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  • Cocobean
    Cocobean Member Posts: 135
    edited January 2013

    Whenlife and kidsand labs- Yay! Congrats!



    Amy- I don't think my parents wanted me to get a BMX, before surgery I could just tell they weren't sure about removing both, since there was no cancer on my right side, but once it was time for surgery and since then it hasn't been an issue and they have been nothing but supportive....and I have let them know I never regretted my choice...so I think that has helped them.



    Jojo- so happy the drain is gone! I called mine Thing One and Thing Two...so gross.



    Take care everyone, enjoy the weekend!



  • EnglishRose75
    EnglishRose75 Member Posts: 147
    edited January 2013

    Kids, Whenlife--hooray!  Congratulations on reaching the end! Enjoy the feeling of knowing that in three weeks' time, you won't be doing it again.  Yay! 

    Bearcub--right there with you.  7 down, 13 to go.  Today they took ages to get me in the right position.  Two or three attempts--said I'd come in a different body!  How familiar are you now with every aspect of the walls in your radiotherapy room?  I know every inch of mine from my "lie still and don't move a muscle position."  I go in to a zone and almost enjoy the 15 minutes or so of relative peace and quiet; it's become the only moment I have to myself all day!

    kelleyb and Toastie--your comments really hit home with me.  This experience has taught me so much about myself and other people.  Like you, there have been some people who have disappeared, some people who seem to struggle with how to deal with me and the situation, and some who have really come through.  I think that if I could be guaranteed that this is the end of it, I'd almost be glad for the experience.  I sort of feel enlightened by it. My view is that cancer or not, all our lives are short and precious.  Why waste time on things and people that are not important.  And this for me has certainly crystalised who and what is important.  Bugger the rest.  Let those things/people go who don't enhance your life in some way.  It's liberating in some ways.

    My "best" friend, who I would have considered a good friend before all this, has stood by me since my diagnosis.  She went with me to buy my wig, she e-mails me almost every day, even if just a sentence or two, to ask me how I'm doing.  She's accompanied me to chemo sessions, radiotherapy sessions, brought me dinner and taken my kids out for fun days out when I've been feeling low.  She keeps telling me how much she admires me for just getting on with it, but in fact I admire her more for sticking with it, even though it's all depressing, ugly and awkward.  She also runs her own business and has two young twin boys.  That's real friendship, in my opinion.  I have no time anymore for fake friendships or vacuous relationships.  Why bother.

    I've wondered how I would have been if a close work colleague or friend were diagnosed with breast cancer.  What would I have said to them?  Would it have made me frightened about my own mortality?  Would I have been worried about saying the wrong thing to them and therefore not said anything at all?  I'd like to think I would have been as caring as some people have been to me.  A few work colleagues have actually said to me "I'm frightened of saying the wrong thing" or "your situation makes me really scared" and I respect them for that.  I've been very open and upfront about the whole thing at work and treat the whole thing (probably inappropriately) with humour.  I'll sit there in a meeting and say something like "is my wig falling off" or "for God's sake, tell me if I smudge my eyebrows."  That seems to help take the stress out of things on both sides.

  • damiana9
    damiana9 Member Posts: 389
    edited January 2013

    Mariposa-  WOW- I love your picture!!!

    I had my first herceptin (and perjetta/placebo) only infusion wednesday.  It really didn't seem that much shorter.  I have still had some pain and was quite worn out yesterday but other than that I feel pretty good!  So glad that this part is going to be easier than regular chemo!   The muscle pain I had in my legs and arms has spread to my hands now- that really sucks!  I hope it starts getting better soon!  I also got a referral to an opthamologist for my eyes- they water so badly I feel like a lawn sprinkler.

    I have a TE placed and was planning on getting an implant.  I have never really been happy about this- I just don't like the idea of fake crap being in my body.  I thought that over time I would grow to be okay with the idea but still I am not.  I have been revisiting the idea of a DIEP flap.  My PS doesnt do the procedure but he is referring me to the doctors that do, if I decide I want that.  Anyway- I was talking to my MO wednesday to see what she thought of DIEP boobs.  She gave me some pros/cons, then told me that she has a patient that would be happy to talk to me and show me her boobs!  The woman called yesterday and left me a message.  I haven't gotten back to her yet but I am very excited.  It is weird though- when I call her back, do I say 'hey baby, I wanna see you with your top off, so I can fondle your boobs!'???  Ack!  I just can't think of a way to have this conversation and have it not seem weird.  I am also not sure how much my MO told this woman.  I imagine she would be okay with it but still- a weird conversation for sure!

