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  • Beckster
    Beckster Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2013

    Just started feeling better after my 2 treatment I have 4 more to go can anyone tell me what might help with the horrible taste I get for about 5 days after my treatments and is it normal for your tongue to turn white and your mouth to feel all bumpy inside? I get so tried and weak for about 6 days after my teatments and my stomach is so cramped up

  • kslansky
    kslansky Member Posts: 142
    edited January 2013

    I started losing head hair on day 14, lost underarm hair around day 28. leg hair and pubes are still hanging in there!



    Finished final & fourth AC treatment today! Start taxol in 2 weeks. Feels great to be at the half way point in chemo.

    Still have surgery and a full course of rads to do :- p ...but feel that the hardest part will be behind me after chemo.



    Praying for good days & minimal SE' s for you all!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Beckster~You should be taking acidophilus everyday, rinse with the baking soda/salt mixture, and eat yogurt. The white bumps sounds like it could be thrush (yeast infection). Some doctors recommend Biotene products for the mouth, but I find that using the rinse, yogurt, & acidophilus works really well for me.



    If your mouth is sore, please call your onc.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • tracyleigh
    tracyleigh Member Posts: 9
    edited January 2013

    Runnergirl2013, for me, the super intense foggy brain after tx turned out to be the Benadryl that I was on the day of and the couple days after my Neulasta shot.  It was like being on a hefty dose of cold medicine; definitely couldn't drive and was miserable.  My nurse switched me to Zyrtec the last time around and that took care of it.  Could it be that the Claritin is doing it?

    SherylB, thank you for the Prilosec tip!  I'll absolutely ask about it.  The heartburn lasts a little longer each round; I'll have tx on Wednesday and am still dealing with it from the last round.

    Beckster, my nurse said that a mouth rinse of about a teaspoon of baking soda in 4-6 oz. of water would help with the taste and white tongue issue.  I sure hope so; I really dread that this next week.

    kslansky, you're two days ahead of me on exactly the same schedule (I'll do 12 weeks of Taxol).  Can't wait to get #4 behind me on Wednesday.  Hope the joy of being done with AC will make any tough moments over the next few days a lot easier!

  • Nanc620
    Nanc620 Member Posts: 38
    edited January 2013

    Hello, Lovelies,

    THough I'm not starting chemo until Wdnesday I have been following all of you for tips, etc.  I'm embarrassed to say I have pre-chemo brain and don't remember who said what so bear with me, please.

    Faith...I had a wonderful visit with my naturopath who specializes in breast cancer and we talked about faith and spirituality.  I have been craving God more than usual...so far as to even return to the local Episcopal church after umpteen years in a wonderful non-denominational church.  I craved the church and faith of my childhood...the doctor cited over 10 studies showing that patients with a faith base were survivors.  That the hope and power of faith is a healing tool.  On that note this weekend my sweet husband (sho is a "recovering Catholic and doesn't go to church) helped me to "create" a sacred spot in our room.  A comfortable chair, a small water fountain thingy, a candle, CD player and my Bible and books.  What a relief for me.  I haven't been able to go to church the last few weeks due to a sever flu outbreak in the congregation...but it has been OK because I'm relying on the fact that God is everywhere. 

    Kiwi, your haircut is super cute...Bren, you encourage me to be stronger, Paula, I just love you, Gwen, you make me smile, Steiner, you rock...everyone else I am praying for you.  As far as finding a man...in all good time, sister.  Lean on your sisters now...it is when we aren't looking that they usually appear ;-)  

    blessings,

    nanc

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Nanc~I love you right back! I know exactly what you're talking about, considering faith. I can't imagine for a second, going through this battle without faith in my Lord. Knowing what his Word says about Healing, Peace, and Love. I am a 10 + year member of a non-denominational church. People keep commenting on my great attitude through all of this. It isn't me! It's JESUS, and his Peace that surpasses understanding. I choose to believe his report over that of science.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • Bren58
    Bren58 Member Posts: 1,048
    edited January 2013

    Beckster, unfortunatley there is really nothing that can be done about the horrible taste, however, like everyone else said the baking soda/salt rinse will help with the mouth fuzzies. I wound up with a large painful mouth sore after tx1 and had to have a script called in for magic mouth wash. Now my MO wants me do it 3 times a day starting day 4 post tx for about 6 days. Last 2 tx's I have had no mouth sores.

