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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Keetmom~I'm so sorry you're going through this again. I can't even imagine how difficult it has to be! I'm surprised the steroids don't help. I pray you get real relief today.



    Monstermum~I've never heard of the chemo leaking out. Wow! That's way scary!

    I'm sorry you've had to go through all that. I'm so glad I have a power-port.

    I can tell you, many of us have had the gum tenderness. I asked that exact question last week. I realized too, that I hadn't been as faithful as before in rinsing my mouth with the salt/baking soda mixture.



    When my Jesse (age24) was little, we used to play a game where I'd chase him in slow speed, hunched over, making faces, and in a very funny but scary voice say MONSTERMAMA. To this day, he still from time to time, calls me monstermama.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • keetmom
    keetmom Member Posts: 432
    edited January 2013

    Paula...they go away while steroids..well I get a HUGE dose in my port prechemo...I keep telling myself only a few more weeks...

  • txjunebug
    txjunebug Member Posts: 212
    edited January 2013

    I've been off the boards a while so much to catch up on! 

    Keetmom - hope you're feeling better.

    Luvbugs - glad to see you're doing better.

    Loafer - would love to be in your shoes and starting rads.

    Michelle - how did the appointment go?

    Me- I have but one word - FATIGUE!!!! Can't hardly do anything without feeling like I need to take a deep breath to get in more oxygen.  Nurse said it's the Taxotere but I might be getting anemic, too.  Also told me to get ready because it will get worse on Friday after round 4.  I was tired some after round two but nothing like this.  Might be going on disability because even working from home is exhausting me. 

  • monstermum
    monstermum Member Posts: 6
    edited January 2013

    After "the event", I asked and they were more than happy to put in a port. The "extravasation" is one of the things they warned me about...very rare... ( If you feel any burning, YELL!). I was lucky to have a great nurse who recognized it right away and yanked the Adriamycin with just 1cc injected. The effect can be quite horrible (tissue damage, necrosis, amputation, oh my) if not treated. Treatment kind of stunk too. Three extra days of a chemo like drug with nasty side effects. Happens even more rarely with a port. 

    BTW, Monstermum is shortened from a kids' book we used to read called "Monstermama". (It was taken already!)

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    I'm a happy camper tonite!! Finished my last chemo today, round #4 (guess the SE's will last longer) nonetheless, the infusion team made my day special, when I was finished they all came in singing, dancing and shaking maraca's, then they presented me with a certificate of chemo completion - what a great way to end the treatment.

    Monstermum glad you got the port, it's no fun but it sure makes things easier - you know you can get your blood draws from it, saves a lot of wear and tear on those poor veins...I have to leave my port in until after I finish radiation = anyone else?

    Junebug I think you should have been on disablity already - snap to it girl, you earned the right!!!! Hope you feel better soon, I'm not looking forward to the SE's but we will all get through it - we always do..

    Everyone else, I can't scroll back to far so hope everyone is doing well, chat soon, sweet dreams girls.  Love you

  • powermom
    powermom Member Posts: 195
    edited January 2013
  • Megan2
    Megan2 Member Posts: 70
    edited January 2013

    5luvbugs - congrats!! while we all know you have weeks to go before the fatigue and yucks wear off, this is a mile-stone!! And I LOVE the fact the nurses celebrated. I had my last one today in Singapore, and they were cheerful, but there was no dancing or singing. And they put a woman beside me who was being treated for a recurrence five years out from TC. So a slight damper. I know it happens, it could be me, and she will be fine, but it was a damper. 

    Monstermom - welcome, and that leak sounded awful. I had read about that before starting chemo and so am curious. How bad did the burning get? Was it mild? Could you tell it was leaking? I had some burning today - shortlived and mild and figured it was nothing. Now you have me worried - I fly out of the country tomorrow and have enough paranoia in me I can see this worrying me... But you said it was rare, so I am just letting my imagination run wild after your description and the comment about yelling if there is burning:)

    Anyone interested in reading the results of a UK study on the effectiveness of a short (3 wk) radation therapy can find it on this link: www.medconnect.com.sg/tabid/92...   The study basically confirms that for up to 10 years, the survival and recurrence rates are the same for 3 weeks as for 5 weeks (no boosters included in the study, so if you get them, you are getting 3 plus 1.5 OR 5 plus 1.5). I was told today by my ONC in Singapore, it isn't 15 over 3 weeks here, but rather 18 over 3.5, so I am looking at 18 plus 8, or 25 plus 8. A one week difference. Still very confused as to what to choose. 

