January 2013 chemo group

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  • honeybair
    honeybair Member Posts: 746
    edited February 2013

    Thanks, once again, ladies, for brightening my day with your wonderful posts.

    My port placement went well this morning.  Now all I need is to sleep.

  • Oliverhog
    Oliverhog Member Posts: 74
    edited February 2013

    Watta, I'm not so young.  I'm 50.  I'm married to my second husband after a 13 year marriage to my first husband (who was verbally and physically abusive throughout the marriage; I only got up the nerve to leave when I thought he was cheating.)  We had tried three infertility treatments during the marriage that didn't work.  Chemo in 1987-'88 for Hodgkin's left me sterile.  When I met my second husband I was 39.  I knew there was very little likelihood that he and I would be able to afford fertility treatments, so I was preparing myself to resign myself to the fact the no one would ever call me Mommy.  On my 43rd birthday, my husband called me and told me that his neice wanted us to adopt the baby she was carrying.  Initially, I said, "We're not ready for that."  I hung up, thought about it, realized this was a gift from God, called him back and said, "Tell her yes.  We'll adopt him."  That's how I came to be a mommy and at the age of 43.  

    Regardless of whether or not we're all going through this (and yes we are) your words and the tone of your post were so poignant.  I cried several times as I was reading through the posts.  I think I picked up at page 27 and made it to 56 or so.  I can't stand this disease.  I can't stand that it affects so many women and their families.  I can't stand the thought of people not surviving this disease.  I never thought it would be me.  I look around and count all the women I know and think about the statistics that as many as 1 in 8 will develop this in her lifetime and the thought of any of them developing breast cancer makes me ill and angry.  It makes me furious that I've got to add this to the list of things I have to worry about now for the rest of my damn life

  • bcfree2013
    bcfree2013 Member Posts: 94
    edited February 2013

    I am one week past my first infusion and just got a blood test suggesting that my counts are low. Need to watch out for high temperature. Anyone had similar problem? Hope my counts will bounce back so that I can have my second infusion next week.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    bcfree2013 - my counts were low at the one week point (1.8 the first cycle - 1.6 the second) both with and without the Neulasta shot.  

    I'm on a three-week cycle.  The last time the counts were up enough for me to do chemo.  This time I've had the Neulasta shot. 

    Are you getting the Neulasta or Neupogen shots?  

    My oncologist didn't seem that concerned about it.  I think he watches how things go throughout the first cycle and then adjusts accordingly for the second cycle.

    Sheryl - sorry you had to put up with the rude nurse but I think it's great that you made your feelings known.  Also, I laughed at the tube in the headcovering.

     

  • Skigirl72
    Skigirl72 Member Posts: 478
    edited February 2013

    Just think of all the booze we could have smuggled in out hats and wigs into concerts when we were younger!!!

  • shawkins64
    shawkins64 Member Posts: 8
    edited February 2013

    Hey Ladies,

    I haven't been on here for a while. I hope everyone is doing well.  I had chemo #2 last Monday and of course it kicked my behind.  I'm really starting to dislike the red-devil push and the Neulasta.  I can't eat the week of chemo so I lose 10 pounds only to gourge myself the week after chemo and gain 5 pounds back.  I was thinking about something the other day, they say after chemo your hair grows back usually a different color and/or texture...I have never had hair on my arms or legs, when my hair grows back if I have to start shaving my legs at the age of 48 I am going to hurt someone.  Sorry ladies just babblingTongue Out

  • Bryona
    Bryona Member Posts: 214
    edited February 2013

    Fighter, I had pain from the catheter placement (way above the port and into the neck) for a few weeks after I got my port. It was like a really sharp pinching, and I couldn't sleep on that side. It eventually cleared up; I don't even think about it now. But you know me -- I always want people to check with the doc.

  • Bryona
    Bryona Member Posts: 214
    edited February 2013

    Shawkins, I have to agree with you. If you have to start shaving for the firat time after having to go through this, that's just adding insult to injury. I vote no!

  • bcfree2013
    bcfree2013 Member Posts: 94
    edited February 2013

    LeeA, thank you for the information. I am on a dose dense a/c chemo w/ naulesta shot. But my counts are still low... Sigh.... It doesn't seem that I can do anything. Just need to make sure I don't have a fever.

  • martha323
    martha323 Member Posts: 79
    edited February 2013

    I just read several pages of posts. Thank you everyone for your excellent extraordinariouness. Comfort, advice, such laughter and encouragement, and a place to share exactly what's going on at the moment. What we have with each other!

    A wish tonight for each of you -

    "To thee no star be dark/May heaven and earth befriend thee forever"

    Hugs, Martha

  • Watta
    Watta Member Posts: 22
    edited February 2013

    Oliverhog, I totally 100% agree with you, everything you wrote. You are especially in my heart and prayers.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    Watta, I love your photo!