  • Mariposa123
    Mariposa123 Member Posts: 267
    edited January 2013

    Thanks Damiana:-)

    Do you have a support group in your area?  The women in my support group are super open and we have "show and tells" pretty often for new members.  We all go to a back part of the office, and the ladies who have completed surgery all show their boobs and tell us what they had done.  It has been pretty enlightening.  Even the therapist who runs the group has shown her boobs (she had a lumpectomy five years ago).  Everyone also talks about the pros and cons of what they had done.  I was just thinking if you could get to a support group, it might be a nice place to hear from others.

    I had originally wanted to do the DIEP- but then I thought about the additional healing time and how hard it would be to take care of the kids.  It is already so hard!  I just want the shortest recovery time as possible.  But I completely know what you mean about having these foreign objects in our bodies. 

    I asked before and no one said anything- but has anyone heard of or is planning on using the "gummy bears" for their implants?  They supposedly are less likely to leak and several people I have talked to have said that they look more natural. I put a link below.  I am not sure if they offer them everywhere- but I want to ask my surgeon:-)

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/gummy-bear-breast-implants-future-breast-augmentation-surgery/story?id=16370362

     



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  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited January 2013

    Mariposa..I have heard of them and one of the PS I had a consultation with used them but I decided to go with another PS this one rubbed me the wrong way... But I do plan to use a silicone implant not saline. When I go back to see Dr. Ford on Tuesday (my PS) I plan to ask him if he uses gummy bears or not. From  what I have read they are pretty durable and even retain there shape when cut in half.... crazy! I will fill you in Tuesday..

  • damiana9
    damiana9 Member Posts: 389
    edited January 2013

    Mariposa- the support group is a good idea!  Usually any nearby meetings are 30 mins away and in the evenings- it is hard for me to do evenings so I haven't looked into it much, but for some boobs I might reconsider ;)  The added healing is why I originally ended up going with a TE/implant.  I didnt know how hard the mastectomy recovery would be by itself, then to add MAJOR abdominal surgery, on top of knowing I had chemo coming up and just the whole cancer thing in general- I went with easy.  Now I am more willing to reconsider.  My youngest is almost 5, and I have already had a few major surgeries so they know the drill and are good about not making me pick them up, etc.

  • Toastiecat
    Toastiecat Member Posts: 132
    edited January 2013

    Amy, so glad you can have a nurse! I think you will find it a big comfort.
    Yes, a lot of people had negative reactions when they heard I was doing a BMX. It was hard not to let these affect me, since I was newly diagnosed and pretty emotional. I was set on the decision, then my aunt made some comment and sent me into a tailspin. Other women I know who have had a BMX have also experienced this kind of push back. I find it especially weird when men have a strong reaction. Um, you really don't get it dude.

  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited January 2013

    Toastiecat... Men..... Lol you would think they would be the first ones to say bring on the foobs! I guess I shouldnt let it detour me it is my body after all plus the only persons opinion that really matters to me is my husbands and he is behind me 100% He is def a keeper... love him!

  • cgesq
    cgesq Member Posts: 319
    edited January 2013

    Damiana, my eyes are watering like crazy also!!  So annoying!!  I am 2 and a half weeks post final TCH and still no relief from the eye tearing.  Glad to hear that you didn't feel any different getting the triple herceptin.  I'm afraid that I will literally fall asleep and not wake up from the concentrated dose!

    Mariposa, love your new pic!  I have tremendous respect for you for not going to lunch!  My new system when I am around people who feel the need to ask me about my cancer situation, even though we never spoke in the past, is to say "thank you for your thoughts, but I really don't want to talk about it!  I'm sure you understand!"  Then they sheepishly say "of course" and walk away!  This has worked for me several times....especially when I had this woman follow me into the bathroom!  (She had asked me how I was...and I said fine....and then turned to go to the bathroom and she followed me in and gave me the pity look and wouldn't back off!)