    Loafer - how's that research going?? 

  • Megan2
    Megan2 Member Posts: 70
    edited January 2013

    Loafer, forgot to reply. I got the masks at a drugstore in Singapore, but my parents bought them in Canada for a few bucks a piece. Just ask your pharmacist for the N19 (or is it N95) mask and they will know what you need. 

    You can also rinse your nose out with salt water after the flight, or during, to kill viruses that are trapped in your nose. You just use a little medicine syringe, lean your head back, and shoot it up so it goes all the way up. I have avoided catching influenza from multiple sick colleagues this way, and then went to get the shot. 

  • monstermum
    monstermum Member Posts: 6
    edited January 2013

    The burning was pretty mild but I could feel it kind of branching out....not just in the vein. It also left a slight reddenned area very quickly which is what sprung my nurse into action. I had slight burning at my first injection but the put a warm cloth on it and it went away. She knew by my description of the pain that this was different. Glad she was on the ball. It's way scarier after I looked it up! The antidote drug page says "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best"....Yikes! leave it to me to get one of the rarest side effects. Hope that means I've been pre-didastered as I've still got over a year of injections ahead! (herceptin plus clinical trial drug)

  • milkyway2
    milkyway2 Member Posts: 259
    edited January 2013

    Hi all

    I m had 3rd chemo on 10 jan this time my main concern is dizzziness today is 7 day. I a m having prob watching tv too. I have yo lie down everyhour because of dizziness

    Any suggestion any help

  • Sickofpink
    Sickofpink Member Posts: 190
    edited January 2013

    Omg monster! I hope u r better! What a nightmare....



    LeeA thx for that - and we r on the same schedule.



    Keet- not again! Sleepytime.

    Politico, glad im not alone with the kid anxiety but sorry about yours. Hate to think that helped cause this....



    Tricia - How did it go yesterday? Maybe to a Do Not Disturb sign?



    Does anyone know if the taste bud loss is related to the whitening tongue?



    Help! My editor just sent my novel back for final edits before it goes to press and it's so hard to resist -- but i dont trust myself to do it yet, need to wait until chemo fog lifts....so it will be rushed, last minute but i dont want to sound weak or do it poorly when ive worked on this book for so many years.... Pls slap my hand and assure me that fog will lift in time....

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited January 2013

    Megan, my RO told me that I will have 5.5 weeks of rads and that includes the mapping first day. So I think that would be 27 or 28 treatments.

    I cancelled my Feb. 25 rads start as I decided to go with surgery first since my only chance of reconstruction is immediate with T/E (stage 1) at same time as umx and axillary dissection. Exchange will be 3-6 months after rads so I will be well into next fall. Long plan!

    But only one more Taxol and chemo over. Taxol #3 yesterday.

    Monstermom, here they do the A/C IV push so they are actually right there watching. It is their standard just in case but they have never had a leak. I liked having my port for A/C admittedly! 

  • Sneakychiquita
    Sneakychiquita Member Posts: 292
    edited January 2013

    Milkyway - I'm often lightheaded after Day 4... sometimes it takes me close to 5 minutes to gradually work my way up from a seated or laying position to standing.  I have low blood pressure to begin with and sometimes experience orthostatic dizziness so I just assumed that the more pronounced lightheadedness was related to the loss in blood volume that coincides with chemo. My explanation seems to fit with when blood volume would be lowest.  

    monstermum - wowsers.  That's what everyone warns us about.  Must have been scary, but I'm glad to hear that you seem to be doing okay now.  

    Marian - Almost there!  Laughing

    Well, I'm supposed to have AC #4 on Friday, but when I reviewed my SEs with my oncologist she suggested that I'm on the more severe end of what people experience and that I likely have gotten as much good out of the 3 full doses that I need (not that 4 isn't good, but considering my pathology she thinks 3 will suffice).  I will admit that 2 days ago I had seriously considered not continuing with the AC because I was still incredibly nauseated and feeling the most intense head pain (not so much a headache, but rather, it feels as though there's a fire inside my head and my brain is melting away).  I thought there was no way I could live like this forever and thought that if it was still like this come Friday that I would cancel (I feared permanent damage).  But, of course, today the head pain has subsided so I didn't ask for the AC to be cancelled. It was just when we reviewed all my SEs that she spoke up and suggested that we back off... if I want, of course.  I have a day to decide, but it's still a difficult choice.  I'm torn over what is best for my overall health.  I'm not looking for advice (my onc presented me with the stats from research)... I just wanted to vent over having to make this decision.  So many freakin' unknowns with cancer treatment that it makes decision sometimes so painful to make.  

