Hyperthermia anyone?

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Just wondering if anyone has been treated with hyperthermia and what data is out there about results since it's not really accepted here in the US?  I've just been rediagnosed with mets to my liver.  I've started herceptin and tykerb but want to keep all options open-I have 2 small boys and they need their mom!  Thanks ladies!

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  • Sue2690
    Sue2690 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2012
    Yes!

    I did both regional hyperthermia (14 times, twice after each of my first 7 chemo treatments) and whole body (once, after my last chemo).

    My tumor was initially too big for surgery, and my lymph nodes were matted. The surgeon and onc said I needed to do chemo first, hoping to shrink the tumor and loosen up the nodes so surgery would be more successful. They said the second half of chemo (taxotere & herceptin) would hopefully shrink the tumor. I had an MRI after chemo #4, I assume as a baseline to measure shrinkage of the tumor from the remaining chemo... and the tumor was gone. There was no indication of cancer in either the breast or the nodes. (Yay!) I credit the hyperthermia and the other stuff my naturopath had me doing, since I hadn't yet had the drugs that were supposed to shrink the tumor.

    Here's the link to where I went:

    http://www.integratedhealthclinic.com/_cancercare/cancerCare.htm

    I've met several people at the clinic (including people who have travelled here from all over North America) who have had treatments for mets and have seen significant shrinkage of tumors. With the whole body hyperthermia they've also seen an overall improvement in immune function, such as cuts and scrapes healing faster, stuff like that.

    I'm happy to answer any specific questions you have! And best of luck to you. This is hard enough with teenagers - it's got to be a whole lot more challenging (and scary) with small kids.

    Sue

  • hendricks1
    hendricks1 Member Posts: 88
    edited October 2012

    So glad to hear of your success-thanks so much Sue---I know there are people out there who've had hyperthermia treatment but seems hard to find them.  By the way, where are you from? My oncologist doesn't agree with these treatments since there haven't been clinical trials but I'm open to other options. I don't think that just because it's not used in the US, it isn't valid.

    I was looking at a place in Germany but Canada is more appealing. Did they give you any data to show success rates?  I guess I should call and see what info they can provide. How long was your treatment and did insurance cover any of it?

    Thanks for sharing and best wishes! 

  • Sue2690
    Sue2690 Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2012

    I'm just outside Vancouver, BC, and the clinic I go to is in Fort Langley.  I didn't actually tell my onc that I was doing this... 

    The Naturopath I see at this clinic is actually part of a mainstream clinical trial for the hyperthermia for ... pancreatic cancer?  I think that's the one.  In Canada, the mean survival time is 2-3 months (or something like that) while in Germany, where hyperthermia is much more mainstream, survival is 2-3 years.  That's a big difference!

    Hyperthermia is only available in a handful of places in North America.  The clinic in Fort Langely, Duke University, and some where in California.  I think there are some places in Mexico too, but I don't know of any specifics. 

    I didn't get stats on anything breast-cancer related.  I did do some reading online, and looked into some of the mechanisms the naturopath talked about.  I figured that with stage 3 cancer we needed to throw everything at it we could. My thinking - to be very, very blunt - was that if it helped it was money well spent, and if it didn't and I didn't make it then there is insurance to cover the expenses.

    Treatment was after every chemo, so about 6 months.  I think there's a protocol to go back and do a whole body every 3-6 months for the next few years, which I will follow once I get through active treatment.  Insurance doesn't cover any of this, although some people might have extended medical through work or whatever that would.

    Sorry this is kind of disjointed - had my UMX last week and fill yesterday, so still a little wacky myself. 

    Sue

    PS There are clinical trials!  Check the Duke University website!  They are doing research specifically on breast cancer (they have a "boobie jacuzzi" there).  I don't recall who has whole-body hyperthermia in the US, although I think someone does. And someone in Calgary is getting set up to do hyperthermia, although I don't know if it's regional or whole-body.  (There are two people I know who come here from Calgary after every chemo to have HT done here, and lots of people who travel from other places around NA.)

  • hendricks1
    hendricks1 Member Posts: 88
    edited October 2012

    Sue2690-Thanks for your post!  I'm glad you've made it through the tough part-congratulations!!

    I know there are people out there doing hyperthermia but it's not as common for sure.  Wish I still lived on Whidbey ISland WA-that's a good bit closer to Fort Langley than Georgia!  By the way Vancouver is beautiful-used to love visitng there and Whistler for some fabulous skiing.

    So you're still doing treatments right now? So what is the experience like?   Are there any side effects involved? I see you're Her2+ like me...did you do chemo there or in Vancouver at your local oncologists?  I guess I need to call and ask some more breast ca related questions but the idea of hyperthermia definitely makes sense to me.  Will check out the Duke website for more info!

    I'm waiting for scans the beginning of Nov but I think things are going well right now for me.  With metastatic disease though, you never know how long things will stay "good". So I'll be keeping this in my back pocket.  Do you mind telling me how much treatment was?  You can PM me if you like.

    Thanks and take care-wishing you all the best! 

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Member Posts: 1,439
    edited October 2012

    Sue, I am SO appreciative of you posting this and Hendrick to you as well for asking!!



    I have done lots of research into WBT, and followed the progress closely at MD Anderson, Univ of Texas, Duke, Sanoviv and St Georg, amongst others,in Germany. The price in Germany at the time I checked was $8500. Quite out of reach for this mom to 3.



