December 2011 Surgeries - want to wait together?

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  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited January 2013

    Thank you, thank you....once again, you guys have made me feel so much better.  I called my Dr and he changed it to laproscopic without blinking. 

    I'm not looking forward to going on an AI.  I'm confortable with the devil that I know (tamoxifen).  Kam, both my gyn and MO have brought up the uterus as well.  It is another one of those choices that I wish I didn't have, especially not knowing how I will do on whatever she puts me on next.  I've heard that without the uterus in there holding everything up, there is a risk of things shuffling around in there specifically the bladder falling down.  I have a friend who had a hysterectomy 10 years ago and she has enough problems still to make me decide I'd like to keep mine a bit longer. 5 years seems like a long time, but it is already nearly a year since I started chemo and almost 6 months of tamoxifen.  My hope is that we have many, many....many years after the hormone suppression crap. 

    Have a great day everyone :)

  • spunkyboobster
    spunkyboobster Member Posts: 738
    edited January 2013

    Faith-you echo my sentiments. My dr never suggested taking my uterus but when people asked me why I didn't ask about having it removed I said I was pretty sure it was holding up a lot of other stuff. :-)

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited January 2013

    Of the 3 doctors I talked to about removing the uterus, the one I trust the most said "no."  She is the actual gynecologist, surgeon, oncologist, Phd, ovarian cancer researcher.  I am curious why she didn't factor in the Tamoxifen angle, though.

    Faith- totally get the "devil you know!"  My MO suggested changing hormone blockers so quickly while I was ready to fight through all of the symptoms before giving up.  By that time, I'd already seen the hot flashes mostly go away.  I'm glad I stuck with it, as I've just figured out how to manage these finger joint issues.

    As far as the daVinci robotic machine and or plain vanilla laproscopy, my surgery was going to go either way depending on how much room the PS needed to maneuver around the da Vinci for the exchange.  Turned out I got the plain vanilla laproscopy.  According to my friend, a surgeon, and my surgeon, it makes no difference to either whether they use the DaVinci or not - there is no advantage to them.

    If I recall correctly Faith, my surgeon took 45 minutes for the ooph.   (This is based on what she told me later.)  That's not a horrible amount of time to be under a general.  Keep us posted! 

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited January 2013

    My ooph was outpatient too and was pretty quick.



    Kam-I am having finger joint issues too. Also arms and hands go numb at night. I have been on a 3 month vacation from my AI (letrozole) so I am not sure if it could still be from that? Or lymphedema? Or...I really have no idea!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited January 2013

    Ginger - at first my hands went numb - maybe for 2 nights and always felt only upon waking up, then the finger joints were totally stiff upon waking.  Then the trigger fingers.  I tried wrist splits (ACE brand, I think, from Rite-Aid drug store) and at first it didn't really do any good. I only tried 2 nights.   After going through this stiffness for nearly 2 months (and it was starting to create residual pain during the daytime), I tried the wrist splints again.  Voila!! No stiffness when I woke up the next day.  Wore the wrist splints again - no stiffness upon waking.  I've done this 3 nights and no stiffness.  There still is some residual something in the joints, but it is clearing. 

    I also took celerex around noon before each of these 3 nights.  One might say the Celebrex is what helped, but yesterday I fell asleep while watching tv and I woke up with stiff finger joints (no splints on).  So it is the lack of movement, for me, while bending the wrist.  I don't think the celebrex played a part, though I'm adding it now to try to get my inflammation down.

    My stiffness started 3 months after starting Exemestane. I have no doubt in my mind it wa the hormone blocker that caused it.

    Have you tried wrist splints?

    Edited to add - I have had these issues before, in 2006, including horrible shoulder issues.  Celebrex (only temporarily and very occasionally if I feel something coming on) and ergonomics eventually cured both (or kept it away).  For one, I sleep with one of those large European pillows and wrap my arm over the top (hugging it).  This helped my shoulders.  Also, using the computer while seated - I had a horrible situation.  Lots of exercises, like tucking chin in relieved the shoulder issues.  Rocking pelvis back and forth.  Lots of stretches. Ofcourse, if things are really bad, you sort of have to nurse things back to a certain state.  Celebrex is one of those black box drugs, but it is also curative for these inflammation issues.

  • spunkyboobster
    spunkyboobster Member Posts: 738
    edited January 2013

    I've been on arim since April and just this week I noticed my ams go numb at night.

