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  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited February 2013

    Amy, glad to hear you have made a decision - that is the worst part for me...weighing pros and cons, but once the decision is made, you start to plan for the future. You are so strong, both physically and mentally, that I know you will do really well, and spring is the season for renewal, so that is what you will look forward to - renewal. Not anything that any of us wants to face, but we are all in a much better place then April 2009.

    Hope everyone else is doing ok - Helen, isn't your surgery coming up pretty soon? Judy - hope you're getting some rest from your hectic schedule.



    Geri

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited February 2013

    Amy, I agree with Geri, I am pleased that you have made the decision. At least once you have had the surgery, you know that it is behind you and you can look ahead. And yes, we are most definitely in a very different place this year to Spring of 2009. How long is the recovery after the surgery? I send you only good thoughts and much love that this should pass easily for you.

    Geri, how are you feeling now? Helen, how are you?

    Well, I am ok. Had a house full last night - I know, not the best for me, but we had friends here from the US and we wanted to see them. It was a lovely evening, and not too late, so that was ok. I am looking forward to some serious pj time on Saturday and we have some friends coming over on Sat night for a drink - nothing too heavy.

    Hope everyone is ok, sending you all hugs, Judy x

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited February 2013

    Amy, I agree that best to get it over with.

    Geri, how are you feeling?

    My surgery is April 3 BUT I have been feeling better over the past few days. Haven't needed any pain meds but I'm still on the anti-inflammatories. Am now thinking that I may not need the surgery.

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2013

    Wow Helen - how interesting - the drugs may help enough to avoid the surgery. That would be so great.  I would still want you to be OFF the drugs and be sure the pain does not return, before you cancel surgery though. You can't stay on those anti inflammatories forever.

    Made a bunch of medical phone calls yest. If I have to step into the medical world, I am going to DIVE in and get everything done. Mammo set for mid March and appt with surgeon too. 

    "Serious pj time" - what an awesome expression, Judy. Thanks - I love it and plan to use it regularly!

    Also I told my trainer about the upcoming surgery and asked for direction on how to best use the next month at the gym to prepare myself for it. he wants a day or two to research and will get back to me. Curious to see what he says.

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited February 2013

    Amy--I'm glad you have made the decision and feel confident about it.  You will come out stronger than before.  

    Judy---It's good that you are chillin'!  One of the best presents I got when I was diagnosed was pjs. Now if someone is sick, I get them pjs.  Fun pjs and comfy pjs!

    Helen--What does your doctor think?

    I went to the breast surgeon yesterday for the preop. Surgery is for next Wednesday 2/27.  She said that she'll make a 4 inch diagnonal incision below my left collarbone.  This will allow her to get to the tumors, save the fat, and remove minimal pectoral muscles without giving me a concaved chest.  I think that will be a great trade-off.   I had been boo-hooing all week with my wild imagination running amok when I should just have calmed down and wait for her opinion!  Anyway, I think I may have to get a tattoo over that 4 inch scar in the future.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited February 2013

    Helen, good to hear that you are feeling better, but please check with your doctor before cancelling the surgery. Long term meds may not be the best solution either. Let us know what you decide.

    Amy, great that you are taking matters into your own hands and getting things done. Would love to hear what your trainer says about the pre op training.

    Florbo, best of luck for next week. Really hoping it all goes well. Our imaginations can cost us a lot of sleepless nights and worry, but I completely understand where you are coming from. As always, we will all be there with you virtually holding your hand as you go in.

    And yes, pjs are a great gift, I got some when I was diagnosed, there is just nothing like putting them on after the shower and getting into that relaxed mode...

    Geri, hope you are doing ok. Sending hugs to you all for a great weekend!

    Judy x

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited February 2013

    Hi Ladies, hope everyone is ok. Has been quiet here over the weekend.

    I had a good weekend, lots of time with friends and family, lots of laughing and drinking wine. Also enjoyed my pj time Wink..

