January 2013 chemo group

11819212324112

Comments

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    That's why I try to stay away from a lot of this research stuff. It gets too confusing and overwhelming. Good grief is right!

    MandyNJ glad your home. Sounds like you have an awesome support system!

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    Lauren, Juice counts as do all the popsicles, jello etc. As long as it doesn't have caffeine which dehydrates you. Figure in your other fluids. 1 ounce = 30 ml. 1 quart = 1 litre (actually 1.06 who's counting). Don't forget you can have broth.

    As far as the food precautions, no raw fish, not a problem for me the only fish I like is breaded and deep fryed LOL. The skins of fruits and raw veggies can have bacteria on them.

    Update for the fever, MO didn't want me to start the antibiotics (ABTs) because my temp came down with some ibuprofen and no other signs of infections like, sore throat, stuffy nose etc. Just keep monitoring and keep her informed. I am kinda glad even though I went and picked up the ABTs. I am one of the believers that we have done ourselves harm by over use of ABT. I would rather let the body do it's job to fight fever first, after all in normal situations the fever is the body doing it's job. She said it was probably from the Neulasta which kicked my ass with the pain. Top of head to toes, I swear.

    Sheryl

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    skigirl72

    Re: laser, waxing for pits. I have been doing facial laser for the granny hairs I have had since I was around 20 LOL. My laser people said at least 3 months post chemo and would have to bring a WBC.

    Don't have a clue about waxing.

    S

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    Well for crying out loud!! Greek yogurt Fage is the only healthy habit I have. Now I have to research live cultures and chemo. You'd think if my mo could tell me not to eat raw fish she would have said something about yogurt since it is a staple of most women's diet.

    S

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    Mandyj,

    Well that sucks, the incidence of puncturing the lung is actually less than 1% according to my surgeon. You may have my kind of luck that if it has ever happened no matter how rare it'll probably happen to me. As for your kids and germs and tube. You are looking out for yourself and that is what you have to do. Unless a germ is transmitted through the air (like TB) just wash your hands well after touching your kids, actually everything, before you get your hands near your mouth or eyes. Don't have any kids but been in healthcare for 36 years and most kids I have seen interact with a sick family member does better with honesty. So maybe telling them it hurts but an accidental bump won't do any permanent damage i.e. Tell them it's like a huge splinter, most kids can relate to a splinter and not wanting to touch it.

    Hang tough, Sheryl

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013


    Re:yogurt & chemo
    Chemotherapy treatment may cause side effects that affect your digestive system and appetite. It is important to maintain good nutrition during this time to provide your body with energy and to avoid weight loss. Yogurt can be a helpful addition to your diet during treatment. High in protein and calcium, yogurt is easy to digest and helps heal the digestive tract.
    NUTRITION
    Yogurt that contains live and active cultures will provide the most nutritional benefits. Look for types that are high in protein and low in added sugar. You can sweeten plain yogurt at home with fresh fruit or jam. High quality yogurts provide over 30 percent of your daily recommended amount of calcium. Avoid yogurt that is heat-treated since it will not give you the benefits of live and active cultures. Patients receiving chemotherapy should only consume yogurt from pasteurized milk.
    Sponsored Links
    Colon Cancer Treatments
    Learn about a test that can help guide your treatment decisions.
    Oncotypedx.com/ColonCancerChemo
    DIGESTION
    Chemotherapy-induced vomiting and gastrointestinal upset may irritate the intestinal cells that produce lactase, the enzyme that breaks down lactose, a sugar found in dairy foods. The active cultures in yogurt assist in breaking down some of the lactose, making it easier for your body to digest yogurt compared to milk. A study published in February 1995 in "Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology" and Nutrition" found that yogurt alleviated symptoms of lactose malabsorption in children receiving chemotherapy,
    INCREASE SNACKS
    You may feel too nauseous to eat a complete meal, but nutritionally dense snacks can help you keep energy levels high. Try to eat 5 or 6 smaller meals instead of three large ones. Yogurt or smoothies made with yogurt and fruit are excellent choices. Work with your doctor to establish a healthy eating plan to help you through this time.

