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  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited January 2013

    Lori are you saying taxotere
    is similar to dm1 ?

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited January 2013

    Penny...I'm not on the taxotere part, but my navelbine & herceptin were approved almost 3 weeks before perjeta so I'll bet it's happening any time.  I also found out, through the mail, that it was approved before they contacted my onc office so if I were you, I'd ask your dr office to call....every day!  Good luck...it's so emotionally draining to know that it may be the thing that saves you..and they're in no hurry to get it to you!  That's how I felt.

    Have any of you had a rise in your blood pressure since this whole thing started?  Over the past 3 years, mine's just crept up slowly and no one seemed too concerned.  In October my gp put me on a low dose of bp medicine to help it...sometimes it's low, sometimes high.  Just wondering.

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited January 2013

    RonnieKay sorry I didn't answer you sooner regarding the TDM1.  I haven't been on the site too much lately as I'm so busy with work and of course a bit tired from the Perjeta/Herceptin/Afinitor.  


    The TDM1 will replace Herceptin.  It is suppossidly a more powerful version of Herceptin.  The good news is that the side effects are not suppossed to be as difficult as the Perjeta and not much different from Herceptin.  I'm really anxious to get started as soon as it is available.  At this point my markers are stable and typically very reliable.  They are over 200, but have been there for about 6 months.  My onc thinks the TDM1 will have a positive effect.  I just wish I could get rid of the big D from the Perjeta and then life would be very good.   Nothing seems to work for the big D.  Some days are good and others awful.  I'm hoping the TDM1 works so well that perhaps my onc will lower the dosage of the Perjeta.  I guess I'm dreaming with that thought. 

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited January 2013

    Pear lady did you try lomotil every 4 hrs round the clock for D?

  • Redmond
    Redmond Member Posts: 17
    edited January 2013

    Pearlady - when did you start Prejeta?  

    I have presented as stage 4 mets to lung only.  pending lung biopsy (completed last friday) pathology, I should start chemo next week.  We decided to delay a week to obtain results and petition coverage for perjeta.  I dont know how long that will take but I am extremely anxious to start some kind of treatment.  initial cancer diagnosis Dec 18...clinics closed dec 20...didnt see dr until Jan 3...Jan 10 diagnosed stage 4.  I am not entirely sure what we hope to learn from the lung biopsy but dr suggested it would aid in the petition for prejeta.

    does anyone have any results from prejeta yet? 

  • aic
    aic Member Posts: 417
    edited January 2013

    Redmond, I started taxotere, herceptin and perjeta in September. I was diagnosed in August with several mets from the get go to the liver and three breast tumors. Three treatments in I was NED and still am after six treatments so I have dropped the tax now. I just had my first infusion with just p&h on Monday. Hoping for the best!

  • SPAMgirl
    SPAMgirl Member Posts: 1,470
    edited January 2013

    How long does the D last. This is crazy. At first I'm always happy to stop the C, but...I think I have a permanent impression of the toilet seat on my butt!

  • fujiimama
    fujiimama Member Posts: 800
    edited January 2013

    Got my results and my bone scan and ct are both clean. I also had a node on my lung my onc wasn't ready to call cancer has complete resolution. I've been doing p/h only since October. My 11 wedding anniversary is this weekend. I can't think of a better way to celebrate. I'm praying everybody gets there.

  • aic
    aic Member Posts: 417
    edited January 2013

    Fujiimama! So happy for you! Celebrate your anniversary big! Made my day!

  • Kaelia
    Kaelia Member Posts: 163
    edited January 2013

    Spamgirl, sorry to hear you are dealing with D. after C. I actually had both when I started this combo, they were just taking turn on me! Imodium has done wonders for me for the D. and as far as the C, eating a banana and drinking a lot of fluids has been more efficient for me than any pills.

    Congrats Fujimama and Aic!!! I am hoping to get there. I had chemo#5 today and my onc said that if my next scan (after 6th round) show good results, I will be taking only P&H. Are you ladies having your hair growing back and less side effects?