    I took yesterday off work which was really nice too.

    Have been thinking about moving my surgery to the Fall - I have never been happy with doing it in the summer. I called the hospital this morning and am waiting to hear back to see if they can move it. I will keep you posted.

    Sending hugs and really hope you are all ok, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2013

    Meeting with the gynocological oncologist tomorrow for a little second opinion and pre surgical consult. I guess that is weird b/c I have made up my mind, but I still want to run the situation by him and see if there are any other options or what the risk is of not doing it. Being an oncologist and treating reproductive area cancers, i can't IMAGINE he is going to say anything that is comfortable with risk. I mean - he sees women struggle with and die from the very cancers I would avoid by having the surgery. So that is the position I expect him to take.

    I REALLY don't like going to the cancer center (where i was treated) for anything other than a quick checkup. This feels too much like being a patient (again). I am going to push through it and will report back what I learn. 

    But I can tell it has been bothering me subconsciously. i have had a lot of trouble focusing and concentrating. And I am not sleeping well at all.

    Well I should know more tomorrow anyway. Stay tuned......

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited February 2013

    Amy--I'm hoping that the gyn-onc will reconfirm what you want to done and reassure you of your decision.  I can't stand the smell of the cancer center anymore.  I was fine in 2009, now I can't stand it.  Maybe it's still the sensitivity to smells from chemo.

    I'm stuffing my face before I have to be NPO for my surgery tomorrow at 2 pm.  I will have my port taken out along with my foobie tweaked.  Praying that the tumors will be scar tissue when it goes to pathology.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited February 2013

    Amy, really hope the appointment goes ok for you. I imagine it will be hard for you to go into the Cancer Center again. It is completely understandable that this is bothering you and disturbing your sleep. Hopefully, once you have been, you will have a clearer mind as to the plan and will be able to get going until this is all behind you. Please let us know how it goes, thinking of you and sending you hugs.

    Florbo, sending you a HUGE HUG for today!!! Hope everything goes well and please come by when you can to let us know how you are feeling. We are all with you virtually, hope that helps a little Smile.

    Hope everyone is doing well, sending you all hugs, Judy x

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited February 2013

    Hi ladies,

    So I finally heard back from the hospital this morning and we have moved my surgery to October. I should be happy, because that is what I wanted, but now cannot seem to stop crying about it. I don't know what is wrong with me. I know that the summer is not a good time for me to do it and October was the soonest they could offer me after the summer. It seems so far away. I just want to be done with it already. By the time I am back on my feet after the surgery, I will be almost 5 years since diagnosis - seems crazy. Sorry for venting like this, I am feeling very frustrated. I like things to be planned and the scheduling is not in my control, which I find difficult to deal with...

    Amy, hope the appointment goes ok for you, please keep us posted.

    Florbo, hope you are on the other side of your surgery now, sending hugs for an easy recovery.

    Hugs to you all and thank you for listening, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2013

    So I saw the gynecological oncologist yesterday. It was MUCH harder than I thought to be in the building as a patient again. I had to walk past the place I got my blood drawn each time (lab) prior to chemo, the place I got radiation, etc etc - like a BAD trip down memory lane.

    When I checked in, I had a LONG wait and luckily they had an absolutely adorable little therapy dog there, and he was a great distraction. I forgot how they always have those shows I hate like Regis on the tvs in the waiting room.

    By the time they took me back (45 min later), I wasn't doing so well. My daughter was texting me pictures of baby bunnies and chocolate fountains to help me get through it, which was so sweet, it really did help.

    ANYWAY....he was absolutely amazing. Very brilliant and patient and thorough. Just sat and answered all my questions, explained everything to me. Best med appt I've ever had.  
    His thought is that there is NO increased risk of endometrial cancer from the bleeding UNLESS it is from atypical hyperplasia (precancerous cells in the uterus). He said the burden of proof is on them to show it is NOT cancer once you have the post meno bleeding. 