  • ablydec
    ablydec Member Posts: 124
    edited January 2013

    Anyone have a good source for nutritional advice for chemo that is somewhat moderate (meaning not extremely hokey, has some data basis, but is still a little holistic)?  A website or book?

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    Hey all,

    This information came off the American Cancer Society web site, this is just a small amount of an overwhelming amount of information. Guess I will cut way down on my Greek Yogurt for awhile.

    Food safety

    Food safety is very important when your ANC is low. Infections can be picked up from food and drinks. A low microbial diet (low-germ or neutropenic diet) may be suggested if your ANC is low. This type of diet and these actions may help you reduce infection risk from foods:

    • Do not eat or drink any raw milk or raw milk products, or any milk or milk product that has not been pasteurized, including cheese and yogurt made from unpasteurized milk.
    • Do not eat Mexican-style soft cheese such as queso fresco or queso blanco.
    • Do not eat cheese containing chili peppers or other uncooked vegetables.
    • Do not eat raw or undercooked meat, fish, chicken, eggs, or tofu.
    • Do not eat cold smoked fish, including lox, jerky, kippered, or nova-style fish.
    • Do not eat miso or tempeh products.
    • Do not eat hot dogs, deli meats, or processed meats (unless they have been cooked or thoroughly re-heated just before eating).
    • Do not eat any food that contains mold (for example, brie, feta, or blue cheese, including that in salad dressings).
    • Do not eat any uncooked vegetables and fruits.
    • Do not eat uncooked grain products.
    • Do not eat unwashed salad greens.
    • Do not eat vegetable sprouts (alfalfa, bean, and others).
    • Do not drink fruit or vegetable juices that have not been pasteurized.
    • Do not eat raw honey (honey that has not been pasteurized).
    • Do not eat raw nuts or nuts roasted in their shells.
    • Do not drink beer that has not been pasteurized (this is most often home brewed and some microbrewery beers).
    • Do not drink “sun tea” or cold-brewed tea made with warm or cold water.
    • Do not drink maté tea.
    • Do not drink unboiled well water.
    • Do not eat brewer’s yeast.
    • Do not eat any outdated food.
    • Do not eat any cooked food that has been left at room temperature for 2 hours or more. If the food is left where the air temperature is 90° F or above, the limit is 1 hour.
    • Do not eat any food that has been handled or prepared with unwashed hands.

    Talk with your doctor about any dietary questions or concerns you may have, or ask to talk with a registered dietitian.

  • Colleenkelly
    Colleenkelly Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2013

    Hello everyone. Regarding juicing, I thought we weren't suppose to have fresh fruits and vegetables during chemo? I haven't met with a nutrionist yet, but that is just something I read. I go back to the plastic surgeon today and hopefully he will remove my drains. I can't get my pet scan or brain Mri until they are out. Two weeks until I start my first round and I still need to have scans, an echocardiogram, and my port put in and nothing is scheduled yet. Mandy- I am so happy for you that u got to go home. I must say your story does scare me a little but that is why we come on here is so we can vent about the good days and the bad. Take care, Colleen





  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    Colleen, no eating of the peelings, like apples. Any fruits or veggies should be peeled, washed really well, or cooked, that is what I have been told and read.

    Sheryl

  • NikkiLiz
    NikkiLiz Member Posts: 36
    edited January 2013

          Slight rant here but:

       Everyone I am going to admitably be the guinea pig. I am a nutritional hippie. I intend to stick with my fermented soy foods (tofu, Miso) and juice with organic veggies and fruits and eat (or try to)all the cooked veggies I can without falling pray to processed foods. I get plenty of protein, iron, and calcium from plant based foods that fortunately I can juice and receive. Also- For you juicers (or dabblers) out there, Kale has more protein per calorie than beef does! But most importantly dont go crazy reading all these articles and Dos & Dont's. I think its mostly common sense but its almost like diagnosing yourself on WebMD. A rash that could possibly be leprosy...lol.