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited January 2013

    Kam- sounds so familiar. I will have to look into Celebrex. I am having inflammation issues all over my body. What are the downsides to that medicine?

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited January 2013


    I have no idea why it helped my shoulders as I don't really know what was wrong with my shoulders, back in 2006.  They ruled out RA.   They called it tendonitis, but I also think it might have been related to  spinal disengration in my neck - afterall, it was both shoulders and no precipitating event except my neck getting tied up in knots preceding the 6 month long shoulder event. Celebrex definitely gave me relief and ultimatelly i attribute healing to this drug.

    Exemestane is aggravating my shoulders, a tiny bit.  The result, I can't lift or lower my arm above or below shoulder level, at times....it goes away quickly and comes on quickly, but it seems like a minimal SE, compared to my hands.  Does celebrex work on my current symptoms?...I don't know, but i was desperate a few days ago, so added it (from leftover pills).  Today I am skipping celebrex and just trying the splints.  Since I fell asleep yesterday while watching tv (just after taking celebrex) and awoke to stiff finger joints, I honestly think the splints are the answer for the hands, not celebrex.

    I view it as a miracle drug for me, but I also have a healthy respect for it.  They've taken similar acting drugs off the market for some of the same reasons as mentioned below.

    Drug Warning: Celebrex

    Generic name: celecoxib (also known NSAIDs)

    Manufactured and marketed by: Pfizer

    Purpose: Prescribed for the treatment of acute pain, symptoms of various types of arthritis including osteoarthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, and rheumatoid arthritis, in addition to severe menstrual pain and discomfort.

    Side Effects Reported

    • Some of the common side effects of Celebrex may include headache, diarrhea, stomach pain, nausea, sinus inflammation and upper respiratory tract infection.
    • Similarly to other NSAIDs, there may be a risk of more serious side effects such as liver damage, stomach ulcers, kidney damage, and fluid retention.
    • People with pre-existing kidney and liver ailments may be at an increased risk of additional problems.
    • Celebrex is also linked to the possible side effect of potentially fatal stomach or intestinal bleeding.

    Industry Report

    Recently, Celebrex has been recommended by the FDA to receive a "black box warning." The black box warning is the most serious warning that the FDA can provide, short of having the drug recalled from the market. The new warning for Celebrex concerns the possible link between the drug and serious cardiovascular problems including heart attack and stroke.

     
  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited January 2013

    Thanks for the info. Given my current stomach issues, this might not be the best drug for me to take. What kind of splint/where did you get it?

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited January 2013

    http://www.amazon.com/ACE-Deluxe-Wrist-Brace-Right/dp/B005YU8VBQ

    This is the one I use Ginger (right and left).  The velcro straps make them easy to put on.

    Edited:  It could also be this one:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005YU8TMC/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B005YU8VBQ&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1CMW56SZV4ME731KFGR4

    The first one shows the person holding a stick.  The one I use is not amenable to holding things, atleast in a useful way.   I'm just not sure of the two, which one I use, though they look more like the first.

    Edited to add:  I didn't buy them on Amazon, though.  I bought at our local drugstore, Rite-Aid.  You can probably find these at any drugstore.  I like the velcro, though.  My PCP gave me some laceups and I thought, who is going to put those one for me?

  • Bogie
    Bogie Member Posts: 286
    edited January 2013

    That is the same wrist splint a Neurologist recommended I use. I may purchase a second one since it does give some relief. I thought 9-12 month marker the stiff hands and trigger finger were supposed to resolve by then. Im still waiting...

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited January 2013

    Thanks; I will give it a try. I thought that the splints were for those who have carpal tunnel issues and we have ruled that out for me with a nerve study. But I will try anything to get a good night's sleep!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited January 2013

    Bogie - how are you feeling?  Please tell me more about what your neurologist said vis a vis the 9-12 month marker and stiff hands and trigger finger???  All my MO says is "let's try a new drug."

    Ginger- I had a nerve study too, 6 years ago.  Nothing then.  Honestly, I think it "crowding" due to swelling and the tendon's and nerves don't function so well under these conditions.  That's kam's dx :)  The swelling (or maybe inflammation), ofcourse, caused by the AIs.

  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited January 2013

    Ginger - I would do about anything for a good nights sleep too.  I think I've slept the entire night less than 5 times over the past year.  For me now it is general restlessness and hot flashes.  I certainly took sleep for granted.