    Prilosec has been a wonder! I did not know about it after tx 1 and had horrible heartburn! Now I start taking in 3 days prior to chemo day.

    kslansky, YAY for being finished with AC! I hope your SE's are mild over the next few days.

    I am day 7 post tx3 and feel pretty good. I am going in to work today and hope that no one is really sick. I keep wiping everything down with antibacterial wipes and using the gel on my hands when I use the copier, etc. If anyone is coughing I may have to get a mask and wear it in the common areas. Of course that would not look great but I surely do not want to get sick again. At least my coworkers understand and don't care.

    Paula, you are so right. It is not us, it is JESUS working in us and through us. We just need to cling to His hand, and walk by faith through the dark times because He is able to turn the dark into light.

    For those of you that are feeling well, enjoy the day. For those that are still feeling crappy, this too shall pass and better days are coming.

  • PeggySull
    PeggySull Member Posts: 686
    edited January 2013

    Yesterday I had my last AC treatment and will start taxol in two weeks. I need to talk/ask about a couple of things.



    1. I definitely have chemo brain. I meet with the MO (I've seen the NP for a month now) and I want to have my questions written down before I meet him before the taxol starts. Problem is I'm all foggy. Does anyone have some questions I should be asking him at this point?



    2. My daughter and grandson have been away since I lost my hair. I saw them Sunday and had my nicest scarf on. My 6 year old grandson was a bit taken aback by my appearance but seemed to get over it very quickly.



    My daughter, however, kept looking away from me whenever she could. Later my husband told her I was opting for a bilateral mas and she freaked out with him. He was able to calm her with the logic behind this decision. Has anyone else had a grown child who has been unable to deal with the physical aspects of treatment from this illness?



    3. This may be T mI, but I have been unable to have sex with my DH since chemo began over two months ago. He is very understanding and not pushy at all. We snuggle and watch tv at night for awhile. That helps me feel more intimate but DH has always felt so much more connected and intimate thru sexuality. I feel I'm depriving him but can't feel ANY sexual desire. I also feel so much less sexally attractive being bald, I'm so surprised at that but it adds to my resistance at even trying to be more open to sex. Even wearing a scarf to bed doesn't lessen these feelings.



    Any feedback on any one of the concerns would be so much appreciated.



    Peggy



  • Jud
    Jud Member Posts: 26
    edited January 2013

    this past week has not been an easy one for me.... last week Monday I spent the day at my oncologist with a fever ,102.7,and an infection in my lymph node scar..and my blood counts were way down.... gave I.v. antibiotics, fluids, and oral antibiotics. My Dr. wanted me to stay but I choose to go home... I'm thinking back and I think I should have stayed.... two days later my surgeon ended up opening my lymph node scar to get the infection out, (a stitch that never desolved) and I have to have it packed with gauze two times every day (thankfully my daughter was able to do this for me) should be healed in about another week or so, they tell me... one step ahead, two steps back....so I'm still packing, and now I start my third round on Thursday, and I haven't had the good days yet..... what the heck..... I am definitely going to make up for them this time around... fingers crossed.... good luck to those having treatments this week....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Peggy~Ask your MO if there's anything in particular he'd have you do to protect your nails. My DGF's MO told her to use tea tree oil. I like that idea. I use it for other stuff. It's amazing.



    Ask if you should take vitamin B6 for neuropathy. Or L glutomine or something else.



    Here's the thread for solution to painful intercourse. It's also for those who have no desire.



    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topic/776318?page=19#idx_558



    Blessings

    Paula

  • FriendGwen
    FriendGwen Member Posts: 177
    edited January 2013

    I had my blood work done this morning for Thursday's infusion. As I was walking through the parking lot I was looking at the bumper stickers. Threre were several cars (mine included) with "Life is Good" stickers. I thought wow, that's ironic being at a hospital and the cancer parking lot. But then I thought actually we are the folks that are actively treating this disease so we can move forward and have a long healthy life. So yeah, life is good!

    Judaday - so sorry for all the crud you had to go through, and into your good week no less! I'll think of you while we are both having infusion on Thursday.

    Peggy - I'm with you on the no sex thing. I just keep reminding myself it's just a little break. We celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary in June and I expect on the 26th I'll be back to my old self, sex and all. Plus, DD2 is still home from college which tends to be a strong form of birth control (we live in a pretty small house).

    Nanc - your sacred spot sounds wonderful! I love creating those!

    Paula - I agree with you on the benefits of tea tree oil. I will start putting that on my nails now.