  • Bondgirl
    Bondgirl Member Posts: 140
    edited January 2013

    Great news Fujiimama! 

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited January 2013

    Redmond I started the Perjeta/Herceptin in July.  I had been on just herceptin prior.  Am also taking afinitor along with aromisin and tamoxifen.  The perjeta has kept my markers stable, even though they are around 200.  My markers tend to be very reliable, so my onc is satisfied at this point and doesn't want to start faslodex unless he has to.  He's hoping that when the TDM1 replaces the herceptin, that my markers will go down more.  I understand about being anxious to be on some type of treatment.  You should be approved for the perjeta.  My understanding is that perjeta was approved for women  who are stage 1V and have not been treated previously for stage 1V.

    BHD1 I do take Lomotil, but not that frequently . I will trying taking it more frequently during the day.  I also take opium tincture, which really does work, but I try to only take that when I have someplace special to go.  I don't want to get too used to taking that all the time.  My onc also just prescribed an injection, Sandostatin, which I am waiting for.  I've had it before in a higher dose and really didn't like how it make me feel, but he suggested a lower dose which I'm willing to try.  Some women have said that it does help.  Other than the D, I feel good.  I don't know if anyone else has had this issue, but the D was so relentless that I had low potassium which was really draining me.  I now take potassium twice a day which has definitely helped with the energy. 

    Congrats to Fujimama and AIC.  So glad that this combo is working.   

  • aic
    aic Member Posts: 417
    edited January 2013

    Kaelia, my hair actually started growing a little towards the end of my taxotere. Definitely growing more now. I have some fatigue infusion day but not sure that isn't just from the benedryl. Feel great besides that. I'm hoping that stays the case!

  • Kaelia
    Kaelia Member Posts: 163
    edited January 2013

    Thanks for sharing that Aic. The Benadryl on infusion day makes me tired also. But hearing that you manage much better without the Taxotere and the hair is coming back sounds awesome.

  • Lorijo6600
    Lorijo6600 Member Posts: 51
    edited February 2013

    Barb, sorry I didn't answer sooner. How my Onc explained it to me is the chemo part of the drug combo is chemically bonded to the targeted therapy drug. So the wicked stuff only goes to the cancer cells instead of floating around destroying all the fast growing cells, good and bad. Also way fewer side effects because it only targets cancer receptors. If you Google it you will find a lot of information.

    So I spoke too soon about not feeling too bad. 8th day after tx I got a neupogen shot and on day 9, another. I didn't feel well when I went in but my temp was. only 99 so they told me it was probably flu like symptoms from the shot. It continued to climb and topped out at 103. I went to the E.R. on advice o my Onc. Apparently, the triage nurse didn't consider me ill enough to be seen. After 2 hours my daughter asked when I would be seen and they told me there was still 4 people ahead of me. They had my entire file and knew I was post chemo. I've never been treated so awful before. I have had fevers on chemo before and have been immediately taken back for CBC. I finally left because my Onc opens at 8 am and I figured I may as well just go in to my own onc. Boy was my docs nurse mad. She said I should have called back and let the doc on call know and he would have took care of it. She also wants names.

    My fever ended up going way down in the early morning hours Wednesday. I had another neupogen shot Wednesday and my labs today were good but I still have a low fever.

    All in all the 2 nd week has been way worse than the 1 st. My bed has been my best friend

  • Shaysmom
    Shaysmom Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2013

    Hi Ladies, I thought I posted an update a few wreaks ago but couldn't find it.



    I am so thankful I found this group in October when starting p/h/t. It Made me feel sane bc others were having same issues with the side effects. It's also where I received good info to manage them. When I started perjeata, there were no threads except this one addressing the BIG D. Nothing in literature.



    This combo was rough for me. I did 4 treatments I think. Scanned and everything was stable with mild improvement in lung nodules and effusion!! So it was worth it. The last dose I received was with taxotere cut to 50mcg. That gave me better quality of life. So to anyone just starting dont hesitate to ask about dose reduction. And Make sure you keep

    Hydrated and get fluids if dehydrated.



