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  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited February 2013

    MMSS...your so lucky! Enjoy that sunshine. Remember we need our Vitamin D. Glad to hear your healing well!



    Tami...You deserve a trip to the sunshine states as well for putting up with the drain!

    So you are up to 450cc's now. I just have 300 in and go for another fill next week. I'm thinking two more fills will do it. I just hope I know when to stop with the fills. I just want to look normal and not have people look at me saying, wow, she's got a fake rack. I'm finally getting used to these TE's.



    I'm doing pretty good. Treated myself to a pedicure, at last, and manicure this week. Feels heavenly to have your feet rubbed especially with neuropathy in my toes. Went back to work yesterday. Didn't get overly tired. There were so many flowers on my desk. :) even came home and walked for 30 minutes. I feel as if I have turned a corner in all this madness. My attitude is changed as I'm feeling more positive that I am going to go on and live life as best I can! However, I do struggle with my memory. I don't recall conversations I've had very well. Yikes! And I'm not even drinking!



    Amy.... Hoping your doing well!!

  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited February 2013

    Lmimp64~  I'm sorry to hear about the hospital stay...but glad they know what caused it and that you will be out today!

    Hope~  So glad that going back to work was a good experience for you and that you are feeling better!  Turning the corner is amazing...I can't wait!

    I called the PS and they are squeezing me in at 3:30 today to "look at" the drain...I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

  • Erdwoman
    Erdwoman Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2013

    Tamiami, I pray your drains are out, it is so uplifting these rewards we get.

    Lmimp64, I hope your home and doing well, how much water is to much? Heading into first treatment in one week and I drink a lot of water.

    I had another fill yesterday, 150cc. Rushed home to look at my larger boobs and realized these little misshapen things resembled the face of a walrus (no whiskers).

    It can only get better, right?

  • Erdwoman
    Erdwoman Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2013

    Oh and on a good note, found out they are going to exchange the TE's between chemo and radiation. I thought they were going to make me wait till after all treatments and healing from treatments were done.

  • kkuziel
    kkuziel Member Posts: 191
    edited February 2013

    Got the final word on my oncotype test - low score - so my MO is comfortable with radiation (33 times) and hormone therapy for five years. Grateful to say the least. I do have to have a second surgery on February 22 for larger margins around the DCIS portion of the tumor - Nervous about that and I don't know why - same surgery as the first one with no lymph nodes stuff or unknowns. Apparently you need 4mm of margin and I only had 2.5mm. Bummed to have to repeat this for 1.5mm - but my surgeon feels it's best to get it done and then move on to radiation. Both the radiologist and my MO think it's just a formality - the surgeon wants to do what is considered to be the guideline, and they won't overrule him - All in all if that's the worst news I get for the next six months I will be very grateful indeed. Hoping everyone else is on the mend and will soon be on the uphill part of this journey.

  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited February 2013

    Thanks Erdwoman~  The walrus thing made me laugh!  If I drew 2 eyes on mine they look like scrunched up grumpy old men!

    Kkuziel~  Great news...no chemo!  The 2nd excision should go well and you will be thru this part in no time!

  • Teresa167167
    Teresa167167 Member Posts: 7
    edited March 2014

    I had my BXM with TE's on 2-4  DX:  DCIS & IDC

    *The scar tissue was so excessive from two years ago (lumpectomy) that the radioactive material could not go through all the lymph nodes

    *Instead of doing an axillary sampling – I expected 2 or 3 lymph nodes he had to do an axillary dissection and took 15 lymph nodes…very worried future lymphadema problems

    *The expander could only be 100cc’s

    *I had a reaction to the painkiller that kept me awake – 8 hours of sleep in three days and lots of itching

    *I spent a hour having problems breathing – they told me I was having a panic attack. NO! I had an allergic reaction to one of the medicines..had a blister on my tongue when I woke up

    *The night doctor tried to pull my arm ABOVE my head because he wanted to see if I was bleeding – I’m not supposed to lift my arm up, you idiot!!!!!!!!!

    *It took, two doses of morphine, two doses of benadryl, and two hours before it knocked me out

    *I can’t lay flat (even now) because it causes difficulty breathing

    *They had to stop taking my blood pressure in my leg due to severe cramping.  The pain from the lymph removal is the most horrific pain of my life. The nurses had to stop moving me (sitting up) because the pain was so paralyzing.

