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  • Amrdbit
    Amrdbit Member Posts: 114
    edited January 2013

    JoC, Love, hugs and prayers from texas to you! We are all here for you in whatever way you need or want. It's the club that no one wants to be a member of. I know I've had my "FU to Cancer moments" and I'm very sure there will be more of them. I had plenty of them the first time around 18 years ago as well. It's normal and we are all here for you. Hoping things continue to go in the right direction and you cankick this cancer crap in the behiney. 

    Marlegal, My caps jsut showed up and right after dinner we will begin the dry run through. I'm going to have to take pictures of this and send it to my family across the country. I'm sure I am going to look hysterical. Too bad it's not halloween time!!

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 2,264
    edited January 2013

    Eli, if you posted it before, I missed it - who/what is the page topper ? (The normal looking women)



    Amr,I can't wait to hear firsthand info on the caps. We're all pulling for you. No pun intended!!

  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited January 2013

    We're family-we want to see too!

  • AMP47
    AMP47 Member Posts: 200
    edited January 2013

    Jo - I just read your story which reminded me of my own. I also was told it was only scar tissue from removing a cyst from my breast the prior year 2008.



    So for one year I live like nothing is wrong - then their were two. I called and schedule and appointment - again - no worry I will be back from vacation in two weeks your annual we will take a look. Surprise he was wrong - that would be the breast surgeon.



    When the biopsy was given to me and my husband - I left the planet, couldn't listen, talk or rationalize how this could have happen when I had the best breast surgeon in the city. My husband and I were lied to 4 times - telling us there is nothing to worry about. I still get sad and angry that he could be so careless with my life.



    After surgery, treatment he called to let me know I could call him when ever I needed to talk. I told him never to call me ever!!!!



    A friend of mine is the head surgical nurse of a very large hospital -'her advise to me was manage your care with diligence for your future health because the docs are not going to make decisions the always benefit you.



    I am, also, tired of hearing be positive. fear, sadness, anxiety, anger are all part of the tumbling emotions I felt. I try to stay out of that part of the dark attic and spend more time restructuring my life through my business and exercise. But there are days when nothing beats back the anxiety.



    I am a master swimmer and swim to keep my immune system awake and working at full capacity. Many studies, including the nurses study, propose a very strong argument that exercise may help to prevent recurrence. You can read the study while sitting so long to have your treatment.



    Hugs to you. AMP

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Amp, good points all. I also think that even good and caring docs get stuck on things, forget things, have beliefs that may not always be entirely fact-based and so on. Cancer treatment is not black/white and the stakes are high, so this means that patients have to stay on top of it, unfortunately. 

    This part of the whole thing was in many ways the hardest for me. It is a steep learning curve, even if you are reasonably intelligent and have good reading skills. I have a good friend who is a science researcher and she saved me more than once, by explaining things to me.

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited January 2013

    I agree, momine.  I consider myself pretty intelligent, but nine years ago I wasn't as active on the internet, and just trusted what my doctors told me.  I have learned so much over the years.  What I like about BCO is that you aren't just getting "facts" from others here, but you are getting real life experiences as well as direction of where to go for further info.  There are so many variences of this disease and it's tx.

    We are not all cut from the same pattern.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited January 2013

    Welcome AMP47!  You did not put your Dx line, but hopefully your cancer is long gone.  When it comes to having friends in medical fields tell us that we had best learn to look after our own healthcare interests, well, it is hard to ignore that message.  That's why docs and nurses make tough patients, they want to be involved and it is hard to just hand over the reins, knowing what they know about the varying levels of competence.

    As far as the pictures I sometimes put at the top of this page.  Usually the groups of women are just representative groups.  Sometimes a bunch of regular people (like the one now,) sometimes Middies Gone Wild, and sometimes representational groups that aren't even human.  I'd let you know if there was some "special" significance, marlegal.

