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  • Joanne_53
    Joanne_53 Member Posts: 1,477
    edited February 2013

    All rants are welcome here ...



    I was fortunate and did not experience the severity of burns you did ... I still get pain in my breast and that is one year post surgery and 8 months post rads.



    I had to go for Physio after surgery but again for the entire time of my rads and an additional 5 months for my shoulder and then my underarm/chest ... Took awhile to get back to "normal" range of motion without pain.

  • Ceecee1111
    Ceecee1111 Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2013

    I just Found Breast Cancer.org last week, and this thread today. I had my lumpectomy & SNB less than 2 weeks ago, and just started feeling good this week, until a got a staph infection at the incision sites, (rash, Pain, swelling & fever). I was admited to the hospital yesterday for strong IV antibiotics, today they cut my breast open to drain the fluid & put in a drain ( for just a few days). I was supposed see my ONC Monday, but this may delay it, so this site has really helped me. I too feel guilty, but right now my guilt is because only child has the burden of caring for me. I live alone. She has her family to care for, children to drive around to school, sports & all. She tells me no need to apologize she loves me & needs me healthy and not to feel bad. I still feel guilty about taking a lot of her time. I hope I don't need chemo & will feel guilty about that, but just read on this site about the onco test. I will most likely have radiation, then I know I'll feel guilty about missing work. I've already had friends say my cancer is not bad, after my surgery it'll be over with, I'm strong so it won't be as bad, etc etc. It's Cancer!!!! It's not over with. It's years of side affects & worries. I'm scared.

  • ReneeinOH
    ReneeinOH Member Posts: 511
    edited February 2013

    Oh Ceecee1111 I am glad you found this site, and wish you quick healing.  I have always been the strong one, the one to take care of others, so to be in the position of having to ask for help from others, and to put myself first, has been a foreign idea for me.  But, I accepted this needs to be the case in order for me to get through this, and decided to take offers for help with open arms.  It is amazing how different it feels when I decided not to feel guilty about any of this, and receive the gifts of care from others, and to give myself the time and effort it will take to get the cancer out of my body.  Much more positive, much more empowering, which I know will contribute to my healing (vs. feeling guilty about the situation).

    As for ignorant statement of others, that's exactly what they are. Accept the positive things others have to offer, and reject the negative. You need to put yourself first. 

  • Ceecee1111
    Ceecee1111 Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2013

    Thank you ReneeinOH. I do need to learn how to ask for help and to accept it. I will probably re-read your post a few more times to try to convince myself to stop trying to be stronfg for eveyone else and to put myself first. Thank you again.

  • numbersinger
    numbersinger Member Posts: 14
    edited February 2013

    I had lumpectomy on Dec. 13 - was told on Jan. 3 I had breast cancer.  DCIS - I will begin five weeks of radiation at Duke University on Feb. 25th.  ER-/PR-, HER2+   

    The first oncologist that I saw at Duke wants me to start Tamoxifen after radiation but I am really leaning toward not taking it.  When I asked her why I should take Tamoxifen when my receptors are negative, she said it can't hurt.  Huh?

    Looking forward to getting started so that I can get this over with.  I have been in a pretty good mindset but have been emotional the last few days.  

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited February 2013

    numbersinger--tamoxifen for ER-/PR-?  that doesn't make sense to me.    Are you going to get Herceptin?  That drug is specifically for HER2+ cancers.  Have you asked the onc for copies of the studies he/she is basing the treatment recommendations on?  Or has he/she given you stats on how the various treatments will affect your chances of recurrence and life expectancy?  When I was researching treatment I kept finding notations in the research study reports that the various chemo regimens were not proven to be helpful for early stage bc, so I passed on chemo.  Of course, I was in a different situation with a different pathology. 

  • JenniferW
    JenniferW Member Posts: 29
    edited February 2013

    Ceecee and Renee, I'm so glad you posted.  I, too, am the person who takes care of everyone so it was difficult for me to let go and let others help me out.  I still feel guilty, but I'm working on it.  I feel the worst for my poor mother who already lost one child to cancer (my older brother in 2003) and now has her youngest going through it.   I felt horrible for putting her through this anguish all over again, even though the outcome is significantly better.  Still, it's a lot to bear. 

