January 2013 chemo group

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  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    I don't know what that is on cauliflower but I always shave it off with a sharp vegetable knife.  

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited April 2014

    Thank you Lee!  And you've seen it also on your Trader Joe's cauliflower?

    Everyone's talking about that wig website, so I just ordered myself a wig from there.  I have a wig that I truly love, but the edges of it are dry now, and the top part at hairline become a little sparse.  I've had it for 10 months and have gotten great use out of it.

    I ordered the Javant Lace Front Wig by Vivica Fox.  It is long, no bangs, just like my former hair.  

    My question, is, on the site it says to attach lace hairline to head with toupee tape.  Is that what you all are doing?  With my other wig, the boutique cut the lace up to the hair line and I've never had to tape or glue anything to my forehead. Although it does slide around sometimes, is that what I've been missing.  This tape?  LOL

    Do you think that I will be able to be cut that lace front?  Gosh, I can't believe the price.  This is crazy.  I spent $239.50 on my last wig and thought that was a good deal. I'm liking this $53.95 price!  It will be a few more months before I can color my hair.  I don't know when to start coloring it.  I wil be 1 year post-treatment April 5th, so wanted to get past that date for sure.

    I just finished my vegetables.  A huge bowl of them - it might have been 3 cups or 4 cups.  This was the first time I haven't really enjoyed them.  I think I'm feeling deprived, but I've had too many "rewards" this week, so I will just have to deal with it.

    I'm looking forward to an afternoon snack later.  I like the Trader Joe's steel cut oatmeal, and I use 1 little packet of sugar in the raw for sweetness.

    In between I will have to do my workout.  I've waiting too long to do it today, it's now 12:30pm.

  • cancernoway
    cancernoway Member Posts: 90
    edited February 2013

    LeeA - I'm an avid Antique collector.  Antique bicycles, cars, car related items, sheriff stars, radios, coolers, plaid picnic baskets, spurs, saddles (we live on a farm), wooden shipping boxes, strollers, etc, kind of eclectic, but if I like it and I can get a good deal on it, I will buy it.  Some things I keep, others are to resell.  I agree, the hunt is a big part of the fun.  Love Coca Cola stuff and RC Cola as well.  Your trays are worth good money.  We hit the local flea markets here and cruise craigslist. 

    Skimommi - Love Emergen-C thanks for the tip! Kiwi Strawberry is my fave!

    I hope everyone is doing well today.  Major steroid buzz so my house is getting a once over.  Hoping for good things.  Good luck to all.

  • Skigirl72
    Skigirl72 Member Posts: 478
    edited February 2013

    is anyone doing something special to boost your WBC? I'm a bit freaked out that mine was ao low 1.4. surgery day ir was 5.4. ugh I dont want to postpone a tx or get the neulesta shot.

  • bcfree2013
    bcfree2013 Member Posts: 94
    edited February 2013

    Skigirl, my WBC is low though I got the naulesta shot. I heard eating more beef can help, but my nurse says there is nothing I can do. I just need to watch out for a fever.

  • kimmeam
    kimmeam Member Posts: 10
    edited February 2013

    LeeA I have not tried the claritan. I am taking allegra & benedryl for the nasty rash that I get about 3 days after. I will try the claritan & see if that helps.

    I have the Neulasta shot the following day after each chemo. It does sting. but is supposed to keep the wbc up. I guess it's worth it...

  • cancernoway
    cancernoway Member Posts: 90
    edited February 2013

    Skigirl - Protein, Protein, Protein.  Also, is your iron low as well?  My WBC day of treatment was 12.4 which is on the high side, but I take the Neulasta shot and the steroid gives me an extra boost, but my iron was low.  I try to add beef in my diet even though it tastes like ass right now only because I know it will help with my WBC.  Do you take a multi-vitamin?  Yogurt, dark meat turkey, meatloaf, FISH is excellent.  Zinc is the key to increasing your WBC.  I found this link on LIVESTRONG.com.  Pretty informative.  http://www.livestrong.com/article/539574-foods-that-enhance-white-blood-cells/  Good luck.

  • cancernoway
    cancernoway Member Posts: 90
    edited February 2013

    Skigirl - I also read that stress tanks your WBC - not sure how, but I read it on three different places and if you can add 30 - 60 minutes of exercise it forces your body to create WBC.  What can it hurt at this point?  Although, they need to shove that stress thing unless they have been in our shoes.  I hope you get your happy pills and that you start to feel better soon.  I'm glad that things are going well at work and I'm sure everyone is soooooo happy to see you.