    Well, I'm up early to give myself the pep talk about starting back with treatment today.  I feel good and know treatment is going to make me feel bad again, so I have to focus on the big reason why I will once again be poisoning/burning myself.  Pretty sure they will be strapping the chemo back on me this afternoon, but perhaps at the lower dosage.  Dianarose, you have gotten ahead of me now.  I will have three regular rads this week, then one regular and three boosts next week. 

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited January 2013

    Even with a regular appetite and ability to eat regular foods, I still have not been able to gain any of the ten pounds lost.  Have to adopt a Hobbit eating plan.  Going to have "second breakfast" now.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Eli, I had the same problem after treatment. I felt fine, but I was rail thin, to the point that the docs were downright worried. I found that one problem was too little protein. I had to add more fish, chicken, eggs etc. Much more than I normally eat. 

  • barsco1963
    barsco1963 Member Posts: 2,119
    edited January 2013

    Good luck with your tx once again Eli! Hoping that it will be more gentle on you than in the past. It's a good day to kill some cancer - right?

    I also have lost quite a bit of weight over the past yr. Doctors getting very concerned. Last appt a feeding tube was mentioned and on the clinic notes was the word anorexia. Yikes. I promised that I would start to eat more/better. It is not an easy task when you don't feel like eating. I have since started ciprilex and dexilant. One of them is doing the trick as my appetite has definitely increased. I can't believe how hungry I am these days.

    Here's hoping your new Hobbit diet will help you regain some of that weight.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited January 2013

    It's a good day to kill some cancer - right?

    Oh, yes, indeedy!!!!!!

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited January 2013

    I wish I could send you too thin ladies a little fat and appitite donation.  For a while I didn't have much of an appitite and lost some weight.  Now I'm so hungry I could eat anything, and the weight loss is stalled.  And I still have 20 lbs to lose before I drop below obese to merely overweight.  This whole process is so unfair.  Eat something yummy for me!

  • butterfly14
    butterfly14 Member Posts: 253
    edited January 2013

    elimar, good luck with your treatment today.

  • walker2222
    walker2222 Member Posts: 558
    edited January 2013

    When I last posted we were on page 703 now it is 763.  Wow I have been gone awhile.

    I am two and half years out from surgery on the tumor side and I am still experiencing spasms and aches.  Is that still normal.  I see my BS today (6mo checkup) and I will ask her about.  Is it the muscles still being wonky.

    Hope all is well, catch up later as I am off to the Dr.

  • AMP47
    AMP47 Member Posts: 200
    edited January 2013

    Eli - Did not realise my dx was not posting.



    This month will be 4 years since the life altering diagnois. I have been off the AI' s for about 2 months. Side effects are hard to handle and sometimes actually affect my daily ability to function and change my personality dramatically.



    So, my visit with the onco, this month, will be to either switch back to Arimidex or consider Tamox. Unfortunately, they are talking about keeping us on these drugs for ten years. One good thing about Tamoxifen is it can be taken every other day instead of everyday. Hopefully, side effects will be less than AI's on any given day.



    Not sure what your treatment again is about, but wish you well.



    Nice thread....very smart women posting to this thread. AMP

  • AMP47
    AMP47 Member Posts: 200
    edited January 2013

    Eli - I see that my dx is not going to post so here it is: IDC and DCIS, size 1.9 cm, mostly IDC with small amount of DCIS, stage 1, grade 1, NO, MO, ER+(90%), PR+(40%), Her2 - no vascular involvement; ONCO Score 11 percent chance of recurrence - low risk for recurrence;  Lumpectomy, radiation, Aromatase Inhibitor. That sums it up. AMP

  • kaza
    kaza Member Posts: 284
    edited January 2013

    AMP47......Life changing i have been taking Arimidex for 3years now, coping with aches, stiffness, i feel very low at times, wondering if this is side effect or i am depressed due to dx and life in general, did you feel low in yourself on this med xx

  • MENA1954
    MENA1954 Member Posts: 194
    edited January 2013

    Kaza, I have been taking Arimidex since Sept. 20 and besides all the common S/E, such as pains, aches, stiffness, hair thinning, insomnia, etc....the one that is really bothering me and being of much concern is how I feel both mentally and emotionally!

