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Well I am 8 months post amputation and wondering more and more why I wanted to live as I just don´t feel like I am, I am going through the motions of living.......

Its way past midnight, I went out last night to a concert type social event where everyone was in good spirits, singing and dancing along to the music etc, all knowing the words and nothing touched me - I sat there in tears some of the time and the whole evening was an ordeal.....the only thing that fitted was the words of a song - Somebody is lonely, somebody is crying, somebody is dying and I thought "that´s me, this is my song", yet I don´t really believe the last bit, but worry I will make myself die in thinking like that even fleetingly, but then what is so great about living as I feel now? I do feel like I have died inside.......I have no sense of joy anymore.

I feel so cut off from people and nothing gets through really, I can see people maybe reaching out to me but its like they are a long way away.........I am in tears anywhere at the slightest trigger and tonight it was just the sheer number of people there........so I tried to move around unseen if you see what I mean.......I know people who are dying or have died of cancer recently who wanted to live like mad so what kind of person am I to feel the way I do when they would have given anything to be like me and have chances to live? 

I did see a counsellor but it was totally unhelpful, she had clearly never had any experience of cancer patients and I did not get anything helpful out of it at all....I don´t even know what I want or expect from posting here like this but I am on verge of tears again........

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  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited January 2013

    OMG - I just read my post back, I sound really loopy, am I? (Not been drinking any alcohol by the way, stone cold sober)

  • momof3boys
    momof3boys Member Posts: 896
    edited January 2013

    Lily- I hope tomorrow is a better day for you. Please know that we all have days / feelings like yours and you are not alone. ((((((hugs)))))))

  • GottaloveNED
    GottaloveNED Member Posts: 211
    edited January 2013

    Lily, we have similar diagnosis. I am about 3 years ahead of you ( my bmx was April 2009). Everyone has a bad day/week/month since the crap-fest of cancer entered their lives. If it's persistent I would look into a new counselors and/or talking to your onc. I had been dealing with a lot of emotional crap, crabbiness, apathy, weeping, etc. After some research here and talking to my onc I decided to take a vacation from my AI ( I was on Arimidex) and eventually switched to Aromasin. I also added in an anti-depressant (Zoloft) and I am in a better place- not all unicorns and rainbows, but at least not such a "gray" world. So consider whether the AI could be part of the issue and whether it's worth looking into. The arimidex and aromasin boards have a lot of similar stories, if you have time or the inclination.

    In the meantime, sometimes many of us feel like we're too negative. Sometimes the cancer or breast cancer world makes us feel like we're not a good cancer patient if we're not optimistic or " in fight mode" all the time, and for me it's just tiring. I make mental plans for if it comes back, all the way to thoughts of hospice. I try not to let it consume me and go on with my plans in my current/real life. Hang in there... Spring is on the way.. Another cancer anniversary will pass us, and the world will be better again.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited January 2013

    You sound deeply depressed. And why not. Please see if you can get an anti depressant that can help lift your mood, and try to find someone who gets it in the medical world. Your oncologist office should have good referrals or you might contact a breast cancer support organization if you community is large enought to have one.

  • dash
    dash Member Posts: 766
    edited January 2013

    Lily, I'm sorry. I remember feeling like that everyday. A woman I knew told me my kids felt they had lost me because I was so detached from life and just immersed in the world of BC...for a long time. Look how long it's been. for you mere months, of course you are still where you are. people said it's a process and I really didn't understand. But it's a process. It might be a year or 2 or 3 or 4 but you will reach a point where most days you are ok. Be kind to yourself. Give yourself time. Be a friend to yourself.

  • Scaredandworried
    Scaredandworried Member Posts: 97
    edited January 2013

    Lily I cried reading your post.....I have not been diagnosed, but going through tests and feel like I have self diagnosed myself already....I feel like you and feel for you. I get into tears at the littlest of things and I feel detached from my life....

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited January 2013

    Lily,

    This disease really does a number on our emotions. There are, as others have said, therapists who specialize in cancer patients so please use whatever resources are available to you to find one. An anti depressant can be of great help too. I have been on Effexor since my dx and despite being stage IV, have kept the dark days at bay. How are things with family and friends? I know you are not feeling very social but don't isolate yourself. You use the word amputation, did you have recon?

    Be good to yourself .

    Caryn

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited January 2013

    Thank you everyone and those of you who sent me private messages, it does help to not feel so alone but in my real life (ie not online life) I am so unbelievably lonely - there are no nurses, navigators or anything like that here or even cancer counsellors, nothing literally, hard to believe though it is.  I have been waiting for an appointment in oncology since October!  THe surgeon who did the MX promised me recon pre op but now says I lack any tissue for a lat dorsi and that is the only recon he does and that I am too damaged by rads to be suitable for any kind of recon and he cannot refer me to a plastic surgeon, or to any other surgeon at another hospital as the system does not allow it so no there is no hope of recon.

    I tried anti-deps before and they make me feel so dizzy and sick I cannot even get out of bed.......I don´t want to carry on as I am but I just don´t know what to do. I am bored and sick and tired of myself and the life I am trapped in now

  • Moiralf
    Moiralf Member Posts: 1,056
    edited January 2013

    Lily,

    I feel so bad for you. What a fight you have. Having no support from the professionals is increasing your sense of isolation. That is a very standard feeling when your life has been de-railed by a traumatic event.

    How is your doctor at helping. There must be something he/she can do.You are not the only one who has been in a similar position in your area. Not neccessarily cancer but in needing emotional support.

