What's 'normal' for follow up?
Hi all. Don't think I've ever posted on this thread but here it goes. Dx a year ago, bmx and exchange complete. All looks good and has been going well. A year ago when I had my bmx my bs said there was no reason to think I wasn't 'cured'. I had a lot of DCIS and less than 1cm of IDC. I met with an oncologist and she pretty much felt the same. She didn't think Tamoxifen was necessary, weakly ER+, I think 34% and felt the side effects far outweighed the small benefit I may get. I agree.
I suppose my issue is that I feel like I'm just flapping in the wind with no way to keep on top of things. I don't want the beast to sneak up on me down the road. I have an appointment with my bs in January and plan to being up my concerns. I even brought them up with my pcp today at my yearly physical. She even though it a little odd that I don't have any real follow up.
I don't want to go fishing for issues, but I don't want surprises later on either. I've been having some back and shoulder pain for the last few weeks that are probably exercise related but can't help but wonder...What is normal for follow up? Is an appointment with my bs once a year good enough? Should I be asking for more and what?
Sorry this is so long. I'm trying to move on and have been. The one year mark has just brought it all back to the forefront of my thinking. I'll get over it. It's been a heck of a year.
Take care.
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My impression is that the standard is simply mammography for local recurrence (that's all they've suggested for me). I insisted on ultrasound too, because my original cancer was missed with mammography. I also asked for CA27-29 levels (cancer marker) even though the oncologists don't recommend it (mine was low so if it increases, I'll know somethings going on). If it stays low, I don't mind a sense of security, even if it is a 'false' sense of security. I have the same 'flapping in the wind' feeling and I'm a bit annoyed that my 6 month follow-up is 6 months from my last rad treatment--I'm jealous of folks who are getting their 6 months follow-up at 6 months from diagnosis. I also have posterior rib pain (and elbow pain). I'm tempted to 'demand' a bone scan, but I think the reason they don't want to find mets (even if that's what it is) is because they don't have good treatment and since treatment is basically considered palliative, there is no point in finding out sooner rather than later. What was your follow-up?
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Haven't had any follow up really. Met with an onc in Jan with no follow up scheduled with her. Only 'follow up' has been with my ps and I'll see my bs in Jan. That's it. I'll see them once a year for the next 5 years but that's all. No mammo, no boobs, well implants... I'm going to ask about MRI and see what she says.
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Chrissilini, I had similar dignosis, but had chemo. I see my Oncologist every six months for now. I would push to have some sort of intervals of conversation with your oncologist to talk about any new treatment protocol, etc, that perhaps should be considered. We're still discussing Zometa, now Tamox is up to 10 years, we've talked about Metformin, but I didn't qualify for the study. I have mixed feelings about these meetings, but it's my time to get questions answered. Onc says after five years he'll release me to PCP only.
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The only follow-up for me is a yearly mammogram. Since my cardio does blood tests twice a year I don't really need another doctor - the cardio would pick up on anything suspicious in the blood work. The way I look at it, the less doctor visits the better--
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I was seen by the onc and bs every 6 months for 5 years, then it went to once a year. The onc did the ca27-29 each time, even though its not standard. Thanks to the test I was dx with spinal mets almost 8 years out. I had no symptoms and still don't. If he wouldn't have done that test and simply waited for symptoms like he was supposed to, I probably would have needed rads and or surgey to my spine. They say it doesn't prolong life to do tests but I doubt if that's the case. If I waited for syptoms I also may have had it in the liver or lungs. Sorry to post in a different stage thread. I saw the subject and I just think its really important to have some kind of follow up. I did have ins reject the test but only once in all those years and they did pay after I appealed and the onc wrote a letter.
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My MO said they won't be doing scans, etc for follow up. He said we will let how I'm feeling guide us. Well...I have chronic fatigue daily from multiple sclerosis. I never feel that great.
Am I understanding correctly that there's no point because if it comes back, it will be stage IV and nothing can improve the outcome!??? Ugh. That doesn't sound good. Kinda like, "What's the point?" -
Huh. Good point you made Rebecca. I hadn't really thought of it that way. I suppose if we were to have a recurrence, it would have to be mets to somewhere.
I was just interested to know if and what others with stage I were having for follow up. Kind of seems all over the place and dependent on individual situations which I would expect. -
Beckers that's kind of what it sounds like to me. I don't agree and my onc doesn't agree either and that's why he does the tm. He said that used to be the case but now there's so much that can be done. At my first mets appt I said "what if I hadn't been getting those tests? Who knows how long it would be til I had pain?!" And he said "exactly!" I was stage 2 so I don't know if he does it for stage 1 or not, or maybe he did it because I didn't take tamox, I don't know.
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I went to see my BS and I asked her " So, what happens now?"
She said " You are going to be seeing me every 6 months for the rest of your life.
You MUST do a monthly self examination to make sure you don't feel any pea like lump under the skin
You don't need Mammograms or Ultra Sounds
As far as the Oncologist is concerned the first time I met with her she told me that I will be seeing her every three months. My second appointment is on December 26 and I will get more details.