  • Skigirl72
    Skigirl72 Member Posts: 478
    edited February 2013

    I am definitely getting my exercise at work. lol. I am going to start walking more. Maybe that will help.

  • MandyNJ
    MandyNJ Member Posts: 73
    edited February 2013

    Ok update on me. My nausea got worse. It was hard to lift my head up unsupported. I drank at least 80 and up to 100 oz of water each day but I guess it wasn't enough i just came back from the hospital for a round of fluids, decadron, and aloxi. I'm about 50% better than when I left. I can handle fatigue. I'm a big old weenie when it comes to nausea.

  • martha323
    martha323 Member Posts: 79
    edited February 2013

    MandyJ Sorry to hear about your nausea. Yuck. Not what you or any of us need on top of everything else! What did you get IV before your infusion and what did they send you home with? I don't deal well with nausea either. If your drug combo doesn't work well, they'll try others. Do you have Zofran?

    What has worked for me (so far) is IV Decadron, Emend, and Palonositron (Aloxi), before the infusion (and some Ativan as well because I'm an anxious person and don't want to give in to the occasional urge to get up and leave!) For home I have Zofran, Compazine, and Ativan. I used the Zofran for three or four days as prescribed. A couple of nights after I got home I used Ativan to help me get back to sleep because I was wired.Same protocol this time at the bar. I'm taking the same chemo as you dose dense.

    I was wicked constipated first time around, but after receiving some good advice about Miralax, as well as Ducolax, on this board, eventually all went back to kind of normal. And this time I'm starting Miralax today (AC #2 was yesterday.)

    Each of us respond so differently to meds ... I hope that your doctors will help find what works for you.

    Your fellow weenie send hugs and best wishes for a timely solution,

    Martha

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited April 2014

    Mandy, so glad to see that you are back home!  I hope you're feeling better.

    Is an option to control the nausea having the meds dripped slower?  I had this done.  Would that help you afterwards any? I remember my Oncologist saying that once nausea starts, our minds will take off from their, and actually create more nausea feeling.  He gave me a prescription that is like a relaxer/anti-nausea in one.  It works by first calming you down, and then that helps keep the nausea at bay.  It is trial and error with each person, and I really hope you find what works best.  Also, sometimes water on an empty stomach can cause more nausea.  Are you eating anything while you are drinking water?  Maybe keep something next to your water, such as Lorna Doone cookies.  They will make you really thirsty, while putting a little cushion into your stomach. 

    - chemo nausea

  • ywheels22
    ywheels22 Member Posts: 230
    edited February 2013

    I am on the Feb board but hopped over here to read up on those of you more experienced with all this.

    Bryona and Nicole: you both said cycle 3 of AC is the worst (gulp!). I will have cycle 2 this Wednesday. I did okay with the AC. Very little nausea, but the Nuelasta shot had me curled up in a ball all of Day 3 (fri) and most of Day 4 (Sat). I got pain meds (percoset) to help allievate it. I also am on dose dense, every other Wednesday x4. Start Taxol on cycle 5, again dose dense x4.

    Any insights from you veteran BC butt kickers would be great. I know we all react differently but even though I got through cycle 1 I am already anxious about the effects of 2-4. Does it change, stay the basically the same, get worse, better? Ugh!!! Thank you!

  • MandyNJ
    MandyNJ Member Posts: 73
    edited February 2013

    Thanks Debra, my fellow weenie! Haha!



    My premeds were emend, aloxi, and decadron. For home I have compazine and zofran. My onc said that, unfortunately, this is going to happen with every treatment so she's gotta figure something out. I feel a lot better. I have a lot of head pain, but I really want to say that's from the decadron. My jaw and skull feel ... I don't know, maybe tender/sore is the best description but not sure if it's strong enough.



    Then again, I may not know what I'm talking about. My husband was just on steroids for a severe ear infection and he had the jaw pain I have now. I also googled it like any self respecting google-degreed-doctor. :)

  • martha323
    martha323 Member Posts: 79
    edited February 2013

    Greetings, does anyone get the Decadron flush and slight puff face? The same thing happened after my first AC. The onc oncall reassured me again this time that unless it gets worse, it's a side effect and it will go down in a couple of days like last time. Don't know why it bothers me so much ... I just want to go make a meatloaf and not be pre-occupied .. grrrrr ...then again it is night time.

    Thanks all,

    Martha

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2013

    ROFL!  "Self-respecting Google Degreed Doctor"  .... funny!

  • Bryona
    Bryona Member Posts: 214
    edited February 2013

    Mandy, I'm so sorry to hear you're having such trouble. If anyone deserves an easy ride, it's you. I hope your MO figures out a way to get this under control. Big, big ((((hugs)))).

