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  • Loafer
    Loafer Member Posts: 121
    edited January 2013

    Hi gals -



    Congrats Luvbugs!! Great to be done!!



    I am so sorry monstemom - how awful!!



    Sneaky/anamerty - I have heard of others unable to tolerate the final treatment. Hang in there!



    Thanks Megan for the travel tips!



    Sick of pink - I had the thrush after third treatment and it did impact taste buds as well as blood count. I was most exhausted during that treatment!!



    I go tomorrow for my simulation. Filled out all paperwork and surveys for clinical trial for rads. Will know in a week if I am part of test or control group, it's computer generated and random. I had to agree to be photographed before, during and up to 2 years post treatment to make sure no impact to appearance with accelerated rads. Fingers crossed I get in!



  • Megan2
    Megan2 Member Posts: 70
    edited January 2013

    Let us know how the tatooing goes Loafer. And also let me know if they are using IMRT or 3D something. I was told to go home, read about them on the internet, and let them know which technology I wanted. HA! Isn't that what the radiation oncologist is for? My Med Onc explained the two things to me, but said i could decide. Honestly, four months of almost no info and now its up to me?

    Marian - I had breast conservation, so it can add a week of boosters that masectomy patients don't always get/need. You can get boosters with the short course or the long course, but either way, I have been told the evidence is strong that boosters are a real added benefit for lumpectomy patients as I was told most recurrrence happen within a short distance of the original site. If i go for the short protocol (18 days) with boosters, it really only cuts a tiny bit of time off. Still not sure, and now I have to pick a machine. Geez.

    Loafer - cosmetic differences happen up to 10 years after radiation. We need a boob pics site to go with this to track our firming, shrinking, browning, nipple moving and whatever else it is that can go on. But great idea to photograph. I think I will make it a home project - my shrinking boob, 40-50.

    Monstermom- how's that arm??? Is the bicep still sore?

    Michele - how's the thrush and energy?

    Txjunebug - your sister got the test in the end. Is your other sister going to get it now too? How are you and she taking the news?

    Sick of pink - can you put the editor off a week or so? I find that some of the chemo brain does lift between weeks 2 and 3 - not all of it, but maybe enough to start tackling you edits in teeny tiny doses? It will be so amazing when that book of yours comes out - bravo!

    Anyone else got some liver damage yet? I did my last round of TC yesterday, which was apparently the last one I could safely due given the damage it was doing to my liver. And holy weakness - I had to get the airport to take me to the plane via wheelchair. Couldn't walk. Me in the wheelchair and 400 anxious people all crammed around the door to the plane. I was  first on after a tiring 4 hour layover, so LOVED that bit of special treatment - and it got me to the front of the immigration line too. Luck was with me! I did make myself walk off the final flight, although at a hobble. Am hoping that once the next two weeks are over, the hobbling and crushing fatigue will lift. And its over. On to radiation cakewalks.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    Megan, I give you so much credit..you really seemed to have to deal with so much during your treatment.  You are so strong and determined, you will do well.

    Love Tricia

  • Loafer
    Loafer Member Posts: 121
    edited January 2013

    What an ordeal Megan! You are a strong woman. I actually have had no followup blood work or testing since my final treatment. I had a lumpectomy before the chemo so I don't even know the efficacy of my chemo treatment. I have a follow up next week with onc which is 3 weeks post last treatment. Will they still draw blood to check red/white blood cell counts?



    Going this afternoon for simulation and was not offered any choices about tattooing. Will let you know what I get and how it goes.

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited January 2013

    Megan - energy still very low, thrush yuk. Am going to ask my onc if she can give me anti-fungal pills next round to prevent it altogether. I don't see why she can't.



    Braved the snow today to go out and fetch a McDonalds as I was craving it. Didn't enjoy the food much but strawberry McD's thick shakes are heavenly right now. It's so cold out, I'm going to hibernate for a couple of days. Just hope I don't run out of anything...



    Wishing the best to all you ladies moving on to rads.