  • Sneakychiquita
    Sneakychiquita Member Posts: 292
    edited January 2013

    Milkyway - Was just relating my experience.  Dizziness can sometimes be serious so if this is out of the norm for you, I'd suggesting calling in to your team.

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited January 2013

    Sneaky, crazy S/E and glad that Karen has given you all the info. It seems that A/C has not been kind to you. I have found the Taxol way easier and have my old energy back and counts good which not doubt helps with the energy. On to healing for surgery and I did like Dr. Lennox!

  • anamerty
    anamerty Member Posts: 195
    edited January 2013

    @Sneaky" I was to have 4 treatments t/c but after ending up in the hospital ( thank god it was VGH) they dx me with interstial pneumonia, and they were 90% sure it was from the taxotere as they've seen it before. They couldn't be 100% because they had to abort the broncoscopy because my oxygen was too low, so they treated me with everything they had, and 2 weeks later I got out of hospital!!!But my oncologist Dr Villa, decided not to change the last dose but to stop it all together, in his own words he said if he was to give it to me he would kill me, so because I am tn this time, and chemo been the only treatment after bxm guess I'm hoping the 3 rounds is enough. You are the first person that didn't complete all your rounds, like me, and really would like to know the stats of recurrance if just missing one

  • Sneakychiquita
    Sneakychiquita Member Posts: 292
    edited January 2013

    My gut tells me to drop the last round of AC.  Not because the SEs are hard (even though it sucks, I know I can get through it if it's temporary), but because I feel like I'm doing more harm than good.  And even the timing of having 1 less round works out better with plans I had made with my daughter so I almost feel like that's a sign (flakey, I know).  But there's just that little voice over my shoulder that says, "what if it comes back?"  stupid voice. 

    Marian - It actually was a locum, Dr. Lohrish (sp?).  That's part of why I'm not immediately deciding on dropping on the AC.  I'd really like to talk to Gelmon because I know she's so well versed in the literature.  I know for sure that's she'll have all the latest numbers available for me to help with my decision.  I'm sending her an email tonight but don't expect to hear back.  

    Anamerty - If I went through what you did I wouldn't have a doubt about dropping the last round. Screw the stats... it's already known that the risks are too great for you!

  • milkyway2
    milkyway2 Member Posts: 259
    edited January 2013

    Sneaky thanks for the advice i had this symptoms in 2004 everybody reacts diff to the chemo drugs counting days to finish 3 more cycles. I think you have more energy in first 2 cycles. But usually takes 10 days to feel back to normal my oncologist gave me the bad news its 30 percent chance of coming back breast cancer even after double mastactomy it feels like cancer is always chasing me this time my moral is bit down i m planing for reconstruction she told me to wait for 2 years to see recurrance. I have appointment with phsycologist i want a cancer free life where i can plan things. You know uncertinity kills

  • txjunebug
    txjunebug Member Posts: 212
    edited January 2013

    monster, sneaky, anamerty - you ladies have been thru so much! Sending hugs!!

    milkyway I feel the same way. I sometimes wish they wouldn't tell us BRAC positive women the percentages so we wouldn't have to worry so much.



    I'm still suffering from fatigue. Had CT scan today as I sometimes get winded just sitting. Nurse said it's the taxotere and it will get worse with round four. Not expecting to be able to get off the couch at this rate.

    Also found out my sister is BRAC positive too.

  • milkyway2
    milkyway2 Member Posts: 259
    edited January 2013

    I hope this year brings joy and some good news in ourlives. Cant afford more surprises thats what i can say.good night

  • Sickofpink
    Sickofpink Member Posts: 190
    edited January 2013

    Oh sneaky and anamerty and milky and --- my tears are not from taxotere tonight. I cannot imagine having to make such decisions and bearing such pain. You are so strong and deserving of an easier load.

    When my onc suggested lowering one of my drugs for round 5 &6 i thought wtf - why isn't this an exact science, why is it like gambling?