Mena
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How different they all are! My BS said he would not need to see me again, unless I found another lump - the onc wanted to see me every 6 months to monitor the Aromasin.
The first time, in 1982, the BS saw me once a year for 5 years only. I also had a blood test for 5 years, then no more follow up. There were no hormonals at that time though.
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HLB, how often did you get the tumor markers checked? There is a young gal in a group that was stage 1. Her MO did PET scan and found liver mets. I can't remember why they decided to do that. Her labs were normal and I don't think she had any symptoms.
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HLB, What are they going to do for your asymptomatic met? My onc implied that she wouldn't suggest chemo or radiation unless she thought it would help control pain or some other symptom. I'm already on tamoxifen (probably for the rest of my life once the research comes out!). My rib pain is quite tolerable so I can't make up my mind whether I want to find out sooner rather than later if it really is a met. I will get the tumor markers since I don't have to argue with my onc about that, but she's always trying to talk me out of anything more. I can see her point because I have a lot of miscellaeous pain from running/old age and if that "lights up", I will probably try to insist on a biopsy--so maybe better off not knowing??
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I met with one onc after my lumpectomy and again (at my request) after mastectomy. I saw a nurse practitioner at 4 mos. When I called to schedule again, she had moved to another hospital in the same system. So I'm scheduled with a 3rd person in Jan. If all she does is a breast exam, I'm going to just see my PCP if she's ok with that. I'm scheduled for a mammo in Feb (a year after MRI presurgery). I figure I'm just playing the odds since neither tumor could be felt and the larger, more aggressive one didn't show on the mammo.
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Remember, there's always a point to warrioring through the process. This is an early stage thread and our mets sisters know that one does keep living with BC at any stage. Open communication with our docs and asking for what we need is always right. We're blessed to have an uncertain path. I'll take that any day over mets. If I could live months and years with mets without symptoms, it might be worth the real living in my book. Every day without cancer is a great day. I spent my summer having a series of scans and docs who believed they'd find more cancer. In the end it was my gallbladder. Blessings to all.
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MENA1954 Wow -- that seems like a lot of follow-up for Stage 1. I am Stage 2A and all I do is see the onc every six months for an exam and blood work. I will also see the BS, at my request, once more but after that I think it will be just the onc. I am curious, what does the onc do at the every 3 months appointment? And what does the BS do every six months -- examine the reconstruction, look for signs of recurrence? There seems to be a great deal of variation in the follow-up protocols for early stage BC. Does anyone know what the "standard of care" might be? I had a double MX, radiation and am on Amorsin.
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All my onc did at the visits was run his hand over my breast - I'm not kidding - it was so perfunctory he would have missed any lump smaller than a golf ball! Then he wrote up an order for blood work (done elsewhere) and that was it!
So I quit going to him and have my bloodwork done by my cardiologist.
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I think the trend these days is for as little follow-up as possible and it's taken me a while to buy into this idea, but I think I'm finally 'drinking the kool aid'. My radiation therapist said that it's extremely rare to get a recurrence in the radiated breast and since I now know that no-one will be better at finding a new lump than me, I have accepted the sole responsibility for finding it (if it happens). Besides, I probably have a higher risk (of a new tumor) in the opposite breast anyway! Personally, I don't see the point of the mammogram or even ultrasound since I found my own lump in spite of the mammogram and the ultrasound just confirmed where to take the biopsy. As for mets, I'm not gonna argue with my oncologist anymore about a bone scan unless my pain becomes intolerable. Seems funny that they still want to "follow" us every 6 months (to a year) when they aren't willing to do any real testing (ie for mets). Maybe I'll just have blood drawn for CA27-29 and not bother with the mammogram/ultrasound/clinic visits. Can you tell how cynical I have become?
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Chrissilini - I am one year out from my BMX, and four months out from Exchange. My dx is similar to yours - DCIS, with two micro-invasions of IDC (1.5mm and .5mm).
I never saw the BS again after my one-week Post-Op appointment.
After Exchange, I saw the PS regularly because he did so much pocket work. Now my next appointment isn't for three months.
I didn't meet my MO until after BMX. Since all margins were clear, and there was no lymph node involvement, I didn't need rads or chemo, but because I was 100% ER+, she did want me on Anastrozole (generic Arimidex).
I saw her every three months after surgery, and each time, she ordered bloodwork and did an extensive manual exam.
I started the Anastrozole in September, and she monitors that closely. Since my BMX, I have lost weight, all my lab tests are normal, and I've had only minimal SEs on the AI.
At my last appointment, she said I was doing so well, she was "cutting me loose" for six months, but in the meantime, if I had any concerns at all, she was just a phone call or an email away.
With the surgery, weight loss, and AI, my risk of recurrence (distant or local) is less than 1%.
I did ask what I was supposed to do next. I told her I had no plans for any recurrence, but was there some protocol I was supposed to follow? Tests I was supposed to have?
She said no. She told me to stay healthy just like I was doing, do self-exams regularly to see if there were any changes in the way my implants felt under the skin, and to not focus on the "what-if's".
According to the latest studies (she's a dedicated researcher), putting low-risk women through frequent, regular, or numerous diagnostic tests just as future screening tools could possibly put them at greater risk for recurrence (from radiation, etc.).