  • Loafer
    Loafer Member Posts: 121
    edited January 2013

    I just received my tattoos. They drew on me with a marker, set up wires, and had me go back and forth through a cat scan. After the cat scan, I was tattooed in three places. Small dots that felt like a pin prick. Since I'm applying for the Rads trial, I also had bloodwork to test for blood counts and liver levels. I'll let you know Megan what those results are.



    Good luck ladies finishing up chemo. May you have minimal SEs and get plenty of rest this weekend.



    Hugs!

  • txjunebug
    txjunebug Member Posts: 212
    edited January 2013

    Megan - you deserve special treatment with all you've been thru!!



    Michelle - hope the thrush doesn't get too bad and it warms up soon.



    I had chemo #4 today. Dr. said my feet is a combination of neuropathy and foot and hand disease. Will go away after chemo but will get worse before then. Low RBC is causing the shortness of breath. WBC dropped in half so that's a concern too. She also wrote me a letter so I can work from home full time. It's either that or disability so I'm trying this first.



    We are dealing with genetics news as well as possible. Daughter will get mammogram this month. Sister seeing BC oncologist to discuss options. I'm seriously thinking about double mx for me. Sure don't want to go thru this again. Even though it's not 100 percent it will cut the recurrence rate which for me is as high as 50percent.

  • Loafer
    Loafer Member Posts: 121
    edited January 2013

    Hi junebug - sorry to hear of your neuropathy and blood counts. Hope you get a chance to work from home. It really helps with the fatigue to eliminate the commute. I had negative BRCA results or I would have been making your difficult decision about DMX. I am surprised to hear your onc state a 50% recurrence rate with stage 1 and 0 nodes. What is he basing this on?



    Hugs

  • txjunebug
    txjunebug Member Posts: 212
    edited January 2013

    The genetic counselor gave us those rates based on the fact of where my BRAC 1 mutation occurred. Also have up to 60 percent chance of getting ovarian cancer too. My oncologist has been out for the holidays and now out of country for conferences. I will finally get to see her on my next appointment to discuss all of these numbers.

  • Megan2
    Megan2 Member Posts: 70
    edited January 2013

    We all sound like we are in sorry shape these days with poor red blood counts, white blood counts, livers showing a beating, weak muscles, neuropathy, colds - and then foot and hand di. Geesh. I hope that for everyone, some of the load lightens as this week passes by. Txjunebug, you should DEFINITELY work from home. Going to work is going to make you even weaker than you already are.

    I just slept for 48 hours and feel SO MUCH better.  I do have to force myself to move and get some exercise. The Dr said no matter how much it aggravates sore muscles, it will help. Anyone out there having luck exercising?? Tips for a whimpy, lazy gal me? 

    Loafer - what do the tatoos look like? Are they small, or obvious? Am curious.

  • Loafer
    Loafer Member Posts: 121
    edited January 2013

    Agree Megan. The longer I sit, the more the muscles ache. Got to get motivated to get off the couch and walk on treadmill. Temp here is a brisk 22 - brr.



    The tattoos are very small and look like a dark freckle. Not noticeable to anyone else.



    Ladies are quiet so must be suffering SEs. Have a great weekend!

  • Sneakychiquita
    Sneakychiquita Member Posts: 292
    edited January 2013

    I must have missed the post about hand, foot, mouth disease.  If it is affecting your mouth and you have sores, be sure to ask for magic mouthwash.  I wasn't sure if I had HFM disease (my daughter had it) or chemo sores in the first round so my doc order the mouthwash and it took care of the problem right away.  I think it was HFM because my daughter used the mouthwash as well and it helped her too.  

    Megan - Is there any time of the day that is better for the muscle ache?  If so, be sure to schedule the exercise in for then.  Exercise, even if it's just walking, is so important to do.  And yes, I know it's easier said than done.  I have such a hard time getting out there too.

