Want to go vegan but have some concerns

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    Not infections. Your white count increases to fight off the natural bacteria that is found in meat and dairy.  I'm looking for the scholarly article that  I found to show to my MO--can't find it yet.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    IOW, it's not necessarily abnormal for a vegan/vegetarian to have WBCs in the lower ranges of normal, or even to be a bit out of range.  When my MO and gyno began to exclaim over my readings, I freaked out--thinking I had something terribly wrong with me--the cancer was back, or something else (you know--worry), and so I did a lot of research, then called my naturopath.  My fears were really for nothing, after I found out that vegan's/vegetarian's WBC can't really be equated with a normal American's, because our diets are so different.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    Yes, Claire, I can imagine that scared you and I understand that it is not necessarily sign of something terribly wrong if someone is vegan or vegetarian. Also, my impression is that it is pretty common for cancer patients to have somewhat depressed WBCs regardless of diet. I know mine are on the low side after chemo, and so are my mom's, although we do eat some meat and dairy.

    However, I am very dubious about the bacteria in meat explanation and some of the other stuff I saw bandied about when I googled. Most likely the low counts are, in fact, due to low intake of B12 and protein. Check out the Livestrong article I posted.

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    claireinaz, I didn't mean to sound offensive or defensive (even if YOUR post sounds rather defensive), I just put out facts. Once I will get back on track with my weight, I will go back to my vegetarian diet. I didn't say ALL soy is GMO, I didn't say anyone on this thread said that vegan means no cancer. Also, I didn't say "Low B-12 and chemo-brain?", I said "Does your "chemobrain" persist? It's not the chemobrain, it's the lack of B12." The symptoms are quite similar, and it's a known fact in the medical world. Do you REALLY need references for that? A simple google search will give you all the references you need.

    All I said is that everybody is different, and has different health issues, and different metabolism. As there are no identical tumors, and not everybody's body responds to treatment the same. For some a "meatatarian" diet might do better for them than a vegetarian one. For others, it's the opposite.

    Edit: PS. FYI, just because I didn't get my alternative therapy medical degree in the US but in Eastern Europe, doesn't make my knowledge futile - on the contrary, I would say. The geographical area where I was born and raised and educated puts a LOT more emphasis in the natural way.

    I suggest you read again the last paragraph of my post. That should give you all the answers.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    I think I'm done here, ladies....This was a simple thread about my concerns about returning to veganism, and now the latest posts feel "prickly".  I'm certainly not defensive about anything I've posted, but I dislike being accused of it, when I simply asked Day if that's how she meant to sound. 

    This shouldn't have been about who is more right or wrong.  Life's too short to have discussion turn into what feels like a competition.

    Claire in AZ

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Claire, I didn't mean to offend you. All I said was to make sure you do all your research and see a good nutritionist. You might do good going vegetarian/vegan, but on the other hand, doing so you might find you are lacking certain nutrients. This is not a yes/no answer without knowing ALL the information about someone. If you wanted just replies confirming your desire, you should have said so in the beginning and save everybody's time. It takes a desire to help, interest and the will to spend some time doing some research and taking your time writing a post in order to give good (or what we perceive is good) information. This is not a competition, but again, if you wanted just a bunch of "yes, you should be fine"s from the start, you should have defined that in the OP. I feel I have just wasted time giving you pertinent information just to be accused that I want to be in some kind of competition. I dont' post here to make myself look good - that is totally absurd, I don't know personally any of the ladies here, and it's not my character to looks for fans online. I have a lot of stuff to do and I only come and post on this forum in order to try and help others.

    Good luck in your future endeavors and do whatever you have already decided before posting the OP.

  • jojo68
    jojo68 Member Posts: 881
    edited February 2013

    In my ongoing reseacrh I am learning that hard tumors such as breast, prostate etc...fare much better on a vegan diet with no dairy than a meat diet.  Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez is a very prevalent cancer Doc in the US and has great success with his therapy using supplements and certain diets with different cancers....

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited February 2013

    Dr. Gonzalez doesn't prescribe diets according to tumor type.

    He prescribes according to the patient's metabolic type, sympathetic or parasympathetic dominant, etc.

    You can probably Google the breakdown of types. I seem to remember four types. Some are mixed. I know he has some patients he prescribes a lot of meat, others he prescribes vegan.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited February 2013

    I have been having really high BP for the last few days. Seeing my internist on Wednesday. I don't understand the BP problem as I'm on medication, but did change to a new one recently. The internist will probably not like my being a vegan (except for eating fish) It will be interesting to see what he says.  I have also been having dizzy spells lately, am wondering if I'm lacking protein?

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited February 2013

    @dogsandjogs, those dizzy spells might be caused by your new medication. The American Heart Association website says some BP meds have dizziness as a side effect. You might want to ask your doctor about that at your appointment on Weds.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited February 2013

    Thanks Curveball, I will ask him. I know all the drugs I've been on have caused some dizziness at first, but I'm more concerned this time due to the high BP the last few days. And also, my feet swell when I'm jogging. That has never happened before.

    But I called the office on Thursday and asked if I should move up my appt. and she said no. So if they aren't worried, I guess I shouldn't be either!

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