Lumpectomy Incision Size - Tamoxifen Concerns

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MichelleLee
MichelleLee Member Posts: 24

Yikes...I had a Lumpectomy on 1/8/13 for 2 Inv Duct tumors and DCIS all on the left. BS said the incision would be about 2"...came out of surgery with a 5" incision starting at the nipple going straight up ending inches below my shoulder. Good news, path report showed clear margins and the 5 lymph nodes removed were all negative. Almost 3 weeks post surgery, still in a lot of pain...worst in my armpit and pain goes all up thru the inside of my arm down to my hand when I reach out or up with my arm. Incision still looks quite welted, puffy, stings all the time, but not red. Is this all normal or should I be worried? I see my RO this Wednesday to get tattooed and measured for 6 1/2 weeks of radiation. Hope he can tell me things are looking and feeling normal...also MO wants me to start Tamoxifen after radiation, but I am considering not doing it because of all the horrible side effects. Advice?

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2013

    michelle - I did not have a lumpectomy but as you can see I have had a lot of BC related surgery.  I am sorry that you ended up with a larger incision than you were told to expect, but you are right, it is good news that you have clear margins and no positive nodes.  It sounds like you may have some cording which might be causing the pain down the inside of the arm to the hand.  This is fairly common with node removal - and 5 nodes for a SNB is a little more than usual.  I would suggest that you request a physical therapy referral so they can do some gentle stretching and massage. It is best to see a physical therapist that is certified to treat patients with lymphedema.  I am not suggesting that you have lymphedema, but you don't want someone who is not experienced with breast cancer patients to cause a new problem because of their lack of knowledge.  As far as taking Tamoxifen, it is important to realize that ladies who are taking Tamoxifen and having no problems with it are probably not posting on this website - they are just out living their lives.  You can always stop taking it if the side effects are too difficult, but it is worth trying to see if you do well with it.  I take an AI as opposed to Tamoxifen, but I was willing to try it to see if I could tolerate it.  Sometimes the initial side effects dissipate as your body adjusts.  I would suggest that you go to the "My Profile" section by clicking in the upper right hand corner of the screen and filling out you diagnosis info.  People who have a similar circumstance can often offer better advice if they know the specifics of your diagnosis and treatment.  Good luck!

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited January 2013

    Thanks so much for the reply...talked with a friend who also suggested PT for possible cording. Looked that up online and sounds like what I am experiencing. Also thanks for the positive advice on the Tamoxifen debate...my MO also suggested trying it to see what/if any side effects I might encounter, saying the benefit out ways the risks. I tend to always get the side effects from any medicine (lightweight?) so am so scared. Will consider for a better outcome! Already have enough medical issues, and am afraid of adding any more. Hope you are doing well with your diagnosis and treatment, sounds like you have gone through a lot and I wish you all the best!

  • daisymom46
    daisymom46 Member Posts: 19
    edited January 2013

    Hi Michelle ~ I had lumpectomy surgery almost 6 weeks ago.  I only had one (sentinel) node removed but similar to you experienced severe pain in my armpit and inner arm. This was more painful than surgery site! I am sorry to hear that your incision was larger than anticipated.  so glad to hear like 'specialK' said that your margins were clear!  I have heard also that physical therapy my help with that. My arm has felt a little better every day so I'm hoping that you will do the same.  Hang in there.  I, too, am supposed to start on Tamoxifen too and know that most responses and comments on blogs, etc are negative, but I have had several friends with complications.  it is a personal decision for everyone.  I spoke with my oncologist about my concerns (greatest being higher risk of uterine cancer) and asked for ultrasound because of symptoms I have been having for several months (bloating, pain, heavy bleeding during cycles, spotting/bleeding between cycles) Had ultrasound and hysterosonogram this week showing a .8cm polyp in my uterus. (I know these are fairly common...and it could be nothing.)I will be visiting gynecologist on Monday for plan of action of this (was supposed to start Rads Monday but will wait a bit on that)  I have decided that even if test for this comes back fine I am not going to go on Tamoxifen.  I am researching some healthier/natural treatments (not to be started until after radiation) instead.  Good luck in your research gathering and decisions.