    Remember my post about dropping the last AC?  After reading a study that found no difference in recurrence for those with reduced dose AND similar pathology to my tumours, I decided to drop the AC.  I was confident with my choice.  Then as the day went on I started to think, "what if I'm one of those who do have a recurrence?"  I couldn't deal with the psychological impact of the decision despite the logical/scientific side of my brain (I work in a scientific field) telling me the decision was wise.  Yesterday, 2 hours prior to my chemo, I tracked down the MO while bawling my eyes out and explained how I couldn't cope with thinking I hadn't done everything possible to minimize a chance of a recurrence so she switched the order back to AC.  I feel like shit (nausea, migraines), but I'm at peace.  

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited January 2013

    I understand you Sneaky. At the beginning my onc said the benefit of 6 x TC over 4 would be minimal and last time I saw her I asked her exactly what she thought it was: 2-3%. She said she'd go ahead and order #5 but that we could reassess after this round. I told her I'd almost definitely carry on. Statistics are helpful but the way I see it, the benefit to me personally could be 100%. If there was just one sneaky cell left after round 4, the extra chemo would make a huge difference. Like you, I have to know that I took everything offered to me. What's a few extra weeks of feeling shit in the grand scheme of things eh? And to be honest, I've done pretty well with no major SEs. You wouldn't think that was the case with all my moaning and feeling sorry for myself!



    I'd probably take even more chemo if they offered it. I want to make sure the bastard is gone FOR GOOD!

  • txjunebug
    txjunebug Member Posts: 212
    edited January 2013

    Sneaky - it's hand and foot syndrome.  NP called it hand and foot disease.  Basically the chemo is leaking out of the small capilaries of my feet and hands.  There is an article about it on this website.  I can tell you my feet look burned and it's painful.  Also peeling the week after the redness subsides some.  I can't take the hot baths in my jetted tub.  Sad about that as it was the only thing that gives me relief from the muscle aches.

    Anyone getting Neulasta and still experiencing drops in WBC counts?  After mine dropped in half after #3, I'm wondering/worried how this round will do.

    Megan - I have been working at home most days but when I do drag myself to the office it wears me out just to get there.  My boss seems to think if I'm in the office then I'm back to 100%. 

  • Loafer
    Loafer Member Posts: 121
    edited January 2013

    Junebug - so sorry to hear of your pain. I had the most difficulty with low counts during #3. Hang in there and get your protein and rest!



    With regards to work, I completely agree. If you are in the office, the assumption is you're 100%. Since I finished chemo, and have some hair from cold caps, they really don't give you much slack. Had out of state boss, bosses boss, and senior executive visit my regional site last week. All men who are supportive, but don't want to know too much. Not only did i play tour guide, focus group coordinator, note taker, cheerleader, visionary and strategist, but after two grueling 12 hour days - I get invited to dinner! I graciously had to decline before I literally fell over from exhaustion. My advise, work from home as often as you can!!



    Off to Florida on business next week. Hoping for some sunshine and warmth for the soul!



    Good luck ladies!!

  • maryah930
    maryah930 Member Posts: 322
    edited January 2013

    Loafer ~ Lucky you - Florida.  I get to go to Omaha, then SLC.  Last winter, I spent the whole winter in FL on business.

    Sneaky ~ That's how I made all of my choices with this damned thing since I've been diagnosed:  "If I had a recurrence, did I do everything in the beginning I could to minimize the chances of recurrence?"  It may not be the way for some people to make choices, but it is mine.  Like you, I am at peace.  I mentally, intellectually, and emotionally feel very comfortable and confident with everything, even when I'm feeling physically like shit.

    I get home Thursday and have my last round of chemo on Friday.  I cannot wait...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    I fought off a triple whammy head cold last week. It was so bad because it hit during my nadir period. I fought it without help from the docs. My WBC was higher yesterday at AC #3 than before I first had chemo. I don't get Neulasta, so it was extra amazing.



