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  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Sbelizabeth......AWESOME NEWS, we'll be recovery buds, I'm 3 days before you. I know how much you have wanted this, so it's great you weren't told you have months to wait!

    Bleugirl....sucks about the seroma. How long did your drains stay in?

    ElizabethinPa....understandable that you came away frustrated and feeling "unlistened to" by the PA. However, as frustrating as it must be, it does sound like the PS has good reasons not to jump onto diep as a solution, given that your pain is atypical. How long a wait is it for the pain specialist appt? Sounds like she didn't absolutely rule out a flap, just wants to be sure it would resolve your pain issues. Yes, disappointing, for sure, but does sound like good medical practice. Hang in there.

    Kiwimum...sounds like great progress for you. Just wondering, have you been using a recliner or a regular bed? I understand you aren't quite upright yet while on your feet, but are you able to lie flat yet? Or is that rushing things? 

    Marty..or anyone...do you know if they encourage you to try lying flat before you are standing straight? It seems we probably spend more time "lying" than "standing" for a number of weeks after surgery, and maybe that makes it harder to get straightened up? I know we aren't supposed to force it though.

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2013

    My doc prefers that we not rush anything.  Lying flat vs standing straight is really about the same level of difficulty.  While it is challenging for your back to walk hunched over, straightening too quickly can (I think) cause the scar to stretch more than necessary and place stress on the abdominal areas that were invaded.  Your body will straighten faster than you think it will.  I slept with knees bent and head elevated for 6 - 8 weeks (just more comfortable) although I was walking fairly straight after about 3 weeks.  I kind of went back and forth between bent and straight. My doc anticipates the back problems by prescribing flexerall.  I tried to tough it out and only take it when I absolutely needed it.  At 8 weeks out, we took a trip and slept in a comfy hotel bed.  Unfortunately, after about 3 nights my back/right hip just yelled at me anytime I moved.  The flexerall was my best friend.

    Don't try too hard to anticipate and plan for everything.  Surprises do sneak in.  The biggest challenge is giving up control and not trying to get an "A".  That way you will give yourself plenty of opportunity to heal gently.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Marty...great advice, thanks. Probably normal for those of us in the "waiting room" to try to plan for every possibility, when in reality, we are all so different that although similar, we will each have our own timelines. SOOOooooo tired of waiting.....59 days and counting.

  • keznick
    keznick Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Hi ladies, well happy to say the worst is behind me now (I hope and pray!). Surgery was on Thursday morning and I left the hospital Sunday afternoon (man, I was counting the hours and minutes to get out of there). I don't want to tell any horror stories as I would hate to freak anyone out but there was a couple hiccups in my procedure. First off, it took them an hour to get an IV into my arm. That was probably the most painful thing. The guy kept apologizing and then kept jabbing me as blood ran out of my arm in several spots. He blamed it on chemo, but I'm thinking he was doing something wrong.

    Surgery also went 6 hours (instead of 5) due to one of the nurses not knowing the names of all the instruments and causing a slow down. After that I was in recovery for 3 hours (instead of 45 minutes or so). The morphine was making me pretty sick but the worst pain was from the frozen shoulder I've had for the past couple years. I've been going to physio every week and we had stopped working on that arm (left) and were focused on the right, but it was the left that was killing me when I woke up, nothing would make the pain go away, yikes, that was bad.

    After that things went fine, just a bunch of nausea (but my stomach is fussy), however once in my room I didn't have any pain from the stomach or breast incisions. The pain over the next few days (well uncomfortableness) was from the tight binder I'm wearing and I really didn't eat much for 3 days in the hospital so I had awful hunger pains, haha. I was able to shower on my last day there (which felt wonderful). The only problem is getting comfortable in bed, it's a little tricky but luckily my husband doesn't mind been woken up at 4 am each morning to help me shuffle positions.

    I've been reading some people being concerned about stairs, I was wondering about that too since our house is a two story (12 stairs up) but I was went up the stairs as soon as I got home, no problem (obviously I'm not running up them ... yet!). I've been making sure to do a lot of walking when I can around the house and I go up/down the stairs twice every hour to keep things moving.