    Even though I was stable on p/h/t , My chance to crossover and get TDM1 finally came through in Jan. I just did my second TDM1. I can come back to p/h/t if need be. Hang in there ladies.



    Hoping for good results for all of you.



    Kelly

  • kingcour
    kingcour Member Posts: 93
    edited February 2013

    My insurance approved it as well, but I have learned that the squeaky wheel gets the grease! Call them yourself and bug them every day. I have a nurse liaison assigned by my insurance who calls me monthly just to check in, and when Perjeta first came out, she bugged the approval team for me.

    Glad to hear all of this good news! Hoping TDM1 will defeat anything that this combo doesn't! Prayers for all!

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited February 2013

    Oh Lorijo..I'm so sorry tx was a bugger the second week!  And to get such awful treatment at the ER just makes me ill!  I'm glad they want names & I hope someone takes action...but it didn't help you :( 103 is a definite "NEEDS TO BE SEEN"...especially knowing you were on chemo...ugh!  Hope this weekend is restful...I love my bed too. 

    Redmond..I know what you mean just waiting for treatment to begin!  Diagnosed 12/21 and when I finally had the meeting w/onc after all the scans, biopsy, etc, saw onc on 1/9...and she said, "Let's start treatment today!"  I was totally freaked and asked to start the next day.  I never thought there'd be a day that I said I was glad to be back in chemo!!!! 

    Pearl...I had no idea that's what the TDM1 is!!!  It kind of scares me to think of something replacing herceptin..although I had it for a year 09-10, and it didn't quite work the miracle we'd all hoped it would....sorry to sound like a downer...cause I am alive and it's "only" in my liver so maybe it did arrest many bad cells.  I'll be asking my onc about it next week!

    OMG...AIC & FUJI...your good news feels as if it's happening to all of us!!!!  It's the most wonderful feeling to know we all celebrate these momentous tests and scans.  I was ecstatic on Thursday when my chemo nurse came in and said she'd just read my blood tests and my liver enzymes ROCK!  She said they were in the normal range...that after 3 treatments.  Said my tumor markers were good (although they always are!), but my wbcount was down so I had to forego Navelbine :(  I talked to my cousin and said I was so sad I didn't get chemo...she said, "I'm writing that down...sad cause you can't have chemo!"  It did sound goofy but...HEY...my liver enzymes are NORMAL...that's a really good thing...and I want those NED dances too!  I had my herceptin & neulasta...which the past couple days have given me some aches in the ribs and hips...big time! 

    Kaelia...I'm just a couple tx behind you...waiting to hear good news after your next tx..it'd be awesome to be just on h/p!!!

    Spam...I think I'm enjoying the bounding effects of navelbine...when I hear what perjeta does! 

    Sending all healing, happy thoughts for a beautiful Sunday!  Our DS, DIL, Grandaughter & Doggy are going home to CA after 6 weeks.  Loved having them here but it sucks not to feel well enough some days to do the normal fun Gma things.  Some day soon...I'm sure! 

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited February 2013

    RonnieKay the herceptin worked for me along with Femara for almost five years.  After it came back, my onc insisted that I stay on the herceptin as he said that in his experience, the herceptin was still helping and that things would be much work without it.  I trusted him with that and I've been somewhat stable with my bone mets for the past four years.  His feeling about the TDM1 is that it is a better form of herceptin, so here's hoping that it works for all of us.  The best thing I've heard is that the side effects are easier to tolerate than the perjeta. 

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited February 2013

    Pearl...When I was told I was stage IV, my onc took me off my femara (which I'd had since first diagnosis 09), and said she wished she'd have been able to keep me on herceptin the entire time.  Did you stay on it because you were stage IV?  I don't know if it was insurance or what...hindsight 20/20.  So...when you're able, the TDM1 will replace herceptin but you'll stay on perjeta?   