    Monstermum~My infusion nurse told me that vein leak happens pretty frequently with AC, but rarely with a port. They do the push infusion where I go with Adriamiacin, but she said, it still happens when you're just using a vein.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    Girls, I just spent 15 minutes posting to all of you and damn, I hit the wrong button and everything disappeared.....  Hope you all had a good weekend, I am still laying low because I am a total germaphobic!!!  One more week and I'm out of here...Do seem to have more bone pain in my chest - guess it's from the Neulasta.  Also nose keeps running and I cough when I lay down and then of course there is the few days of running to the bathroom and barely making it!!  So I guess everything is normal!Kiss

    Have a good night and a good week and all you working girls and mom's take it as easy as you can... Love you girls

    Tricia

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    I CAN'T STOP EATING!!!!! EVERYTHING, ANYTHING...LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY TASTES GOOD!!!WHAT IS IT?

  • maryah930
    maryah930 Member Posts: 322
    edited January 2013

    Tricia, you are asking the wrong person!  LOL  We never give our dog people food, but since chemo, she thinks I'm the best.  I'll crave something, make or order it, take a bite or two, and give it to Mariah because it tastes like soap or cardboard or just plain YUCK!  And the cycle just repeats.  Now when this is over, I'm going to have to break her of the bad habit I got her in to.

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited January 2013

    Your dog is called Mariah?! After Carey?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Tricia~I find things that are stronger tasting works best for me. Salty, spicy, cheesy.

    I can taste McDonalds fish sandwich pretty well and it has 30 gms of protein. When I had treatment #2 I had Taco Bell's grilled Beefy Nacho Burrito 3 days in a row. Also had the Mango Strawberry Fruitista. It was so fruity, flavorful, and refreshing.

    I found that my chocolate was almost tasteless.

    One evening, I had a sausage, egg, & cheese, sandwich on toast. It was tasty. At home I usually have coffee in the morning, then drink flavored water, decaf iced tea, or diet coke. None of them taste good now, so I drink Gatorade. It doesn't Tate great, but at least I'm getting the electrolytes.



    I hope you find something that satisfies you.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited January 2013

    I have random cravings for things, it's like I'm pregnant or something! Right now, the taste really isn't THAT bad but it's still so annoying.

  • maryah930
    maryah930 Member Posts: 322
    edited January 2013

    Michelle ~ No, she had the name Mariah when we adopted her.  Her full name is Mariah Rose.

  • Sickofpink
    Sickofpink Member Posts: 190
    edited January 2013

    Hi there, been busy for a few days - even hiked yesterday - it was painful but so sunny and hard to resist the ocean view - but am paying or it today, very achy and tired.

    Eleni & Loafer thanks for the thrush info. I should have started gargling from the beginning. Next round...

    5LUVbugs, yes I am eating SO MUCH just to see what I can taste before it turns to sawdust. Everyday is different, but all is pretty bad and then I feel guilty about all the wasted calories! Now I heard that the hormones I have to take when my infusions end next November put on 10 pounds..

    And thanks for the words of wisdom about editing, I have a week left to do it but my nose is starting to run without my even noticing, so the eye tearing is bound to follow. Tomorrow I will give it a shot between chemo cloud and bad eyesight. I don't have much to revise, but as you can see mytyping is worse than usual and the pdf directions read like heiroglyphics.

    Anyone else's nails striped with blood bruises..I trimmed the hard white ends and now my nail bed is showing...will they come off?

    Megan, I have liver damage, but possibly from one of my ulcer meds to help the acid SE's. Numbers going up but it's enough to keep me from my beloved cabernet. Not that I could taste it...

    Sneaky, how scary to be the master of your fate when there is no sure thing! When my doc said he might lower the tacxotere because nerve damage from my neuropathy could be permananent, I was scared that it threatened my odds...still don't know what we'll do but I don't want the respinsibility of the decision..you are very brave.

    Loafer, what's with the tattoing? I thought you were talking abotu nipple reconstruction -but is this a mapping thing for rads! I guess I'm glad to work on a need to know basis, but it's a lot of surprises for a control freak....

