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  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited January 2013

    susancats, I didn't feel fatigued until about #20-21. I had 25 plus 5 locals. Similarly, being really red wasn't until later. I was maybe only a little pink at 10. I moisturized on my days off too. In fact, I started moisturizing that area a few days before I started rads.  My skin held up well, I only have a little peeling and only a couple itchy spots and while I don't think the moisturizer is the whole ticket to that kind of success, it is supposed to help. We have all been through the fire now, so to speak, so how much of our emotional rawness is tamoxifen versus raw nerves I don't know but tam makes its contribution. For most of us, our bodies are supposed to get used to the tamo and balance out somewhat. I definitely had way more vag discharge at first (it's a side effect for sure) but no period - I'm close to menopause though so I might not get periods. The discharge is still a bit heavier than pre-tamo but not quite as bad as the first few weeks. I have not had a yeast infection and I'm fairly prone to them. I do take probiotics most days though and they are purported to help with that.

    cowpower, oooo fabric shopping! I'm a little jelly.

  • PatinMN
    PatinMN Member Posts: 920
    edited January 2013

    Hi Loafer. I started rads 1/8, 28 plus 5 boosts. On 1/7 someone posted a link on the September chemo board to the results of a ten year study indicating that for early stage BC the 3 week rads was just as effective as the longer treatment schedule. When I went in on the 8th I asked about doing the shorter protocol. The RO said she wouldn't recommend it for me even though I was stage 1a, because none of the study participants had had chemo - they went straight to rads after surgery. I had chemo because I am her2+ (aggressive cancer) and so the study results didn't necessarily apply to me. I didn't know there was a trial going on- the RO didn't mention it to me, so maybe it's only happening at certain centers - ? I know all the ladies on here from Canada or the UK seem to have only 3 weeks of rads max.

  • Loafer
    Loafer Member Posts: 121
    edited January 2013

    Thanks Patin.



    They love me for the Rads trial. I get to participate as high risk - triple negative - and I have scoliosis. This trial is being offered at select centers throughout the US. My RO presented findings in December to the consortium. He's convinced this will be standard protocol inthe US in five years. He said big advantage is fatigue sets in at 3 week mark, which is when you would be done. Will let you know how it goes.

  • Outdamnedspot
    Outdamnedspot Member Posts: 297
    edited January 2013

    Just catching up here...lots to read.  Congrats to all who are done and to those just starting or in the early part, hang in there, it will end.  Moisturize and moisturize some more!  

    I did the Canadian Protocol 16 rads and finished on December 28, the day the fatigue set in.  Three weeks and one vacation later, I am still feeling it.

    I am good until around 6:00 pm and then can barely drag myself around for the rest of the day.  I have been enjoying this mild weather, walking about 30 minutes each morning hoping that by doing some mild exercise, it may help improve my energy level.

    My skin is still quite pink and warm...can really see the radiated area. I had some horrible itching and peeling of the nipple and areola, but thankfully that is healed.  The itching was so annoying.  

    Hoping everyone has a pleasant Sunday and your week ahead is easy with minimal SEs.

  • ridergirl
    ridergirl Member Posts: 443
    edited January 2013

    Susancats I also definitely had that moist feeling when I was on the Tamoxifen. The big nasty period didn't come till after I started chemo, lasted on and off for about two weeks, and since then no sign of another one. Maybe this is what they call chemopause?? But no yeast infections here, although we ar prone to them during chemo as all the good stuff gets killed off along with the bad stuff. Now along comes rads...just learning what to expect there from this thread.

    (((hugs)))

  • susancats
    susancats Member Posts: 51
    edited January 2013

    Thank you allyourbaddays...great insight from someone who's farther along the road than me!! :)

  • susancats
    susancats Member Posts: 51
    edited January 2013

    Thank you Ridergirl- I wasn't sure if I was going to gross anyone out asking that question. I'm sure you'll do fine in Rads since you've already done a very hard task of going thru chemo. I'm fortunate I didn't have to do that. Stay strong!!

