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  • LKSHER
    LKSHER Member Posts: 209
    edited February 2013

    I was diagnosed with IDC on Feb 6th. I have followed a lump in my breast since puberty always the size of a golfball and it changed with my cycles. For years I was told it was fibrocystic. It felt different to me in 2009 and I had it biopsied via US. Since microcalcifications were found in my other breast that was biopsied, too (awful stereotactic experience). Everything came back reported as b9. In June of 2012, I had a strange rash mostly on my left breast and it was itchy and my nipples looked very irritated. I went to the doctor and they weren't sure what it was so I was sent for bilateral US and mammogram. The rash ended up going away soon after and they didn't biopsy anything but said all looked as if it hadn't changed since 2009. In the Fall of 2012, I noticed this lump I have always had seemed bigger and harder, I waited a while to see if it was too much coffee or whatever....based on my multiple procedures with benign results in the past (not just the breast ones I have mentioned). In January, my OB/Gyn measured it and we waited 2 wks and measured it again. At that time, she sent me for a Mammo/US again. This time everyone seemed concerned and gave it a Birads 5. It was biopsied and although they found a lot of benign stuff and sclerosing adenoma, they found IDC and LCIS. My big lump, that I have always had measures around 5cm now. I got mammo on the other side and guess what? They found clusters of microcalcs and they were worried. At this point I changed to the best care in my region and had more biopsies done and rechecked the path. So, I have IDC in both breasts, my FNB on left nodes came back positive and the Pet Scan showed the cancer in the left breast and the nodes, but the right breast didn't even light up. They seem so happy the rest of scan was clear, but if it didn't even show the cancer in the right (which is small), how do they know it's clear. They don't. I am 39 and have a husband and 2 beautiful active children ages almost 14 and almost 11. We are extremely close and I gave up teaching to be there for them in every way and support their goals and dreams. They are saying Stage 3 because of size and node involvement. It is grade 1 and highly ER/PR + Not HERS. They are scheduling me for a bilateral mastectomy first, then dense dose chemo, and radiation to follow with nodes out on left and sentinel test on right. Then hormone suppression indefinitely. I know everyone says to be positive and the docs say they are going for curing it, but I am so terrified and worry that I will do all this invasive painful treatment just to leave my family anyway. Please help me.

  • LKSHER
    LKSHER Member Posts: 209
    edited February 2013

    Forgot to mention: dense breasts, no family history at all, had babies young, didn't menstruate early, breast fed my babies for 15 months and 1 year, not overweight, don't eat awful, exercise quite a bit.....definitely a stressy lady sometimes.....point being not much in way of risk factors aside from the dense breast and benign breast disease. Also, followed my breasts religiously. So sad and scared.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited February 2013

    Lksher....I just marked 7 years since Dx.....AT least 3 tumors in right breast and node involvement....left breast was precancerous....had bilat with TE expanders...chemo, rads, AI's and ooph.   IT is very scarey, but BC Dx, even stage 3 is not an autmatic death sentence....there are lots of us gals who have been around for over 5 years who were Dx stage 3.    Our biggest risk factor for having breast cancer is being female!!!!  You will get through this....its one day at at time and sometimes one foot in front of the other.  There are lots of great gals here on bco....and I'm sure others will be posting their stories as well.  Keep visiting here and will try to help as best we can....sending you cyber hugs!!!

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited February 2013

    You are stage 3 because lymph node involved but they are connected to breast so it's not really a separate spread - I was diag last spring with stage 3 ILC - and many stage 4 peeps live for many years ......



    Good luck

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited February 2013

    Hi there. I know it's scary being hit with a  stage III dx, but you will be ok. The Ca is contained to the breast and nodes, that's good.  PET scans are highly effective in determining visceral ( mets to organs) and bone mets. Not so good at picking up breast & nodes ( most likely because of the size)

    Also a grade one is a slow growing tumor, which is also good.