    BUT he said that endo cancer is slow growing (can take years) and that if I have a clean D&C once/year, it is good for the next year and i would  not need to worry. He DID say that 85% of uterine cancers are cured by surgery (hyster) but 15% are either spread to lymph or other organs once discovered. He said he works with women w stage 3 or 4 gyno cancers who die all the time. (Lovely thought, right?) So it sort of reminded me we are dealing with something serious here, not just the thought of avoiding surgery.

    He DID say that he would be comfortable with me having an annual D&C any year that I had bleeding, get biopsy and then be good for another year.

    And I thought about it a lot. The thought of avoiding surgery is VERY enticing (of course). But the thought of waiting a whole year to get a biopsy, waiting for results, possibly having given a cancer an entire year to grow and spread before being discovered....well, that seems VERY unpleasant, stressful and kind of risky.

    So...at this point, I am going to plan to have the surgery. I am going to take a few more days to think about it, but am pretty sure that is how it is going to go.

    Feeling reasonably calm about things.  

    Thanks, all. 

    FLORBO - congrats on port removal. BEST day of the whole cancer experience for me. I asked if I could keep it, they said no, hazmat violation. But when they removed it, they showed it to me....then I didn't want to keep it anymore. Yuck. GLAD it's gone!

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited March 2013

    Amy, so sorry that your experience was so difficult to begin with, but it seems as though it improved and that you came away calmer and well informed. The doctor sounds amazing and that is so important.

    Florbo, hope you are doing ok today. Sending you all hugs and hope you all have a good weekend.

    Judy.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2013

    Hi, ladies.  Amy, your doctor sounded like he really cared and allowed you to ask enough questions to make your decision.  I had a hysterectomy at 28, after suffering for years with incapacitating endometriosis (which I believe is somehow all related to the BC - autoimmune issues, anyone?) and it really wasn't that terrible.  Ended all of the horrific pain and I only wish I had had the remaining ovary out at the same time, because the endo was back 7 years later on that ovary and I had to get it out.   I am glad you were able to come to the decision calmly and clearheaded and I don't blame you - I would make the same decision.  The agony of waiting and wondering each time?  Heck no, we've been through enough!

    Florbo, sorry to see that you have to get back in the treatment saddle.  Hugs to you for an easy journey with as little se's as possible.

    I hit my 4 year cancerversary on Feb. 14 - and as usual as I enter the time of year when I was going through cancer hell, I find it hard not to feel a bit down, dark and sad.  I don't know why, I mean, I am alive and NED, but I guess it's the psychological thing of it all and PTSD of a sort.  Anyway, trying to get out of that place (worrying, what if, and all these new aches and pains which I know are coming from being 50, and I STILL have painful discharge from the bc breast that makes me insane but still . . . ).

    I hope you all are doing well and fingers crossed for Helen, Florbo, Amy and anyone who is undergoing surgeries or treatments, and a big hug to all of you.  

    Michele

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited March 2013

    Surgery date: 4/12. Made pre/post surg appts at the same time.  Also have Mammo in March, and follow up with regular onc.

    TOO MANY medical appts on my calendar. UGH.

    But I am confident I will be glad/relieved when this is done.

    Funny, last Feb I was really struggling against that dark place, due to it being cancer-versary month. My dx date was actually yesterday, which I didn't even realize until this minute. This year, I didn't give any of it a thought since I was dealing with all this stuff. 
    How strange our minds are. I guess distraction worked this time.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited March 2013

    I also didn't think about the date but my surgery was actually 4 years ago yesterday - Feb. 28 but I had my dx confirmed a couple of weeks before that. Still dealing with the demons though.

    Amy, keeping my thoughts and good wishes for you - hopefully it will go easily and you'll be feeling much better. I agree that you are doing the right thing.