    Besides that everything is fine, I'm really surprised (pleased) by the lack of pain. I haven't had to take any pain meds since my first night so I hope none of the ladies are scared of the pain. I've got two bottles of pain meds here, I guess I'll add them to my drawer of T3's. I'd don't know why they prescribe so many of them for you.

    Anyways, sorry for the long post. I'm off to the doctor on Friday morning and am praying he can remove these last 2 drains ... but with my luck they'll be in longer ... those are the worst, are they not??

    Take care all!

  • faith729
    faith729 Member Posts: 244
    edited February 2013

    Sounds like everyone is doing well :)

    Keznick I was wondering how long you have to wear the binder for? My ps told me but I forgot what he said they could have different time lines but I'm just curious.



    MartyJ which merena did you get? there are two types I found without a bottom half to make bathroom visits more manageable one had shoulder straps I assume so it wouldn't roll down and the other was simply for the middle area about ribs to waist.

  • KiwiMum
    KiwiMum Member Posts: 704
    edited February 2013

    I'm back from the surgeon and everything is looking good and on track. My flap and stomach is healing nicely, with no signs of any issues or infection. I had my dressings changed and just have tape across my wounds now.



    I have been sent home with more tape and need to replace/change it a couple of times a week.



    I have another appointment in 3 weeks for a further check up.



    Nihahi - I've just slept in a regular bed. I am propped up and have a pillow under my knees. I'm lying a lot flatter than a week ago, but not totally flat.



    Keznick - it sounds like you are doing brilliantly. Well done! I hope you get those drains out soon! I hated mine and was very lucky to have them gone by the time I was discharged.



    Faith - I'm not really wearing my binder. I'm still in my surgical compression tights for another week. I have to wear my surgical bra 24/7 for 6 more weeks. Blah!!!

  • PinkHeart
    PinkHeart Member Posts: 1,193
    edited February 2013

    Joellelee,

    I had my surgery out of state and needed a refill script for percocet. It cant be faxed or called in so patient has to have a paper copy to take to pharmacy.



    So please just tell Upenn docs to MAIL it to you. Better yet, ask them to overnight it to you as my microsurgeon kindly did for me.



    We all have differing levels of pain tolerance, but only 4 days of percocet for a major surgery such as DIEP? I hope you are doing much better now, but there are plenty of us that still need percocet even 8 weeks post op. I did although just needed it in the evening when pain would set in.

    Take care!

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2013

    Faith - my surgeon had me in a Veronique right after surgery from knees to underbust with separating side zippers.  It had little holes cut in it to accommodate the drains.  After the drains were out, I bought a Marena LGT which had side zips and a shorter leg.  I didn't like it as the legs kept rolling up.  So, I ordered an LGS which with side zips and the long leg.  It was perfect and gave me two garments to wear.  The side zips aren't really needed, but I just liked them.  Now as I move to Stage 2, I will get the LGS2 (doesn't have the zips).  Pull it up once and you are done for the day.  All of these garments have the open crotch, making life easy.  Of course, the biggest problem with them is that you can't wear short skirts as the legs show.  Oh well, can't have everything.  My doctor prefers 6 months of compression after Stage 2, but she knows we rarely make it that long.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Keznick...good to hear from you. Always nice to know that someone is over the biggest hurdles and happily back at home. Sorry to hear of your "day of surgery" issues. Kind of bizarre events! Who told you a nurse's lack of experience slowed down the OR time, cause 6 hours sounds pretty good, from what other people have reported? I'm thinking a 3 hour stay in recovery sounds about right for monitoring you after 6 hours of anesthesia, and monitoring the flap itself. If I remember your story, you had your surgery in Red Deer?

    Sounds like getting home has been the best medicine! Glad to hear it is going so well and with minimal pain. We always want to get home, don't we Laughing. Happy recovery.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Hey, Calm...How are things going for you, now that you've been back at work for awhile? Did you get your stage 2 booked?