    The treatments that have today are so so much better then they were yrs ago. I speak from  experience, all the female memeber of  my family died from BC ( previous generation) and I was diagnosed over seven years with stage IIIC dx.

    Take one day at a time, come here often for support and good info. DON"T google, lots of outdated info out  there. Be kind to yourself.

    You will be ok!

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited February 2013

    ditto what everyone else said. I'm going to celebrate ending chemo at end of this month-it will be one year since PFC-post f ing chemoSmile

    Its a scary place you are in now. what a difference a year makes. you can do it. I'm 46 BTW mother of 2 teenagers etc etc

  • LKSHER
    LKSHER Member Posts: 209
    edited February 2013

    So grateful for the love and support here. I have almost been literally paralyzed for days and days. You are all helping me.

  • kar123
    kar123 Member Posts: 273
    edited February 2013

    This is the worst part.  You will get through this and look back in wonder at how far you have come. Check out the Survivor Thread at the beginning of this group and you will feel reenergized and hopeful.  You can do this!

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited February 2013

    BC is very unfair. Most of us can find no risk factors or family tendency. You WILL get through treatment successfully and be with your family for a long, long time. Treatment is doable and while there will be days of recovery, there will also be good days when you can live somewhat normally. There's a lot of good info here to help you.



    I'm a Stage IIIc, over one year post final chemo and post surgery. I'll be one year from radiation at the end of April. I plan on being around a long time.



    Hugs!

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited February 2013

    LKSHER,

    This is I think the worst time.  My kids were younger when I was diagnosed, 2 and not yet 3-1/2, and I was just crazy with fear that I wouldn't get to see them grow up.  Of course that's what moms with kids think about.  There are way too many of us on these boards.  

    How I ended up with my diagnosis is different, but I also had a big IDC on one side with node involvement.  I also had DCIS and LCIS.  My "good" breast wasn't so good.  I couldn't believe it was happening to me because I'm also healthy and normal weight, and although I did have kids late I breastfed forever.  But nobody gets a free pass.  All the factors aren't yet worked out yet about what causes this plague.

    I felt better after my BMX, and starting into treatment.  It is awful to go through this, truly awful, but it gets better once you start taking action.  Treatment is no picnic, but for me it was not nearly as bad as the overwhelming terror of thinking about my own mortality and my kids being left.  No matter what they find at surgery, with the PET results you have there is a good chance you'll be around for years and years.  I never wanted to know the statistics, they didn't help me, but it did help me to focus on being here now.  My mind would start to go bad places, and I'd think, "But you're here now." And then I would do whatever I could do to get through treatment, to stay healthy, to reduce my risk of recurrence.  

    The other thing I did, which I think isn't offered enough to people, is I got a medication for anxiety.  It took the edge off my panic a little.

    Although I did talk to some survivors early on, I didn't find it all that helpful.  They were diagnosed early stage, had lumpectomies.  I know in my head that hearing the news was devastating for them, but at the time all I could feel was jealousy.  Then I found out I know someone who had as many nodes positive as I did 12 years before I was diagnosed.  12 years.  She's not a close friend but was very supportive in her own way, and I found that so inspiring.  

    There are no guarantees.  I know I may not get my 12 years (she's at 14 now) but I sure hope so.  

  • hopefour
    hopefour Member Posts: 459
    edited February 2013

    So sorry for your journey here! Where you are now is the worst part of the journey..terrifing!! I also had a grade 1 cancer, bilateral mastectomy first followed by dose dense chemo and rads. The surgery was not difficult for me. They have graments that help with the bags for draining which worked great for me as it was baseball season and I was not missing my sons baseball games. I took Chemo one at a time. After the first one I figured what days would be the hardest and which ones I would feel my best and planned my actives around that. Some days I thought no more Chemo for me, but by the time the next Chemo was due my fight was back and I did it again...you will too!! Rads was not difficult for me, but others say they were very tired. BC is a personal journey and each will experience it differently. As mom I really wanted to be active in my kids lives while in treatment, so that was my goal and thankfully I was able to fulfill! You will meet wonderful, strong and wise woman here at stage 111. We pull together and cheer each other on through this journey...don't feel alone..we are here!! Please, keep us up-dated on how you are doing....you will get through this!!