    *When we got home from the hospital one of my drains clogged up…after midnight the doctor on call finally returned my call.

    I know that my lymph nodes came out clean, so I should be thankful, but instead I'm angry b/c I'm really worried about lymphadema and mad at myself for being un greatful..have my OT appt in a month.

    I got my drains out today all good, but when I came home, I bent down to pull the rug and I feel like my TE crushed my ribs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Need to drive myself to the doctor on Tuesday, but my siblings think it's too soon!?!?! They rotated days to stay with me for the last two week, but I think it's time I start do things for myself.

    I have not had any conversations yet with my doctors about hormonal therapies; will never do Tamoxifen - I have a blood clotting problem and my mom died of uterine cancer.  Don't know about shutting down my hormones b/c heart disease runs on my dad's side of the family and I don't know if my radiation (from 2 years ago) has affected my heart.  I have  a lot of research and thinking to do in the next few months!

    Took some pain meds a half-hour before I logged on, so sorry if my writing is a little loopy!

    Teresa

  • Shellshine
    Shellshine Member Posts: 1,039
    edited February 2013

    Hi Hope, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner: yes, I had my first fill today.  It didn't hurt at all during the fill, but tonight they feel bigger and a little tender: just call me Blossoming Bosoms! 

    I have two more fills over the next month, then exchange surgery with the new cohesive silicone gel  implant in April, all care done at Kaiser Hawaii.  Aside from one visit it has been sterling care, very organized and high quality. BMX was  9 days after diagnosis and exchange surgery will be 3 months later.

    ~ "BB" ;>

  • Nat23
    Nat23 Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Oh my! I finally got cought up on reading the thread...I fell behind and it seemed I would never catch up! So proud of everyone! I wish there was 'like' botton on this site...I can't address you guys individually (too much to go through) but most did really well! ;) Poor Tami could not seem to get rid of those damn drains! ;( hope u finally have ur last one out!!!



    I'm happy to say that I'm fully recovered from surgery ;) I have really hard time shaving my armpits though because my TEs get in the way. Does anyone else have that problem? I also did not get to have my TEs filled all the way...I only got to 300cc and had to stop for radiation. I had my 3 out of 33 sessions done. 30 more to go! (But who's counting...lol)

    I got pretty sad/emotional before radiation started...I'm so scared of getting really burned, but I'm getting over my pitty party! Feeling better each day. Everyone at RAD office are so nice...I feel bad not wanting to go there...lol



    Anyways...ill try to keep up this time and not fall so behind ;) always thinking if u ladies!

  • Shellshine
    Shellshine Member Posts: 1,039
    edited February 2013

    Hi Hope - I posted a response to you in the wrong forum, reposting it here:

    Hi Hope, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner: yes, I had my first fill today.  It didn't hurt at all during the fill, but tonight they feel bigger and a little tender: just call me Blossoming Bosoms! I'm at 260 ccs.

    I have two more fills over the next month, then exchange surgery with the new cohesive silicone gel  implant in April, all care done at Kaiser Hawaii.  Aside from one visit it has been sterling care, very organized and high quality. BMX was  9 days after diagnosis and exchange surgery will be 3 months later.

    ~ Signing of tonight as "BB"

    ;>

  • AuntieEm
    AuntieEm Member Posts: 30
    edited February 2013

    It's been a few days since I checked in. Amazing all that has gone on...



    I am on round two of AC (RED DEVIL)! It's 2am and its kicking in. Luckily I took my anti-nausea and pain pill before going to bed. Still a little queazy but I'm holding up. I hope I don't have the same horrible experience as the last time... I felt like road kill. We shall see...



    Tami- Great news about the drain. Finally! Sorry to hear about the excess swelling. I hope that gets resolved quickly. It seems like your fills were going so well and now this. Best of luck!