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    Last drain out, woo hoo!  So nice to lounge around in civilian clothes without grenades attached.  Talked with the PA yesterday with complaints re: skin tenderness and breast pain.  It feels as if the skin is sun burned, although it looks good.  Any manipulation of the breasts is not comfortable, although they have gotten softer.  She said to just give it time.  My concern is that post-radiation, my right breast was painful all the time.  It would be a shame to go through all of this and have two lovely new ta-ta's that no one can touch because they hurt. 

    Seagan - just a thought, I found that I needed more help after I got home than in the hospital. 

    Kiwi Mum - you are amazing!  I still have to take the strong stuff in the evening as that is when it seems like it still hurts.  I am actually trying not to stretch per doctor's orders as I don't want to open the abdominal incision.

    Bleu Girl - sorry about the aspiration, but at least you knew what to look for.  :( 

    sbelizabeth - congrats on the SX date!  Yeah!!!!

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2013

    Heavenschild - you really have to give the skin thing time.  I am 3.5 months from DIEP and the skin on my chest is finally beginning to settle down.  I can now touch it and not feel as if it had been sunburned.  The breasts will become softer over time and not so sensitive.  Time is your best friend in healing.  Most of us try to rush things in this age of instant gratification - our bodies have just not caught up with the age of technology.  They want us to heal the old fashioned way - slow and smooth.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    MartyJ...you are always so calming and reassuring. Just wanted to say thanks for all the guidance you offer to us "wanna-bies and new-bies". 

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    MartyJ - Nihahi said it all for me. Don't know how to say an adequate *thank you*. ((((MARTYJ))))))

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited February 2013

    Hi There  - 

    Does anyone have any recommendations of pre-surgery exercises? I'm still waiting for my surgery date, and the limbo is driving me crazy. (Not as crazy as waiting for test results, but still....)

    I read on these threads that someone recommended leg squats, so you can rely on those muscles when getting up. Are there other areas of our bodies I should be focusing on to make post surgery less difficult. 

    Saegan - I'm with you on the crazy dreams. I think our bodies are so incredibly smart and they give us what we need to get through.( But I do hope you are getting enough sleep). I had a dream last night that I was climbing a crazy cliff and being nervous, I  kept slipping, and then then I slowed down and closed my eyes and started climbing very slowly and let my hands gently brush the rocks and then I started finding places to grab on to - then I stopped being scared and knew with great certainty that as long as I kept going slowly and carefully, I'd aways find something to hold on to, and a place to put my feet. 

    I woke up feeling like everything is going to be okay. Then I got a call from my surgeon's office to book my CT scan, so now I'm nervous all over again. But it's so so soencouraging to hear everyone's progress.

    Janet

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited February 2013

    Kiwi... is today your birthday?

  • nans
    nans Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    What great posts.  I've been making a list of questions to ask at my preop appointment and you all have given me a lot of ideas. 

    My surgery is scheduled for Feb. 26 still a few weeks away but since my son is off school next week we've decided to go for a long weekend at my brother and sister-in-law's beach house to relax before the big event.  I've spent the last few weeks reorganizing drawers to burn off nervous energy and just now realized that because of the trip and our needing to spend the night prior to surgery near the hospital, I really only have this weekend to get what I want to take to the hospital together.  I remember too that someone posted that it helps to put clothes etc downstairs so you don't have to go upstairs all the time.  I've done neither of these things however.  I am spending the day watching Pride and Prejudice and surfing the net.Laughing  I think I'm just upset that even though my DH wasn't working today he decided to spend it with his friend going out for a long lunch.  He says they are shopping for Valentines gifts for their wives.  I'm expecting something nice and shinny since lunch is now going on four hours.   Ah well.  My lovely son came home with a Starbucks for me so all is good.

    Happy Valentines to you all.

  • Morningsun1
    Morningsun1 Member Posts: 649
    edited February 2013

    Happy Valentine's Day.

  • Cuetang
    Cuetang Member Posts: 575
    edited February 2013

    Hi folks!  Joining this thread...albeit a bit late.  I was diagnosed with IDC on January 11.  I decided that I wanted a BMX with immediate DIEP reconstruction.  It's been an uphill battle for nearly a month in trying to line up my BS and the PS that he recommended for the DIEP.  I finally have a date for my surgery, March 8.  Never thought I'd be excited to have major surgery, but since it's been a while since my diagnosis, I'm very eager to get this cancer out of me and move on!  I'm still trying to work through the kinks in my health insurance to get the PS approved (since he's out of network), but I'm hoping everything will go off without a hitch.  I'm just beginning to read this thread and I already see a lot of great tips and feedback.  Thanks!