    Michele, I also had endometriosis - a long time ago. Had one ovary removed at the time and never had a problem again as i got pregnant right away and that seemed to "cure" the problem. But it was very painful.

    Florbo, Judy, Geri - thinking about all of you. Last week my excruitiating back pain just stopped. Need to talk to my doctor as I don't think I want surgery if I don't have pain. How come nothing ever goes smoothly? Although I'm not complaining this time.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited March 2013

    Chelev, so nice to hear from you. I am also feeling down at this time of year. My surgery was 4 years ago tomorrow and I have been low for a few weeks now - cannot seem to pull myself out of it.

    Amy, good that you have a date and can get yourself organized now. I can imagine all the appointments on the calendar can get you down.

    Helen, let us know what the doctor says about the pain/surgery.

    Florbo, how are you feeling?

    Geri, hope you are ok.

    Seems like we all have something going on at the moment. Sending everyone hugs, Judy x

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited March 2013

    Hugs to you all!  I'm always sappy, angry, grateful when my cancerversary rolls around, too.  For me, 2/18 /09 was the first one.  Now, I don't think mine will be until after rads are done.  However, I feel that February will always be a hard month because of the surgeries I've gone through.

    Well, I'm alive and kicking.  My surgery was slated at 2 pm.  They got me to pre-op around 1:45.  Then they made me take off my underwear.  New policy they said.  That left me in a bad mood because I was getting cold and felt breezy.  My dear hubby fashioned me a diaper from a warm blanket.  I felt like Capt. Underpants.  If you have elementary age kids, they wil know the series.  I am wheeled upstairs to OR and my pastor was waiting there.  He prayed with us and I felt better.  Then my sister-in-law showed up which was really nice.  My IV was started on the first try.  Then my friend and neighbor who is a very capable and specially certified OR nurse pops in and tells me she's going to be on my case.  I was so happy I was gonna burst.  She even let me choose the music for the OR--80s dance music.  Too bad the anesthesia kicked in after the first song.

    I wake up 3 hours later in tons of pain.  Got Fentanyl and didn't wake up for another 2 hours.  Then was woozy and couldn't pee on a bedpan for a few more hours.  I was on the verge of admission overnight when I was able to get with it, get out of bed and pee in the toilet.  They took off my homemade diaper during surgery and I was glad that I didn't have any underwear on because I had to pee so bad.  So, I made it home around 10:30 pm and got to sleep in my own bed.

    Surgery went as expected.  I have a 4 inch scar on my left chest above my previous mastectomy.  The surgeon took out a piece of pectoral muscle about the size of a deck of cards (maybe not that thick).  All 3 tumors were in there.  Hopefully, pathology will be back tomorrow to show that the margins are clear and that the tumors are dead. My foobie was fixed by the plastic surgeon because after the last recon, I ended up with a permanent headlight.  He debulked the nipple which took him all of 5 minutes.  I got the port out and got to keep it.  Now I have one for each kid.  My 10 year old has been emptying my drain every day.  He feels very helpful and it also helps him practice math as he is working with subtraction/addition and decimals using the syringe.

    Thank you all for checking on me.  I appreciate all the cyber-hugs.

    Judy--What surgery are ou having done later this year?  Please refresh my memory.

    Chelev--Good to hear from you and to hear your thoughts.  Another year alive to be thankful for.

    Amy--Keep staying focused!  You will feel better soon.

    Helen--I do hope you stay pain free.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited March 2013

    Florbo, thanks for coming by. Glad to hear you are alive and kicking and back home. Now, I hope you have an easy recovery.

    I am having reconstruction later this year; the DIEP surgery. My reconstruction failed when I had my mastectomy in 2009 and I needed to begin treatment at the time, and have not had it done yet. It certainly prolongs the whole BC chapter in my life.