    Life is so random. I agree with tx & milky - a little knowledge can be a scary thing.

    I can barely stand tonight, food tastes like dirt and im back to Hallmark movies -- but imagining 5 luvbugs' maraca celebration.



    Anyone could be hit by a car tomorrow yet we are fighting to live and live well.

    Oh let us celebrate every moment -with maracas!

  • adagio
    adagio Member Posts: 982
    edited January 2013

    Sneaky - I too have had my fair share of different side effects from A/C - rather than not have a treatment my oncologist reduced the dose to 75% and it made quite a difference. We came to the conclusion that my body is very sensitive to chemo - and I had considered quitting and not going through with the taxol, but after the MO explained the added benefits of taxol, I decided to go ahead but  I am starting the taxol at 80%, and then she will reduce it accordingly depending on the  side effects that I get. She even suggested that doing only 2 of the taxol would give me an added benefit. 

    So if you do decide not to do #4 of A/C - I think that you will have had considerable benefit from the 3 rounds that you did. Hopefully taxol will be much easier on you and even if you only do a couple of rounds of it - it attacks the cancer cells in a different way. Just my two cents worth!! Good luck with your decision - it is challenging - I always come away from my chemo and say that's it - no more - but some little voice keeps saying - you can do it!!

  • LeeA
    LeeA Member Posts: 1,660
    edited January 2013

    Congratulations 5luvbugs!  Oh how wonderful it would be to wiggle the nose I Dream of Jeannie style and say those words!

     Laughing

  • Eleni
    Eleni Member Posts: 130
    edited January 2013

    Sickofpink, yes, the bad taste has to do with the white tongue. I started taxotere last Monday :-( I hate the bad taste but I have to suffer 2 months or so.

  • Eleni
    Eleni Member Posts: 130
    edited January 2013

    Radiation. I live in the Netherlands. The protocol four years ago said 6,5 weeks. This time around I had lumpectomy and then 4.5 weeks of radiation. They didn't ask me, they didn't suggest it, they just did it. The first week was boost. But I have to say that this time, no itching, the skin survived quite well, mild burning.

    All of you who are afraid of the radiation, trust me, after chemo, the rads is a walk in the park.

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    Oh you girls!!  I feel so bad - so many of you are having such a rough time, it just makes me sad and I want you to know that I am thinking of you and pray for everyone.  We may not know each other but we are all a family and belong to a wonderful sisterhood.  I am sticking with this group, no matter where I head next, you are all my girls,

    Love Tricia

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    Girls with the white tongue and bad taste, don't forget to use the 2 tbsp bakings soda /1 liter water rinse- keep it in the fridge, it helps. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Adding to 5LuvBugs' suggestion about the salt/BS mixture. Brush your tongue & the roof of your mouth with it too. I use a fluoride product to brush at least once a day. I use the salt/BS mix to rinse and brush the rest of the time. Second AC I didn't do it as often as I should have and ended up with sore gums.



    Glad you're doing well Tricia. I'm sticking here too. As a matter of fact, this is my favorite thread.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • 5LuvBugs
    5LuvBugs Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2013

    Sick of Pink, here I am giving you that assurance you need to edit that book (after all I ordered it and can't wait to read it)  can you give it a few days until the fog lifts.  Can anyone help you, I know it's sooo hard to concentrate, especially if I'm standing beside you shaking maracca's and singing and dancing the happy dance but you can do it girl, I know you can.

    Paula this is my favorite thread also - we belong here!!!

  • michellej1980
    michellej1980 Member Posts: 342
    edited January 2013

    Ugh, I'm so tired of all this now. I've been reading all your posts, just not had any motivation to write anything!



    Day 7 post TC #4. Really got no energy and until today thought I was coping better with the yucky mouth/taste but I can now feel that my old friend thrush is on its way. I am thinking of food all the time and wanting to be able to enjoy my favourite things but there's no chance. If I could enjoy eating it woud make this much easier to deal with.



    Met with the psychologist on Monday. Didn't think much of it. Told her let's wait till I've finished chemo before I decide if I want to continue as I just can't make decisions at the moment. She said I seemed spaced out, but it's because I felt so tired.



    Hopefully I should start picking up again after the weekend, and am going to stuff my face with whatever I fancy!



    Hugs to you all. X

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