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  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited January 2013

    Heavenschild - 

    I can't tell you how much strength I get from the words 'Worth it? Yep.' As I wait for my surgery date things like this really get me through.

    Also love Marty's advise on not getting overwhelmed by preparations. I'm making obsessive lists in my head all day - which is also what I did before chemo, and it's true - everything fell into place. In fact, one year later and I've still got frozen soup that I made. By the way - it's horrible! Can't believe the ride my tastebuds have given me. Maybe it wll be delicious after my next  surgery.

    Janet

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited January 2013

    Janet - It did help me to put the obsessive head lists down on paper (or ipad).  I use Evernote a lot and had created a bunch of check lists.  Really made me feel like I was under control - to check off that I actually put socks in my suitcase.  Little things do the strangest things.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited January 2013

    I am a big believer in lists too. It does help focus my thoughts and makes me feel a bit more in control. Of course, as soon as I make a list, I seem to lose it, so then, make another list....... Quite funny when "after the event" I find lists all over the house and in every pocket.....for weeks!

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited January 2013

    MartyJ - 

    For me, making lists falls under the category of 'Doing Everything I Can'. Like the DIEP itself, and my buckets of bluberries, I want to do everything I can to be prepared.

    I'm loving this thread. I love the wisdom, the advise, the stories, and the triumphs.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited January 2013

    Janet, I love this thread too. There are some unbelievably supportive people here. But.....could you explain the buckets of blueberries Laughing

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited January 2013

    Nihaha - Anitoxidants! Some studies have shown the blueberries help prevent cell damage, and increase immunity. And they're delicious! I freeze wildbluerries and put them in my oatmeal every morning.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited January 2013

    Gotcha! In fact, I'm sitting in front of my usual breakfast right at this moment.... Yogurt, branbuds and BLUEBERRIES, YUM!

  • faith729
    faith729 Member Posts: 244
    edited January 2013

    Ok ladies just got back from my PS appointment and my CT scan looked great! So we will proceed with the DIEP april 1st as planned. I asked all of my remaining questions and left feeling happy to proceed.

    I did however find out why they were looking at my liver and that was because they discovered some masses in the liver and with my history they felt it was best to look into it further. They said they believe they are just cysts but to be sure my breast surgeon may want to biopsy. I would be lying if I said that I wasn't freaking out just a little because the words metastatic cancer don't sit well obviously. But that being said I am choosing to relax and not worry till or if there is need to.

  • faith729
    faith729 Member Posts: 244
    edited January 2013

    Oh and also this definitely makes me remember that this surgery will definitely be "Worth It" :) have a great day ladies!

  • gotoell
    gotoell Member Posts: 29
    edited January 2013

    Hi Ladies, I had my first post op yesterday and had 2 of my 4 drains taken out, I am really not draining much but my PS wanted to leave the other 2 in until Monday. One of the drains was pretty painful and he took that one out and I feel like a new woman. He said I did not have any fluid buildup in my abdomen and everything looks great. The flap is soft and warm and there are no areas of concern...yeah! He shared with us the play by play on what and where he attached everything from flaps he stacked to the arteries and vessels he connected....fascinating. He said I was a textbook case for everything going right, just a ton of microsurgery to get there. I got to say I really feel great, sleeping well, moving well and so worth it!

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited January 2013

    Faith.....like your name says, "have faith" that things will be just fine, and yes, I agree, it will be "worth it" for sure.

    Gotoell...Glad you are doing so well, and were able to get rid of the problem drain. Keep healing.

  • wraithg
    wraithg Member Posts: 93
    edited January 2013

    I have decided to do a bilateral masectomy with diep reconstruction . I really only need to do the left breast where cancer has come back after 14 years. The more I thought about it the more I felt I should do both. I don't have a huge risk of it returning to the right side but even the smallest risk is enough for me.  The procedure can only be done once and I would rather have two breasts looking similiar than worry about ever having it happen again. Honestly I wonder whether I am doing this because of vanity. I am afraid of the length of the surgery,10 to 12 hours under is a very frightening. I worry about the recovery and the time it will take . I freelance and can't earn any money while not working. I don't get sick pay but my health insurance may cover some costs. I am very lucky to be in toronto canada knowing that my health care is covered and that our doctors are excellent. Surgery will be sheduled for mid february. There is some time to change my mind about a unilateral or bilateral. I am trying not to think about it too much or should I say over think it. Its great to read the experiences of others. The thought of the drains and pain . Owwww. Hope I can take it all. 