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited February 2013

    LKSHER...

    So sorry for your news and these first miserable days following diagnosis.  Like many women have already told you, the beginning is just the worst.  It's like "cancer radio" is playing in your head, very loud, 24/7.  It's broadcasting stuff like "you won't live to see your children graduate."  "Your situation is hopeless."  "You may as well just give up as face the wretched days of treatment in front of you."  

    Been there, heard that.  I'm here to tell you that sure, there are are hard days ahead, but we all take one step at a time, putting one foot in front of the other, and before you know it, we're on the other side of the speed bump.  You can do this.  

    Give some thought to talking to your doctor about anti-depressant meds, as well as an anti-anxiety med to take just when you're engulfed with it all.  Just a suggestion, but letting modern pharmacology help in a time like this is not admitting weakness.  

    As far as the "everyone says to stay positive" part, you need to do what YOU need to do. Give yourself room to grieve the loss of your breasts and the loss of your hours to cancer treatments.  Be angry, sad, and honest with yourself.  Just let the hopelessness trickle away.  There's plently of hope for all of us.  

    There's more strength within you than you know.  It will get you through.  One day at a time.  

    Blessings...

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited February 2013

    Hello

    1 year dx today (and 1st post dx mammo later today).

    Should I be celebrating? I don't feel like it.....still have to catch my breath when I realise I am stage iii

    Wlil that ever go? 

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited February 2013

    Wintersocks, the days and weeks around my first anniversary, just last fall, were pretty hard.  Every day I remembered something that happened just a year ago.  The day of the news.  Telling my family.  Surgery, waking up to positive nodes, and that awful afternoon of the pathology report.  First chemo.  Bla, bla, bla.  

    I still have a quiet gasp sometimes too, when it's all new again.  It's a whole lot less frequent than it was.  Will that ever go?  I don't know.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited February 2013

    Wintersocks....it does get easier with time....I scheduled CTS surgery on the one year anniversary of Dx so I would have a distraction....actually year 2 was hard for me...don't know why....but I just celebrated year 7!!!

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited February 2013

    I scheduled my recon almost a year after my mx for the same reason!  April 15...just around the corner...and I'm weepy and can't sleep.  Go figure.

  • keemo26
    keemo26 Member Posts: 29
    edited February 2013

    LKSHER - It's hard to believe that you will get through this but you will. I had surgery one year ago Feb 15th. My MO said cure and I just focused on that. The journey isn't fun but keep your eye on the prize. There are lots of great and supportive women on BCO. Someone mentioned staying off the internet and I agree. Avoid it. It really messes with your mind. My friends on another thread here say "Keep on keeping on"! 

    Lots of love and hugs!

  • LKSHER
    LKSHER Member Posts: 209
    edited February 2013

    My sister texted me today and asked if I wanted to get new cute short haircuts together like "twinsies" and mentioned different celebrities.....It annoyed me so much even though I know she means well. This was my reply:



    I am not one of those pink stage 0 or 1 people who are excited about new boobs and stuff. I may not survive this very long and in the meantime I will be going through painful treatments that will ruin my body and the rest of my health. I will be missing valuable time with my children and then there are still definitely not any guarantees, so I don't feel positive as much as so many people keep trying to shove down my throat and that's why I haven't been talking to anyone. I just can't deal with any of this. I was already depressed. Now I am just below bottom and I have no idea how I will ever get through this and that's the truth. I will be old, ugly, and ruined and probably die in next few years anyway. That's not what anyone wants to hear and I don't want any stupid pep talks or to see anyone else's emotions or hear how I need to change my attitude and be strong. That is why I am avoiding everyone. I know I will need help. I get it. I just have no idea how to accept it and how to act "positive".