    I'm going to agree with the others. The best avenues to help you are most likely anti-depressants and a good councillor. Is there nothing in your wider area that you could scout out. I think you need to get angry and say dammit I deserve help and if no-one will find it for me I will find it myself. You can feel better than you do now, it is possible and you deserve to be able to get your life back and get on with living.

    I'm going to suggest something out of left field and leave it up to you. My husband had bi-polar disorder and has mostly seasonal bouts of severe depression. He hates taking medication and like you they affect him in other ways. He did a lot of research and found that higher quantities of omega 3 fish oils had been shown to help. Usually the dosage for people is 1-2 pills a day. He worked out that for him 10-12 (based on weight) was a therapeutic dose. He has been doing that for the last 5 years or so and has had no major episodes. He can have a week when he feels a bit down but he doesn't fall all the way. Plus there have been no negative side effects. In fact his knees and joints feel much better. My 27 year old daughter who has had long periods of depression is now doing the same thing and is finding it helpful too.

    This is just a suggestion that you might like to look further into. Omega has been proven to help with depression and higher dosage work for those with more severe depression. I don't think it would interfer with hormonal treatment but you should ask your onc or someone else with more medical knowledge. Always check first.

    Anything that can help is worth looking into especially if those around you who should be helping you are not.

    I keep thinking there must be something in your area. If people can make comments about how your children are feeling surely they can see that you need professional help. This is not common everyday sadness about nothing. You have taken some major blows in your life and you need help to get back on your feet.

    I really hope you push hard for yourself even though you probably don't feel you have the strength right now. Do it for your children then, they deserve a happy mother and you deserve to be a happy woman.

    Moira

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited January 2013

    Querida Lily.

    Lo siento, pero no vivo en Espana. I know this might sound really crazy but is there any way you could re-locate, even temporarily, to someplace where there is more professional and personal support for you? This disease is a bear to deal with and can make us feel isolated even in the midst of a crowd. For the time being, know that we are here for you.

    Abrazos,

    Caryn

  • mrenee68
    mrenee68 Member Posts: 383
    edited January 2013

    Lily, please know that you are not alone. Many women feel the way you do. As hard as it is you need to keep asking for help. Sometimes doctors don't get it until we force them to get it. Have you thought about finding a cancer support group? You can contact the American cancer society and they can match you up with someone to talk with. Have you tried exercising? When I start to have bad sometimes dark thoughts, I will walk and it has helped. I was not a very positive person before BC and even less so now. I hope that in a few years this will all just be a bad memory and I can move on, but only time will tell. Hang in there and keep asking for help, there is someone out there that is waiting to help.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited January 2013

    THank you again - there are NO cancer support groups here, no cancer nurses, and no specialist cancer counsellors, I have already checked all this and asked every charity around, even they don´t have these things.....family doctor has just left and we have no replacement and anyway they are no good at lsitening, just vive out pills and I have tried various anti depressants, they make me so dizzy and ill feeling I feel worse and even more depressed.....I am looking in to natural things like 5HTP as I read you cannot take that with cancer but I have taken it in the poast with success adn no side effects....

    I cannot re-locate as you need a job to rent somewhere and I won´t get one in my mid 50´s and so cannot afford to rent anywhere and pay the mortgage on my house here....and renting my house out here will not cover the mortgage....

    I do Zumba and have kept that up adn it does help but I have been ill with various viruses that has meant I could not go every week....I blame rads as never had this for so long before (3 months now)so I feel all out of options really  as what I need just seems to not be available.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited January 2013

    All right, how about this, does your insurance company provide access to 24 hour nurse navigators and counseling ? Many of the major insurance companies have nurses available 24/7 to talk and advise. Is there a crisis hotline in your county/state? That is if you are in US. You haven't said so its hard for us to help. Many states use 311 as a number to find out what resources are available to you.



    Here is a website with various cancer helplines. Maybe the first one could be of some help.



    http://www.webmd.com/cancer/cancer-helpline



    Best wishes that you find a way out of your sadness.

  • Heathersmom
    Heathersmom Member Posts: 46
    edited January 2013

    Lily,

    I was on Femara and felt like you most days. Especially the part about questioning what was I fighting so hard for (doing all the cancer treatment)...just to feel empty and alone and scared.

    Vitamin D and fish oil helped me feel alittle better, I was taking 3,000 I.U. a day of Vitamin D. You could get your Vitamin D levels checked to see if you are deficient. I started with 1,000 I.U. a day and slowly increased it until my levels got into the normal range. I am now taking 2,000 I.U. a day to keep my levels steady.

     I eventually went off Femara and onto Tamoxifen because of the daily pain and the emptiness I felt that seemed to get worse as the months went by. I wasn't quite as depressed on tamoxifen.

    I hope you find resolution to your situation. Don't stop seeking out help....there are alternatives to anti depressants that are natural, they may not make you feel "on top of the world" but at least alleviate some of the negative feelings.

    There is light at the end of the tunnel....I have been off the anti estrogen treatment for 8 months and I feel much more like my old self. I don't think I will ever be as I was.....cancer took my "muchness" and also took the dreamer in me away. But I feel so much better than I did under the influence of femara and tamoxifen.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited January 2013

    THank you - I am taking Vitamin D although my levels are well within normal, and fish oils, but very interested femara had that effect on you as I have wondered about this - it started to get worse about 4 months after starting femara (or rather the generic, letrozole) ...........I am in Spain not the USA, and as you know we are in crisis....

    Maybe I should look at the natural things like Indole 3 CArbinol as that is supposed to work but without the side effects......

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