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited January 2013

    Congrats gotoell!  I see that you are kind of a neighbor here in Cali (I live in Pasadena).  It feels so good to get the drains out. 

    Geralyn:  I elected to get both done, even though the right one was cancer free, but had gone through a couple of lumpectomies and radiation.  I don't regret it.  No more mammos.  You will need help afterwards, even if for a couple of hours a day.  My doctor told me it took three weeks to get back to normal and I believe her. The good thing is if you freelance, you can work at the computer, hopefully your vocation involves some type of sedentary computer work.  The operation was 10 hours, but it seemed like every other operation I've been through.  Blessings in your journey.

  • wraithg
    wraithg Member Posts: 93
    edited February 2013

    Thank you for that support. It makes my decision feel right.  Unfortunately I do alot of standing and lifting at work. I will probably cash in some retirement savings but kind of looking forward to the break , it gives me a great excuse to not work for awhile. Positives are rest, tummy tuck, and no mammos!! 

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Geralyn, I can say without hesitation, if I was in the same scenario, I would chose a bilateral - ABSOLUTELY! Remove the "what if" forever, and move forward with life. Also, you will likely have a better symmetry. Yes, it is a long surgery, but there have been lots of assurances from various surgeons that it is not a stressful anesthesia, despite the length. Be as healthy and rested as you can going in, you'll do great and won't EVER have to look back. 

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited February 2013

    Geralyn,

    What's wrong with a bit of vanity?

    A year I had to make the choice of radiation or dble mastectomy with immediate DIEP reconstruciton, and it was a brutally difficult desicion. I thought I was going to have a neervous breakdown (literally) so I went to see a psychiatrist at Princess Margaret (Toronto) to help me talk it through. So we broke it down into all sorts of scenarios, and pro & con lists, and I realized that one of the things that is really important to me is symmetry. I'm bilateral and had two lumpectomies, one on each side. But the right tumor was much larger so that breast is crazy looking, while the left one ( sigh) is almost perfect. But having them looking the same matters to me, so that was one of my 'pros'. 

    I  really wanted this surgery but I had all the usual fears. The length of surgery, and recovery, the pain, and time off work (I'm a freelancer too). But I decided that I would just throw my hat over the fence .

    I called a girlfirend and told her all that I was thinking, and she said 'What's missing from all your lists' and I said 'courage'. And she said, 'Well then, we're going to get you some. Book the operation!'

    Congratulations on making a desicion. Sometimes that's the hardest part.

    Janet 

    PS When I met with my surgeon I asked a whole bunch of very intelligent medical type quesitons but the one I really wanted to ask was the one I saved for the end. 'Can I still wear an underwire bra?' The answer. Yes! 

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Janet.....THAT GIRLFRIEND IS A GEM!!!!! Such a wonderful response..COURAGE!

  • wraithg
    wraithg Member Posts: 93
    edited February 2013

    Wow! I feel so much better and positive about it now. Yes vanity is ok. Thank you , thank you. Another concern is a comment from someone "what about chemo after" ? As far as I know the surgeon doesn't seem to be too worried and if I do masectomy there is very little chance of any cancer coming back, but there is always a chance.  I suppose it depends on the lab reports after surgery.  This other person was concerned as she was told to do chemo after her bilateral to make sure cancer didn't spread. I really don't want chemo, refused it 14 years ago and managed to make it this far. Any thoughts on after care , femara, chemo etc.?

  • ketch
    ketch Member Posts: 157
    edited February 2013

    I'm less than 2 weeks away now....my feelings have shifted from excited to nervous. I've been a bit nervous the entire time, but it is now overshadowing the excited!