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited January 2013

    susancats,  I'd say most women notice something related to rads by the 3rd or 4th week, but the fact that you have nothing so far is an indication that you will probably not be extremely sensitive to the treatment.

    Emotional turmoil from Tamox.?  Definitely.  Will it last forever?  Doubtful.  Puberty didn't.  Your body does make some adjustments at its own pace, and if you had been on BC pills recently, you body will find some kind of new equilibrium.  Tamox. can cause vaginal dryness or it can cause an increase in discharge.  After doing Tamox. for three years, I can say I did not have a single yeast infection.  It's possible, but I don't know that it is more likely.

    Remember, if the S/Es of Tamox. are extreme, let your MO know.  Since the idea is to stay on for five years, there are some strategies and meds that can make it more bearable.  Also worthwhile is to check some of the Tamox. threads and the alternative threads for tips in handling tthe S/Es.

  • fgm
    fgm Member Posts: 831
    edited January 2013

    This may have been answered already but I don't remember the answer. So, I hope someone can help me.  I just went to 3 stores looking for aloe and all I found was lotion with aloe as one of the ingredients. Are you using that or just aloe?  Miaderm, which I've used from day one, has aloe in it, so I don't want more of the same.  Those of you using aloe, where did you find it? 

    Thanks so much.

  • Outdamnedspot
    Outdamnedspot Member Posts: 297
    edited January 2013

    I got 100% pure Aloe gel at a health foods store.  No dyes or scents...it's kind of a pale grey/green colour.

  • fgm
    fgm Member Posts: 831
    edited January 2013

    Outdamnedspot-thanks for the reply. I'll give it a try.

  • cypher
    cypher Member Posts: 508
    edited January 2013

    Susan, you should definitely use the aquaphor and aloe every chance you get.  I haven’t started tamox yet so I  can’t speak to that, but rads has made me super weepy and moody.  I am onto the boosts and I am not feeling the same level of fatigue and my mood has lifted. 

    They sell Fruit of the Earth aloe at my medical center – it’s pretty close to 100% pure aloe.  I am BRIGHT red, and have a little breakage of the skin under my boob (I’m large breasted) but that didn’t happen until late last week, so around 26 days in.  When I was onto the boosts, but that’s not the boost area so hopefully it will start to heal up while I’m still getting nuked next week.

  • cider8
    cider8 Member Posts: 832
    edited January 2013

    My supraclav rad area started peeling last night. Just three days after the last treatment there. It's so much darker than my breast, so I'm still hoping my breast won't get that raw peel. It hurts a bit and looks gross, but ok in the scheme of things. I've been trying to keep clothes off the area but it is not easy. I have not been wearing a bra for a while so I get creative with the flowy cardigans or infinity scarves. Only three boosts left!

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    Fruit of the Earth 100% pure aloe gel is clear, no color added and is sold at Walmart and drugstores, it's inexpensive...This is what it looks like...Hope it helps.. (By the way I haven't even started Rads yet...maybe another week...Good luck girls.

    http://www.swansonvitamins.com/fruit-of-the-earth-aloe-vera-gel-12-oz-gel?SourceCode=INTL405&CAWELAID=553112384&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CPaz-dCx-bQCFQyk4AodU00ABQ

  • Shachar
    Shachar Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2013

    That moment when you hate going in for rads because your skin has healed up so well......

    I got hit with very sleepy the end of last week and increased my vitamin d3 intake. That has helped a lot. It also increased my mood. I ALMOST felt like going back to karate for a few minutes, haha.

    Here I go for 18/25 with Colonel Sanders! I still wont find out how many boosts until I am done with the regulars. I also see my onc today, double wammy! Grrrr....he is nice but oh-so-serious, unlike my radonc.

    Have a great Monday, everybody, and glad you got a start date 5luvbugs!

  • Annette47
    Annette47 Member Posts: 957
    edited January 2013

    Might as well introduce myself as I'm starting today .... I've been lurking on this thread for a couple weeks now, soaking up all the advice about aloe, etc.   Now it's time to put what I've learned into action!