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    lol @ autocorrect and iPad. Autocorrect wanted to call you watts and then on the second attempt - wattage!



    I'm sitting in the lobby of an eye doctor's office in Beverly Hills killing time (waiting for DH) -- trying to lay low in this &$@% wig.



    I'm so glad I didn't go with Cedars Sinai or UCLA for treatment. The drive alone would have done me in.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    Shawkins~Thanks for giving me such a good laugh today!

    It's great to see you back on the forum. You were missed. AC #3 kicked my butt real bad. I'm hoping & praying for an easier time. I had AC 4 this past Friday. All my counts were half the lowest they should be. WBC should be at least 4.5. Mine was 2.5. I don't get Neulasta, but I've lots of people praying over me. Prayer trumps meds anyway.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    shawkins - lol @ hurt someone.



    It seems like I've been shaving my legs forever and I'm still shaving them during chemo! I remember my mom saying "you don't want to start shaving them because you'll always have to do it from then on."



    I just looked at my arms - still some hair there, too.

  • Georgetta
    Georgetta Member Posts: 43
    edited February 2013

    I don't post very often, but I love the attitude of you ladies here.  It sucks to have breast cancer (understatement).  I have 8 rounds of Taxol left, then surgery and radiation.

    My first 4 rounds of chemo included that nasty red devil.  For you ladies worried about blood counts,,one week following my chemo, my wbc was at .06 one week, and under 2  for the other weeks.  That was even with the Neulasta shot that I got the next day.  My hemoglobin was in the cellar too and I had 2 blood transfusions.

    That being said, I only have 8 more rounds of Taxol.  :)  My bloodwork is ok.  I still have the side effects that everyone talks about, but I got through it and so will you.  Keep your heads up!  It's something special to be part of such an army of Warrior Sisters and Brothers. 

  • Colleenkelly
    Colleenkelly Member Posts: 99
    edited February 2013

    2nd AC under my belt. Came home and fell asleep. Feeling pretty blah. Anyway I wanted to talk to u guys about the Neulasta. My MO only gives me 4 mg and its suppose to be 6. I hope mg's is the right measurement. Anyway he told me today that he has found in younger cancer patients that 3 to 4 does the trick and avoids undernecessary pain. It has to do with the fact that our bodies don't need as much as older people and if given to much something like the bone marrow builds up too much causing the bone pain. Also he recommends claritin once a day and aleve twice a day for 3or 4 days. I am almost 44 and he considers me as a young one. Throwing that out there for reference. Also he says the drug is so expensive so why pay for more that you don't need.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    Very interesting Colleen and thanks for the info. I saw a similar post earlier so I asked my MO about a lower dosage of neulasta at my last visit. My WBC was super high and I have the aches and pains....plus I'm down to 110lbs. One size fits all? He told me there was only one dose. Period. Hmmm. Not sure how I feel about that.

  • MandyNJ
    MandyNJ Member Posts: 73
    edited February 2013

    Hi everyone. Let me tell you about the drama at my first infusion. First, there was an elephant wearing a tutu while riding a unicycle... Nah, I'm just kidding.



    My first procedure was COMPLETELY UNEVENTFUL!!!



    I was lubed up with emla cream so I didn't even feel the needle. Nothing to speak of at all. I have to say now though, I feel rather funny. I recognize that I'm pretty exhausted just from the day - about 5 hours or so plus the stress of starting. But I just feel...odd.



    They told me to wait and see about taking anti naseau meds but I said eff that. I do not handle nausea well. I took the zofran. Wasn't sure which to take but I took the zofran in the hospital and that worked so it won the coin toss.



    My darling husband is trying to put my two year old down in her new "big girl bed" and I'm trying to keep my control freak ass in bed to rest because I think right now counts as not listening to my body.



    I've been drinking water but definitely need to up it for tomorrow.



    Thanks SO MUCH for being there. I will catch up on your posts tomorrow but I hope you're all well.



    Sheryl - thought of you for some odd reason when the nurse asked me what my stress level was on a scale of 1-10. I asked her if she knew I had cancer. :-). But honestly, I think my answers skew those things. I hate picking a number for stress and pain. I said it was a 3 because today was a walk in the park relatively speaking.

  • Colleenkelly
    Colleenkelly Member Posts: 99
    edited February 2013

    Jules, I would research the Neulasta. Find out manufacturer and get some answers. Why be in pain if not needed. My wbc count was 9.0 and the most it should be is 10.5 so I am thinking it did its job last time. I was 10.5 before I started chemo. Good luck!