     How many days for Claritin with the Neulasta? I think I need more days.. seems with everything  even the nausea/ulcer meds/constipation tea, I start getting confident and go off the meds, then blammo...

    Anyone getting massages? I got one amonht ago but am nervous about gers too soon now when I need it...

    Anyone else sick of focusing on how we feel all the time? Feels so narcisistic!! But we need to follow the warning signs to medicate and be aware of harmful SE's...argh.

    Time for a Hallmark movie....sleep well, my friends.



  • Megan2
    Megan2 Member Posts: 70
    edited January 2013

    Yes! I am sick of focusing on being sick too. Having decided to get over myself, I am hoping this will provide the much needed energy to get off the couch and start walking. But my focus is now turning to food just like everyone else. I guess two months of crappy taste does this to people. I dream of the taste of foods, melted cheese, sushi, hot mustard on spicey sausages, fresh tangy fruit. And it all sorta tastes like burnt tongue trying to find a flavor. it will be rediscovering a whole world come spring when the taste buds rejuvenate.

    Sickofpink - never even occurred to me that booze was out given the bad liver numbers. My doctor didn't seem worried about an eventual bounce back, but it would actually have been useful to know if there are good foods or other things to avoid aside from alcohol to cut the organ some slack right now.

    Sneaky and Michele - I don't envy the two of you forcing yourselves to march onwards when you are feeling so much like you want to stop. I fully admit that I would be a basket case if I had to make that choice. I will be hoping that your last two rounds are easier, with the end in sight and the knowledge that you had the strength to keep yourself truckin. We will need cyber maracas to celebrate with those of you who are approaching the finish line after such a rough run.

    On WBCs, mine were worst after round 1 and they were fine after the others. I hope that yours do better this round sneaky - it is an added stress that no one needs.

  • Eleni
    Eleni Member Posts: 130
    edited January 2013

    Week 2 after chemo #4 and I start feeling better. Last Thu en Fr were the worst days. When I started in November, the end seemed so far away. Now I can't wait to for it to be the end of February.

    Everything tastes like dust and I know it's going to last for some time. I still remember from the previous time how happy I was when i realised I can taste again. One more thing I've learned from the previous time, not to over it. I gained 5 kilos and never lost them. So I'm taking care now.

  • Eleni
    Eleni Member Posts: 130
    edited January 2013

    WBC. Twice now I had to go for blood the Friday before the chemo, only for them to tell me that Monday I had to go again. So I told them, I'm not doing that again. Now they've planned me for later on the day on Monday (Febr 4) so in the morning I can do the blood test.

    I don't want to be sick anymore, I want to continue with my life. I had to accept many things the last years, I wish things would come my way for once.

    (Today it's not called Blue Monday for nothing Smile )

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    Eleni you gained last time, Sickofpink, you heard about gaining 10 lbs, I heard lots more ~~~ Your probaby already thin, I need to lose 30 lbs (gained 24 since quit smoking 5 years ago) and I've already gone through menopause and now I will have to deal with all that shit over again. Hot flashes, sleepless nights, bone loss and weight gain!!!!

    I don't what to deal with any of this....not even chapter 3  "The Rads"......and one more thing - I'm sick of chicken soup!!!!!  Tomorrow it will be very cold and I am going to make a copycat recipe of Olive Garden's Minestrone or Pasta Fagioli hearty soup - want some???  Wink

    PS. My muscles have turned to jello!!  Gotta do something about this!!

    Ok, I'm over my bitch and moan session now lets get on with what we have to do!!!  Love ya

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited January 2013

    Maryah - nice names. I love the name Mariah and was a HUGE fan of Mariah Carey when I was younger.

    It sure is quiet round here lately. I've got a bit of a cold now, just as I shoud be starting to feel better. Absolutely zero energy. Nasty taste gone now but taste buds still AWOL.

    Wishing this damn snow would go away so we can all get out and about more easily. It's enough of an effort getting dressed and going out as it is but I just can't be arsed doing it in the snow! But I've not seen anyone in 4 days! 

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