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    Welcome Cuetang and nans!  I am sorry you have had to find your way to this site, but it is a wonderful resource for any and every question you might have.  Also, try the *Nola in September?* site.  The ladies there have been through the gammut of anything and everything you can think of and don't mind a newbie asking the hard questions. 

    The only things that I used at the hospital were my ipod and personal hygiene stuff, I couldn't even use a robe because I was attached to two poles for my strolls around the nursing station.  Also, get an *Omar the Tentmaker* sized shirt to leave that goes past your hips so that you can pin the drains to the inside.  The soft yoga pants are great (in a larger size) and also string bikinis, which avoid the drains and the suture line.

    Hugs to all

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    Ketch and peaceloves dogs - Let us know how are you doing post SX when you can.  Praying for you!

  • 3mom
    3mom Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Hello - New to this site but wondering if anyone has had DIEP in the Western New York area?  Need bilat mastectomy and trying to figure out the whole reconstruction issue.

    All the feeds have been so very very helpful.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited February 2013

    Hi everybody,

    I've been lurking here, but not posting. Glad to see Nihahi here though! Just heard from my PS that my DIEP flap surgery is scheduled for May 21. So glad to have a date at last! This TE have been sitting on my chest for more than a year now. It's time for it to go, and a nice, soft boob to come in its place. Let the countdown begin!

  • 3mom
    3mom Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Ok - sorry for such a dumb question to you all but why do so many of you have DIEP at a much later date than mastectomy.  My PS says to schedule it 2 weeks or so after mastectomy so we know if I will need radiation or not.  Is this common.  I am brand new here so just trying to learn.  Is is normal to have an expander placed then at time of initial surgery in preparation for the DIEP to be done?

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited February 2013

    Christina... Most women actually have their MX and DIEP all in one surgery. If pathology is unknown, and radiation is a possibility, many surgeons will overstuff that side to accommodate for shrinkage. Some women are delayed because they either chose that route, or they had implants initially and then chose to switch to DIEP or the doctor preferred to delay like your doctor. But I would not say that most delay just to delay. Most have it done in one surgery. The best cosmetic results are when it is part of one surgery, skin sparing etc. Personally, I wouldn't want it split into more than one surgery for aesthetics and anesthesia and recovery.

  • 3mom
    3mom Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Ok - Thanks - I think then because we do not have clear margins after lumpectomy and MRI since then showes 2 other hightly suggestive areas then it must be because we do not have full pathology and that is why feeling it to give it a few weeks.  I certainly do not wish for 2 surgeries though so I am going to go for another opinion in 2 weeks.  

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited February 2013

    3Mom, When I had the mastectomy and SNB in Feb. 2012, a TE was placed, because the pathology was unknown. As it turned out, I had a positive node which led to chemo and 25 radiations. Rads finished in July last year, and my PS wanted to wait for the skin and tissues to settle before doing the DIEP. The TE was overfilled before chemo and rads to ensure that there will be enough skin for the DIEP surgery.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited February 2013

    Another option that I have heard about, is not using a TE because there is no need to stretch out the pec muscle, is to just add an implant as a place holder.

  • llr010200
    llr010200 Member Posts: 67
    edited February 2013

    3mom, In my case radiation was certain so my PS did insert tissue expanders after my bmx in order to keep the skin stretched because elasticity is lost after radiation. Also the chest skin needs time to recover before the diep procedure which my understanding is that it is beneficial because it then brings new tissue with better blood supply.

  • 3mom
    3mom Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Well that is what I thought too - wondered if it is even necessary at all if I am going to go ahead with DIEP from the getgo.  I could get surgery with breast doc sooner on her own then added PS to the mix to do TE.  As it is I am getting nervous - Lumpectomy was 1-4-13 and the weeks are ticking away!

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