    I am obviously in a very bad place and my husband has lost patience with my "negative" attitude. My team wants me to wait for any kind of reconstruction until after I finish all treatment including radiation and that makes me feel awful. I am a young and pretty woman with long hair and I had nice natural boobs. Do I care as much about cosmetics as living? No. But, I do care. I would be lying if I said I didn't. My chances of recurrance seem high due to tumor size (even though I bet a lot of it is benign tissue) and node involvement and cancer on both sides. I feel hopeless and angry and it I feel like I now have to pretend that I feel strong and positive or everyone will be mad and disappointed in me. I even went to the stage 4 boards because someone said there aren't many grade 1 ladies there. Well, I saw them there. I care for everyone here and I know this is not all about me, but I am struggling so much. I did take a xanax last night even though I hate to and I am going to talk to a counselor very soon. Still don't see how it will help me. I am a young, strong, beautiful woman and I just want to stay that way and be a mom and have fun and live without worry. I am so down today.....and everyday. So dreading everything. I am sure no one wants to hear any of this stuff, but I obviously need some help. :(

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2013

    Hi LK,

    I feel your pain and I know things look bleak right now. The initial part of the journey is so hard and it sometimes feels impossible to keep the mind from going to the darkest places. I am stage IV. I won't go into every little detail (you can search my screen name and read my posts) but I had some rough months including a rare complication from port insertion. I am not the same, physically or emotionally, as before dx but remarkably, I am not that different. It took a while to get here, but with the help of a great medical team, Effexor and assorted other drugs as needed, my life is pretty normal. I have gained a bit of weight from meds, my boobs are silicone and my joints a bit achy BUT I work full time at a job I adore(1st grade teacher), became a grandmother, am planning younger dd's wedding and a cruise to New Zealand and Australia. Having stage IV is not what I envisioned and I know that someday it will get worse but it's not today! Please find a psychiatrist who has experience with cancer patients and take meds if appropriate. No shame and it may make a world of difference. You don't have to be positive and perky all the time but don't put your foot in the grave yet. Yes, some stage IV women are struggling and will lose the battle but many of us have years of good life to live and so do you. Please pm me for any support you need.

    Caryn

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    LK, I am sorry you are in the middle of this mess alled breast cancer.

    I was in your shoes almost 2 years ago- told to delay recon, crap in both breasts, 8 rounds of chemo, rads, the works!

    I am still alive. I am still hot ;) OK, somewhat reconfigured, lol, but really fine in all ways that count. 

    Please, please, please talk to your team about how you are feeling. You should NOT have to feel this bad, although it is completely understandable that you do.

    There is light on the other side. I promise.

  • LKSHER
    LKSHER Member Posts: 209
    edited February 2013

    Thank you, Caryn. That does help.

  • LKSHER
    LKSHER Member Posts: 209
    edited February 2013

    Thank you, Momine.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    LK, anytime, and feel free to PM me if there is anything I can help you with.

  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
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  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited February 2013

    I think most of us could have written your post in the beginning....it is just so hard not to spiral down to a dark place.....you have children and all you want to do is be there to raise them.  You had visions of growing old with your husband and retiring to a wonderful place.  Right?

    My children were in first, second and seventh grade....I honestly wasn't sure I would see them graduate elementary school as my tumor was 8 cm and I had at least 17 nodes positive. In a few months my oldest will graduate from college.... in the fall another one will be going into college and my youngest will be a junior in high school in the fall.  I now know that I will most likely see them all graduate from high school!  At the time that is all i had prayed for.  Now... I am trying to ask for a "re-do" on my prayers and hope to see them married with grandchildren.  :)))))

    Many more people are doing well with a stage III diagnosis.....life goes on.....

    It is hard to do ......but don't let this cancer take any more from you than it already has....get your fight song on....do the chemo.... and then go back to doing what you have always done.  Before you know it....days, months and years add up.