  • NikkiLiz
    NikkiLiz Member Posts: 36
    edited January 2013

    Colleen-Good luck getting those drains out-it was a relief when all 3 left my body-make sure you take a percocet incase it stings a little Wink. My port was outpatient- I was in and out in 4 hours and my echo took longer than the 20 minutes because my implants kept reflecting the sonogram :-/  I didnt have to do a pet or Brain scan.  It seems like a lot but hang in there! xo Nikki

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Does this page looked messed up to anyone else? Or is it just me? It's going across the entire iPad screen.



    Paula

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    Not you mine too, must be an issue with the site right now.

  • Skigirl72
    Skigirl72 Member Posts: 478
    edited January 2013

    yup mine too, I dont like it. How do we fix it??

  • Rhonda2
    Rhonda2 Member Posts: 133
    edited January 2013

    Weird,

    Not doing it on the other sites!

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    Only doing it on the last page too not prior pages. weird

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Hey Mods....We need help! Can you fix this?

  • kiwikid
    kiwikid Member Posts: 204
    edited January 2013

    Ski girl I'm so jealous and would love to go snowboarding, I used to live in co and it was the best time of my life. We have good snow here in NZ but not till July.



    Ski Mommi I have a juicer that my friends bought me when I was first dx. It is a cold press juicer (no metal to cut and damage cells) called Oscar da 1000.it was expensive but is amazing. THAT BEING SAID.... I have decided not to juice during chemo as I read that cancer cells act like normal cells and juicing can protect cancer cells from the harmful effects of the chemo, so catch 22 but best to wait till after tx. Veges are fine but high dose antioxidant value of juicing is debated. Anything debated I'm trying to avoid. It's so hard to know what is right isn't it?



    My hair is shaved down to a number 3 but I kept my fringe, feel like a freak! It's really hurting though (fringe) which I guess is a sign its letting go. I had lots coming out yesterday before I had it buzzed. I'm now on day 17!



    Hope you are all ok, not looking forward to next week in the post chemo haze.



    Xx kk

  • Colleenkelly
    Colleenkelly Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2013

    Thanks Nikki, my MO said that I don't need the brain scan, but I told him I want it. My dad died at 44 of brain cancer and I just think it will give me piece of mind. I will be 44 next month, so we were both diagnosed of cancer at age 43. Kind of strange. I wish we all lived in a little neighborhood together while going through this. Hugs to all!!!!

  • Skigirl72
    Skigirl72 Member Posts: 478
    edited January 2013

    kiwikid- I want to ski in July! I always wanted to book a trip in July or august to Argentina or Chili (its closer than New Zealand) to go skiing. I was in Hawaii a bunch of years ago, and was a few weeks too early for skiing. They get snow on top of one of the volcanoes there for like a month. I was so bummed. I would be the ONLY human who went to Hawaii to ski. LOL. I would love to see Australia and New Zealand some day. I have a bucket list that includes those two countries. I applaud you on the #3 buzz... I am going to have my guy do that to me this weekend I think. Are you on Facebook? A few of us on here hooked up there too (ok that sounds weird, but you know).

    So, Debbie Inzana- Rochester, NY if you are and anyone else here who wants to friend me!

    That soup I mentioned earlier is in the cookbook- The Cancer Fighting Kitchen (Magic Mineral Broth pg.54). Hell, the whole book looks great! I'm going to start requesting dishes out of this for a while and see how it goes. My DH is a great cook. I think I'm pretty good, but, he is definitely better. I am happy to hand over the kitchen a few nights a week. No arguments from me!

  • ablydec
    ablydec Member Posts: 124
    edited January 2013

    It's funny about parents and cancer.  My mother was diagnosed with BC at the same age (48) I am now.   A little scary, because she died of it five years later, but there is so so much more known about the disease now.