    Memory loss, mood swings get me so crazy.  I cry at the drop of a hat!  I feel so down, depressed. I don't want to see anyone, I rather be alone, and my anxiety level is sometimes at its max!

    Monday, I see my Oncologist and this issue is the first we are going to address.

    So you see you are not alone....Frown

    Mena

  • kaza
    kaza Member Posts: 284
    edited January 2013

    Thankyou Mena for your reply, i have all the symptoms you mention, as i am working full time i find not being able to remember things very difficult.

    I am going to mention this to my Oncologist as soon as possible, maybe change meds.

    Hope all goes well for you on Monday.

     kaza x  

  • firework1068
    firework1068 Member Posts: 160
    edited January 2013

    Hello all,

    My next appt with my Onco will be this month. I've now been on Arimidex for a year. Same SE as everyone else. Only thing the NP had suggested earlier was to try Femera. I asked if the make-up differed between the two AI and she said no.....so, has anyone felt better switching to a different med? BTW, I was post menopausal.



    Lorraine

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 2,264
    edited January 2013

    Eli, thanks for the note about page toppers. I won't feel stupid anymore !!



    About emotional side effects, I think lots of us are so intent on our treatment right after our diagnosis that we never properly deal with the facts then. We research, we discuss options, we interview docs, but we just do it on auto pilot. Then we get into our patterns. I really believe that PTSD affects many of us at a later time. Talking with our docs and maybe getting a little pharmaceutical assistance if necessary is an important part of tx too in my opinion. Hope those of you who are struggling give that a chance. I didn't have to personally, but I wouldn't have hesitated, I know that.



    Hugs all.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited January 2013

    walker2222,  I had twinges for a year, and that was just with lumpectomy, so to have them for a couple years out from Mx and recon. is probably also normal, but something that needs mentioning.  How was the visit with BS today?

    Welcome to both kaza and MENA1954!

    My RO was so happy that I had recovered enough to resume rads.  While I knew a week off should get me right again, he must have been more doubtful about me.  Ha!  I showed him.  :-)   I also did get my little tank of chemo tyranny strapped back on, but I believe it is yet a lower dosage than all previous.  Some is better than none to boost the effects of the rads, so I am happy enough to take the scaled down dosage.  My finish date is January 18.  I have a BIG circle on the calendar already.

  • Valjean
    Valjean Member Posts: 1,898
    edited January 2013

    Had my annual ob-gyn appt this past Monday. The Dr told me I could have my pelvic exam every two years now, but of course to be sure to continue to have the breast exam each year. (I will be 61 on the 19th)

    To the post-menopausal gals, what has your gyn told you? Each year? Every two years?

    E ~~ chugga, chugga, chugging along....You're almost done with this phase. You're doing it. Keeping good thoughts for a smooth ending. (in more ways than one! Wink )

  • AMP47
    AMP47 Member Posts: 200
    edited January 2013

    Kaza - to answer your question directly - Yes.  All the Aromatase Inhibitors have affected me emotionally.  I have been on all three Aromatase Inhibitors which depression and sadness were one of the side effects of  many side effects.  

    You might do better on another drug.  But, the only way to know is to try the drug.  Hope this helps.  AMP

  • carollynn79
    carollynn79 Member Posts: 654
    edited January 2013

    Have not posted in awhile, looks like lots of new faces.  My journey continues and I am scheduled for a breast biopsy today.  Been feeling a spot that did not feel normal and BS wants to be sure, thinks it is an irregular lymphnode but wants to make sure.  He reminded me that only 4% of radiated breasts come back positive for cancer but only 5% get radiation damage and breast infections and I get both so not so sure those odds are good for me!  I know we have to be commited to understanding our bodies and how changes feel, I also know that when I do feel diffrent sometimes it is challenging to convince our doctors.  My doctors acted very quickly on this and let me know I should have come in Novemeber when I first felt it but have had a frustrating 6 months and did not want to deal with one more thing.  Have a littel cough so hopefully will have the biopsy today but will see. 