    On another topic, my infusion center never heard of the "ring the bell" for final chemo.  When I mentioned it, the nurses looked at me like I was crazy and said "what bell??"

    For all those going through surgery now, I highly recommend the following system for keeping the drains clean and out of the way.  The next time you are in the grocery store, grab a bunch of new, unused plastic bags that they have in the produce dept and take them home.  Then, after you millk the drains (with an alchohol wipe), place the bulb of the drains and as much as the tubing as fits comfortably into the bag, then pin the bag to the inside of your shirt, or place the bag into the large pockets of pants.  I had 8 drains, 4 on each side (I had the back flap surgery, so I had more drains than usual.)  This system keeps the drains together and sanitary.  Also, by pinning the bag, and not the drains, you take the weight off the drain and it makes it more comfortable.  I had drains for several weeks and I never got an infection.

    Have a great weekend everyone!!!

  • cgesq
    cgesq Member Posts: 319
    edited January 2013

    Amy  I also got negative reactions from relatives about doing the bmx, when technically I only had cancer on one side.  Several questioned it and said what I was doing was "overkill" and "excessive."  However, after my surgery, when the pathology of the clean side showed atypical cells, they all shut up!!

    Basically, you have to do what feels right for you!!  Good luck!

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited January 2013

    My ladies my family thinks that im always a crazy gal..... So when I made my decision to do Bmx... Even before my BRBC .... They thought that I really lost lol..lol.. But I had made up my mind no matter what even before chemo... I love to take the bull by its horns....... I'm really happy with my decision.....the one person that asks every time she sees me is my mother in law " but why do you wanna remove them ... Why".... I explained it to her 30 times so guess what... I just say I want big boobs.....lol BIG ONES.....lol



    I was wondering if you guys heard of the tear drop implants ....

  • Neta69
    Neta69 Member Posts: 203
    edited January 2013

    I can so relate to what you are all saying about friends. Some people have really amazed me! I'm so lucky that I have had great support from so many of my girlfriends.

    English, I know exactly what you mean about how it all becomes so clear and obvious and about what it has taught me. Awful as it all is, there is that.


    Amy, it's your body, your life and your decision. Glad to hear your DH is supportive.

    Damiana, of course it's weird but so is this whole experience! The lady with the foobs probably wants to "pay it forward" and help someone who is in the position she was in once.

    Mariposa, they sometimes use gummy bear implant here in Ottawa and I know a lady who has them. She wanted them because there is no risk of any silicone leaking out into the body and she is happy with how they feel.

    I've recently started a gentle exercise routine. Will try and walk every day for 30-40 mins and do yoga 2-3 times a week. I will work up from this to more cardio as I get stronger. I try to eat well but have put on weight and really want to lose it. I also hope exercise will help my mental state and help me sleep better. It seems the Tamoxifen makes it difficult to sleep :(

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited January 2013

    Ladies, help!



    Got path report and have mixed emotions. Overall it is good. Margins were clear so no more surgery! Tumor primarily responded to treatment however some small spots remained. 1 positive node even after chemo. Node cancer was small however. Other tests - tumor marker was 34, normal range is 1-37. This will be my baseline going forward. My blood work prior to surgery showed high liver enzymes. Anyone else have that? Hoping its from chemo, but BS said to discuss with MO next week. Was soooooo hoping for complete response, but this is good. Cancer just sucks all the way around. Friday nite crying fest - it was just my time for tears. Hugs

  • SeattleMama
    SeattleMama Member Posts: 147
    edited January 2013

    Patricia - hope your chemo trip went smoothly today. I'll find out what new concoction I'm getting next week.

    Lemons- YAY!!!  Doing a happy dance for you :)

    You too, JoJo - YAY!! drain free (to Born Free, makes me wanna run free in a field)  giggle

    After ctscan today I had to stop by surgeon to have him check out a fluid pouch. Yep, overnight last night, whammo "huh, what's that?!"  He said it was no big deal.  Normal.  30cc, from a full week off the drains.  He's going to check it again monday, after I go over scans with oncologist.