    Teresa- did you have lymph-nodes removed on both sides. If not, why BP from your thigh? So sorry you had such a hard time in the hospital. It sounds like they really did not manage your pain very well. My story was that I am super sensitive to pain meds. Morphine makes me dizzy and crazy nauseous. My husband is a physician and was very specific that they do not give me a morphine pump in recovery. Well guess what I was holding when I woke up from anesthesia? I had a pump in one hand and the nurse call button in the other. I was so loopy from surgery, I kept pressing the button. Although my little brain kept telling me, you are not supposed to have that. After heaven knows how many hours I was finally able to speak up and tell the nurse, I'm nauseous and the room spins every time I open my eyes. Oh, it's probably the morphine. We'll take it away and give you anti- nausea meds in your IV with another pain med. My husband was not a happy camper. The Anti-nausea stuff knocked me out. The little oops kept me in recovery for several hours since I couldn't get my act together to wake-up and go. Your story sounds way worse. I'm so sorry. I too had lymph nodes dissected. 19 to be exact. I can't image moving my arm AT ALL during that time. Thankfully it does get better. I'm almost a month and half out. It's amazing how stiff you get on that side. I used to think I was I excellent shape. Now I'm happy to be able to get my arm few inches over my head each day. But I look back to where i was and i have come a long way. you will see for yourself. As for the lymphedema, i get worried as well. My appointment with OT is not until late March and i am planning on traveling. My SO has told me the the method he used to remove my nodes has proven to be pretty successful in not resulting in lymphedema by over 85% but I'm still scared. I'm pretty thin. I'd look very strange with a giant ballon arm. BTW my sister had bc 6 years ago. She had a lumpectomy with 17 lymphnodes removed and she is fine. She works out a lot and has had no problems. However, I did go ahead and ordered a sleeve for my trip to hold me over until OT. Better to be safe than sorry. Anyways, you're at a good place. These women are amazing and a wealth of information. I've learned so much! Hang I there! I wish you the very best!



    Blessings and prayers to all!



    Emily

  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited February 2013

    Teresa~  Sorry to hear about your rough time, but Emily is exactly right when she says that it gets better!  It's hard to believe it right now, but in 3-4 weeks you will look back at this with a different view.  Good luck to you!

    Nat~  Glad you are all caught up!  LOL!!!  It gets away from you doesn't it!  Yes, I finally got my last drain out, and I already feel better!  I had something funny happen when she removed it...my breast made a squeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkk sound for about 10 seconds after the drain came out!  I looked at the PS wide eyed, and she just said, "it happens"!  Kinda like what someone would say to you if you accidentally passed gas and looked mortified!  I laughed so hard!  I think that was a turning point on my mood too!  God works in mysterious ways!

    BB~  So envious of your journey!  I'm happy that everything is going so well for you.  I hope you continue to post, so that women that are newly diagnosed will see that some people really do fly through this.  Super envious that you are in Hawaii...definately on my list of places to visit!

    Emily~  I'm thinking of you and hoping that the following chemo treatments treat you well, it's a road that I'm thankful I don't have to travel.  I think about all of you strong ladies that have so much more to deal with than just surgery and reconstruction, and feel silly with any complaining.  But I also realize that we all have been dealt the cards we are meant to have, and I am humbled to watch how awesome you all play your hands...it is a lesson for all of us!  Hang in there!

    As for me, I was finally able to measure my ribcage so I could post to Whippetmom in the reconstruction forum, and see what her advice is for implant size and type.  I'm loving these past 18 hours drain-free!  Hitting the treadmill (lightly) tomorrow, and I can't wait!  I've got 30 pounds to lose!!! 

    Tami

  • josie123
    josie123 Member Posts: 1,817
    edited February 2013

    Hello all.I haven't posted lately because it's been a little quiet on this thread until recently.I figured everyone is getting on with their next steps of tx or their lives.I posted on Rads thread for the first time but no one responded.I met with my genetic testing nurse at my MO office.She talked with me in great length about my family history of Breast Cancer.She told me that if I came back positive for BRAC that my risk of secondary BC would be 63% and she also mentioned that if it came back positive they would suggest that I have my Ovaries and tubes removed because I would also be at a higher risk of OvarianCA .Then she took my blood and had to stick m







    e twice.My arm looks like I was beat up or something.Bruising doesn't even half describe it.Overall it was a little scary and what got me worried the most she asked me if I planned to get a Mastectomy since my risk of BC again would increase if positive.I told her it was probably not an option for me right now.She said if I went through Rads first then later on down the road decided on Masectomy it my chances of Reconstruction may not be very good.Will I regret my Rads down the road?Will I wish I had a Masect

    omy vs lumpectomy? I was all ready in the mindset of getting my Rads and getting on with my life.Anyone else have Rads and still get

  • josie123
    josie123 Member Posts: 1,817
    edited February 2013

    Sorry my kindle has a mind of its own and it wouldn't let me edit my post.What I meant to saw was has anyone regretted Rads because they decided on a Masectomy later on and wasn't able to get reconstruction.Update on my Father in law had a bone marrow biopsy and it came back positive for Multiple Myeloma.So my husband has had as lot to deal with lately.I'm the type that I actually like to keep him informed on my health and try and share with him my problems.I think he was overwhelmed the other night.