  • pearlady
    pearlady Member Posts: 882
    edited February 2013

    RonnieKay, I have been Stage 1V since August 2001.  I was on herceptin and femara from 8/03 until early 2009 and was NED for that time period.  When the bone mets came back in early 2009, he took me off the Femara and switched me to Aromisin, but still kept me on the herceptin.  He had said that in his experience it would be a mistake to stop the herceptin since although the bone mets had come back, he said that the herceptin was still working.  I have been on herceptin continuously since August 2003 and luckily no heart issues. 

    Yes, when the TDM1 is available, he will switch from Herceptin to TDM1, but I will still stay on the Perjeta. 

    Are you taking an aromotase inhibitor now? 

  • ango74
    ango74 Member Posts: 255
    edited February 2013

    Well Ladies, it looks like I will be joining this club next week.  I have been on TDM1 for the past 7 months and it worked great on my liver mets but not so much on my lung mets.  I had some progression in my lungs on my last scan so I am off the trial and am suppose to start this combo next week. I'm nervous!!!!! I HATE the D! I've been lucky and not had a ton of bad side effects since I've been stage IV.   Anything I should do or take before the chemo to help with the D. 

  • kingcour
    kingcour Member Posts: 93
    edited February 2013

    Lomotil helps mine. Ask your doc for a prescription. Also eat foods that won't aggravate your stomach. That has helped me the most.

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited February 2013

    King our have you thought anymore about surgery for the breast tumor.?

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited February 2013

    kingcour i meant.  sorry.

  • kingcour
    kingcour Member Posts: 93
    edited February 2013

    Yes, I will have a scan after my last tx in march. If all is still clear, I will go on P and H only and have the surgery. I just want to be done with the mother ship!

  • kingcour
    kingcour Member Posts: 93
    edited February 2013

    I went in for treatment today and only got P and H due to a case of bronchitis right now. I am a little scared, but also thankful for a break as we are going to Disney World the 17-24, and I need all of the energy I can get. My doc assured me that things would be fine as I am very stable, but it still makes me nervous. I guess it is a good trial run of being on maintenance though as he checked my tm's today and will check them in 3 weeks when I go back for the next full load. They have always been reliable for me. Prayers please for my stability to continue. I am hoping this will give my numb feet a break and maybe I will grow some hair in my bald spot!

  • SPAMgirl
    SPAMgirl Member Posts: 1,470
    edited February 2013

    Which drug gives us the big D? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • bhd1
    bhd1 Member Posts: 3,874
    edited February 2013

    Spamgirl., I was in tacit err

    and herceptin carboplatin the first cancer treatment and had no D. So I would think the perjeta causes D

    Kingcour I hope the bronchitis clears up soon and u have a great trip.

  • fujiimama
    fujiimama Member Posts: 800
    edited February 2013

    For me the big D hits from Perjeta a week before the next treatment. It's definitely from perjeta.I was on herceptin for a full year with no big D. Yes I am a bit of a rule breaker, I was treated at stage III with taxotere and herceptin along with carboplatin. Got the NED and survivor talk had my last herceptin late April and my port taken out. scheduled to do an oopherectomy so I could go on femera (tami hated me). By June 2 my t11 had a met that had eaten 30% of the bone. Instead of getting an oomph, I got a titanium cage and rod. Going several months without any cancer "birth control" was not good. My oncologist will never take me off either herceptin or perjeta as long as my body will tolerate it. I know per/her/tax was supposed to be for stage IV that hadn't been on herceptin before. But some how my oncologist worded it right because I was accepted for it. How many of you have been on her before? I also get zometa now and depolupron to chemically shut down my ovaries. I feel like a walking bag of chemicals. My hair is growing back fast which my oncologist giggles at. He said that with all the chemicals they're putting in me they love seeing people with hair. Never thought about what it must be like to see people all day that you are trying to help by making them feel crappy and bald. :-) I know it another long winded post. It's nice to have people who get it reading. I'm having to stay up. My 2 year old got a tummy bug, dh went to get pedia lite. I'm on puke duty. No excuse not too. My wbc is normal and I'm pretty sure I had the bug first. Ha aha! I'm so used to feeling crappy I can't tell when I'm sick. This bug is going through the house with no fever. Ahhh rambling again! By all for now have a great evening.

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