    Good luck to you all on your treatments and whatever decisions you make with regard to Tamox.  I'm going to go ahead and do it.  I don't have a uterus anymore so that's not really an issue for me as it is for some ladies. 

    I am still nursing a post-rad skin infection on my breast, but I'm on good antibiotics and lots and lots of soaks, etc.  HOpefully I'll heal up quickly.  Have a good week everyone.

    Jenn

  • ReneeinOH
    ReneeinOH Member Posts: 511
    edited February 2013

    Jenn and CeeCee--think of it this way: the people that offer to help WANT to help. You are giving them the opportunity to do so.  This disease makes more than just you feel powerless--it makes your friends and family feel that way too.  Let them contribute to your efforts to fight this cancer.  Feel good about giving them the opportunity.  They will thank you for it, and you will feel SO MUCH BETTER about the situation. 

    Every time you resist the urge to say no thank you, stop yourself.  It is OK, and IMPORTANT for you to say yes. 

    If the shoe was on the other foot (you were trying to help a loved one), how would you like them to respond?

  • JenniferW
    JenniferW Member Posts: 29
    edited February 2013

    Renee, this is exactly how I handled it.  I just stopped and thought that I would be sincere in my offers to help, and so are they.  So I went ahead and accepted dinners after my surgery, I accepted rides to various appointments, etc.  It was freeing and really made things better.  It wasn't easy, but I did it.  I'm just ready to get my life back to normal. 

    Jenn

  • ReneeinOH
    ReneeinOH Member Posts: 511
    edited February 2013

    I hear you Jenn. 

  • numbersinger
    numbersinger Member Posts: 14
    edited February 2013

    I am going for lab work and another appointment next Monday prior to starting radiation. I am going to question my oncologist regarding the tamoxifen. I can find no research that dictates this in my case.



    Hubby is currently laid off but hopefully starting back to work in three weeks. At least he will be with me the first week of radiation. After that I will be by myself three hours from home while I have radiation. Not looking forward but on the other hand I want it over with.



    Barbara

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2013

    Hi all, this is a great thread.

    My Onco score was 16, and my MO told me chemo would not be beneficial.  She feels the Tamoxifen will be a good weapon and will start me on it as soon as I'm finished with rads.

    So all along I have been telling everyone not to worry about me, that I've caught it early, that rads won't be a big deal because that's what I've heard, that it'll be a sunburn at best.

    Well.  Today is Day 2, with 28 more to go.  I definitely don't feel like it's not a big deal.  I feel quite crappy right now.  My chest was red and hot last night.  I have been treating it with cream, so it feels better than yesterday, but I have this odd feeling of heat churning in me internally.  I also feel nauseous, tired, irritable, and downright sorry for myself.

    I have been hanging on to the bright side since my diagnosis in early December.  I am very grateful that it was caught early and is highly treatable (so I've been told).  I have been assuring everyone that it's all just an inconvenience, that everything will be fine.  I even felt like it was somehow empowering to say "I had a lump in my breast that was cancerous" instead of "I have breast cancer." 

    Several weeks ago, after my second surgery (re-excision to get bigger margins), I finally allowed myself to fall apart and cry and admit that I do have breast cancer (even though I'm hoping at this point most or all of it has been surgically removed).  I was wondering if I should just have a mastectomy (even though my surgeon -- who is well respected in the community -- didn't think it necessary).  She and the RO feel rads + lumpectomy is the best course, especially since my nodes had a tiny bit of activity (though technically they were considered negative).  So I finally was feeling good about this next step, and felt in control by preparing my skin twice daily all last week with calendula cream and Jean's cream.

    I have been taken aback by how crummy I feel two days in to radiation.  I feel like I know my body pretty well -- after all, I was the only one who felt my sneaky, nebulous ILC.  It more than likely would have been hidden in yet another routine mammo.  Because I had felt something, I was sent to a breast center with 3D mammo, and the radiologists took extra close looks at it and felt an MRI was warranted (which did reveal the mass).  So I don't think that I'm catching a bug or anything.

    But because I've hyped this as an "easy" process, part of me feels like I'm not supposed to be feeling awful.