  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited February 2013

    Josie...I do not have to have rads since I did have a total Masectomy. But my circumstances are different than yours. I would talk it over with your onc and get their opinion. Most people like you that have a lumpectomy and then rads and go on to live full lives. I know so many people personally including my sister in your situation that are 12-20 years out with no reoccurence! But I would still talk it over with your onc.



    Sorry about your father in law! Geez...your poor DH.

  • fight4two
    fight4two Member Posts: 146
    edited February 2013

    Hi Josie.  My plastic surgeon implied that if I get radiation, I won't be able to get reconstruction at a later date via tissue expanders and that I'd have to go the flap route.  I didn't ask too many questions, because I was set on the quadrantectomy with mastoplexy.  Maybe ask about flap possibilities?

    Has anyone else been having cording issues?  I've read online that its a pretty common complication after lymph node removal, but neither my BS or PS seem to be familiar with the problem and just seem perplexed when I show them my armpit cording.  And my MO said it was a vein.  No one seems concerned about it (but me!).  It hurts A LOT when I move in certain positions, otherwise no pain at all.  The intense pain from pit to elbow has moved down and now its from elbow to wrist.  I can see the cord pop out in my inner elbow now too (in those certain positions).  I have been limited in my exercises, not by my shoulder, but by the pain in my elbow! I am worried, as I will need to be flexible soon to get into position for radiation (plus it would be nice to be able to move without pain!)  I have asked for a PT but have yet to hear from one, and they will just be giving me a regular PT trained in upper body mobility, not trained in BC and lymphedema.  UGGGGHHH...

  • Lmimp64
    Lmimp64 Member Posts: 219
    edited February 2013

    Fightfortwo, look for a pt who only works with breast issues and lymphodema. Mine has been great. I'm not sure where you live, but try to search for one. Best wishes.

  • fight4two
    fight4two Member Posts: 146
    edited February 2013

    Lmimp64 - I think I'm limited by who I can have since I have an HMO and have to be referred to the PT.  I guess I could pay out of pocket, but not sure how expensive that would be.

  • Lmimp64
    Lmimp64 Member Posts: 219
    edited February 2013

    Fightfortwo, we have a great place for PT and many other things here in Atlanta where it is free. Many women I know use it and say their pt is fantastic. It's called turning point. http://myturningpoint.org/

    I wonder if there is any place like that near you, or if they would know of a similar organization near you.

  • Di2012
    Di2012 Member Posts: 925
    edited February 2013

    Hi Ladies,

    I thought I would join in since I had one surgery so far this year and looking forward to my surgery in April to get these hard stiff, painful expanders OUT of my body! (with replacement of permanent squishys)  Recovery from this surgery has been 100 times worse than BMX, as I was doing 100 modified push ups each day about a week and a half after BMX, and I still can not do one and it is almost 4 weeks post expander surgery.

    My fills have been delays as my PS is in Maui for several weeks, which has also pushed back his surgery schedule

    I am now growing hard painful boobs under my arms and still have "puggy face"  (rt boob) and the "big dent", in the former cancer side (leftie).

    In a week and a half I hope that fill will start filling up the loose skin that was saved when I had my BMX, and start going upward, rather than under my arms.

    Di

  • Shellshine
    Shellshine Member Posts: 1,039
    edited February 2013

    Yes, I agree with you: the TE's are quite uncomfortable compared to MX!

    I had a Milestone today: returned  to low-impact Jazzercise class for the 1st time at 3 weeks post-op. YAHOOOO! My PS cleared me yesterday - but no upper body weights for 2 more weeks. 

  • trailertrash
    trailertrash Member Posts: 22
    edited February 2013

    To Tamiami, HELL, you've been through a lot! Optimism may come & go, it sure would in me, with the drain in for such a long time. And with the other setbacks. Crap.

    I think having the drains out was a really happy time. 

    I'm so sorry you've grown an extra breast on the side, that would be a huge pain! I'm sure LE therapy will make it go away, but I don't think it is quite that fast. Can you have a little more time off from work?