    Jacqueline

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited February 2013

    LK - STUFF being positive, you feel whatever you feel but make sure you feel a whole range of feelings - don´t dwell in any of them.......allow yourself time to feel doomed but set a time limit on it - eg 30 minutes of really wallowing, then say to yourself, right enough, I have today and am going to do.......at least one thing you want to do.....research evidence has PROVED that people who allow themsleves to free flow their emotions have better survival than those who make themsleves feel positive (why should we, thats like plastic smiles) - if you try and bottle up your shock and sadness it will create more problems for you long term so go for it!

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited February 2013

    LK, you're in an impossible situation.  People tell us to be positive, not realizing that by doing so they are laying the fault on us when things go wrong.  Be positive and things will go well assumes that if they don't go well, you weren't positive enough.  We know that's crap.  This doesn't happen to people because they're not hoping for the best, the women who are Stage IV aren't Stage IV because they didn't do enough pink walks or self-talk enough about how they would beat this.  

    Some of what you're afraid of may happen.  Some of it may not.  I think people's reaction is complicated - if they care about you they're afraid for you and don't want to think about the bad possibilities.  I don't know how many times I heard, "Did they catch it early?"  I was like socking me in the stomach.  No, "they" didn't catch it, and no, it wasn't early.  But they were just saying that because they wanted it to be true and didn't know what the words themselves would do to me.  If they haven't been there, most people are clueless.  I'm sure I was.  

    What you're describing doesn't sound abnormal to me, it sounds like where I was.  I'm not going to say, "Yay, I'm cured!" because I do live with a certain level of fear.  It would be foolish to assume I've "beaten" this thing or "won" - my risk of recurrence is too high.  But, I'm going on with my life.  I'm there with my kids, I'm working.  The worst was the point where you are now.  

    And yes, I didn't believe for a moment I was attractive as a skeletal bald woman, which is what chemo did to me.  You can't hide exhaustion and nausea with scarves.  But time passes and the body recovers.  I don't know what to tell you about how to get through it, except that there really are lots of us who have been there.

  • LKSHER
    LKSHER Member Posts: 209
    edited February 2013

    Thank you, everyone.

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited February 2013

    LK--I am glad that you told your sister what you thought and that you are honest about your emotions and the need to be alone for awhile. When I look back at the onslaught of the "cancer people"--well-intentioned friends and family that thought they knew what I needed--I wish I had stood up for myself and my needs more. I am a people-pleaser. I was thinking the other day that if I have a recurrence, I won't tell anyone so that they can't barrage me again, but that's not the best way to handle it.



    Regarding attractiveness, I'll chime in as the others have to say that I feel attractive. I had a great wig, and having had curly hair, it was interesting to have straight hair for awhile. It's also incredibly easy to wear a wig versus doing your hair. Now I have hair again, but have chosen to keep it short because of the number of compliments I've received on it (it's hard to tell from my picture what it looks like, but it's more of a pixie cut. I have not had recon and am looking at some options now. There weren't any good options at the time of my bmx due to need for rads. Sometimes I do have down moments about the loss of my boobs and hair in private, but I've never felt bad going out in public, to work, etc.



    In terms of treatment options, because you are having such a difficult time right now, perhaps you might have a trusted friend or family member who could look into the trials for you. You certainly do not have to do a trial. I was offered one but was scared of additional chemo. I will say that it was something I could not wrap my head around at the time. I knew nothing about BC, I had no history or risk factors, and I had years of benign mammos.



    Best wishes to you, LK.

  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited February 2013

    LK- I have not read all the responses so I may repeat what others have said. First- it is hard when you are waiting for treatment to start. Things will really get better. Second-Stage III sucks but so many of us make it through treatment and are doing well for years after. Third- I was also a teacher turned sahm and had no risk factors. I was running miles a week and had long hair too. You will be surprised at how strong you are. And, probably the thing you need to hear most: I had 6 lymph nodes along with extra capsular extension(cancer spilling out of a couple nodes!) and it has been SEVEN years since I was diagnosed!

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