  • NikkiLiz
    NikkiLiz Member Posts: 36
    edited January 2013

    Ablydec-yup. My mom was diagnosed at 51 (but is now 10 years cancer free :-))gave me a BRCA gene and I was diagnosed at 35. I'm living proof you can't beat genetics. You are too right about advances in science. Her port was HUGE- we were amazed at how small mine is-you can't even see it except for the scar!

  • Skigirl72
    Skigirl72 Member Posts: 478
    edited January 2013

    ablydec and NikkiLiz- I have the only BC in the family for as far back as anyone remembers. My father is a 10yr survivor of Prostate cancer. There are studies going on that say men with prostate cancer have a higher percentage of daughters with breast cancer. I have a sister that is 1 1/2 yrs older than me and she is fine. So, that to me is a crap shoot. I'll wait for some real data. My mother was a medical trainwreck with all kinds of health issues. Breast cancer was not one of them. I am glad medical science makes huge strides in helping us live long lives after diagnosis. I showed a friend of mine my new reconstructed left breast and she was amazed at how good it looks. I had to hold in the laughter (google images of TRAM Flap Reconstruction and you'll understand why I was laughing at her comment). I am amazed that they can take your tummy fat and skin and create a new breast. I can see how after everything settles down I will look very simmilar to what I used to look like. I do wish they would find the cause and a cure before more women are affected. I have 2 neices that are in their 20s. I hope they never have to go through this horseshit.

  • kiwikid
    kiwikid Member Posts: 204
    edited January 2013

    My parents are ok, touch wood. Mum is only 59 and Dad is 62. Dad's dad died on cancer in his early 60s though. I still have 3 living grandparents - 87, 88 and 90 so thought I had pretty good genes. Getting BC was just random I guess, although that doesn't make sense to me. And I have the older ladies' one, er +. Who knows, I could drive myself insane asking why, but the answer is, I'll never know.

    Can you see my buzz cut with fringe in the pic? It's day17 now and I just took that. The fringe is hurting though as the weight of the hair pulls on it and it wants to fall out :(

    xx kk

  • MamaK16
    MamaK16 Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2013

    Sorry, I have fallen off for a few days after chemo (or was it the neulesta???! that stuff makes places ache that I didn't know I had!) Going back and trying to catch up on posts seems a little overwhelming at the moment, but I do have some questions.......

    1.  I have had continued horrible gas-type pains in my ribs since chemo Thursday.  It won't go away despite imodium, tums, or zofran.  Any suggestions?

    2.  I went back to work today and it was terrible.  I felt nauseated most of the time.....isn't that suppose to improve by 5th day.  I never want to work again and don't feel like being a nurse any more.

    3.  My face is red and hot---looks like I just went tanning.  Is this still the steroids?

    Kristin

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Thanks Mods. That's so much better.



    Paula

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    Kristen, I too turned red from the steroids (that is my guess). I had horrible pain everywhere after the Neulasta like you in places I didn't know I even had feeling in. Didn't have the gas feeling but totally miserable. I had to call Saturday for pain meds, I had chemo Thursday and Neulasta Friday. Saturday was the day from hell, fuzzy head, ached everywhere. I don't know how you guys are working I admire you but truthfully I would have been dangerous to my patients. I would have kicked them out of bed and got in myself. LOL. Today I feel pretty good even though I woke up with fever 100.8. My mo said to monitor it no ABTs at this time. I don't know what to tell you except make sure you are getting 3-4 qts of fluid. It seems to fix most everything unless you have a bad heart or kidney disease.

    Hang tough, Sheryl

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Girls, do you know about taking Claritin to combat the bone pain from Neulasta? You can go to the dollar stores and get Loratidine, which is the generic and is a lot cheaper. Take it the day before Neulasta and for several days after.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • SherylB
    SherylB Member Posts: 450
    edited January 2013

    I took the claritin Thursday got Neulasta Friday still taking the claritin daily can't imagine the pain if I hadn't because Saturday and Sunday were miserable much better today.

    s

Categories