    Eli sounds like you have had a rough 6 months too!  Hope all goes well, some of us are just blessed with more than one of the lovely cancers!! Glad all of you are here to listen even for us who don't post regularly!

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited January 2013

    Carollynn--next time you see your doc, remind him that statistics like 5% only apply to groups of people.  The only statistics that apply to an individual person are 0% and 100%.  You do or do not get cancer.  You do or do not get a side effect from treatment.  All other numbers are irreleivant to you, personally and he needs to remember that. 

    Ugg.  A pet peeve of mine.

  • carollynn79
    carollynn79 Member Posts: 654
    edited January 2013

    Native Maine, good point, since I already a 2 time cancer patient I tend to look at these numbers with skeptism.  Love Maxine!!

  • walker2222
    walker2222 Member Posts: 558
    edited January 2013

    Eli, appointment went great, I am now seeing the BS once a year.  I did ask her about the pains, well acctually it was an ache that radiated around the infected breast area not just a localized place.  Since I backed out of the recon in 2011 she said this is normal but to let them if it happens more often.  Because I had BMX with expanders for a while there could have been rubbing of the musle area.  So I am ok with it.  I will probably have a revision later in the year as I have excess skin that the PS did not remove at my last surgery. 

    I see my MO on Friday and will have my bone infusion for my bone density loss from 2011.  I had my annual bone scan done in Dec. so should know if it got better or worse.  I am on Femera and have been since Oct of 2010.  MY PTSD really did not hit me until last year with mood swings and such.  I have been thinking about taking a sabitical from work and what I am doing can be real stressfull "collections".  Then take some partime work through a temp agency.  Through it all I do not think I gave my "mind, body and soul" to heal completely.  I hate the new normal.

    Eli, be praying for you.

  • carollynn79
    carollynn79 Member Posts: 654
    edited January 2013

    Walker 2222, have to agree about hating new normal, I say the only thing consistent is change!  Appreciate the good days and learning to deal with the low days much better.   

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited January 2013

    walker2222, Unfortunately "new normal" often contains strange new aches and pains and all we can do is get them checked out, because the old "wait and see" normal is a thing of the past for us now.  Glad your aches don't indicate a new problem.  Bad enough it's something persisting from the old problem.  Forgot to say that when you took a break from posting, I just figured you were busy with all the Fall band hoopla. 

    Val, Seems like the newer guidelines are telling women that if they have had a certain number of normal paps (like 3?) on a yearly basis, that it is now suggested to go every two (or is it three) years.  I am supposed to have my appt this month BUT with so much else going on, I think I will push my annual appt. out to 18 mos. and take care of it in summer.  Also, going to ask about the two year program but, in my case, I may need closer monitoring for life.  Not only because I am a cancer two-timer now, but with all the rads to the pelvis, you just know I'm mutating something in there.  Remind me again when it is time to celebrate your move into the "ish" years.

    carollynn79, I had been thinking about you recently (Val's being from MI brought you to mind) and I am sorry you have a biopsy looming over you again.  I feel like it will check out o.k., like maybe just rads related changes or something.  I had a lymph node scare too.  In the midst of getting scanned to the hilt over my latest cancer, an enlarged node was noted on my treatment side of the chest (but outside my field of rads) and I was worried that it was a speck of B/C that didn't get killed off by the rads.  Well, when they got around to doing the PET on me, it had absolutely NO uptake, so false alarm. 

    NativeM, That is the way I think of it too...recurrence as an all or nothing deal.

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