    I am trying to get everything done that I can think of during these 2 weeks. We just bought a rental house and I am the one who lays the tile. I got the bathroom done Wednesday, this weekend is the kitchen. After that, I am handing over the reigns to the hubby.

    I've been feeling really tired lately--mostly the last 2-3 months. I thought it was everything going on and residual effects of chemo (which they said could happpen up to a year), but the pre-op tests show differently. I've been hypothyroid for years, but apparently my meds need to be increased. My GP did not want to up it and was not comfortable with the amount to increase, so I am awaiting a call from my GYN who is an endocrinologist, too. So I do not know if they will increase the dosage prior to the surgery or afterward. At least, I know why these 5 lbs have come back to see me and why I am tired.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Hope they get the thyroid meds sorted out quickly for you. I would way the excited overlayed by nervous is pretty normal. I seem to be more calm with nervous/scared overtones. We are all choosing a big surgery and an even bigger "body change". It would be impossible not to have lots of emotional colours to this journey!

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Ok, just thought of a new question.....I am having an implant removed (capsular contraction) and redoing with a diep. The implant has been in place about 12 years and is underneath the muscle. My question is: now I obviously have a stretched muscle plus a scar capsule. What is done with the stretched out muscle when they put the diep flap in that spot. The muscle will obviously be underneath the flap. Anyone else in the same boat?????

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2013

    Nihahi - I am in your boat.  I had 2 sets of implants over 27 years. I had lots of scar tissue that they removed.   I do not know the technique used, but once the implant was removed, they adjusted the muscle and stitched it back in place.  I would imagine (emphasis on imagine) that they do something similar to a plication.  That is part of a tummy tuck - when they tighten the abdominal muscles by sort of folding them over and stitching together.

    Biggest challenge now (12 weeks post diep) is that I need to rebuild the muscles because they work a bit differently now that they are back where they belong.  It is nice to flex the pecs and not have your implant flex too.  That was just annoying and wrongSmile.  

    Ketch - so glad you are seeing someone who can work out those thyroid meds.  I am on Armour and like it much better than synthroid (which I was on for 15 years).  Being nervous is good.  Finish all your pre surg tasks and then a sense of calm will come.  It is kind of amazing how that seems to happen for many of us.

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    p.s.  My oncologist told me that since I had a bilateral done, I had a 1% chance of recurrent cancer.  I like those odds.

    Tried to sleep in the *big bed* with my husband last night and felt like there was an elephant on my chest.  Did anyone of you get a wedge pillow, etc., or did you sleep in your recliner until you could gradate to the big bed?

    Ketch:  the waiting is the hardest.  It is good you are keeping busy.   Gentle cyber hugs.

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2013

    Heavenschild - might be too early to try to lay flat in bed.  I used pillows under my knees and behind my back.  These helped prevent me from rolling onto my side.   My doctor didn't want me sleeping on my side for 6 weeks and longer for stomach.  Go very slowly, give yourself plenty of recovery time before you push yourself to do more.

  • PeggySull
    PeggySull Member Posts: 686
    edited February 2013

    Hi, I meet with a reconstruction plastic surgeon a week from today. From my reading I am looking at a DIEP or a direct to implant reconstruction. I know he does DIEPs.



    Is there a list of questions to ask a potential ps. I've read so much during chemo but now I'm chemo brain and can't think of what to ask.



    Help!

    Peggy







  • BleuGirl
    BleuGirl Member Posts: 21
    edited February 2013

    Hello Everyone - I am finally feeling up to posting an update since my surgery on Jan 17th.  The surgery was 13 hours long on a Thursday, I was in the critical care unit until Sunday night when they transferred me to a normal room, I went home on Tuesday night the 22nd (although he gave me the choice to stay until Wednesday). I have been recovering from home and I think doing well but it has been hard.  I ended up with a drain in each breast which both came out on day 8 and 1 abdominal drain which came out on day 15.  My abdominal incision looks great and is healing nicely.  The donor skin on my breasts is great but my original breast skin is not doing so great.  I have several areas where the skin has died and will eventually fall off.  PS says there will be an open wound in these areas but they will eventually heal but with scarring.  He said he will be able to revise these scars in phase II. 