    Well, I'm going to try to get a good sleep tonight (so I can get up and go to rads first thing in the am!) ... tomorrow is doctor day.  I like my RO very much, and I look forward to reporting these symptoms to her. 

    Thanks for reading.

  • lemon68
    lemon68 Member Posts: 684
    edited February 2013

    Gemini4,

    As I read your post I felt like it was my post.. we are very much alike. I dont start rads yet but have my 1st appt on Friday. I am also a ILC sneaky dang cancer, I dont see many of us. I just had to post to you as I swear from the ILC  and activity in the nodes, and our feelings, swear we are living the same life!

    my best to you.

  • MameMe
    MameMe Member Posts: 425
    edited February 2013

    I can relate to knowing I have a "better" prognosis than many, but still have been very affected by getting hauled into the cancer treatment world so suddenly and without warning. I go back and forth: I seem to fall into the pit of relentless brooding for a day and a half or so, then kind of surface and feel pretty normal for awhile.

    I have opted for lumpectomy and SNB twice, thinking that even that was a lot of surgery for me. I strongly felt the seriousness of doing radiation for six weeks, very much as Gemini expresses: it just hits you that it is barbaric, and the only reason you are doing this intense and dangerous thing is because yep, you really DO have cancer. I just got the Oncotype back, a ten, which supports lx and rads, but even that really bites.

    I think its the nature of the beast, swinging between under-responding and totally flipping out, back and forth, over and over, until it sort of settles down. Its a tough road.

  • Ceecee1111
    Ceecee1111 Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2013

    Jenn & Renee: I will take your advice and say Yes, when offered help again. Hopefully my No's didn't discourage them too much.



    Gemini4, I just read your post about Day 2 of Rads, Sorry to hear its rougher than expected. I hope its not as bad for you as the treatment goes on. Thr Dr's keep telling me that it will feel like a sunburn only. I had a feeling they just don't want to scare me, but I'd rather know the truth ahead of time.



    I finally saw my ONC, so I don't know my Onco score yet. They can't move on until my wound heals, and they cant close my wound until this infection goes away.

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2013

    Thanks for the replies.

    Lemon, I know, there aren't too many of us ILC'ers.  A while back I was reading the ILC boards here and was noticing that many (if not most) seem to have had MX and BMX.  I was wondering if MX was the way to go, but my surgeon and RO both felt the LX and rads was the better choice for me.  ("You can always get a MX later!"  As awful as this prospect sounds, I do understand and agree with the thinking.)

    MamaMe, it's so true about those bad "brooding" days that crop up among the good, positive, brave-face days.  So many things in the stew -- resentment, emotional exhaustion, fear ... mixed with hope, optimism, gratitude -- and then I also feel like whacked-out hormones are contributing, too!

    Lemon, MamaMe, and Ceecee, I hope your experience starts out better than mine, and I don't want to make you any more anxious than you already are before you start your treatments.  I really do think I'm the exception to the rule (though reading these posts here shows me I'm not the only one feeling crummy in ways that aren't textbook side effects).  Today my doctor suggested that I might be dehydrated, which makes sense.  I need to get up right now and have more water, but I have been much more diligent about water today, and I'll admit I haven't had enough on Monday and Tuesday.  We shall see if that makes a difference, and I'd suggest for you to be mindful of extra water!

    Thanks again for the replies; it's so helpful.

  • lemon68
    lemon68 Member Posts: 684
    edited February 2013

    Thanks Gemini4, hope the rads get better for you. Drink up , I appreciate the advise. I too went to the ILC threads and noticed almost everyone of them had a BMX or MX at minimum, really got to me. I have asked BS twice about it now and he says there is no medical reason to do so. And if needed it can come later, so I am hearing the same as you. I did worry after rads the damage to the good tissue may make it harder for reconstruction and he assured me that is not the case. He said healing can be longer but it was absolutely possible. Did you have BRCA testing done?

    I feel fairly brave to begin my radiation if that is what happens. Today for some reason I feel proud of ME. :) Tomorrow my roller coaster may be on another turn but I am grateful for today.

    Take care.

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2013

    Hi Lemon, I have not had the BRCA testing done (I had the OncoType test -- this is totally different, right?).  None of my docs has mentioned it to me.  I have no family history; is this something that's done on women with a history?  Which doc on my team do you think would be the best one to inquire about it?  I'm thinking my MO.