However, her policy is better to be safe than sorry, and that I should feel free to contact her for an appointment should I have a concern.
I guess it is a bit different with me; the Anastrozole is a sort of tether that keeps me connected to the MO at least for the next five years!
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I know what you mean--both my lumps were missed - even though I had had 30 years of annual mammograms - the Breast Center wasn't even that surprised. They told me only 85 percent are accurate--
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Blessings... Thank you. What you've said really puts it all in perspective. I'm doing all I can as well. Have lost 35 pounds and try to eat healthier. When I met with the MO, she said doing that alone is will reduce risk. I guess it's just time for me to move on, get over it and stop thinking about it so darn much.
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I know this doesn't answer your question but just wanted you to know that when I reach the stage in recovery that you are I would have the same anxieties. During the times of highest anxiety short term use of Ativan could be useful. Your MO or surgeon might be willing to prescribe. If not a good psychiatrist could help.
I also wanted to know if your insurance balked at paying for the bi-lat mastectomy given your stage and no cancer detected in lymph nodes. How were they convinced to pay. Did you have the BRCA gene?
I want a bilateral in part because I have had an extremely difficult time controlling side effects in chemo and because my subtype of BC (tn) has a higher rate of recurrence in the first three years than other types.
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Peggy...my insurance company didn't give me too much problem. When I went for pre op visit with my plastic surgeon the office manager told me they got a letter saying they needed more information. Not sure if it was for the reconstruction only or the whole thing. I'm thinking it was just the recon. No problems after that, they paid for everything. Well, except my nip tatts from Vinnie Myers. Because he's not a doctor on their list of approved providers they won't pay.
I didn't know know about lymph involvement until after surgery. My breast surgeon did a sentinel node biopsy at the time of my bmx. I did have an MRI prior to surgery that didn't show any cancer in the opposite side but a lot of 'activity' so that may have tipped the scales. I'm not BRCA+.
I really can't understand why your insurance wouldn't pay for a bmx, especially with your history. Have they already said they would deny it? I'd keep on them. Perhaps your docs can push for it.
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It has been a year since first diagonised. I go for my 1 year mamo in a couple of weeks. Dr. said 6 months after radiation as the Doctors will not be able to read the xray if sooner due to the radiation. Just been graduated to ever 6 months with BS. Still going every 3 months to Cancer Dr. Checks my tumor markers and liver. I have no tests for Pet scans,MRI, etc. I had a bone scan 1 year ago. Just blood work. Guess thats it.
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Seems everyone is a little different but if you have breast cancer (I don't care how small or low grade) there is follow up care. You had IDC… that's invasive and should be watched.
Here is a link on the American Cancer Society that talks about follow up care for breast cancer: linky
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Chrissilini, I too am stage 1, grade 1, and do have follow up with the oncologist . At first it was every 2 months, then every 3 months, working up to the 6 month schedule that I'm on now at 3 years out. When it's time for my appointment I have blood work done the week before I see the oncologist so he has the results in hand. He does check tumor markers as part of the blood work and does a physical exam from the waist up. He ask if I'm having any issues we chat a bit and then I'm on my way, until the next appointment in 6 months. My onco follows NCCN protocol, which my Blue Cross nurse case manager said is very important. To be honest, I do get very nervous around the time of my appointment, being very afraid of what I might be told ( we were all in great shape before one day they told us different ), but I do feel better after the appointment is over knowing that it hasn't came back.
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I'm due for my annual mammogram next week, but have to cancel to a broken arm (can't lift arm). I am not that worried. As I mentioned earlier, 30 years of mammograms missed both my cancers, so I don't really trust them. Monthly self-exams is more important in my case.
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Chrissilini, I also have 6 month follow ups after 2 years. Every 3 months the first year. As you can see I'm also stage 1 with a very small tumor. My Onc. does tumor markers at the visit and also does a physical exam. I also have diagnostic mammograms every 6 months.
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Thanks for the input ladies. I have an appointment Friday with my breast surgeon for my one year follow up. I plan to bring my concerns up with her and see what happens. Maybe when I tell her about the back pain I've had for 2 months and the shoulder pain she'll think a visit with the MO would be wise.
Even my pcp when I had my yearly physical a month ago thought it odd that I don't have any follow up. Again, I don't want to fish for problems. But I don't want to be surprised and want to know I'm ok. -
I have folowups every 3 months which is protocol for my triple negative, although I am stage 1 grade 3
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I'm almost 5 years out from dx, and I have an annual mammo and a bi-annual (every 2nd year) MRI (because some of my bc did not show up on mammo or u/s).
My onc does a CA27-29 every time I see him, which just got moved to annually after starting out every 3 mos, then every 6 mos for the past 4 years.
I know in the beginning, we all want routine PetScans or other tests to watch for any possible mets, but the fact is, that much radiation can actually contribute to future cancer risk, so really isn't advisable without symptoms, such as unexplained pain that doesn't go away in two or three weeks.
And the further you move away from your dx -- the more years you are cancer-free -- the more comfortable you'll get and the less you'll feel the need for constant monitoring. Deanna
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