  • SeattleMama
    SeattleMama Member Posts: 147
    edited January 2013

    {{{HUGGS JOJO}} If I knew ANY of what you know of your #s, reports, I'd chime in.  I had no clue.  I'll be following the replies you get to know about the liver enzymes, etc.

  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited January 2013

    Hugs Jojo.... Did you have all your lymphs taken or just the hot ones? Overall it sounds good. Chin up ! You are a strong brave woman...

  • bearcub
    bearcub Member Posts: 485
    edited January 2013

    English Rose I am surprised at how things have gone quite smoothly for me on the rad table. They are so nice and I have been lucky so far and lined up well. The other day a lady before me was in there for ages, I think she had issues with the lining up. Our clinic just opened up in November so it is brand new, they have good music(not elevator) playing that I listen to while I get treatment and if I open my eyes the ceiling tiles are lit up pictures of the outside. It is very pretty and relaxing. I close my eyes when I hear the radiation going, and concentrate on not moving....I am surprised how fast and easy it all is...boob is pinking up a bit but not bad. I am doing saline compresses 2-3 times a day to stay on top of it as I am fair. I sure hope your line up on Monday is quick!...enjoy your 2 days off..

  • bearcub
    bearcub Member Posts: 485
    edited January 2013

    JoJo that is a pretty good path. With the chemo and now surgery done, go ahead and have a good cry you have been through lots. So glad you got clear margins. Your poor liver has had a lot of drugs pushed through it, I wouldn't worry too much. Try and have a great weekend, relax and let the body heal....



    All of us have been going down this long road for quite a while now, it is hard to believe we have come this far.



    Everyone have a great weekend!

  • Cherioo
    Cherioo Member Posts: 305
    edited January 2013

    Jojo , don't cry .... You are fine, your margin was clear. Your report seemed good. If they felt that your liver Functions were bad they would have said something



    Amy , i new getting a double was right for me and did not care what anyone said . I am glad I made that decision . My DH like yours loves me for me and he thinks I am beautiful still with my chia pet hair and no boobs. We are lucky girls to have men who love us for us. I am excited about my new ones.

  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited January 2013

    JoJo...Big hug for you! That's good news about your clear margins. I wouldn't worry about the bloodwork. Sounds like chemo. Taxol really raised my liver tests so I bet it's that. Cancer does suck and you can cry all you want. Take care of yourself.

  • Neta69
    Neta69 Member Posts: 203
    edited January 2013

    Jojo, Clean margins are great and now the tumor and the positive node are gone! Seems there could be many reasons for test results coming back high.

    Bearcub, glad to hear you are coping so well wirh the rads :)

    Hope, what a lovely picture!

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited January 2013

    Hopex - beautiful! I love seeing pics of us looking so happy!



    Thanks for the encouragement. I was hoping I guess to hear no signs of cancer, I was close! I know what brought the tears. Like all of us who have taken the neoadjuvant route, we have waited a long time to have the cancer out. I have been waiting since July for that freakin path report and anything less than perfect felt disappointing (even though it was good). I had the vision of the adriamycin being pushed into my veins again and wondering how could those cells live through that. I just needed a cry to shed all the months of anticipation and move forward to rads.



    Not helping that the pain meds have "backed me up". 3 colace and still waitin.

  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited January 2013

    Amy - I was on the fence myself about BMX, my mother, husband and sister were the ones that helped me make the decision to do the BMX. I have a stong family history of breast, ovarian, and other cancers and braca the decision  for me was the right one and I do not regret it.

  • patriciahurtado
    patriciahurtado Member Posts: 489
    edited January 2013

    My Jojo you're right we wait for so long to no signs but it's ok cause over all you have great news...,, margin clear one small node......



    I love your fest it reminds me of that song "it's my party and I'll cry if i want to..... Cry if I want to!!!... That's right my Jojo you cry.......let it all out ..... Then after your done lets keep on fighting .... have you had soursop and flaxseeds ... Every morning i make 1/2 cup of blueberries rasberries strawberries 1/4 of pure soursop 1 tablespoon of flaxseeds 1tablespoon of greek yougurt honey and sprinkle cinnamon........ Great smoothie.....Yummy i dont really know if soursop will help ...all i know it taste good and the last thing we dont want do is loose faith..... You're my warrior look how far you got and that beautiful long hair ;) .... We still gonna party in Vegas right?? We such meet in September All that are in favor say "I ".......... I



    My biopsy for node is positive after surgery I will know how many I have I hope none besides that one .... That soursop better work if not hope they will remove it....