    You *are* brave, and you should feel proud!  Smile

  • lemon68
    lemon68 Member Posts: 684
    edited February 2013

    Hi Gemini,

    I think you are also brave and you better be holding your head high! Is it getting any better?

    The BRCA test is to tell you if you carry the BC Gene, BS told me only 15% of the population carries it. If so it can cause BC and ovarian cancer, 80% chance. Pretty bad odds. Many women that carry it have a BMX and have the ovaries removed to cut their chances. I would ask your MO about it. I know there are 2 BRCAs but I dont know the difference off the top of my head. I have children so its important to know, if I am positive I would have them tested when older also. Scary stuff. I have no family history, I was adopted so its really important because I dont know if someone biologically had cancer.

    Had the MRI this morning, will get results tomorrow! Hoping for a clean left side and no surprises in the right, then its off to rads! If all goes well I will be joining you soon.

    Take care Gemini xo

  • Lee7
    Lee7 Member Posts: 657
    edited February 2013

    Gemini4, 

    I wanted to let you know this happened to me just in case you are having a similar reaction. I also started turning bright pink very early in tx, around number 8 I think. I was really scared I was burning badly and wouldn't ever make it to the end.   I was using calendula cream and it turned out I was pink due to a reaction to the cream not the rads at that point.  I figured it out when the opposite side of my neck and chest from the rads area went pink after I had started slathering the extra cream over there. So I stopped using the calendula, and only used aloe.  The fiery pink faded and then I only went pink/red again towards the very end of rads.  Anyways, just thought I'd share that in case your skin is extra sensitive to it. 

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2013

    Lemon, thank you for the info on the BRCA test.  I will definintely inquire about it.  I have one child, a daughter, and would want to know this information for her sake -- and also would like to know about the ovarian cancer risk.

    Lee, that's interesting about the calendula.  I think I might hold off on using the Seven Cream (its main ingredient is calendula) and see what happens and just stick with Jean's Cream (which is mostly aloe and Vitamin E).  My RO suggested that I also keep it simple with the cream and try to stick with one, just to rule out any reaction from the cream itself. 

    On a side note, I have been using clobetasol liquid (topical steroid) mixed with CeraVe lotion (a combination prescribed by my dermatologist) on my eczema/psoriasis areas.  My RO recommended that I might want to try using CeraVe alone in addition to the CeraVe mixed w/ the steroid (so that I'm using a single cream type).  However, I just discovered that CeraVe contains two different parabens!  Frown  Which is a shame, because it's a very nice cream (not greasy, absorbs beautifully) ... but I will stop using it right away!  I don't want to be applying parabens to my breasts!  I've never used Aquaphor, but by its description, is it more like a Vaseline salve?  I really hate putting anything heavy and greasy on my skin ... the sensation sort of gives me the creeps! 

  • kkuziel
    kkuziel Member Posts: 191
    edited February 2013

    I haven't started radiation as I have a second surgery on Feb 22 for greater margins around the DCIS - not thrilled - but it's doable. I met with my RO last week and he made this sound like a pretty easy thing - at least he down played all the negative things. I'm hoping to work in the morning and then drive the hour and a half for radiation and then back 2 hours to my home. (live in a very remote place in the world) I think the driving will become the most tedious. I too have had numerous offers for rides - or at least someone to ride with me. I'm tempted on one hand to take them up on their offers and on the other hand to use this time in the car to get my life on track after it's been derailed by this cancer stuff.

    Am I worrying about radiation too much - I was hoping this was far better than chemo - but now I'm wondering if it's just another side to this scary coin. I did have sort of a negative reaction to entering the radiation department at the hospital - I think it hit me for the first time that I have cancer - and that it's not going to "go" away - even though my prognosis is excellent - small tumor, no lymph node involvement, estrogen/progesterone+ HER2-, etc. My MO is confident that radiation and hormone therapy will "do it" - and I'm grateful that I'm in a very favorable catagory - Is it weird/stupid of me to still be afraid of dying, or of having cancer - I just can't seem to shake it. I guess there is a bigger emotional toll than I thought to this whole diagnosis. I hope I'm just over reacting and that once I get past this second surgery I will be on my way to recovery.