  • ali68
    ali68 Member Posts: 1,383
    edited January 2013

    Hi Hun, yes it's normal to have pain, cording, tightness, swollen hand and numbness from upper shoulder down to armpit and your back.



    Every few hours, both arms together lift them from your sides up to your head( ten times)

    I had all my lymph nodes removed so I have the worse outcome yours will not be as bad.



    Tamoxifen, I took it after surgery because I was very high risk. So started it when I did rads, not a good idea and your SE are ten times worse. So I had terrible burning sensation through my body ( very bad hot flushes) got very down and had aching body.



    If you can wait till after rads i would, some have horrible SE others nothing. I'm five months on Tamoxifen and feeling a lot better now.

    Another tip, if anyone has had lymph nodes removed and is on Tamoxifen don't drink alcohol it makes it a hundred times worse.

  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited January 2013

    I have been taking tamoxifen for nearly a year now and am experiencing no serious side effects.  I started taking it two weeks before radiation ended and everything went smoothly; a few minor side effects (i.e., vaginal discharge) that disappeared very quickly.  I, even, lost 10 pounds during the first month of taking tamoxifen!

    I am very athletic and active, and haven't needed to slow down one bit. 

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited January 2013

    Good to know Tamoxifen works for some...you don't know until you try! So I will give it a try after rads as suggested by my MO. Would be nice to lose some weight while on it, I have always heard the opposite...you are lucky! Good Health to you!

  • crazyride43
    crazyride43 Member Posts: 154
    edited January 2013

    Michelle, I know it seems so crazy that we need to put ourselves into the hands of our doctors and they can't really tell us what to expect to better prepare us, but that's often what seems to happen.  I asked my surgeon prior to surgery about where she was going to make the lumpectomy incision, and she honestly said "I won't know until I get in there".  So sorry you ended up with a bigger scar than expected, but so great that your margins and nodes were clear!  I had physical therapy after radiation and learning how to stretch and exercise my arms properly helped a lot.  I also rub vitamin E oil (max strength capsules) into my scars and massage them every morning and night and they are so much better 6 months post surgery and 4 months post rads.  I also use coconut oil as a moisturizer most nights and the skin on my radiated breast is super soft and almost all discoloration has gone.  As for Tamoxifen, I was pretty scared to start too, but my MO said it was my "home run" in terms of treatments.  I figured I should at least try it and not freak out too much about side effects unless they actually happened.  I weaned myself onto the full dose over 2 weeks (5mg for 3 or 4 days, then 10mg, then 15mg etc).  Who knows if that helped, but it certainly helped me mentally!  For the past 4 months I have barely noticed any side effects that I can attribute to Tamox, and being on it hasn't stopped me losing 20 pounds with a healthy diet and exercise plan.  I know everyone is different, but it's worth a shot and you can always stop if the side effects are too awful.

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited January 2013

    Thanks for the info on what to put on the scar...I started using Mederma, but it stings a little. I have a hard as a rock spot next to the incision that has no feeling and maybe light massage with vit e oil would help that too.



    Good to hear Tamoxifen worked for you! I will talk with my MO about weaning myself onto it, sounds logical :-) also want to lose 20-30 pounds and am encouraged by you!



    Take care...

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2013

    michelle - thanks for the good wishes - that is sweet.  I am doing fine, but it has been a long haul!  Something you may want to consider for your incision is silicone scar strips (link below), or Kelocoat, which is silicone gel.  It is supposed to flatten the scar out.  There is a member named omaz who has a skin care regimen to use during rads.  Her RO said he had never seen anyone who weathered rads with skin that looked as good as hers.  If you PM her, tell her I told you to, she will give you the info.

    http://www.target.com/p/scaraway-professional-grade-silicone-scar-treatment-sheets-1-5-x-3-8-count/-/A-13107196?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=%7C13107196&CPNG=Health+Beauty&kpid=13107196&LID=PA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=13107196

  • MichelleLee
    MichelleLee Member Posts: 24
    edited February 2013

    SpecialK...Thanks so much for the information! Will look into it further as I am now 3 weeks post lumpectomy and still have raised welts, and a hard spot (with no feeling). I start radiation next Wednesday. I will send omaz a PM and let her know you forwarded me the info!

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