  • kingboo
    kingboo Member Posts: 28
    edited February 2013

    Day 4: Had a mouth sore on my lips this morning. Did my standard morning walk and went for the Neulasta shot. By mid afternoon, my knees are sore. I took the Claritin today, hopefully tomorrow won't be this sore.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    Mandy, it sounds like you had a good start on chemo.  My onco nurses recommend taking the anti-nausea med regardless but I've seen it mentioned both ways here.  Both times I've taken it right at 9:00 at night and then every 8 hours for the first 3 or 4 days post-chemo.  I had to chuckle at "I'm trying to keep my control freak ass in bed" and the elephant in the tutu (riding a unicycle).  Your description was almost Fellini-esque.  

    --

    Re: Neulasta - when they decrease the dosage I wonder what they do with the remainder of what's in the syringe.  

    My starting WBC was 6.6 (pre-first chemo) I don't know if that's low to start out with our not.  

    Editing to add:  the manufacturer of Neulasta is Amgen 

  • Oliverhog
    Oliverhog Member Posts: 74
    edited February 2013

    Mandy, I can definitely understand your fears with the port surgery after what you had been through.  Unbelievable.  You are one tough cookie to have faced that fear and I’m so glad you came through the other fiasco and the second port.  Let us know how things are going with your son.  Again, here comes that old trite saying, my heart breaks for you and your family.  My son seems to be doing O.K. with my cancer.  He’s 7.  We talk about it.  But, he knows I’ve had cancer before and survived for years. I caught myself up and see that your little man is doing better and that you handled round 1 just fine.  Good for you.

    LeeA, once again, you are a fountain of knowledge.   I’m going to take advantage of that meditation link.  I’m not one to be able to quiet my mind, but I started trying meditation a few years ago and was successful for a few minutes at a time.  Once I actually made it to about 15 or 20 minutes without any thoughts (that I was aware of) in my head and it was almost better than sex.  It felt like my whole body had an orgasm.   (Hopefully not TMI.)  I was tingling from head to toe and got so excited about it that I almost lost it, literally and figuratively.  Also, I’m all over that info about the extra protein.  Today I had 58 grams so far.  Before bed, I'm adding at least another 30! somehow.

    Also, LeeA, before I was dx with the Hodgkin’s, I had some type of dream or hallucination.  I was in bed, lying on my back.  I thought I was actually awake.  I turned my head and saw this huge muscle bound man on all fours.  He was slowly crawling toward my bed and gnashing his yellow, jagged teeth, which left me with the impression that when he finally reached me he was going to tear me to pieces with his teeth until I died.  I tried to call out, but couldn’t make a sound louder than a whisper.  I tried to get up, but could only move my head.  I finally was able to lift my head and shake it.  Then I was able to move my body.  I sat up and the monster was gone.  A few months later, I again thought I was awake when I had this dream.  I heard a rustling sound in the wall across the room.  I was again on my back and I was looking towards the direction of the sound.  Suddenly, this huge black snake comes slowly slithering out from under the bed across the room winding its way towards my bed.  Its head was raised and I could see this brilliant red tongue darting in and out of its mouth.  Occasionally it would open its mouth to hiss.  There were drops of venom dripping from its gleaming white fangs.  I couldn’t yell.  I couldn’t move.  I was able to shake my head, which seemed to wake up the rest of my body.  Night terrors?  Ugh.

    Amrdbit, that sounds exactly like me.  I love food, but don’t eat much of it.  I take my thyroid pill in the a.m., feed my son his organic oatmeal and get him ready for school.  One of the other moms picks him up for me, for which I am extremely grateful.  Then I usually don’t eat until maybe lunch, often times not ‘til dinner.  Then I might have a snack before I go to bed.  You look thin.  I’m 5’9” and weigh about 116 lbs right now.  When I went in for my first treatment, I was weighed in the MO’s office at 117.2.  I go across the hall for chemo and the checker-inner wants to weigh me again.  I kind of sort of gave her a hard time.  That is, until I got on their scale that weighed me in kgs instead of pounds.  Then I figured, oh, someone must have thought I weighed close to 260.  I’m really glad the pharmacy caught that discrepancy.

    Chgogemini, where are you being treated?  I’ve been looking for a sister near me.  I’m being treated at University of Chicago.  I had the dildo ultrasounds while going through three unsuccessful rounds of infertility treatments. 

    Bryona, sorry about your husband’s birthday.  You know he gets it, though.  Have a wonderful celebration as soon as you feel well enough after your last treatment.  I’m working my way through the pages and I’m praying and hoping that by the time I get to the end I’ll see that you’ve recovered from your chest congestion and asthma.  You are one of the rocks on this board.  We need you, girl.  I see  you were right it wasn't pneumonia.  Yay!  YOU are the best gift you can give your husband.