  • Shachar
    Shachar Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2013

    Welcome NJ! The first day is the longest and a bit scary but easier after that.

    I was telling a new rads guy in the waiting room about the aloe I am now using and one of the prostate guys asked to see my bottle. Seems they gave it to him day 1 and he has a week left. Not a single burn or issue. So why do the ladies have to go through a trial with a 50/50 shot of getting the good stuff? At least the new neck guy will have it now. He is a week in and nobody told him anything, and already burning. Sigh....

    So today was long with lots of xrays. They had a hard time getting me lined up and said sometimes tissue density can change so they may have to remap me. I have implants, so no breast tissue to speak of. I got some new pen marks that they will check tomorrow to see....I guess to make sure they are still getting the breast and not my toes, haha!

    Some there get my sense of humor, like colonel sanders, and the rest just look at me like "why is she so happy?"

    The worst part of today was watching an elderly bald woman fall in the lobby as she walked in, obviously doing chemo. Everyone scrambled to get her up and into a wheelchair. The heart breaking part was that nobody was there with her, not a soul. She came in a transport van alone. There is no excuse for that.

  • ridergirl
    ridergirl Member Posts: 443
    edited January 2013

    Shachar just had to comment about the colonel sanders and the radiating your toes. I have tried very hard through this journey so far to keep my sense of humour, which has gotten me some strange looks as well. Mine seems to come out mostly at what most people would find to be completely inappropriate moments,  like during dr appts, but it gets me through. Hope yours has the same effect for youSmile

    Not disagreeing with you here, just offering a personal perspective -  while I agree it must have been terrible to see and no doubt awful for that lady to experience her fall, it could be that she chooses to do these things alone. I say this only because I am very much that way, and sometimes no matter who or what they offer me, I choose to go to appts, treatments etc. alone. Not because I have to, but because that's the way I want it.  Again I mean you no disrespect and certainly don't want to offend any of the wonderful people on this board, as I have been known to tell people in my life who want to make it difficult " I am busy fighting with cancer, i don't want to fight with you".

    Hope your rads journey is as smooth as possible, mine is due to begin with mapping this wed and treatments starting 02/11.

  • Shachar
    Shachar Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2013

    Hey Ridergirl, no offense at all taken! It would certainly make me feel much better to think she chose to come alone. That is something I hadn't considered because I expect dh to go to everything with me, as I would for him.

    Yes, my sense of humor has helped me get through this. My picture in my chart shows me smiling huge and waving. My radonc laughed when he saw it, saying it was highly unusual (ie....crazy, haha).

    I am glad you are going for rads and praying for a miracle for you.

  • stride
    stride Member Posts: 470
    edited January 2013

    Hi Ladies, I have been lurking. I recognize some of you from other forums. I started rads last week, today was number 4. I really, really, really debated long and hard about whether to do radiation. I am getting just a wee bit sick and tired of thinking about breast cancer all the time, and radiation is a daily reminder. But they tell me I have a 25-30 percent chance of local or regional recurrence. So here I am, exploring The Joy of Cooking. I am seasoning with Keri lotion, and so far, so good.

  • fgm
    fgm Member Posts: 831
    edited January 2013

    I've been off rads since last Tuesday.  I was supposed to start the boosts today but when the nurse and doc saw my boob, they told me to wait until Wednesday.   My  boob, esp. on the underside, where they will do the boost, is raw, peeling and hurts.  I asked about silvadene, as some people on this site have used, and the nurse said that it would interfere with radiation.  She did give be Natural Care, which is an aloe ointment.  So now I'm supposed to use that and the Aquaphor instead of the Miaderm.  She also gave me a new dressing material.  Plus, I'm taking Juven which is a powder that I  pour in my juice. It's to build tissue. Plus I do Domboro soaks. My skin is very pale with freckles so maybe that's why it's breaking done.

    When I got in the dressing room, I broke down. (Nobody was around)  I just want to get done.  