    How is everyone feeling today? Sending hugs to you all, Judy x

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited March 2013

    Judy--I would have to say my DIEP was one of the best things I got out of BC.  The recovery was harder than I had imagined, but the results have been fabulous.  I had all this extra skin from having kids that I never could fit into clothes and pants properly afterwards.  After the DIEP, I fit better in prety much everything.  Also, I didn't have to choose to do saline or silicone implants.  I wouldn't have been able to make a decision 4 years ago.

    I just posted a picture of my hair at 7 weeks post-chemo.  With the surgical incisions I have from last week, I think I look *badars*.  My huby thinks I look like I've been in a knife fight!

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited March 2013

    Thank you for the encouragement Florbo, I appreciate it. I am quite nervous about the recovery, but I know (from previous experience unfortunately), that it will pass and eventually, I should feel ok again. How are you feeling?

    Hope everyone is doing ok and having a good week.

    I went to the most amazing party last night! It took place in a cafe where all the staff are either deaf, blind or both. It was unbelievable - in the middle of dinner, 2 of the waitresses stood on the bar to teach us all some signing. Then the party host, made a speech using signing. And to top it all, the cafe has a section called "blackout". In there, you are guided in complete darkness to a table and given something to eat. The staff were always close by helping us find our way and our food. They gave us bowls of ice cream and asked us to recognize the flavors - I couldn't believe how much we actually look at our food to identify it. Of course we all came out with ice cream all over our faces, but it was just so interesting and different. I found the whole evening so fascinating!

    Enjoy your day today, hugs to all, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited March 2013

    Judy - what an absolutely fascinating concept. Would love to try that!

    I got my surgery paperwork/bloodtest rx/instructions yesterday.  Just glanced at it and put it aside. I am learning not to spend precious time worrying until just beforehand. That is progress.

    Spent Tuesday with my daughters going to the Flower Show in Philadelphia. It is a huge event and a lovely taste of spring.  The pregnant one definitely is getting bigger and got a bit tired with all the walking, so she found a place to sit and put her feet up a bit. Her sister said "You are so big already (which she isn't) - how much bigger can you get?" I thought that was very funny - she obviously hasn't been around many pregnant women. She will learn a lot watching her sister go through this.  I think sometimes that being the oldest child is the hardest spot. You go through everything first as the parents' experiment. Parents relax a lot more at the subsequent children, I think. I know I did.

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited March 2013

    How is everyone?  I got my drain and stitches out today.  Somehow, I hurt more now that those things are out than when they were in.   Don't know why.  I may have to pop another Vicodin.  I still look bad-ars with the scars.  I do think I need some aviator glasses to complete the look.  

    Judy--I saw a movie years ago where a couple went on a date to a restaurant like that.  That is soooo cool.  I would love to take my kids to something like that.

    Amy--the Flower Show sounded delightful especially with your daughters.  I hope it was a good diversion from all the worrying you were having.

    My mom had ordered some royal jelly for me because I had read that it was good for your immune system and for healing.  However, she found a few reports that if you are estrogen positive for breast cancer, it is best not to take it.  Just something I learned today.  Have a good night!

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited March 2013

    Good for you Amy, keeping that paperwork to the side till you need to deal with it. The flower show sounds wonderful, Spring is in the air here too. I hope your daughter is feeling well and enjoying her pregnancy.

    Florbo, hope you are feeling ok today and managing to rest.

    Geri, Helen, Titan and Lesley, hope you are all doing ok.

    The party really was fascinating and so insightful and educational for us all, adults and kids alike.

    Wishing you all a great weekend, hugs, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited March 2013

    So yesterday I had to deliver an order of clothing to the pediatric oncology unit at the children's hospital I work with. I go up there sometimes, but don't really like it, as it can bother me if there are young patients around. It just brings back too many memories and the thought of a CHILD going through this is just.....