    Ladies - have any of you ordered the Brian Josephs cream for your eyebrows and eyelashes? The ladies on the hair forum have mentioned it several times. It's not cheap... $50, but if it legitimately works I'd be interested.

  • JenMas
    JenMas Member Posts: 6
    edited January 2013

    It's so nice to be able to come here and see that others are going through exactly the same thing. Although i have many great friends nobody quite "gets it" unless they've experienced it.

    Had 2nd chemo on 1/3/13. It's becoming increasingly more difficult to sleep through the night. Aside from days 1-5 when i have no energy and sleep well, the rest of the time has been like this.

    Anyone else have this experience?

  • Tinah
    Tinah Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2013

    Gwen I have the cream, I got it before Christmas I use it morning and night and I still have my brow and lashes. I shaved my head on Christmas Eve.

  • FriendGwen
    FriendGwen Member Posts: 177
    edited January 2013

    Thanks Tinah - I started the same chemo as you the day before. I haven't used the cream and still have my brows and lashes. Ahh! No easy answers. The thing concerning me is that a lot of the ladies say they lose them after they're done chemo! I guess the cream is an added insurance and so I think I will order it. The only downside is losing $50. The upside of keeping them is quite worth it.

  • tracyleigh
    tracyleigh Member Posts: 9
    edited January 2013

    I'm so thankful to hear everyone else's experience.  It really does help me not to feel alone, so thanks to everyone for sharing, whether it's questions, comfort, frustration, discouragement, or whatever.

    Bren58, I was advised to chew ice chips while the Adriamycin is being administered to eliminate or reduce mouth sores, and it's worked like a charm (it reduces the intake of the drug there, thus reducing or eliminating its effect).  I see that that drug is not part of your cocktail, but might it work for you?

    PeggySull, you're just ahead of me on the same scheduel - last AC tomorrow Laughing and Taxol starting 1/30.  So glad you asked for question recommendations.  Soteria205, what would be the expected damage to nails on Taxol?

    Judaday, I'm so sorry you've had such a tough time this round.  It's especially frustrating to spend precious feel-good days on being sick.

  • Jud
    Jud Member Posts: 26
    edited January 2013

    well I am on day six of the packing and at least it is no longer painful, which they tell me means the infection is gone, and they say it is healing very well...which I am very grateful...and after Thursday, only one treatment left...



    has anyone met with their radiation Dr. yet? I am going to ask about it on Thursday... if I remember..lol....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Tracy~taxol can cause the nails to be very tender, and even lift off the nail bed. At the very least they tell you to wear gloves to wash dishes etc. They can also become discolored. That goes for toes as well as fingers. I can stand the lifting off, especially the toes, but fingernail pain...NO THANKS!



    Blessings

    Paula

  • Bren58
    Bren58 Member Posts: 1,048
    edited January 2013

    Gwen - I got the Brian Joseph gel at the wig shop for 39.00 and started using it the week before my first tx. I still have my brows and lashes, but they are thinning a bit. In the long run I have no idea if this is going to work or not. I have heard some say that their lashes did not fall out until after they were totally finished with tx! I am on my 3rd tube so I sure hope this investment pays off!

    Judaday (((hugs)))) to you. I am sorry you are going thru such a crappy time right now, but glad that the infection seems to be gone.

    Peggy - there was quite a discussion about sex (or actually lack of it) a few pages ago. Please know that you are not alone in this area. It's hard to feel attractive or have the desire when we are bald, boobless, puffy from steroids, have a nasty fuzzy mouth or have stomach issues ( we are all dealing with different issues). Hopefully this too will pass and we will be back to normal in a few months.

    Tracy - I might try the ice chips, but that would mean chewing ice chips for close to 2 hours during Taxotere, and I already have my hands in insulated lunch bags with frozen peas and bags of ice. I will have to see if someone can feed me the ice chips Laughing. Maybe I should take frozen grapes and suck on them!

  • Nicole503
    Nicole503 Member Posts: 295
    edited January 2013

    PeggySull  I would definitely ask about pro-active options for preventing neuropathy.  I have a friend who has significant neuropathy after taxol and was told after the fact that Vitamin B would have been helpful.  I'm just not sure how much.