    Sense of humor, yes I usually have that too.  Just not today.

  • Shachar
    Shachar Member Posts: 229
    edited January 2013

    Lol @ the joy of cooking! Welcome, stride.

    Fgm, the raw underboob hurts. I dont know why they wont give you silvadine? It isnt like you wear it into rads treatments. It is very soothing to that raw skin and heals quickly. The aquophor made me peel faster, so be careful with that. It was great to remove the dead skin I wanted to come off after healing, but was what caused my underboob and pit to peel rapidly once it started. Air helped me the most, laying under a ceiling fan. Fortunately, it heals quickly. But you are at the end, yippee!!!!

  • ridergirl
    ridergirl Member Posts: 443
    edited January 2013

    Shachar -  thanks so much for your caring thoughts. I am still debating really really hard whether or not to go ahead with rads, I am also as stride said just entirely sick of everything relating to cancer...the tests, dr appts, bloodwork, chemo, side effects...the whole nine yards and not so sure I can take much more right now. Just plain can not make up my mind.

    Stride - Welcome. I haven't been on this thread too long myself but have been on others since my dx in june, and there really are a lot of awesome caring and informed ladies on these boards.  Hope you decide to visit more often.  And LOVE the 'Joy of Cooking' comment sounds vry much like my own sense of humour.

    fgm - hope the skin heels up for you quick so you can just get done!

  • Annette47
    Annette47 Member Posts: 957
    edited January 2013

    For those who have been at this a while, is there a "learning curve" as far as getting positioned correctly quickly?  It took just as long today (first day) as it did at the simulation, so the whole thing took almost twice as long as it was supposed to.   I'm doing it prone and because I am very short, I think the cutout on the table allows for too much of me to show through - between making sure my belly wasn't overhanging and my other boob it took FOREVER.   Sure hoping it doesn't take this long every time.

  • Jazzygirl
    Jazzygirl Member Posts: 12,533
    edited January 2013

    Shachar- the story about the elderly woman falling and no one with her struck a chord in my heart. I do think anyone elderly would welcome the help if it were available. I do a lot of my care alone, but am 52 and able to get around pretty well during this whole thing. I think if I were elderly, I would sure want someone there to keep me steady if nothing else. She could have broken a hip or worse. We really never do know anyone's situation. I have seen a number of older women in the breast surgeon's office or radiation treatment center without anyone there. I suspect there are far more women who go through it alone than we realize.

    Stride-welcome to the group and glad you are lurking to gather info. I think observing before you join is a great idea! I hope your treatments go well. 

    I am now about 10 days since my final internal rad treatment on the left side. My week back last week was up and down with my energy. Cannot figure out if it was from being away/not sleeping well, the reaction of the body to the catheters in and then removed, or the rad itself. Probably all of it. I know they say internal rad does not have the side effects of external including fatigue, but I do feel some fatigue. Will help me to know how to better expect things when I go back in Feb for Part 2.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    Ok, so my 2nd appointment with the Rads Onc is Thursday, I believe they will do the simulation and whatever else they do - what can I expect and how long should this take - haven't started and already don't like it..But I have my Aloe Vera ready Smileand you girls to chat with...

  • Cocobean
    Cocobean Member Posts: 135
    edited January 2013

    Ok, time to get started, been following this thread for awhile, thanks for all the great info...going tomorrow for mapping, practice run on Friday, and the real deal starts on Monday. Kinda nervous, but I like hearing this is easy than chemo...finished that up 3 weeks ago. :)

  • ridergirl
    ridergirl Member Posts: 443
    edited January 2013

    Hi Coco I am also just waiting to start this whole process and would love to know how long each step will take and what to expect. Guess we can have this experience together Smile Also felt really good to hear that this should be easier than chemo

  • susancats
    susancats Member Posts: 51
    edited January 2013

    Thanks! Cypher!! Nuked! Lol

  • susancats
    susancats Member Posts: 51
    edited January 2013

    Thanks! Elimar!! I can do this!! :)

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