    Although these last 2 weeks have not been easy I have also been blessed with some wonderful news:  The sentinel node biopsy removed 1 node and it is negative; my final pathology report did not reveal any surprises (DCIS - although changed to grade 3 instead of 2); my BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes came back negative for any mutation; and my oncologist does not recommend that I take tamoxifen so my "treatment" is complete.

    I have not been sleeping well at all which is why I think I feel so crappy during the day.  I think I am not sleeping well because my CPAP machine (I have sleep apnea) works a little differently when I sleep on an incline instead of flat so I end up waking up each night anywhere from 4-7 times to take a sip of water because my mouth is completely dry.  Last night I tried again to sleep flat but with my feet propped up still to try to be able to get a better nights sleep but shortly after I layed down I started getting terrible stabbing pains in the center of my left breast. I ended up re-positioning on my wedge because all I could think of was this was happening because I was not on an incline.  Any ideas what could cause this?  Do you think these are phantom pains?

    My family has been taking great care of me.  I still need help getting out of bed but can get back in by myself. I have been able to shower alone since day 5 including washing my hair.  I start physical therapy this Monday and I am looking forward to working on my range of motion. 

    I want to get a Marena binder but was wondering which is best, the abdominal binder or one of the girdles?

    I will try to get caught up on all the posts and update the schedule list soon.  Thank you all for yours thoughts, prayers and concerns.

  • MartyJ
    MartyJ Member Posts: 1,859
    edited February 2013

    Blue - so glad you checked in.  Been worried.  Glad you got the great news.

    Yes, the recovery part is hard, but it does get better each day.  Don't expect too much and you will be pleasantly surprised.

    I can't help with the C-Pap, but would suggest that if you get a Marena get a girdle with the open crotch.  I don't know if your doc put you in a binder or a high-waisted girdle.  Mine put me in a high-waisted girdle (from knees to just under bust).  I got the same type of thing in a Marena.  Since you are now 2 weeks out, look at those zipperless options.  Love mine!

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2013

    BlueGirl - glad to see you back!   I don't know how bad your sleep apnea is, but if you sleep sitting up most of the apnea goes away  I tried to sleep on my back and it wasn't a good experience, although I really enjoyed the proximity to my husband, which I have missed.  Lots of heaviness in my chest area when I lie down.  I also am pretty achy and my sternum hurts.  You might also want to call your sleep apnea doc and explain the situation to him. 

  • BleuGirl
    BleuGirl Member Posts: 21
    edited February 2013

    Martyj- do you mean the marena mid body compression girdle with open crotch?? I just

    Want to make sure I get the right one.



    Heavens child- my sternum hurts too. My sleep apnea was interesting, when I was still in the critical care unit they had the pulse oximeter on my finger all the time. I was positioned on an incline similar to how I am trying to sleep at home. When I would dose off during the day without my Cpap mask on the alarm would sound every time because my O2 saturation would get down to 89. I guess this just confirms that I do have sleep apnea.



    I wanted to pass on 3 items I don't think I could have gotten through the hospital stay without for those of you who haven't had your surgery yet. #1 silicone ear plugs- not the foam type but silicone ones. These helped me to get really god sleep in between nurse checks. I think ALL patients admitted to any hospital should be given these. #2 back scratcher - I am an itchy person so this came in handy to help reach areas that I couldn't reach due to my limited movement soon after surgery. It also came in handy to help reach things on my tray that were just out of reach. #3 tissues from home - I'm not sure about your hospitals but mine had tissues that felt like sandpaper. I ended up with a cold 3 days post op and soft tissues made me more comfortable.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited February 2013

    Thanks for the feedback Marty about the stretched muscle. Yes, I cannot wait to be able to "activate" my pec muscle without my implant folding in!!!!!! Are you doing physio??? How long did it take before you were comfortable lying flat to sleep???

    Bleugirl, so glad to hear you're back with us. Thanks for adding me to the list. Sounds like you had a tough go post-op! So happy to hear your reports came back so positive. Now all your energy can go towards healing. 

    What is up with sternum pain??? Is it due to accessing the vessels in the chest to join the ones coming from the flap, or is it because of something else?

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