunched-over position. However, I still managed to walk a mile, and I feel pretty good.



    Just remember, it takes time......and anything worthwhile is worth the wait!



    Namaste and God Bless-Jackie

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