  • Jubby
    Jubby Member Posts: 85
    edited February 2013

    Day 3 post chemo for me and like you LeeA, my steroids finished last night and I agree with you that "This is when my body starts feeling like a stranger to me". I hate the first week after treatment. I feel so disconnected. Meditation is impossible and I just lie around like a sloth. How are you ladies exercising in the days straight after treatment? You amaze and inspire me!

    My mouth feels like I have eaten a dead rat and I'm on my salt craving mission. No bowel spasms this time but I am chugging back the Miralax like water. My body and brain are not my own. I took the Claratin this time. How many days post treatement do I keep it up for LeeA? I have taken it day before Neulasta and 2 days post. Do I need to keep it going any longer?

    Mandy, glad the trip to hospital for fluids has helped your nausea. You're coming out the other side now. I am in the "Oh my God, how am I going to do 4 more of these" phase at the moment. I keep reminding myself that in a week, I will feel OK again. Your skull pain could also be the Neulasta. Apparently bones in the skull produce a lot of bone marrow (as do the breast bones, pelvis and long leg bones).

    We are at the beach at my in-laws post this treatment. My new post chemo strategy is that my mother-in-law (who should receive a sainthood when she dies) collects me after my Neulasta shot and brings me to her place at the beach (about and hour from Melbourne) for 2 nights so she can take care of the kids while I veg and my husband works. He then joins me after work on the Friday night.

    We went to the beach very early this morning and I swam in the ocean for the first time in ages. I took off my hat and nude-nutted it into the water. It felt so liberating. It's hot here (34 & 36 tmrw) That's 93-96 USA ladies. Floating along in the water was heaven and it's inspired me to plan a beach holiday later in the year once all of this chemo hoo ha is over. There was hardly anyone on the beach at 9am but even if there had been, I really couldn't have cared.

    My hair is very sparse. I suspect like yours Oliver Hog - about 10% left. I had to put suncreen on my scalp at the beach. LOL. The sun here in Australia is brutal and skin cancer is not one I want to add to my list! I have very big eyes normally but sans hair they look like saucers!! I have my eyebrows and eyelashes still and wonder if it's the Lumigan I have been using. Skimommi, my Onc had never heard of it either when I asked for the script initially. Perhaps we are pioneering this technology?!! When I have zero lashes and brows at the end of round 6, I might understand why my Onc had never heard of it!

    This treatment I have taken Ativan at night and am pleased to see I am not alone. I think it has helped alleviate some of the nausea anxiety which is a plus.

    Only one more FEC (red devil) and then onto the Taxotere. I am hoping the nausea is better on the Taxotere. Bryona, I am really excited about FEC # 3 after hearing your woes - NOT! You poor darling. I hope the fog is lifting.

    Take care chemo comrades and here's to quick side effect elimination!

    J xox

  • teacherjulief
    teacherjulief Member Posts: 16
    edited February 2013

    Jubby - the beach sounds wonderful. I took Claritin one day before and three days after, and I did fine with the Neulasta. I have only had one treatment, though. We will see how #2 goes.

  • MandyNJ
    MandyNJ Member Posts: 73
    edited February 2013

    Thanks for telling me about the skull pain possibly being neulasta. They only told me the long bones. I tried searching the boards for where others had their pain but it was a futile search.



    My bone pain has been in my shoulder blades, my jaw, my skull, and my hips. No long bones. When Chris put his hands on my shoulders I nearly jumped out of my shoes.

  • MandyNJ
    MandyNJ Member Posts: 73
    edited February 2013

    Jubby - that sounds fantastic. You definitely need help with the kids. If my mother in law had a beach house, I know she'd do the same. She's here at least once a week now, as is my sister in law, mother, and aunt in law, because Chris works the night shift.

  • cancernoway
    cancernoway Member Posts: 90
    edited February 2013

    Mandy - my pain was in my hip and my neck. It wasn't terrible, but wasn't comfortable.



    Jubby - my one day twin, here's hoping my day 2 and 3 are good and I get past without the nausea. The beach sounds fantastic though and can't say that I'm not jealous since it snowed here today.

  • cancernoway
    cancernoway Member Posts: 90
    edited February 2013

    Martha - I get flush face and a little puffy everytime with the steroid. And my mouth runs like a ducks butt. Ticks me off.

  • Nicole503
    Nicole503 Member Posts: 295
    edited February 2013

     ywheels22 ~ I'm sorry to hear that my posts about my journey with AC are making you anxious!  Let me try to help.