    My ride in chemoland was great my onco lower my Benadryl doses and no more jitters weeeeee weeeee... Watched a movie with my lovely DH...... The movie was funny and I was laughing not too loud but next to me arrived a lady that came in and Clorox her chair like if was so contagious... She was wearing her Versage dark sunglasses gold every where her hair was real and was wearing her black expensive hat and she was also wearing her snobby look......lol...... People wear that look here!!!!So every time I laughed she would give me the "look" I wasnt loud I even took of my headpiece but she still gave me the "look" lol .......so much anger lol ...... I save all that anger to sit there and fight like a warrior.....



    It might sound crazy but for now i love to go to my chemoland because I know it's doing good things for me.....it's fighting the enemy and besides that ....my DH sits there and give me so much love...... He always holds my hand plays with my chia ....grabs my chin ... He always had been that way .... But it feel specially good while I'm sitting there..... I feel like I'm the Farries wheel all loveby dovy.... Lol.......



    My ladies don't give up fight fight fight!!.....



    Have a great weekend........





    Of to get some soursop!!

  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited January 2013

    Butterfly... I too have a strong family history of BC not to mention cancer in general. Plus I am three times positive and from what I have read it puts me in a higher rate for recurrence. I am 34 my babies are young and I wanna be here for them and their babies one day. To top it off piece of mind in general. It goes back to the same thing for me, people who have not had to face cancer just dont get it and they wont.... I am confident with my choice it just sucks that we dont get the full support we all deserve! But as cherioo said we have amazing hubbies and for that I am truely greatful... And I have all of you which I wouldnt trade for the world! Best support ever....

  • Hopex3
    Hopex3 Member Posts: 397
    edited January 2013

    Patricia...you have such a fun attitude! I bet you are a riot to be around. What is soursop? What movie did you go to?



    JoJo..Have you ever tried Smooth Move tea? It is a laxative herbal tea made by traditional medicinals. It comes even in chocolate. Also, another trick is either to massage your tummy or do sit-ups which you probably can't do sit ups now.

    Anticipation.....Anticipaaation..I'm singing that song.



    Going shopping now for a new do! Mine is getting all ratty like doll hair.

  • Amy4978
    Amy4978 Member Posts: 473
    edited January 2013

    Hopex...... Cute new pic!

  • jojo2373
    jojo2373 Member Posts: 662
    edited January 2013

    Patricia, I say I!



    Hope, yes I used that tea during chemo. Luckily things have moved! My wig is gettin like doll hair too.

  • Faith-Focus-Finish
    Faith-Focus-Finish Member Posts: 124
    edited January 2013

    Congrats on your final treatment Whenlifegives!  Isn't is great?  : )))

  • Mariposa123
    Mariposa123 Member Posts: 267
    edited January 2013

    Hopex:  love the picture!  You look beautiful:-)  Good luck finding a new wig.  I should get a new one too, but I hate spending the money.

    Amy & Patricia:  You are both so lucky to have supportive and wonderful partners in your life.  Sometimes my partner can be that way way - but it isn't very consistent... unfortunately.  Oh well.  

    Jojo:  just wanted to echo that the smooth move tea is excellent.  It has been pretty gentle- but definitely got things moving!  And crying is good and necessary.  You have been through so much so far.  And this is a big transition- so I completely understand the tears.  Big vitural hugs to you!

    English Rose:  You look beautiful in your picture too!  And how lucky you are to have such an amazing friend.  I hope after this is over- and I am feeling great again, I can be that kind of friend to someone. 

    Damiana:  Love your new picture too!  Bold and gorgeous!!!

    I am off today on an adventure to get my special lollipop license with a friend I met in the support group.  We are then headed off to the dispensary.  I am a little nervous about it all- but figure, why the heck not!  I am planning on buying some cookies:-)  And I love love love hanging out with my friend from the support group.  We are both bald and don't have to explain anything to each other.  No stupid pity looks either!  It is awesome:-) 

                                                                                                                                                

     



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