  • Joanne_53
    Joanne_53 Member Posts: 1,477
    edited February 2013

    You don't need to worry about radiation but wow what a drive ...

    You are not weird or stupid to be afraid ... It is still new. Eventually it becomes less on your mind and less "raw".

  • pacools
    pacools Member Posts: 53
    edited February 2013

    I am so sorry you are facing another surgery and I hope it is no big deal but I am sorry it is a big deal. Clear margins are so important but maybe you will have an option for an alternative radiation that will not require daily treatments for 6 weeks that is really a long haul this time of the year. Keeping you close in thought and positive energy for your healing clear margins this go round.

  • JenniferW
    JenniferW Member Posts: 29
    edited February 2013

    Hi all, I'm back after a short break.  My infection has all but cleared up and I had my first full day with NO pain on Friday last week.  It was wonderful!  My skin breakdown is finally getting better and the peeling has nearly stopped.  What an ordeal, but I just feel so much better now knowing that it's almost over.  I started Tamoxifen yesterday.  I didn't sleep well last night, but I think that was just my dog's fault.  She is much like me in that she cannot make it through the night without at least one trip to the potty.  :)

    Some of you were talking about BRCA testing.  I ended up having both BRCA1 and BRCA2 testing done.  I have two aunts who died of ovarian cancer.  They thought with my history and my age at diagnosis (45) I should get tested.  I was negative on both counts.  I say visit with a geneticist and see if they think it's reasonable for you to have the BRCA tests. They will counsel you regarding what they think your likelihood of a positive result and will let you know.  My insurance paid for both. 

    Jenn

  • RMlulu
    RMlulu Member Posts: 1,989
    edited February 2013

    Kkuziel praying for those clear margins! Hope today's surgery is a breeze & speedy healing.

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2013

    kkuziel, good luck with your re-excision surgery!  I had to have it too, and I found it a breeze compared to the first surgery.

    As other posters have commented, it is quite a drive you are up for!  Allow yourself to decide later if you'd like to accept the offers to drive from your friends.  You might enjoy the company, and I've discovered that friends really do want to help and are grateful when we let them.  Smile  I'm only two weeks in to rads, but from what I understand, there is some strong fatigue towards the end; it might be a good idea to have company when you are at that point for safety's sake.

    Also, I hope my posts haven't scared anyone.  I had a rough start to rads, but this week (Week 2) has really been a breeze.  I have had acupuncture (highly recommend this) and have done deep breathing exercises ... and most importantly, I have been drinking tons of water.  If my urine isn't pale, I know I'm not getting enough.  I keep a pint glass in my kitchen and toss back a full glass whenever I pass through the kitchen.

    Let us know how the second surgery goes!

  • Sam44
    Sam44 Member Posts: 6
    edited February 2013

    Well, I have had 7 rads treatments now and only 23 more to go!  I have struggled most with loss of control.  I have stopped working as I am a psychologist and don't feel I can give 100% professionalism at the moment.  I am feeling resentful about the lack of support from my ex-husband, who told me radiation was a "walk in the park" and I was a "drama queen seeking sympathy for having breast cancer" - I have my children 12 days out of 14 and sorely wanted some time on my own to mentally adjust to the treatment.  On the upside, my friends and family have been amazing and my beautiful children keep me busy.  I had a complete melt-down after the first radiation treatment and just sat in my car and cried.  I think it was the first actual time I had properly confronted my diagnosis.  Lessons so far - accept all kind offers of help, give myself permission to not be OK sometimes and take each day as it comes.  

  • ReneeinOH
    ReneeinOH Member Posts: 511
    edited February 2013

    Wow Sammy too bad he has been such a douche. But I guess that is part of the reason he is your ex. Ignore the unsupported and embrace those who care.



    I think some people minimize what we are going through because it is treatable for most. But it is not a picnic. Find a few YouTube postings so those folks get a clue.

  • ReneeinOH
    ReneeinOH Member Posts: 511
    edited February 2013

    Oh, to share. I have to see the PS Friday. Some concern that I do not have enough skin. TE was put in but have not started filling. I may need a skin graft. We will find out. Also a port put in. May mean I have radiation in my future. Of chose have to wait for pathology.

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