    As for sex, I find that if I can cultivate a little bit of happy/joy/fun with my DH on the weekend that I feel good (right before my next treatment), we can usually find our way to intimacy.  We carve out time to go out to dinner, have a nice glass of wine, and make sure to have massage oil and low/no lighting and a lot of caring touch. My DH got me a fun nightie at Victoria's Secret (really just a long cotton t-shirt) that I wear so that I don't have to confront my scars ~ it's fun and it helps.  I agree with FriendGwen that you can look at this season as a time to take a little break but if sex is important to you I have found it is possible, even though the window when you feel good enough to do it might be pretty narrow.

    JenMas  My MO gave me a prescription for Ativan and I take it on the nights immediately after treatment (when steroids are raging), and any other night I'm struggling to sleep.  I also take 10 mg of Melatonin (it's a high dose but my naturopath recommends it as being helpful to maximize the AC treatments).  Being able to rest is super important and I hope this improves for you.

    Judaday I'm glad you are feeling better.  I have a stitch that is not dissolving at the armpit end of my mastectomy scar.  I've just been watching it but after hearing your story I might bring it to the attention of my MO.  Thanks for sharing.  It never occurred to me that it might get infected!

    Today is the first day I have felt better since AC #2.  It is so heartening to see how many of you are approaching or finishing AC #4.  Yesterday it felt so overwhelming to consider doing this two more times, but today it feels more possible.  You early December women get a lot of the credit for that!

    Thank you! Kiss

  • kslansky
    kslansky Member Posts: 142
    edited January 2013

    Peggy, I'll start Taxol in a couple of weeks. They will provide ice mitts and socks for me during the infusion for neuropathy. My MO also has me taking 300mg of vitamin B6 and L Glutamine (1 tbs, 2 Times a day) These are both to help with neuropathy and mouth sores.



    You may also want to ask about the length of the infusion (it may take longer than the AC combo) and potential reactions from it. (After the nausea meds, I'll be getting an IV of Benadryl before the Taxol) The chemo nurse also recommended that I makes sure that I bring someone with me for the first couple of treatments.

  • beckstar18
    beckstar18 Member Posts: 253
    edited January 2013

    I had my 3rd tx today. Unlike the first 2 times, I'm wiped out tonight and already feel nauseous. My SE after tx 1&2 took a couple days to kick in so I'm worried that I'm already feeling it.



    I got sick late last week with head and chest congestion. By Saturday afternoon I had to call my MO an she called in an antibiotic for me. Thank God it worked! Symptoms got better by late Sunday and my blood counts were great today.



    I shaved my head with a razor 9 days ago because it hurt to lay on a pillow with the buzzed head, and it was patchy up front. But it's grown back in a little bit, although much softer. I'm wondering if it will all fall out after the 3rd tx, but kind of hoping it doesn't because I have no problem rocking the buzzed hairdo. I haven't worn my wig, I've had a hard time finding hats suitable for work, and scarves just don't stay put very well.



    Nicole, my MO told me 100mg of Vit B6 in addition to the daily multivitamin I'm taking to help with neuropathy.

  • Sandra60
    Sandra60 Member Posts: 201
    edited January 2013

    Hello chemo buddies ! I head into # 2 Thursday so will begin starting the steroids tomorrow - on wow I can look forward to that !!! But Going for a bike ride on the bike trail by the river tomorrow too. Hopefully will cancel out steroids effects .

    Judaday. _i also has an infection mid cycle and ran a temp - so I can totally relate ! I am just wiped out when I have a temp.

    Bren and others - have you asked your mo if u can do Latisse ? Mine said I could so I will try it . My lashes and brows look ok so far but defiantly no new growth so I am sure by my 4th and final treatment they will be thinned out .

    Gwen - love the positive attitude about life's good !! We are all taking the right steps to make sure this bc stays away forever and in order for that to happen a positive disposition is best !! Not always easy though !!



    Wishing all a good rest of the week !!!



    Sandy





  • Runnergirl2013
    Runnergirl2013 Member Posts: 83
    edited January 2013

    Round 3 for me tOmorrow and can't sleep rIght now knowing the roller coaster is about to start again. Thanks for all of the support...soooo lucky I have each of you and this board. Lets stay strong ladies!

  • kiwikid
    kiwikid Member Posts: 204
    edited January 2013

    It seems the anxiety builds as chemo approaches. Good luck to everyone going in this week.