  • trailertrash
    trailertrash Member Posts: 22
    edited February 2013

    To Di2012,

    Amazing to me, that you could do pushups--I'm 5 weeks out, and it'll be a few more days at least before I could do that. The burning pain under the whole chest skin makes me hold off on chest exercise. I do take long walks with a strong dog, with the leash tied around my waist. but chest exercises? No flippin' WAY.

    Neurontin is helping the burning a lot, no side effects to speak of. Doing the long walks, bicep, tricep & back exercises. But even slight pushing/pulling makes the burning come back. I respect pain as a signal to back off, so none of that for me. Yet :-)


  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited February 2013

    Trailertrash~  Like I said, I feel trivial complaning about what I've gone though when I think about what some of the rest of our group are going through.  I assume that my road has been pretty normal, but I just wrote about it more!  LOL! 

    On that note, I'm feeling pretty good today...definitely sleeping better without the drain.  I'm going to go meet my HS girlfriends for drinks this afternoon...we try to get together a couple times a year, and always do a girls weekend in the summer up in Traverse City. It should be interesting since I haven't had a drink since diagnosis in November! 

    Hope you all are enjoying the weekend!

  • Erdwoman
    Erdwoman Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2013

    I have a delemma that I would like your opinions on. I had one node that showed "some" cancer cells. Onc highly suggest doing axillary biopsies. If 4 or more show more cells then we do radiation, otherwise if clean no radiation. He said "if there are cancer cells don't you want them out?". BS says he is not sure if he would be that radical, taking them out has no change in my long term outcome, it is diagnostic not therapeutic. If I choose not to remove them it is automatic rad. If I choose to remove them it is 50/50. I am afraid of the possible Side effect of removing them, and yet another surgery, but I don't want rad either. I start chemo next week and have until completion to decide.



    All in all I have been doing pretty good, right now I feel almost normal. Iq can even sleep on my left side for short periods of time. Getting out and walking everyday and starting to resume normal life again. I know once chemo start it all changes again, but loving it right now.



    Some of you have been having some real challenges, stay strong and know that soon 2013 is going to be but a blip in our lives.

  • Shellshine
    Shellshine Member Posts: 1,039
    edited February 2013

    Dear Erwoman,

    This is a very tough decision before you.

    If you haven't already, read the "Staging of Breast Cancer" on this website (Home → Symptoms & Diagnosis → Your Diagnosis → Stages of Breast Cancer), especially the section on lymph nodes.  

    If you are the type of person who wants to read the results of clinical studies, the National Cancer Institute is a good resource. Type in "breast cancer lymph nodes." Don't get overwhelmed if it's too much information, you can take your time and go back to read study results in smaller doses.

    I'm wondering if it is possible to do a "staged" lymph node dissection process: remove nodes that are closest to the sentinal nodes, have them evaluated by pathology while you are still in the procedure, then stop when they are negative. I don't know the anatomy of breast lymph node sequence, but it's worth it to ask. 

    So glad you are feeling better and that you can wait until after chemo to consider the right decision for you. Please let us know how you are doing.

  • whenlifegivesyoulemons
    whenlifegivesyoulemons Member Posts: 184
    edited February 2013

    Butting in to January again, sorry. I figure you all will be in a better position to know the answer to this question.  I'm wondering what drain output measurement the docs look for to determine when the drain can be removed? 

    Tomorrow I'll be 7 days out from my MX with TE.  I have one drain that I notice has slowed substantially in the last 24 hours, so much so that it really only needs looking after once a day.  I'm not scheduled to see my surgeon until Thursday, but I wonder if my reduced drain output might make me eligible to have it removed before then.  I'd LOVE to get rid of this thing sooner than later!

  • Di2012
    Di2012 Member Posts: 925
    edited February 2013

    "Lemons"

    I am sure each surgeon has their "own " requirements, but My drains were taken out when my drains were 5ML and 15ML in 24 hrs (10 days post BMX).....(I did not have TE at the time of BMX).....my PS made me wait one month and I had NO DRAIN when they were put in place.

    Di

  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited February 2013

    Lemons~  I absolutely love your avitar!  My PS and most that I've heard about are looking for less that 30cc's output in 24 hours. 

  • whenlifegivesyoulemons
    whenlifegivesyoulemons Member Posts: 184
    edited February 2013

    Di2012 and Tamiami - Thanks for your response!

    I do like my avatar, but it's in need of an update after this week.  If only I had image editing software so I could add a scar across one lemon...

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