    SherylB, you’re right about the Zofran and headaches.  I take the the Zofran, though, 'cause I need and  I can’t take compazine.  I had my head flip over backwards like the old Reach toothbrush commercials.  I was taking it while going through the radiation for the Hodgkin’s in ’85.  I noticed my neck felt stiff and like my head wanted to sit really straight upright.  A friend of mine in college had set up this double date with her boyfriend and this gorgeous football player.  She cooked dinner for us all at my place.  After dinner, she and her boyfriend left, but I couldn’t find a way to get romantic or let this young man romance me when I felt like my head kept trying to back itself off my neck.  He left.  : (  I went to bed and had to sleep curled up in a ball to keep my head from doing what it was doing.  I woke up the next morning and was fine.  Popped my Compazine, walked to the hospital for treatment, came back, had lunch, popped another compazine, went to proctor a freshman biology lab test and had to sit on the counter against a brick wall to keep from head from pushing backward.  It didn’t work.  My head kept pushing against the wall and forcing my body to slide toward the edge of the counter.  Made it through the exam and went over to the track to get a work out in.  Still couldn’t get relief, so I went to see the trainer.  Of course, the training room was filled with football players.  The head trainer had one of his guys massage my neck and try hydroculators.  None of it worked.  I got off the table and walked into Lonnie’s office.  While I’m standing there, my head flipped backward and I couldn’t do anything to pull it up.  I ended up having to go the ER for a shot of Benadryl.  Of course, I had to walk through the training room in front of all the football players bent 90 degrees at my waist so that I could see in front of me. 

    Ziffy, I didn’t bother with wigs.  I've been seen bald by quite a few people who have come to the house.  It is what it is.  However, I don't have to leave the house for anything other than treatment and don't have to worry about how it affects a job.

    JulesDenver, I didn’t get a rash over my entire body, just two bright red patches beneath my eyes across my cheek bones that itch and slightly burn.  They started out in a crescent shape about an inch wide at the widest point and ran from beneath the center of my eyes up and outward towards the ends of my eyebrows.  Called the MO and the pharmacist and the consensus was Taxotere.  I tried a Benadryl.  It did jack.

    Jubby, the chemo doesn’t really select cells in patterns of patches on your head.  It sort of just happens all over the head and it’s fairly quick, a matter of a few days.  You may not lose all of it, though.  I’m 12 days after my second TC treatment and I have about 10 to 20% of my head hair left still.  I'm hoping I keep it, though I don't know why because I still look bald.

    Hope49, you’re a Chicago girl too?

    Shawkins64, let us know if you start growing leg hair, LOL.  Name the place and time for that hurtin' and I'll be there.

    julesDenver and ColleenKelly, they definitely DO reduce the Neulasta.  My MO gave me 6 mg the first time.  WBCs were 22,000 and caused me a lot of problems.  By TC # 2, WBCs were over 10,000.  After TC #2, I received 3 mg.  I looked at the box and syringe.  Definitely was 3 mg.

    Skimommi, Peyton is in a permanent cast at the moment.  I think he’s supposed to get some films taken on Thursday to see how well the bones are still aligned.  We’ll know then if he’s still O.K. or if he’ll need open reduction to reset the bones.  The kid is handling this like a trooper.  Wish I was a bit more like him.

    O.K.  I’m caught up.  Yay!

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    Oliverhog - wow, those definitely sound like night terrors!!  

    My poor husband sleeps with earplugs.  I feel bad that I'm such a night screamer.  Thank goodness it's not every night.  

    I hope the meditation link will help.  I had forgotten about posting that!  

    Also, I had to skim some stuff earlier today because we were headed out the door for my husband's eye appointment but just wanted to say congratulations on getting out of that first marriage and congratulations on having a happy second marriage!  

  • Colleenkelly
    Colleenkelly Member Posts: 99
    edited February 2013
  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    Hear, hear!  I heartily agree, Colleen!  

    I would do a booby bump with you as a sign of agreement but I might knock one of these tissue expanders out of place. 

  • Colleenkelly
    Colleenkelly Member Posts: 99
    edited February 2013

    Hair is coming out now. Not really worried about that so much anymore. I cried at cost cutters the other day when I cut it short. I would take being bald if I could feel good all the time. Lee- they must be able to order it in smaller doses.

  • Colleenkelly
    Colleenkelly Member Posts: 99
    edited February 2013

    Gonna hit Facebook now. Lee- lmao. U would knock one loose and I probably just wouldn't feel anything with these implants.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2013

    I know, Colleen.  It truly does suck.  And you're doing it every two weeks, right?  I'm coming up on the third one this week and dreading it.  

    Almost every single day I think of what Nicole said:  the only way out of the chemo valley is through the chemo valley.  

    Big hugs from west of you.

  • gd2shuz
    gd2shuz Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2013

    Hi all, I just finished catching up on ten pages of posts, and I am still seeing dancing elephants in tutus.  Now I have to go catch up on a few other things, get ready for medical onc second opinion on wed and hope for chemo. that sounds odd i know, but if its not chemo, then it means that it is what it is and i takes my chances.  Sheesh!  See you again soon,

    Sue

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