    But, Fort Langley just told me that with a $299 consult they can do the whole body hyperthermia for $975. That's very exciting news!



    I am going through tissue expanders now, and with my luck would melt them, lol. So I will shoot for having this treatment sometime next year.

  • hendricks1
    hendricks1 Member Posts: 88
    edited October 2012

    Geewhiz-good to know!  I too am going to see if I can get more info and make this happen.  That is definitely more reasonable.  In Germany, they say you should plan to stay for 3 weeks so I don't know the difference between the plans-is it the number of treatments, or just the extras they have you do while you're there?  I'll see what I can find.

    Take care!!

  • cinnamonsmiles
    cinnamonsmiles Member Posts: 779
    edited January 2013

    Does anyone have any information on whether hyperthermia can be used with women who have Stage 0 DCIS (cancer only in the milk ducts)?

  • mgdsmc
    mgdsmc Member Posts: 332
    edited January 2013

    Hello Ladies



    I didn't have the treatment but was looking into it when I was first diagnosed 2/15/12. There is a clinic called VCI in Los Angeles that does it. The website has lots of information about studies done using it. I'm going from memory but I think it is recognized treatment and insurance covers it if you have a PPO.

    It seemed great but just wasn't for me.

    Hope this helps

    Michelle

  • hendricks1
    hendricks1 Member Posts: 88
    edited January 2013

    Hi Ladies-

    Cinnamonsmiles-I do not know the answer to that but it might be worth calling the clinic to see what they say. 

    I am heading to Canada on Thursday-I will do a week of local hyperthermia treatments after my next chemo on Wednesday.  I know there are no guarantees but I figure I should do whatever I can-when you're stage IV what is there to lose? The idea makes sense and other countries have used this treatment for years-I'll keep you posted!

    Take care and hugs, Gail

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Member Posts: 1,439
    edited January 2013

    Good luck Gail!! Fry those suckers!! Keep us posted on your experience, I can't wait to hear about it! We are looking at going this spring. You and I are neighbors. I am about 30 minutes north of you!

    Michelle, I looked into Valley as well. Their doctor, who is an absolute angel (Dr Goldschmidt or something) told me that they do not do whole body, nor does he believe in it much. Interesting insight. I still want to do it however. I did so appreciate him telling me to stay off the internet researching this stuff and go live my life that I was going to be fine. : ) Always good to hear!

  • hopefour
    hopefour Member Posts: 459
    edited January 2013

    Thank you for this topic. Very interesting....cheering you on Hendricks1 and hoping it serves you well by killing those cancer cells!!

    Geewhiz I know this is off topic but would you mind sharing with me if there was a kit or such that you used to start growing wheatgrass?? I've figured out how to grow broccoli sprouts...yeah me...but wheatgrass seems hard!! I also did Vit C infusions after treatment....may decide to continue to do them...I know you did Vit C and wondered if you were still or had stopped...hope that is not to personal a question...if so don't answer. You seem very on top of organic treatments and I value your info....realize this is not for everyone....I also do lots of green juicing!! Thank you for any info and sorry for being off topic!!!

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Member Posts: 1,439
    edited January 2013

    Hopefour, wheatgrass is super easy to grow. We usually keep 2 trays going. We juice it into smoothies for everyone in the morning. Our Omega juicer handles it, but it gums up most juicers and blenders. There is a hand crank that costs about $100 that is a more economical option. It has been raining buckets since December so we havent started a new tray in a few weeks. When the sun pokes its head back out maybe I can do a wheatgrass tutorial. Its much cheaper than a kit at Whole foods. You can even toast the wheatgrass seeds after you have harvested them and toss them on a salad!



    I still get Vitamin C iv's. It sucks to sit there 2 hours with a needle in your arm after all that we have been through. My naturopath adds a vitamin cocktail too, not sure what all is in it. He changes it up a lot, though it has B vitamins as a staple. I just had recon surgery in December and was thinking it was time for a C!



    I have been babying myself since surgery and finally got to do a cardio class after 4 weeks. Good grief!! I barely made it down the stairs today!!

  • hopefour
    hopefour Member Posts: 459
    edited January 2013

    Geewhiz,

    Thank you so much for sharing! I have a Humor juicer that does well with the wheatgrass...its just so expensive to juice wheatgrass when I have to buy it, so now I put my wheatgrass in my Vitamixer with my whey protein. If you say its easy to grow,  I'll give it a try...getting tried of the cost of buying!!

    It's nice to hear from someone else who is doing the Vit C infusions. I did all that MD Anderson recommended for treatment and then researched what other treatments, lifestyle, diet, supplements might be helpful...always questioning myself as to whether I am making the right choices for me..thank you for sharing your choices! I use the time that I do the Vit C infusions as my "guilt free nap time"!!

    Thank you again for sharing and hope you heal fast! Doing a cardio class four weeks after recon sounds like your doing great!!!

  • hendricks1
    hendricks1 Member Posts: 88
    edited January 2013

    thanks for your posts ladies! I'm trying to get more "green" myself and find it interesting that most oncologists know drugs that help but don't make many comments about lifestyle, eating, etc.  I too want to throw everything I can at this pain in the ass!

    Had my first treatment today at the Integrated Health Clinic and had a Vitamin C infusion too. Feeling fine and hoping for good results .

    Thanks Sue for your info and messages!  Hugs to you all!

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