    I had a meeting with the RO today. He is recommending radiation over mx. I asked if he would do the same for his wife or daughter, he said yes, unless it was a grade 3 or a large tumour. Grade 3 being aggressive.... BUT THEN he said how surprised they were at my grade 1 being ki67 of 18% and said there are only 5% of grade ones which are aggressive like that. He said ki67 indicated likelihood of travelling, hence chemo. Anyway, I'm confused about him not recommending mx as its not aggressive, but me getting chemo as it is. Hmmm

  • Nanc620
    Nanc620 Member Posts: 38
    edited January 2013

    As a January girl...I start T/C tomorrow I thank you all for tyour candor and love.  A couple of us January girls are on Facebook and I started  a "secret group" so we can post pics etc.  any of you on FB are welcome...we would welcome your counsel and your love. I'm Nancy Prior Phillips...look for me :-)

    I misread my pre-chemo steroid scrip this morning and took 2...big mistake!  I'm still wide awake.  Going off now to take an Ambien and Xanax.  Will get an Ativan scrip tomorrow...I also went to Target today and bought every possible digestive aid.  Only thing missing was prune juice ;-)  Also bought all the Biotene products after gagging big time on the baking soda mix.  Sadly this old gal never learned to gargle...and on the note, I bid you good sleep, a better tomorrow and joy neverending.  To quote my 18 y.o. boychild...You got this"

    nanc

  • Bren58
    Bren58 Member Posts: 1,048
    edited January 2013

    Steiner - After my tx3 last week, I started with the somach issues that night. I thought it was the food that DD ordered us for lunch. As it turned out it was the SE's starting much sooner than usual. Stomach, mouth fuzzies, taste, everything! I thought I was really in for a terrible recovery time. As it turned out, the SE's started sooner but also ended sooner. So hear I am one week post tx3 and I feel pretty good, except for the head congestion. This is the second time I have gotten it after tx. I can't believe I might have another cold! I haven't been anywhere, literally! So I hope if your SE's are starting so soon that they will also be over sooner.

    Sandra - I have not asked about Latisse, but I will at my next appointment. Anyone know how much it costs?

    Runner & Nanc- Good Luck today. I hope all goes well.

    Kiwi - sounds like you need some clarification from your docs before you make your final decision.

    I have been trying to walk at least a mile everyday (or at least most days) to keep my energy up. Well this morning everything is covered in ice, so unless it warms up signifigantly, no walk todayFrown

  • Nicole503
    Nicole503 Member Posts: 295
    edited January 2013

    Quick question for those on AC - Do you find yourself a bit breathless when you walk up a flight of stairs in the first 7 days after chemo?  I had profound breathlessness Monday (day 4 after chemo), some yesterday and I'm noticing a bit today.  I worry about Adriamycin and heart damage and am wondering if my experience is common among women on AC??

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Nicole~I haven't gotten short of breath walking up a flight of stairs, but then, I use a cane, and rarely use stairs. I do think if I tried to do anything at all strenuous, I'd be out of breath.

    My onc told me, the risk to the heart is it weakens the heart muscle. I doubt that's what you're experiencing.



    I tx #3 on Friday. I'm dreading it, but also eager to get it over with. My SEs start about day 6. That's when the horrible fog hits, but I also feel kind of faint if I stand more than 2 or 3 minutes, and when I'm sitting it seems like a real effort to hold my head up. Then the peeing starts along with the chills. I'm so glad when day 9 rolls around. I wish I could sleep from days 6-8.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • beckstar18
    beckstar18 Member Posts: 253
    edited January 2013

    Bren, thank you for that update on your 3rd tx.  My SE started last night too right after #3, I had stomach issues and had to take anti-nausea meds to fall asleep.  And today I am in a FOG at work!  I was planning to work all day today and at least half of tomorrow, but I'll be lucky to make it through today.  I also hope that because the SE started sooner this time that means they'll be done quicker.

  • powermom
    powermom Member Posts: 195
    edited January 2013

    Steiner, My 3/4-long hair is bugging me, too. Only thing is we don't have an electric shaver in the house; DH'S uses clippers. Thinking about buying one, might be easier for my DD to use too.



    Good luck tomorrow Runnergirl. FOllowing in your footsteps with my #3 Friday.



    Bren, that's encouraging about the SE's ending earlier- I'll just count on that.



    Something seems to have clicked with me the last few days. I have realized that since I have more time, I don't have to rush around all the time like I did before dx and that I have the time to do some of the things I enjoy but couldn't seem to get around to. Today I am baking bread in my bread maker (after dusting it off!) and shopped for the ingredients needed to make a lentil, sweet potato, and kale stew! feeling downright domestic! All weeks of the cycle won't be that way, but I'm making hay while the sun shines.



    Best to all of you.

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