    First off, everyone reacts differently.  Your journey with AC might be much easier than mine. I am hopeful that by sharing what I've learned, you might have an easier road.

    My best recommendation is to pay close attention to your journey after your 2nd treatment on Wednesday.  Notice carefully any new side effects, and consider calling your MO immediately if anything feels troubling.  To the degree that you can protect things like your stomach, mouth, anus, overall achiness, energy level, mental health etc. you will be more resilient going into your final AC rounds.  Consider asking for medication that can take the edge off any particularly bad times (such as Ativan) and don't hesitate to take it ~~ you want to protect and preserve your resiliency.

    My next recommendation is to rest more than you think you need to, drink as much as you possibly can, say "no" to anything and everything that taxes you (that you are able to), surround yourself with good friends and positive people, cultivate a good repertoire of distractions (there has never been a better time to have a Netflix subscription!), and consider spray painting on your wall the words of a good friend of mine: "This is temporary.  Just keep breathing".

    You will make it through AC and you will emerge on the other side with your self intact and breast cancer cells decimated.  Don't worry too much about the future.  Find the grace and the possibilities in the present moment.

    Most of all, please know that we are all wishing you well.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    Jubby, I took Claritin a couple of days before and three or four days after - just about the same as teacherjulief.  

    I love the image of you enjoying the sea/salt water.  I can't think of a more perfect place to recover from each treatment.  They say negative ions are really good for us and supposedly they're abundant on seashores.  

    cancernoway, lol @ the duck saying.  Just when I think I've heard them all.  Also, I really enjoyed your post about your collections.  

    ==

    I've gone from crack monkey to sickish puppy, as was inevitable.  It reminds me of that old seventies song "here comes that rainy day feeling again" but instead it's "here comes this chemo-sh*t feeling again."  

    Wishing you all well this Friday night.  Keep up the good fight.  

    -

  • InspiredbyDolce
    InspiredbyDolce Member Posts: 1,181
    edited February 2013

    Where else can we find negative ions?  That is so interesting!

    Jubby, what a great image you have painted for us.  I am also loving your M-I-L!

  • Bryona
    Bryona Member Posts: 214
    edited February 2013

    Lee, that may be my favorite picture ever. There's our t-shirt, ladies! I'm picturing it with the cartoon skimommi posted of the cellular insurgent under attack on one sleeve, and of course AFGO on the other.

    Jubby, here's hoping that FEC#3 (or, as I think of it, fecking #3) doesn't hit you too hard. I don't know how these amazing women are exercising right after tx, either -- today, my big exercise was walking from the sofa to the kitchen and back, and I needed about an hour to recover each time. Holy crap! I have to say, I love your self-care plan for after your treatments, and hooray for your MIL! (But I don't envy you the temperatures...)

    Nicole, that's wonderful advice for ywheels22. You're right, of course, that we all react differently, and we never know when the badness will hit. I had a pretty easy time with the first two rounds (relatively speaking, mostly because I didn't have nausea). Just so you know, I'm grateful that I read your posts, even if they were a little daunting. I'd be terrified of how I'm feeling right now if I hadn't had clues from you and Soteria that this round might be a whole different world. So, thanks for being the one who went before and helped prepare me for the battle.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    InspiredbyDolce - 

    Re: negative ions - here's a link: 

    http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/negative-ions-create-positive-vibes

    I don't think of myself as a new ager (in the least) but after I felt the lump (and before the biopsy) I ordered a Himalayan salt lamp and put it in the bedroom.  They supposedly generate negative ions.  I think it all started when the acupuncturist I was going to suggested these insanely expensive negative ion pajamas from Japan which I did not order!  

    Anyway, waterfalls, seashores - maybe that's why I've come to love Kauai so much?  Well, that and how beautiful the north shore is.  

  • Jubby
    Jubby Member Posts: 85
    edited February 2013

    Loving loving loving loving the poster Lee.  Awesome. 

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    Re: exercise - I missed four days of it during treatment number two and today wasn't easy.  My shins felt like they were on fire and my miles per hour was really slow (I'm never very fast as it is). 

    Also, AC seems to be a completely different animal although my friend who has had a recurrence said she had an easier time with AC than TCH; however, she was five or six years older for the TCH.  It seems like these chemicals react differently in each one of us and even behave differently per treatment in each of us. 

    But on the bright side - those two little insect lumps (smaller than a pea - one on each leg) have completely flattened out.  I feel certain it's the chemo.  Plus, my cuticles seem to have stopped growing like they used to do, which is great (just trying to look on the bright side).

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