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited January 2013

    Faith- I hear ya!! I have not slept well at all since my surgery in June of 2011.first it was due to the pain from BMX and a frozen shoulder. Now I have a CPAP mask to wear for sleep apnea, numb arms and hands(not sure why) and neck pain from fibromyalgia. Sprinkle in some hot flashes and night sweats for good measure. I would do just about anything to close my eyes and not wake up till the alarm goes off in the morning.

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited January 2013

    Ah... the night sweats!  Thanks goodness it is winter so I can cool off.  However, woke a few nights ago and had to take a cold shower I was so darn hot.

  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited January 2013

    I'm in FL, so I have the AC cranked as much as possible but when my sweeties boys are with us I can't turn it down as much. On those nights I end up on the floor once or twice under the fan til I can cool down. We call me the space heater

  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited February 2013

    Ooph was on Thursday, thank you so much for your advice. Got there at 5:30, and was on my way home around 11. Getting around better and better each day, and hope to be back to work by Monday. Back and shoulders bother me more than the incision site, but dr said to expect that because of the CO2. No matter what, I am relieved that they are gone.



    Have a great weekend everyone, hope you are well!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited February 2013

    Faith - isn't it a relief to get those ovaries out!!  The hopeful thing for brca2's, per my MO, that if we would develop ovarian cancer, it would usually be 9 years after BC.  Let us know what the pathology says.

    Had an US yesterday for this rather large lump under my right (clean breast) implant. Hoping for fat necrosis or some other benign thing.  I was rather ok until I had the actual scan....brought back memories.  The PA doesn't think it is cancer, which is good. Nevertheless, I can't help myself from worrying some.

  • fitzdc
    fitzdc Member Posts: 1,467
    edited February 2013

    It seems like the worry will always be there for me.  I have been considering the ooph however am not 'there' yet.

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited February 2013

    Faith- glad it is going well!



    Kam- Hope it is nothing!



    Hi Fitz- hope you are doing well.



    My catscan was normal. Very relieved! Hoping for a good, healthier year!

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited February 2013

    Kam- when I went to checkup with my BS, I was telling her about my arms and hands going numb. She said it sounds like cubital tunnel syndrome. I guess the ulnar nerve gets compressed. May be worsened by the lymphedema? Told me to sleep with my arms straight and splint them if I needed help to keep them straight all night. It really is helping some...I am not waking up as often.

  • faithhopenluv
    faithhopenluv Member Posts: 323
    edited February 2013

    Hey Kam - all good with the scans?

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited February 2013

    So sorry for not getting back to you all - all good.  Negative!  It actually turned out to be a scarey week. Birads 4B, biopsy, but all good a week later.  The week from hell.  Ofcourse, after the fact, the radiologist, PS and MO (none of whom I saw before results, except radiologist during biopsy) all said "oh I would have told you not to worry."  The radiologist calmed me down the most, when doing the biopsy. "If these were virgin breasts, I would be worried, but you've had a lot of surgery, so this is probably a result of that."

    Hope my December friends are all doing well?  xxo

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited March 2013

    Kam- congratulations!!

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited March 2013
  • spunkyboobster
    spunkyboobster Member Posts: 738
    edited March 2013

    Thanks for sharing the good news, Kam!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited March 2013

    Thanks all

    Ginger - in my stressed out state, I missed all of your posts about splinting.  How is the numbness going?  I wanted to tell you that "lymphodema" was mentioned to me as a possible cause for my hand issues (mostly stiff fingers, but also some numbness) here at BCO, so I went to my ace PT in Portland a few weeks ago and she was fairly sure, if not positive, that wasn't the cause.   She believes it is "systemic," likely caused by the medication (exemestane).  Ofcourse, I just wanted it verified.  She also said, any areas I previously had problems with (shoulders, hands) tend to be weak spots and she isn't suprised I would develop symptoms in those locations.

    Bogie - still wondering about this 9-12 month marker you mentioned?  Can you expand upon that?  But other than that, how are you doing?  How are you feeling after your recent kidney surgery?  So unfair!

    I hope all of you that are not sleeping well have found some answers.  I can't even imagine how frustrating that must be.  xxo

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited March 2013

    Good news, Kam!!!

    I'm doing better... the "Iron Bra" feeling is subsiding a bit thanks to the myofascial release therapy I've been doing.

    Now I'm concerned that there may be a leak in Righty's saline implant....

    Oh, well, just goes to show....

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited March 2013

    Yep, its always something indeed! Much love to all.

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