    Well, my husband was with me, because we were en route to something else. And I was with another woman i work with from that department who knows me well. So the nurse who ordered the shirts said "Just bring them in here" and we walked through these doors...and we were IN the chemo infusion room. I almost FAINTED.  My husband was unloading the boxes (what a treat to have him with me to do that) and I just touched my friend's arm and said "This isn't good" and she (bless her) took charge and said "We're going to wait outside" and just swooped me back out into the waiting room. It wasn't super obvious to anyone (I think) but it REALLY bothered me to be in there. I didn't look around AT ALL, didn't see any kids in the chairs, thankfully.  But it took me a few minutes to get past it. And then I was ok again. 
    But I surely didn't expect THAT to happen. I guess you never know what you will be confronted with on any given day. 

    I do well working there, seeing the sick children being wheeled around, or being in the elevator with a family and their child being transported in a wheeled crib.  I've come a long way and that doesn't get to me anymore. But the chemo room was just TOO MUCH.  Yeesh.

    Other than that unpleasant surprise, all is well. I bought a few new clothes and some jewelry (gasp, nothing expensive though) and wore it yesterday to the thing we were going to. I did feel pretty. My husband said I looked 'all dolled up' which from him, I guess is a compliment. LOL.

    Florbo - interesting about the royal jelly. Never would have thought it was estrogenic. A lot of things are, apparently. Good to know.

    Good weekend to all.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited March 2013

    Amy, so sorry you had to go through that. Sometimes, it does just hit us out of nowhere like that. Although, I think it is always lurking somewhere in the back of our minds. You are dealing with a new round of medical issues now, so that may be contributing to your being more sensitive. I know I would find it hard. When I was having chemo, my sister came out from London and when they "hooked me up", she had to go out and she was also several years out. It is clearly a very traumatic experience and it rears its head at unexpected times. The Spring is always hard for me; the smells in the air bring back that time of year and sometimes, I come over very upset or nautious and then it passes. Really hope you are doing ok now and that you had fun when you went out with your husband.

    Our weekend was nice; quiet and easy. Hope you are all feeling ok.

    Hugs to all, Judy x

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited March 2013

    Just passing through quickly today, it has been quiet here the last couple of days...hope you are all well and doing ok.

    Hugs to all, Judy x

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited March 2013

    Bench pressed 105# today at the gym.. TWO REPS! Had a guy standing there to make sure I didn't drop it but he didn't actually help. (more like moral support)  I had wanted to break 100# but they saw me warming up and knew I could do a bit more, so they snuck n extra 5# onto the bar and just told me to do it. I blasted The Who in my ears on the IPOD and just went for it.

    Felt very strong. And happy.  I'm going to get through this hysterectomy and get back to my life. I am determined.

    (I have to tell you ladies, weightlifting is very interesting. It is not like the aerobic workouts where you sweat and gasp and can't wait for it to be over. You get to rest in between, really focus, gather your strength and do it. I find it very motivational, and so cool when you see your strength increase in measurable ways.)

    Good day for me. Hope it is a good day for each of you as well.  

    Love to all - A.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited March 2013

    Hope everyone is doing ok. I went for my pre-op yesterday and am seeing GP tomorrow. I still get twinges but am not in severe pain anymore. Haven't decided yet what to do.



    Doing a lot of babysitting these days. And I started walking again since I'm feeling better. It's still cold but spring is around the corner. Can't wait.

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited March 2013

    Hi Ladies,

    I went down to recover down in Houston for a few days since my boys are on Spring Break.  I figured I still needed my mom's help and since I still can't drive, I should go down to Houston also.  I was a good girl and worked on my exercises to increase my range of motion.

    I met with the oncologist on 3/8 and I am in menopause.  My labs were more definitive than before when I was on Tamoxifen. So, I don't need my ovaries out.  We will monitor the estrogen and FSH every couple of months.  Im happy that I don't need another procedure.

    Helen--I hope your GP visit will be productive.

    Amy--I'm so sorry that you almost fainted.  I think we will always have chemo memory "triggers."  I almost vomited when I went to see the oncologist.  Next time I'm going to wear a mask.

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